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Subject: [pm-h] Fw: UG News: Get Your Free Books + More from O'Reilly
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From todd at rinaldo.us  Tue Mar  4 06:36:55 2014
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 08:36:55 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [New post] Why I finally joined Gittip and why you
	should, too
In-Reply-To: <7517797.2325.0@wordpress.com>
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If you don't already follow David Golden, you should. He's a prolific CPAN
author and often a very insightful writer. For instance, I'm still trying
to parse this phrase:

"Open source is a community. Or possibly, it's like an iterated
prisoners-dilemma game."

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: dagolden <donotreply at wordpress.com>
Date: Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 9:09 PM
Subject: [New post] Why I finally joined Gittip and why you should, too
To: toddr at cpan.org


   dagolden posted: "I was a Gittip skeptic. Heck, I still am. But I signed
up anyway and I'll tell you why. But first, I want to talk about money and
altruism. Most people contribute to open source for free. They don't do it
for money. They do it for fun or self-satis"
      New post on *dagolden*         <http://www.dagolden.com/?author=2>  Why
I finally joined Gittip and why you should,
too<http://www.dagolden.com/index.php/2325/why-i-finally-joined-gittip-and-why-you-should-too/>
by
dagolden <http://www.dagolden.com/?author=2>

I was a Gittip <http://www.gittip.com/> skeptic.

Heck, I still am. But I signed up anyway <https://www.gittip.com/xdg/> and
I'll tell you why.

But first, I want to talk about money and altruism. Most people contribute
to open source for free. They don't do it for money. They do it for fun or
self-satisfaction.

The danger of offering money to a volunteer is that they might revalue
their contributions in light of the money. Put differently, it's possibly
that getting a *little bit* of money might be more demotivating than none.

Consider shareware as a related example. You bust your ass writing some
software and then typically find (a) few people download it and (b) even
fewer bother to pay.

Now think about that from the open source "tip jar" perspective. For one,
lots of work doesn't even have a download count. And given that it is
typically "free" (in both the "speech" and "beer" sense), I would expect
New York City Subway "Showtime"
Panhandlers<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKgD1-6O1m8>to get more in
tips than the typical open source developer.

The fallacy in that argument is that shareware ? and subway panhandling ?
is transactional. It's cash (or not) for a product or performance.


*Open source is a community. *
Or possibly, it's like an iterated prisoners-dilemma game.

In a community, like in an iterated game, you participate over time and
your self-reward can be reinforced or diminished a little bit in every
interaction.

If you're totally self-motivated and only the challenge of the code matters
to you, then community isn't a big deal. But if you're like most of us,
positive feedback from the community, whether karma points, or "+1" clicks
or thanks, or tips, all contribute to the feeling of self-reward.

For me, someone recognizing my efforts is a huge boost. Even a bug report
tells me that someone used my code and it helped them enough that they'd
try to make it better. That motivates me to fix more bugs and write more
code.

Recently, Ribasushi
argued<http://blogs.perl.org/users/peter_rabbitson/2014/02/i-bought-a-weekly-round-for-my-friends.html>that
Gittip makes *consistent
reward easy* and that even *chump change adds up over time*. Ovid
argued<http://blogs.perl.org/users/ovid/2014/02/please-join-gittip.html>that
just *raising
Perl's visibility* on Gittip benefits the community.

To some extent I agree and to some extent I think both are missing the
larger point. It's not about the money and it's not about the marketing.

In a community, *everyone* should be looking for ways to reinforce
behaviors that improve the community. Thus, *every extra way to say thanks
is worth pursuing*.

Thank with email? Patches? Gittip? Flatter? Awards? Karma points?

Yes!


*Whatever methods you find motivating to thank others are the ones you
should use. *

   - If you have more free time than mad money, find ways to produce things
   the community needs. Write code, write articles, give talks, answer
   questions on Q&A sites and so on
   - If you have more mad money than free time, find ways to support those
   producing. Donate to TPF <https://secure.donor.com/pf012/give> or
EPO<http://www.enlightenedperl.org/donations.html>.
   Or, if you want to make your support personal, donate via Gittip or
   something similar

Either way, *try to make sure your efforts are also reinforcing those
around you*. Sending bug reports and patches or even just a thank-you email
benefit the recipient much more than you might think and might even do more
good for the community than your own next bit of code or authorship.
Sending a gittip or saying "+1" to a grant proposal are ways to give thanks
with currency.


*Thanks comes in many forms. The more we have in any form, the better off
we all are. *
Maybe Gittip is a flash in the pan. But maybe not. If that kind of
personal, consistent thank you appeals to you ? whether as a donor or as a
recipient ? don't think about it, just do it. More is better.

Join Gittip here <http://www.gittip.com/>. Join the Perl community
here<https://www.gittip.com/for/perl/>.
Find your favorite CPAN authors on CPAN Tip <http://neilb.org/cpan-tip/>.
And if you want to gittip me, here I am <https://www.gittip.com/xdg/>.

Or just shoot me an email sometime. ?
  *dagolden <http://www.dagolden.com/?author=2>* | March 3, 2014 at 10:09
pm | URL: http://wp.me/pvxIN-Bv

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From rurban at x-ray.at  Tue Mar  4 12:49:14 2014
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 14:49:14 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [New post] Why I finally joined Gittip and why you
 should, too
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGHMKNygfzPE629+fYP9cY69JoGUDbXrVrTKg2aSipcWTQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:

> iterated prisoners-dilemma game


This pretty easy to parse.

Lookup wikipedia for it as it's the most fundamental economic and political
playground for right vs left-wingers, and mathematicians in between.

The original old tit-for-tat theory by Rapaport / Axelrod pleased the
neo-liberal right-wingers, while new studies and improved game setups
promise relief in the importance of positive social interaction and
"altruism".

-- 
Reini Urban
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From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  4 13:44:58 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 13:44:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [New post] Why I finally joined Gittip and why you
	should, too
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Reini, I love you but I have no idea what any of this means except for the suggestion to use Wikipedia.?

I think what David's after vis a vis open source community and the prisoner's dilemma is why people in a community may or may not cooperate even if its in their best interest to do so.

Mark



On Tuesday, March 4, 2014 2:49 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:
 
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:

iterated prisoners-dilemma game
This pretty easy to parse.

Lookup wikipedia for it as it's the most fundamental economic and political playground for right vs left-wingers, and mathematicians in between.

The original old tit-for-tat theory by Rapaport / Axelrod pleased the neo-liberal right-wingers, while new studies and improved game setups promise relief in the importance of positive social interaction and "altruism".

--?

Reini Urban
http://cpanel.net/ ? http://www.perl-compiler.org/

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From rurban at x-ray.at  Tue Mar  4 14:39:58 2014
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2014 16:39:58 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [New post] Why I finally joined Gittip and why you
 should, too
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On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 3:44 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Reini, I love you but I have no idea what any of this means except for the
> suggestion to use Wikipedia.
>
> I think what David's after vis a vis open source community and the
> prisoner's dilemma is why people in a community may or may not cooperate
> even if its in their best interest to do so.

I tried to explain the layman version a bit.

Well, the problem is that the iterated prisoners dilemma "proved" that
cooperation does not pay.
That was a pretty strong lemma and won several economic nobel prices,
not to speak about world-political influences, Reagan, Thatcher, Bush,
... you get the idea.

So any reference to the iterated prisoners dilemma is pessimistic.
"If you have a bad day the best thing to do is to hit on you."
"We block trolls" (poisoned communities) vs "We hug trolls" (Audrey Tang).

For later studies:
Latest improvements in game theory showed that entities which do
communicate in the neighborhood are not in this non-cooperative
neo-liberal tit-for-tat lockdown anymore. But the nobel prices for
this recent development are still outstanding. Two Austrians and one
US researcher are involved.
The name of "austrian economics" has also to be cleared from the
mishaps in the last century.

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Mar  5 15:27:27 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2014 17:27:27 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Talk change for next week.
Message-ID: <20140305172727.375ea7f1@cygnus>

Due to circumstances beyond our control, Brett will not be available
for his talk next Thursday.

This means we need someone (or more) to step in at the last minute.

Todd still has a short talk scheduled.

1. Does anyone else have a short talk they would be willing to give on a
   weeks notice?

2. Does anyone have a short topic they would like to hear about? Maybe
   someone would have the time to work something up.

3. We could always do lightning talks if a few people are willing to
   commit to 5 minutes each.

4. Any other ideas?

G. Wade
-- 
When in doubt, use brute force                      -- Ken Thompson

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Mar  7 07:48:13 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:48:13 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] brian d foy interview on Mastering Perl
Message-ID: <20140307094813.6671b4b6@cygnus>

http://perltricks.com/article/75/2014/3/6/Perl-master-an-interview-with-brian-d-foy

Also talks some about writing about programming.

G. Wade
-- 
The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience,
and Hubris.                                               -- Larry Wall

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Mar  7 07:51:02 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:51:02 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
Message-ID: <20140307095102.6d586019@cygnus>

brian d foy is working on a new book. He has set up a website for
discussing the topic and getting input from the world.

http://www.windowsperl.com/

Since we have a few people who ask about these topics, I thought it
might be helpful.

G. Wade
-- 
Java is a DSL for taking large XML files and converting them to stack
traces                                        -- Bulat Shakirzyanov

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Mar  7 07:53:15 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 09:53:15 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
Message-ID: <20140307095315.45cff703@cygnus>

I've only had one response regarding the change to nest week's topic.
Todd suggested that we move the meeting to Wednesday, so that we could
stream the DFW.pm meeting on Perl and Databases.

Is there any interest in this?

Does anyone have any other ideas?

G. Wade
-- 
It's easier to port a shell than a shell script.      -- Larry Wall

From flbaker at sbcglobal.net  Fri Mar  7 08:08:39 2014
From: flbaker at sbcglobal.net (Fraser Baker)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:08:39 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
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I can't make a second Wednesday meeting. 

Fraser

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:53 AM
Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting


> I've only had one response regarding the change to nest week's topic.
> Todd suggested that we move the meeting to Wednesday, so that we could
> stream the DFW.pm meeting on Perl and Databases.
> 
> Is there any interest in this?
> 
> Does anyone have any other ideas?
> 
> G. Wade
> -- 
> It's easier to port a shell than a shell script.      -- Larry Wall
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

From cblanc at dionysius.com  Fri Mar  7 08:40:50 2014
From: cblanc at dionysius.com (Chris Blanc)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:40:50 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
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References: <20140307095102.6d586019@cygnus>
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This is awesome. I don't care if Perl isn't the trendy web language,
because as far as I can tell all of the trendy web stuff is worthless
anyway, but I think it's a great language for gluing together an
operating system. I enjoy Windows but tend to use it through a mixture
of the CLI and Perl, simply because GUIs are inherently inefficient
for many (but not every) task. I would suggest a focus on how to
integrate Perl with the Windows interface, e.g. adding to right-click
menus, drag-n-drop, automated changes to Windows config/registry and
making common scripts easily available. There's also a lot of
web-based stuff that Perl is useful for, such as removing 80-column
line breaks in Windows txt files and converting Linux or Macintosh
(ewwww) text files to Windows format.

On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> brian d foy is working on a new book. He has set up a website for
> discussing the topic and getting input from the world.
>
> http://www.windowsperl.com/
>
> Since we have a few people who ask about these topics, I thought it
> might be helpful.
>
> G. Wade
> --
> Java is a DSL for taking large XML files and converting them to stack
> traces                                        -- Bulat Shakirzyanov
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/



-- 
http://www.dionysius.com/

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Mar  7 09:25:06 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 11:25:06 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
In-Reply-To: <CALMN4YqVQ+puqXWLvd-s9vhctUPRD1ph_zsm41NPjd5oPO52Gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140307095102.6d586019@cygnus>
	<CALMN4YqVQ+puqXWLvd-s9vhctUPRD1ph_zsm41NPjd5oPO52Gg@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:40:50 -0600
Chris Blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com> wrote:

> This is awesome. I don't care if Perl isn't the trendy web language,
> because as far as I can tell all of the trendy web stuff is worthless
> anyway, but I think it's a great language for gluing together an
> operating system. I enjoy Windows but tend to use it through a mixture
> of the CLI and Perl, simply because GUIs are inherently inefficient
> for many (but not every) task. I would suggest a focus on how to
> integrate Perl with the Windows interface, e.g. adding to right-click
> menus, drag-n-drop, automated changes to Windows config/registry and
> making common scripts easily available. There's also a lot of
> web-based stuff that Perl is useful for, such as removing 80-column
> line breaks in Windows txt files and converting Linux or Macintosh
> (ewwww) text files to Windows format.

Hey Chris,

I understand where you're coming from, although I haven't had to work
in Windows in quite a few years.

You might want to check out the site to see if you can send any of
these suggestions to brian. It might be worthwhile to see if there's
something he could use.

G. Wade

> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> wrote:
> > brian d foy is working on a new book. He has set up a website for
> > discussing the topic and getting input from the world.
> >
> > http://www.windowsperl.com/
> >
> > Since we have a few people who ask about these topics, I thought it
> > might be helpful.
> >
> > G. Wade
> > --
> > Java is a DSL for taking large XML files and converting them to
> > stack traces                                        -- Bulat
> > Shakirzyanov _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> 
> 
> 


-- 
You know something is important when you're willing to let someone else
take the credit if that's what it takes to get it done.
                                                       -- Seth Godin

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Mar  7 09:26:26 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 11:26:26 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
In-Reply-To: <EB6A1E7055C14A658744179947FF4B84@CHEETAH>
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	<EB6A1E7055C14A658744179947FF4B84@CHEETAH>
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:08:39 -0600
"Fraser Baker" <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I can't make a second Wednesday meeting. 

Thanks, Fraser. That's part of what I want to get from the list.

I'm still unsure if I can make it.

Anyone else with input?

G. Wade

> Fraser
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:53 AM
> Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
> 
> 
> > I've only had one response regarding the change to nest week's
> > topic. Todd suggested that we move the meeting to Wednesday, so
> > that we could stream the DFW.pm meeting on Perl and Databases.
> > 
> > Is there any interest in this?
> > 
> > Does anyone have any other ideas?
> > 
> > G. Wade
> > -- 
> > It's easier to port a shell than a shell script.      -- Larry Wall
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


-- 
Oh really? There's debate about open source hardware? I'm going to keep
shipping open source hardware while you all argue about it.
                                                          -- Ladyada

From trac_t at swbell.net  Fri Mar  7 10:29:53 2014
From: trac_t at swbell.net (Trac Taylor)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:29:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
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I was actually going to try to make my first meeting...but if its on Wednesday I will definitely miss it. ?Me making the meeting seems to be dependent on what is going on at work if I make it. ?

So if you do it on Wednesday, I will try to make it next month. ?

Trac Taylor

________________________________
 From: G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
To: houston at pm.org 
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2014 11:26 AM
Subject: Re: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
 

On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:08:39 -0600
"Fraser Baker" <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> I can't make a second Wednesday meeting. 

Thanks, Fraser. That's part of what I want to get from the list.

I'm still unsure if I can make it.

Anyone else with input?

G. Wade

> Fraser
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
> Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:53 AM
> Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
> 
> 
> > I've only had one response regarding the change to nest week's
> > topic. Todd suggested that we move the meeting to Wednesday, so
> > that we could stream the DFW.pm meeting on Perl and Databases.
> > 
> > Is there any interest in this?
> > 
> > Does anyone have any other ideas?
> > 
> > G. Wade
> > -- 
> > It's easier to port a shell than a shell script.? ? ? -- Larry Wall
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


-- 
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shipping open source hardware while you all argue about it.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Ladyada
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From rurban at x-ray.at  Fri Mar  7 12:21:08 2014
From: rurban at x-ray.at (Reini Urban)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:21:08 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
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On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Chris Blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com> wrote:
> This is awesome. I don't care if Perl isn't the trendy web language,
> because as far as I can tell all of the trendy web stuff is worthless
> anyway, but I think it's a great language for gluing together an
> operating system. I enjoy Windows but tend to use it through a mixture
> of the CLI and Perl, simply because GUIs are inherently inefficient
> for many (but not every) task. I would suggest a focus on how to
> integrate Perl with the Windows interface, e.g. adding to right-click
> menus, drag-n-drop, automated changes to Windows config/registry and
> making common scripts easily available. There's also a lot of
> web-based stuff that Perl is useful for, such as removing 80-column
> line breaks in Windows txt files and converting Linux or Macintosh
> (ewwww) text files to Windows format.

I developed commercially for windows perl for a few years, so you can
ask me in the meetings.

You need basically libwin, Win32::GUI, Par::Dist and a nice installer.
I used mainly the NSIS installer http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
With Win32::GUI you can develop much nicer native windows apps
than with any other language: python, php, tcl, vbasic, tcl, java,
lisp, lua, ruby, ...

Both activeperl and strawberry are fine.

For true compilations via perlcc instead of Par you need a patched or
a recent perl. This is only for hardcore devs.

From estrabd at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 12:45:59 2014
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:45:59 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
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Yikes! Sorry I have caused the meeting to unravel.  I would make it if I
could, it's just my after work schedule got pulled out from under me for
this month.  I wonder if there is no one else that can step up? Chances are
everyone on this list has something interesting to talk about it, even if
you don't think you do. I can commit to giving the talk the next time it is
a cPanel (since it's so close to where I work ;).

Brett


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Trac Taylor <trac_t at swbell.net> wrote:

>
> I was actually going to try to make my first meeting...but if its on
> Wednesday I will definitely miss it.  Me making the meeting seems to be
> dependent on what is going on at work if I make it.
>
> So if you do it on Wednesday, I will try to make it next month.
>
> Trac Taylor
>   ------------------------------
>  *From:* G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> *To:* houston at pm.org
> *Sent:* Friday, March 7, 2014 11:26 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
>
> On Fri, 7 Mar 2014 10:08:39 -0600
> "Fraser Baker" <flbaker at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> > I can't make a second Wednesday meeting.
>
> Thanks, Fraser. That's part of what I want to get from the list.
>
> I'm still unsure if I can make it.
>
> Anyone else with input?
>
> G. Wade
>
> > Fraser
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> > To: "Houston Perl Mongers" <houston at pm.org>
> > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2014 9:53 AM
> > Subject: [pm-h] Next Thursday's meeting
> >
> >
> > > I've only had one response regarding the change to nest week's
> > > topic. Todd suggested that we move the meeting to Wednesday, so
> > > that we could stream the DFW.pm <http://dfw.pm/> meeting on Perl and
> Databases.
> > >
> > > Is there any interest in this?
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any other ideas?
> > >
> > > G. Wade
> > > --
> > > It's easier to port a shell than a shell script.      -- Larry Wall
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Houston mailing list
> > > Houston at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
> --
> Oh really? There's debate about open source hardware? I'm going to keep
> shipping open source hardware while you all argue about it.
>                                                           -- Ladyada
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Fri Mar  7 12:51:34 2014
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2014 14:51:34 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
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And it makes perfect sense to target so many users. I have had friends who
are lawyers and traders ask me how hard it'd be to do
<insert-simple-thing-with-Perl> to say, a Word doc (s/// over many docs) or
Excel spreadsheet (querying, etc). My response is, geez....if you knew Perl
it'd be a breeze.  I think that if this sort of knowledge was more
accessible, then a larger group of people would start to do things on
Windows with Perl.  My lawyer friend was a computer whiz back in high
school - he was never more than 5 ft away from his giant DOS book.

Brett


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Chris Blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com> wrote:

> This is awesome. I don't care if Perl isn't the trendy web language,
> because as far as I can tell all of the trendy web stuff is worthless
> anyway, but I think it's a great language for gluing together an
> operating system. I enjoy Windows but tend to use it through a mixture
> of the CLI and Perl, simply because GUIs are inherently inefficient
> for many (but not every) task. I would suggest a focus on how to
> integrate Perl with the Windows interface, e.g. adding to right-click
> menus, drag-n-drop, automated changes to Windows config/registry and
> making common scripts easily available. There's also a lot of
> web-based stuff that Perl is useful for, such as removing 80-column
> line breaks in Windows txt files and converting Linux or Macintosh
> (ewwww) text files to Windows format.
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> wrote:
> > brian d foy is working on a new book. He has set up a website for
> > discussing the topic and getting input from the world.
> >
> > http://www.windowsperl.com/
> >
> > Since we have a few people who ask about these topics, I thought it
> > might be helpful.
> >
> > G. Wade
> > --
> > Java is a DSL for taking large XML files and converting them to stack
> > traces                                        -- Bulat Shakirzyanov
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.dionysius.com/
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From jellyson at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 00:17:41 2014
From: jellyson at gmail.com (John Ellyson)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 02:17:41 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
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Since someone is suggesting Win32::GUI, I'd recommend using TGL (The GUI
Loft) as a good companion tool for Win32::GUI.

However, there are two major drawbacks to TGL.  First, it is "outdated" and
doesn't 100% match with the current versions of Win32::GUI.  Second, I'm
not sure if the code generation functionality actually works.

What I usually do is to use the TGL as a way to quickly prototype the GUI
interface, which lets me very quickly figure out the location and sizes of
the GUI elements.  In my opinion, that's much faster and easier than to
trying to code, test, modify code, test, etc.

I guess another major drawback is actually finding TGL.  Since the original
sites seems to be down, it looks like you need to use the internet time
machine (aka The Wayback Machine - http://archive.org/web/) to get a copy.

http://web.archive.org/web/20111130150941/http://www.darserman.com/Perl/Loft/

John Ellyson


On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:21 PM, Reini Urban <rurban at x-ray.at> wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Chris Blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com> wrote:
> > This is awesome. I don't care if Perl isn't the trendy web language,
> > because as far as I can tell all of the trendy web stuff is worthless
> > anyway, but I think it's a great language for gluing together an
> > operating system. I enjoy Windows but tend to use it through a mixture
> > of the CLI and Perl, simply because GUIs are inherently inefficient
> > for many (but not every) task. I would suggest a focus on how to
> > integrate Perl with the Windows interface, e.g. adding to right-click
> > menus, drag-n-drop, automated changes to Windows config/registry and
> > making common scripts easily available. There's also a lot of
> > web-based stuff that Perl is useful for, such as removing 80-column
> > line breaks in Windows txt files and converting Linux or Macintosh
> > (ewwww) text files to Windows format.
>
> I developed commercially for windows perl for a few years, so you can
> ask me in the meetings.
>
> You need basically libwin, Win32::GUI, Par::Dist and a nice installer.
> I used mainly the NSIS installer http://nsis.sourceforge.net/
> With Win32::GUI you can develop much nicer native windows apps
> than with any other language: python, php, tcl, vbasic, tcl, java,
> lisp, lua, ruby, ...
>
> Both activeperl and strawberry are fine.
>
> For true compilations via perlcc instead of Par you need a patched or
> a recent perl. This is only for hardcore devs.
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From cblanc at dionysius.com  Sat Mar  8 06:09:45 2014
From: cblanc at dionysius.com (Chris Blanc)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 08:09:45 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
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>  I think that if this sort of knowledge was more accessible, then a larger group of people
> would start to do things on Windows with Perl.

I find this to be true also.

Right now there's a mental chasm between being a normal Windows user,
and venturing into the world of Perl...

The more we make Perl un-"different," the more these users are likely
to find it.

Chris



On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
> And it makes perfect sense to target so many users. I have had friends who
> are lawyers and traders ask me how hard it'd be to do
> <insert-simple-thing-with-Perl> to say, a Word doc (s/// over many docs) or
> Excel spreadsheet (querying, etc). My response is, geez....if you knew Perl
> it'd be a breeze.  I think that if this sort of knowledge was more
> accessible, then a larger group of people would start to do things on
> Windows with Perl.  My lawyer friend was a computer whiz back in high school
> - he was never more than 5 ft away from his giant DOS book.
>
> Brett
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Chris Blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com> wrote:
>>
>> This is awesome. I don't care if Perl isn't the trendy web language,
>> because as far as I can tell all of the trendy web stuff is worthless
>> anyway, but I think it's a great language for gluing together an
>> operating system. I enjoy Windows but tend to use it through a mixture
>> of the CLI and Perl, simply because GUIs are inherently inefficient
>> for many (but not every) task. I would suggest a focus on how to
>> integrate Perl with the Windows interface, e.g. adding to right-click
>> menus, drag-n-drop, automated changes to Windows config/registry and
>> making common scripts easily available. There's also a lot of
>> web-based stuff that Perl is useful for, such as removing 80-column
>> line breaks in Windows txt files and converting Linux or Macintosh
>> (ewwww) text files to Windows format.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>> wrote:
>> > brian d foy is working on a new book. He has set up a website for
>> > discussing the topic and getting input from the world.
>> >
>> > http://www.windowsperl.com/
>> >
>> > Since we have a few people who ask about these topics, I thought it
>> > might be helpful.
>> >
>> > G. Wade
>> > --
>> > Java is a DSL for taking large XML files and converting them to stack
>> > traces                                        -- Bulat Shakirzyanov
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Houston mailing list
>> > Houston at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.dionysius.com/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
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From lanny.ripple at gmail.com  Sat Mar  8 09:19:42 2014
From: lanny.ripple at gmail.com (Lanny Ripple)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 11:19:42 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl on Windows
In-Reply-To: <CALMN4YoALfYUYkv92rW5g-X76nHHOA3Yx=dBmjY4-P+UbRrNUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20140307095102.6d586019@cygnus>
	<CALMN4YqVQ+puqXWLvd-s9vhctUPRD1ph_zsm41NPjd5oPO52Gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALSf6fRePTbRLkYMLR9q5TkuUSHXXrjKkQyiGWQ7SVSPH0y7HA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALMN4YoALfYUYkv92rW5g-X76nHHOA3Yx=dBmjY4-P+UbRrNUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ-j4sr3z_kv-pC89xNmZnL_DzHXm+A7hRA5gr+NzdUkmjh8VQ@mail.gmail.com>

I realize there are some unlucky souls that are required to work on
Windows.  If you aren't required to do so but that just happens to be the
platform you have then I'd suggest

* Vagrant (http://www.vagrantup.com/)
* VirtualBox (https://www.virtualbox.org/)
* learning Puppet (http://docs.puppetlabs.com/#puppetpuppet) for
provisioning

You will then have an easily configured Linux based VM to run Perl on.


On Sat, Mar 8, 2014 at 8:09 AM, Chris Blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com> wrote:

> >  I think that if this sort of knowledge was more accessible, then a
> larger group of people
> > would start to do things on Windows with Perl.
>
> I find this to be true also.
>
> Right now there's a mental chasm between being a normal Windows user,
> and venturing into the world of Perl...
>
> The more we make Perl un-"different," the more these users are likely
> to find it.
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 2:51 PM, B. Estrade <estrabd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > And it makes perfect sense to target so many users. I have had friends
> who
> > are lawyers and traders ask me how hard it'd be to do
> > <insert-simple-thing-with-Perl> to say, a Word doc (s/// over many docs)
> or
> > Excel spreadsheet (querying, etc). My response is, geez....if you knew
> Perl
> > it'd be a breeze.  I think that if this sort of knowledge was more
> > accessible, then a larger group of people would start to do things on
> > Windows with Perl.  My lawyer friend was a computer whiz back in high
> school
> > - he was never more than 5 ft away from his giant DOS book.
> >
> > Brett
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 10:40 AM, Chris Blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is awesome. I don't care if Perl isn't the trendy web language,
> >> because as far as I can tell all of the trendy web stuff is worthless
> >> anyway, but I think it's a great language for gluing together an
> >> operating system. I enjoy Windows but tend to use it through a mixture
> >> of the CLI and Perl, simply because GUIs are inherently inefficient
> >> for many (but not every) task. I would suggest a focus on how to
> >> integrate Perl with the Windows interface, e.g. adding to right-click
> >> menus, drag-n-drop, automated changes to Windows config/registry and
> >> making common scripts easily available. There's also a lot of
> >> web-based stuff that Perl is useful for, such as removing 80-column
> >> line breaks in Windows txt files and converting Linux or Macintosh
> >> (ewwww) text files to Windows format.
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 7, 2014 at 9:51 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> >> wrote:
> >> > brian d foy is working on a new book. He has set up a website for
> >> > discussing the topic and getting input from the world.
> >> >
> >> > http://www.windowsperl.com/
> >> >
> >> > Since we have a few people who ask about these topics, I thought it
> >> > might be helpful.
> >> >
> >> > G. Wade
> >> > --
> >> > Java is a DSL for taking large XML files and converting them to stack
> >> > traces                                        -- Bulat Shakirzyanov
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Houston mailing list
> >> > Houston at pm.org
> >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> http://www.dionysius.com/
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Houston mailing list
> >> Houston at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
> --
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Mar  8 14:10:52 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 16:10:52 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Module::Spy
Message-ID: <20140308161052.1e5b6c17@cygnus>

Interesting interface for a module that mocks functions.

http://blog.64p.org/entry/2014/03/08/055009

G. Wade
-- 
Doing nothing is very hard to do ? you never know when you?re finished.
                                                   -- Leslie Nielsen

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Mar  8 14:42:43 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2014 16:42:43 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday's meeting
Message-ID: <20140308164243.0d540ce4@cygnus>

It looks like several people would not be able to make it if we moved
the meeting to Wednesday. Also, no one is volunteering to present.

So, I declare this meeting "March's Lightning Talks".

We've done this before, and it seemed pretty popular at the time. For
those who have never seen them (or have forgotten), a lightning talk is
a short presentation on something (anything) that is no more than 5
minutes in length.

This is short enough that almost anyone can do one with little or no
preparation. Is there a module you use a lot, or a technique that
you've found interesting (or baffling)? Get up in front of the group
and say a few words about it. You can have slides or not. You can be
funny or not.

For the audience, they get to see a little information about several
topics. For a presenter, you really don't have to be up there long (and
it's pretty easy to be somewhat interesting for 5 minutes<grin/>).

If you have a particular idea, feel free to send it to me and I'll make
up a list of presentations. Or, you could do something spontaneous that
evening.

Looking forward to seeing everyone there.
G. Wade
-- 
You write code as if the person who will maintain your code is a violent
psychopath who knows where you live.               -- John F. Woods

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Mar  9 19:33:32 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2014 21:33:32 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Fw: Join Tim O'Reilly in a Live Q & A March 12
Message-ID: <20140309213332.158c962f@cygnus>



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From todd at rinaldo.us  Tue Mar 11 08:14:24 2014
From: todd at rinaldo.us (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
Message-ID: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>

All,

My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full meeting.
It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we tried
Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?

Todd

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Mar 11 08:48:51 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:48:51 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140311104851.075501d4@cygnus>

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:

> All,
> 
> My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full meeting.

Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined up.

1. Todd: Email SPAM
2. Reini: Global Destruction
3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files

Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
minutes.

Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the audience
to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks would
definitely make things easier.

> It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we tried
> Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?

As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).

G. Wade
-- 
It is wise to remember that you are one of those who can be fooled some
of the time.                                      -- Laurence J. Peter

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 11 09:02:56 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <20140311104851.075501d4@cygnus>
References: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20140311104851.075501d4@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1394553776.79837.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:

* Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
* Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
* Packaging Perl applications using Docker
* Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang and a non-trivial application under an hour.)

Do any of those sound interesting?

Mark



On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
 
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:

> All,
> 
> My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full meeting.

Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined up.

1. Todd: Email SPAM
2. Reini: Global Destruction
3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files

Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
minutes.

Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the audience
to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks would
definitely make things easier.

> It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we tried
> Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?

As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).

G. Wade
-- 
It is wise to remember that you are one of those who can be fooled some
of the time.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Laurence J. Peter

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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Mar 11 09:20:58 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:20:58 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <1394553776.79837.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>
	<20140311104851.075501d4@cygnus>
	<1394553776.79837.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20140311112058.41f70120@cygnus>

On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
> 
> * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
> * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
> * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
> * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
> programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang and a
> non-trivial application under an hour.)
> 
> Do any of those sound interesting?

Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
others could be quicker.)

G. Wade

> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
> Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
> 
> > All,
> > 
> > My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> > Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
> > meeting.
> 
> Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined up.
> 
> 1. Todd: Email SPAM
> 2. Reini: Global Destruction
> 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
> 
> Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
> minutes.
> 
> Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
> audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
> would definitely make things easier.
> 
> > It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> > meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
> > tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
> 
> As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
> construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
> 
> G. Wade


-- 
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
when you do, it blows away your whole leg.     -- Bjarne Stroustrup

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 11 10:36:05 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:36:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <20140311112058.41f70120@cygnus>
References: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>	<20140311104851.075501d4@cygnus>	<1394553776.79837.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20140311112058.41f70120@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1394559365.69032.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The last is a workshop "bring your laptop" type-thing

The other talks could be anywhere from 10-50 minutes long



On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
 
On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
> 
> * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
> * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
> * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
> * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
> programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang and a
> non-trivial application under an hour.)
> 
> Do any of those sound interesting?

Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
others could be quicker.)

G. Wade


> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
> Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
> 
> > All,
> > 
> > My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> > Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
> > meeting.
> 
> Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined up.
> 
> 1. Todd: Email SPAM
> 2. Reini: Global Destruction
> 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
> 
> Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
> minutes.
> 
> Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
> audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
> would definitely make things easier.
> 
> > It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> > meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
> > tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
> 
> As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
> construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
> 
> G. Wade


-- 
C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
when you do, it blows away your whole leg.? ?  -- Bjarne Stroustrup
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From toddr at cpanel.net  Tue Mar 11 11:14:11 2014
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:14:11 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <1394559365.69032.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>	<20140311104851.075501d4@cygnus>	<1394553776.79837.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <D7029A56-3737-410B-9DFD-7FF01475060A@cpanel.net>

I kinda like the last one.

On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> The last is a workshop "bring your laptop" type-thing
> 
> The other talks could be anywhere from 10-50 minutes long
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
> Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> > I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
> > 
> > * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
> > * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
> > * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
> > * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
> > programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang and a
> > non-trivial application under an hour.)
> > 
> > Do any of those sound interesting?
> 
> Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
> others could be quicker.)
> 
> G. Wade
> 
> 
> > Mark
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> > <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
> > On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
> > Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
> > 
> > > All,
> > > 
> > > My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> > > Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
> > > meeting.
> > 
> > Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined up.
> > 
> > 1. Todd: Email SPAM
> > 2. Reini: Global Destruction
> > 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
> > 
> > Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
> > minutes.
> > 
> > Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
> > audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
> > would definitely make things easier.
> > 
> > > It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> > > meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
> > > tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
> > 
> > As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
> > construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
> > 
> > G. Wade
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
> when you do, it blows away your whole leg.    -- Bjarne Stroustrup
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/

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From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 11 11:26:21 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <D7029A56-3737-410B-9DFD-7FF01475060A@cpanel.net>
References: <CAG8vyGHesMOTop73+k7=SX3xHdOB1HFO0Vjhx6PCAuC8R8c9fA@mail.gmail.com>	<20140311104851.075501d4@cygnus>	<1394553776.79837.YahooMailNeo@web164004.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20140311112058.41f70120@cygnus>
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I would really like to run through it with a group of people who are truly new to Erlang and see with "new eyes" what I'm trying to communicate.

Mark



On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:14 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:
 
I kinda like the last one.


On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

The last is a workshop "bring your laptop" type-thing
>
>
>The other talks could be anywhere from 10-50 minutes long
>
>
>
>On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> 
>On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
>Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
>> 
>> * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
>> * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
>> * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
>> * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
>> programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang and a
>> non-trivial application under an hour.)
>> 
>> Do any of those sound interesting?
>
>Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
>others could be quicker.)
>
>G. Wade
>
>
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
>> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
>> Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
>> 
>> > All,
>> > 
>> > My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
>> > Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
>> > meeting.
>> 
>> Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined up.
>> 
>> 1. Todd: Email SPAM
>> 2. Reini: Global Destruction
>> 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
>> 
>> Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
>> minutes.
>> 
>> Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
>> audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
>> would definitely make things easier.
>> 
>> > It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
>> > meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
>> > tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
>> 
>> As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
>>
 construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
>> 
>> G. Wade
>
>
>-- 
>C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
>when you do, it blows away your whole leg.? ?  -- Bjarne Stroustrup
>
>
>
>_______________________________________________
>Houston mailing list
>Houston at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From zaki.mughal at gmail.com  Tue Mar 11 11:31:34 2014
From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 13:31:34 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
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On 2014-03-11 at 11:26:21 -0700, Mark Allen wrote:
> I would really like to run through it with a group of people who are truly new to Erlang and see with "new eyes" what I'm trying to communicate.

I'd be interested in this. I've not programmed in Erlang before. I have
used Prolog (and I like it), but it seems the semantics are different.

- zaki

> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:14 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:
>  
> I kinda like the last one.
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> The last is a workshop "bring your laptop" type-thing
> >
> >
> >The other talks could be anywhere from 10-50 minutes long
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> > 
> >On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
> >Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
> >> 
> >> * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
> >> * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
> >> * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
> >> * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
> >> programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang and a
> >> non-trivial application under an hour.)
> >> 
> >> Do any of those sound interesting?
> >
> >Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
> >others could be quicker.)
> >
> >G. Wade
> >
> >
> >> Mark
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> >> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
> >> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
> >> Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > All,
> >> > 
> >> > My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> >> > Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
> >> > meeting.
> >> 
> >> Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined up.
> >> 
> >> 1. Todd: Email SPAM
> >> 2. Reini: Global Destruction
> >> 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
> >> 
> >> Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
> >> minutes.
> >> 
> >> Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
> >> audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
> >> would definitely make things easier.
> >> 
> >> > It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> >> > meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
> >> > tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
> >> 
> >> As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
> >>
>  construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
> >> 
> >> G. Wade
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but
> >when you do, it blows away your whole leg.? ?  -- Bjarne Stroustrup
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Houston mailing list
> >Houston at pm.org
> >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> 
> Todd Rinaldo
> toddr at cpanel.net

> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Mar 11 19:12:01 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 21:12:01 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I would really like to run through it with a group of people who are
> truly new to Erlang and see with "new eyes" what I'm trying to
> communicate.

It's sounding like we have a new plan.

Mark can do Introducing Erlang and we'll fill the remaining time with
lightning talks. (Some subset of the three we have, or any others that
want to volunteer.)

Looks like I need to change the announcement again.<grin/>

G. Wade

> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:14 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net>
> wrote: 
> I kinda like the last one.
> 
> 
> On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> The last is a workshop "bring your laptop" type-thing
> >
> >
> >The other talks could be anywhere from 10-50 minutes long
> >
> >
> >
> >On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> ><gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> > 
> >On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
> >Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
> >> 
> >> * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
> >> * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
> >> * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
> >> * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
> >> programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang
> >> and a non-trivial application under an hour.)
> >> 
> >> Do any of those sound interesting?
> >
> >Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
> >others could be quicker.)
> >
> >G. Wade
> >
> >
> >> Mark
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> >> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
> >> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
> >> Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
> >> 
> >> > All,
> >> > 
> >> > My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> >> > Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
> >> > meeting.
> >> 
> >> Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined
> >> up.
> >> 
> >> 1. Todd: Email SPAM
> >> 2. Reini: Global Destruction
> >> 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
> >> 
> >> Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
> >> minutes.
> >> 
> >> Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
> >> audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
> >> would definitely make things easier.
> >> 
> >> > It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> >> > meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
> >> > tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
> >> 
> >> As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
> >>
>  construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
> >> 
> >> G. Wade
> >
> >
> >-- 
> >C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder,
> >but when you do, it blows away your whole leg.? ?  -- Bjarne
> >Stroustrup
> >
> >
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >Houston mailing list
> >Houston at pm.org
> >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> 
> Todd Rinaldo
> toddr at cpanel.net


-- 
Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
good with ketchup.                                     -- C. Titus Brown

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 11 20:23:59 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 22:23:59 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
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Cool- looking forward to it!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:12 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>> I would really like to run through it with a group of people who are
>> truly new to Erlang and see with "new eyes" what I'm trying to
>> communicate.
> 
> It's sounding like we have a new plan.
> 
> Mark can do Introducing Erlang and we'll fill the remaining time with
> lightning talks. (Some subset of the three we have, or any others that
> want to volunteer.)
> 
> Looks like I need to change the announcement again.<grin/>
> 
> G. Wade
> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:14 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net>
>> wrote: 
>> I kinda like the last one.
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The last is a workshop "bring your laptop" type-thing
>>> 
>>> 
>>> The other talks could be anywhere from 10-50 minutes long
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson
>>> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
>>> Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
>>>> 
>>>> * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
>>>> * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
>>>> * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
>>>> * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
>>>> programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang
>>>> and a non-trivial application under an hour.)
>>>> 
>>>> Do any of those sound interesting?
>>> 
>>> Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
>>> others could be quicker.)
>>> 
>>> G. Wade
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
>>>> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
>>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
>>>> Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> All,
>>>>> 
>>>>> My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
>>>>> Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
>>>>> meeting.
>>>> 
>>>> Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined
>>>> up.
>>>> 
>>>> 1. Todd: Email SPAM
>>>> 2. Reini: Global Destruction
>>>> 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
>>>> 
>>>> Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
>>>> minutes.
>>>> 
>>>> Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
>>>> audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
>>>> would definitely make things easier.
>>>> 
>>>>> It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
>>>>> meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
>>>>> tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
>>>> 
>>>> As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
>> construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
>>>> 
>>>> G. Wade
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder,
>>> but when you do, it blows away your whole leg.     -- Bjarne
>>> Stroustrup
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Houston mailing list
>>> Houston at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>> 
>> Todd Rinaldo
>> toddr at cpanel.net
> 
> 
> -- 
> Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
> good with ketchup.                                     -- C. Titus Brown

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Mar 12 07:13:29 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2014 09:13:29 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Update to March Technical Meeting: "Introducing Erlang" and
 Lightning Talks
Message-ID: <20140312091329.75e4085a@cygnus>

Okay, let's try this again.

Mark Allen will do an "Introducing Erlang".

Todd Rinaldo will do a "SPAM handling with Mail::SpamAssassin"
lightning talk.

We'll finish up any remaining time with more lightning talks.

Hopefully, we won't have any more changes to the meeting topic for this
week.<grin/>

G. Wade
-- 
I know I'm on the right track when by deleting code I'm adding
functionality.                                       -- John Carter

From drzigman at drzigman.com  Thu Mar 13 16:48:38 2014
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 18:48:38 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Location
Message-ID: <A75017F2-9F54-4B5B-8784-3C76EB61E87F@drzigman.com>

Greetings folks!

I'm having trouble finding the meeting.  If anyone happens to see this please give me a ring at 319.400.9188 and guide me through the last mile.

Thanks!

Sent from my iPhone

From drzigman at drzigman.com  Thu Mar 13 17:06:02 2014
From: drzigman at drzigman.com (Robert Stone)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:06:02 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Location
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Found it!  Thanks guys :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Robert Stone <drzigman at drzigman.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings folks!
> 
> I'm having trouble finding the meeting.  If anyone happens to see this please give me a ring at 319.400.9188 and guide me through the last mile.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
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From boftx at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 13 17:12:54 2014
From: boftx at hotmail.com (Jim Bacon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2014 19:12:54 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Meeting Location
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Cool! Hope I helped.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
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Robert Stone
Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2014 7:06 PM
To: Houston.pm located in Houston, TX.
Subject: Re: [pm-h] Meeting Location

Found it!  Thanks guys :)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Robert Stone <drzigman at drzigman.com> wrote:
> 
> Greetings folks!
> 
> I'm having trouble finding the meeting.  If anyone happens to see this
please give me a ring at 319.400.9188 and guide me through the last mile.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From zaki.mughal at gmail.com  Fri Mar 14 21:01:26 2014
From: zaki.mughal at gmail.com (Zakariyya Mughal)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2014 23:01:26 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
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On 2014-03-11 at 22:23:59 -0500, Mark Allen wrote:
> Cool- looking forward to it!

Thanks for the talk! I really enjoyed it.

I had some thoughts about Erlang ? relating it to my experience with
Prolog (even though many of the semantics are different).

A couple of weeks ago, I was building a machine learning simulation in
Prolog and towards the end, I found that building all my data structures
out of lists and compound terms was slowly getting in the way as I was
refactoring my design. This is probably because I wasn't thinking far
enough ahead, but I thought that having an object system would help keep
some things manageable.

I came across another language that uses Prolog as a backend like Erlang
used to: Logtalk [^1]. I was wondering if Erlang had anything similar.
All I could find was that Joe Armstrong doesn't like OO [^2] and an old
project called ETC [^3].

As far as I have read, in Erlang, one usually models each process as an
object with interfaces defined by modules. Is this correct?

[^1]: <http://logtalk.org/>
[^2]: <http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/OO_programming/why_oo_sucks>
[^3]: <https://code.google.com/p/ect/>

Cheers,
- Zaki


> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 11, 2014, at 9:12 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> > 
> > On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 11:26:21 -0700 (PDT)
> > Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > 
> >> I would really like to run through it with a group of people who are
> >> truly new to Erlang and see with "new eyes" what I'm trying to
> >> communicate.
> > 
> > It's sounding like we have a new plan.
> > 
> > Mark can do Introducing Erlang and we'll fill the remaining time with
> > lightning talks. (Some subset of the three we have, or any others that
> > want to volunteer.)
> > 
> > Looks like I need to change the announcement again.<grin/>
> > 
> > G. Wade
> > 
> >> Mark
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 1:14 PM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net>
> >> wrote: 
> >> I kinda like the last one.
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mar 11, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> 
> >> The last is a workshop "bring your laptop" type-thing
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> The other talks could be anywhere from 10-50 minutes long
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 11:21 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> >>> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 09:02:56 -0700 (PDT)
> >>> Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>> I can give talks on one or more of the following topics Thursday:
> >>>> 
> >>>> * Functional list operations in Perl (map, filter, fold)
> >>>> * Using roles for object composition when building Perl web clients
> >>>> * Packaging Perl applications using Docker
> >>>> * Introducing Erlang (a new side project I'm working on to get
> >>>> programmers who have some experience up and running with Erlang
> >>>> and a non-trivial application under an hour.)
> >>>> 
> >>>> Do any of those sound interesting?
> >>> 
> >>> Are these full presentations, or lightning talks? (Some look big and
> >>> others could be quicker.)
> >>> 
> >>> G. Wade
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>> Mark
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> 
> >>>> On Tuesday, March 11, 2014 10:49 AM, G. Wade Johnson
> >>>> <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote: 
> >>>> On Tue, 11 Mar 2014 10:14:24 -0500
> >>>> Todd Rinaldo <todd at rinaldo.us> wrote:
> >>>> 
> >>>>> All,
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> My original offer was to do a 5 minute lightning talk on
> >>>>> Mail::SpamAssassin. I do not actually have content for a full
> >>>>> meeting.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Actually, so far I have 3 lightning talks (including yours) lined
> >>>> up.
> >>>> 
> >>>> 1. Todd: Email SPAM
> >>>> 2. Reini: Global Destruction
> >>>> 3. Wade: Tweaking gcode files
> >>>> 
> >>>> Come on people, we can get a few more talks lined up. It's only 5
> >>>> minutes.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Last time we did the lightning talks, we had requests from the
> >>>> audience to fill out some of the time. But a starting list of talks
> >>>> would definitely make things easier.
> >>>> 
> >>>>> It sounds like we have no talk on Thursday. I propose a social
> >>>>> meeting. Who's up for it. I got sick so couldn't attend when we
> >>>>> tried Empire Cafe last time. How did that venue work out?
> >>>> 
> >>>> As I recall, spacing was kind of tight at Empire Cafe (and the
> >> construction on Westheimer made getting there loads of fun).
> >>>> 
> >>>> G. Wade
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> -- 
> >>> C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder,
> >>> but when you do, it blows away your whole leg.     -- Bjarne
> >>> Stroustrup
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Houston mailing list
> >>> Houston at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> >>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >> 
> >> Todd Rinaldo
> >> toddr at cpanel.net
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste
> > good with ketchup.                                     -- C. Titus Brown
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From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 15 06:22:34 2014
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (mrallen1 at yahoo.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2014 06:22:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <20140315040126.GC5615@quadra>
Message-ID: <1394889754.17758.YahooMailAndroidMobile@web164001.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Yes that's right. You'd model your interface around messages passed in and sent out. State mutation would be contained inside the process state.

The receive primitive blocks until it gets a message from the process mailbox so you could use it to make a message processing loop passing a state variable into the loop like I showed toward the end of the workshop.

Mark

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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Mar 19 18:18:29 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2014 20:18:29 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] March Meeting Writeup
Message-ID: <20140319201829.6cfff3cd@cygnus>

The March meeting write-up went on-line a few days ago.

Sorry for the late announcement.

G. Wade
-- 
Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. -- Alvy Ray Smith

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Mar 23 16:40:58 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2014 18:40:58 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] April Meeting: Call for presentations
Message-ID: <20140323184058.2d64073a@cygnus>

Our next meeting will be Thursday, April 10 at Hostgator.

At the moment, no one has stepped forward to present.

Any ideas or volunteers out there?

G. Wade
-- 
If debugging is the process of removing software bugs, the programming
must be the process of putting them in.               -- Edsger Dijkstra

From reini.urban at gmail.com  Tue Mar 25 14:30:55 2014
From: reini.urban at gmail.com (Reini Urban)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 21:30:55 -0000
Subject: [pm-h] Discussion about delimiters for m//
In-Reply-To: <20140214175516.69aac650@cygnus>
References: <20140214175516.69aac650@cygnus>
Message-ID: <26792C21-4317-45D1-8704-CCF6F60D4EEA@gmail.com>

On Feb 14, 2014, at 5:55 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> Near the end of the meeting last night, there was a minor discussion at
> the whiteboard about which characters Perl allows as delimiters on the
> match operator.
> 
> According to PerlDoc:
> 
> If "/" is the delimiter then the initial "m" is optional.  With the
> "m" you can use any pair of non- whitespace (ASCII) characters as
> delimiters.  This is particularly useful for matching path names that
> contain "/", to avoid LTS (leaning toothpick syndrome).  If "?" is the
> delimiter, then a match-only- once rule applies, described in
> "m?PATTERN?" below.  If "'" is the delimiter, no interpolation is
> performed on the PATTERN.  When using a character valid in an
> identifier, whitespace is required after the "m".
> 
> So, that means that 
> 
>  $str =~ m mabc+m;
> 
> is valid Perl and it matches "abc+".
> 
> Weird. I can't think of a real use for it and using it in production
> code is likely to get you beaten by whoever maintains your code.

Me neither.

This is how to test it, with a debugging perl

$ perl -Dr -e'print "abc" =~ m mabc+m;'
Compiling REx "abc+"
rarest char c at 0
rarest char b at 1
Final program:
  1: EXACT <ab> (3)
  3: PLUS (6)
  4:   EXACT <c> (0)
  6: END (0)
anchored "abc" at 0 floating "c" at 2..2147483647 (checking anchored) minlen 3
Omitting $` $& $' support.

EXECUTING...

Guessing start of match in sv for REx "abc+" against "abc"
Found anchored substr "abc" at offset 0...
Found floating substr "c" at offset 2...
Guessed: match at offset 0
Matching REx "abc+" against "abc"
  0 <> <abc>                |  1:EXACT <ab>(3)
  2 <ab> <c>                |  3:PLUS(6)
                                 EXACT <c> can match 1 times out of 2147483647...
  3 <abc> <>                |  6:  END(0)
Match successful!
1Freeing REx: "abc+"

And B::Concise shows you the match operator and flags being used:
=> /abc+/

$ perl -MO=Concise -e'print "abc" =~ m mabc+m;'
7  <@> leave[1 ref] vKP/REFC ->(end)
1     <0> enter ->2
2     <;> nextstate(main 1 -e:1) v:{ ->3
6     <@> print vK ->7
3        <0> pushmark s ->4
5        </> match(/"abc+"/) lKS/RTIME ->6
4           <$> const(PV "abc") s ->5
-e syntax OK


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Mar 27 15:33:55 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:33:55 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Still no presentation for April
Message-ID: <20140327173355.7f6f7c0c@cygnus>

The April meeting is in two weeks and we still don't have a
presentation for the meeting.

1. Does anyone have something they would like to present?
2. Does anyone have a topic they would like someone else to present?
3. Do we want to try to do lightning talks?
   (That requires more people to have shorter presentations.)
4. Do we want to do a social meeting this time?

Email the list or me directly with your ideas.

Since the meeting is scheduled to meet at Hostgator, this would be a
good time for our members from Hostgator to step up and present if they
have anything.

As always, the topics don't have to be Perl. They should just be
something of interest to Perl programmers. If you aren't sure if a
topic is reasonable, you can contact me first. But, the short answer is
usually "yes".

Let's see what you can come up with.
G. Wade
-- 
Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is
when it is but it looks like it isn't.               -- Rick Hoselton

From dculver1986 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 28 12:22:56 2014
From: dculver1986 at gmail.com (Daniel Culver)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:22:56 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 112, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1396033221.15613.houston@pm.org>
References: <mailman.3.1396033221.15613.houston@pm.org>
Message-ID: <CAD_LsCh9yjEmz+_9aa0DmGoL5kMwQTqRD2n+SBBuXFHJJKzxxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Wade,
I would be willing to do a short presentation on an introduction to Moose.
On Mar 28, 2014 2:00 PM, <houston-request at pm.org> wrote:

> Send Houston mailing list submissions to
>         houston at pm.org
>
> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>         http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>         houston-request at pm.org
>
> You can reach the person managing the list at
>         houston-owner at pm.org
>
> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> than "Re: Contents of Houston digest..."
>
>
> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Still no presentation for April (G. Wade Johnson)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:33:55 -0500
> From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> To: Houston Perl Mongers <houston at pm.org>
> Subject: [pm-h] Still no presentation for April
> Message-ID: <20140327173355.7f6f7c0c at cygnus>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>
> The April meeting is in two weeks and we still don't have a
> presentation for the meeting.
>
> 1. Does anyone have something they would like to present?
> 2. Does anyone have a topic they would like someone else to present?
> 3. Do we want to try to do lightning talks?
>    (That requires more people to have shorter presentations.)
> 4. Do we want to do a social meeting this time?
>
> Email the list or me directly with your ideas.
>
> Since the meeting is scheduled to meet at Hostgator, this would be a
> good time for our members from Hostgator to step up and present if they
> have anything.
>
> As always, the topics don't have to be Perl. They should just be
> something of interest to Perl programmers. If you aren't sure if a
> topic is reasonable, you can contact me first. But, the short answer is
> usually "yes".
>
> Let's see what you can come up with.
> G. Wade
> --
> Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is
> when it is but it looks like it isn't.               -- Rick Hoselton
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Subject: Digest Footer
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From damonhastings at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 28 16:16:33 2014
From: damonhastings at yahoo.com (Damon Hastings)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 16:16:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 112, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <CAD_LsCh9yjEmz+_9aa0DmGoL5kMwQTqRD2n+SBBuXFHJJKzxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1396033221.15613.houston@pm.org>
	<CAD_LsCh9yjEmz+_9aa0DmGoL5kMwQTqRD2n+SBBuXFHJJKzxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1396048593.22223.YahooMailNeo@web181302.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Speaking for myself, that sounds like something I'd like to see...

Damon




>________________________________
> From: Daniel Culver <dculver1986 at gmail.com>
>To: houston at pm.org 
>Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:22 PM
>Subject: Re: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 112, Issue 20
> 
>
>
>Hi Wade, 
>I would be willing to do a short presentation on an introduction to Moose. 
>On Mar 28, 2014 2:00 PM,  <houston-request at pm.org> wrote:
>
>Send Houston mailing list submissions to
>>? ? ? ? houston at pm.org
>>
>>To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
>>? ? ? ? http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>>or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
>>? ? ? ? houston-request at pm.org
>>
>>You can reach the person managing the list at
>>? ? ? ? houston-owner at pm.org
>>
>>When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
>>than "Re: Contents of Houston digest..."
>>
>>
>>Today's Topics:
>>
>>? ?1. Still no presentation for April (G. Wade Johnson)
>>
>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>Message: 1
>>Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:33:55 -0500
>>From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
>>To: Houston Perl Mongers <houston at pm.org>
>>Subject: [pm-h] Still no presentation for April
>>Message-ID: <20140327173355.7f6f7c0c at cygnus>
>>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
>>
>>The April meeting is in two weeks and we still don't have a
>>presentation for the meeting.
>>
>>1. Does anyone have something they would like to present?
>>2. Does anyone have a topic they would like someone else to present?
>>3. Do we want to try to do lightning talks?
>>? ?(That requires more people to have shorter presentations.)
>>4. Do we want to do a social meeting this time?
>>
>>Email the list or me directly with your ideas.
>>
>>Since the meeting is scheduled to meet at Hostgator, this would be a
>>good time for our members from Hostgator to step up and present if they
>>have anything.
>>
>>As always, the topics don't have to be Perl. They should just be
>>something of interest to Perl programmers. If you aren't sure if a
>>topic is reasonable, you can contact me first. But, the short answer is
>>usually "yes".
>>
>>Let's see what you can come up with.
>>G. Wade
>>--
>>Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is
>>when it is but it looks like it isn't. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- Rick Hoselton
>>
>>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Fri Mar 28 16:30:30 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 18:30:30 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 112, Issue 20
In-Reply-To: <CAD_LsCh9yjEmz+_9aa0DmGoL5kMwQTqRD2n+SBBuXFHJJKzxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.3.1396033221.15613.houston@pm.org>
	<CAD_LsCh9yjEmz+_9aa0DmGoL5kMwQTqRD2n+SBBuXFHJJKzxxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20140328183030.15ded8a2@cygnus>

On Fri, 28 Mar 2014 14:22:56 -0500
Daniel Culver <dculver1986 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Wade,
> I would be willing to do a short presentation on an introduction to
> Moose.

Daniel,

This would be a good topic for a presentation. We haven't had an intro
Moose talk in years, so it's probably time again.

G. Wade

> On Mar 28, 2014 2:00 PM, <houston-request at pm.org> wrote:
> 
> > Send Houston mailing list submissions to
> >         houston at pm.org
> >
> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
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> >         houston-request at pm.org
> >
> > You can reach the person managing the list at
> >         houston-owner at pm.org
> >
> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > than "Re: Contents of Houston digest..."
> >
> >
> > Today's Topics:
> >
> >    1. Still no presentation for April (G. Wade Johnson)
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 17:33:55 -0500
> > From: "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org>
> > To: Houston Perl Mongers <houston at pm.org>
> > Subject: [pm-h] Still no presentation for April
> > Message-ID: <20140327173355.7f6f7c0c at cygnus>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> >
> > The April meeting is in two weeks and we still don't have a
> > presentation for the meeting.
> >
> > 1. Does anyone have something they would like to present?
> > 2. Does anyone have a topic they would like someone else to present?
> > 3. Do we want to try to do lightning talks?
> >    (That requires more people to have shorter presentations.)
> > 4. Do we want to do a social meeting this time?
> >
> > Email the list or me directly with your ideas.
> >
> > Since the meeting is scheduled to meet at Hostgator, this would be a
> > good time for our members from Hostgator to step up and present if
> > they have anything.
> >
> > As always, the topics don't have to be Perl. They should just be
> > something of interest to Perl programmers. If you aren't sure if a
> > topic is reasonable, you can contact me first. But, the short
> > answer is usually "yes".
> >
> > Let's see what you can come up with.
> > G. Wade
> > --
> > Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is
> > when it is but it looks like it isn't.               -- Rick
> > Hoselton
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > Subject: Digest Footer
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> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > End of Houston Digest, Vol 112, Issue 20
> > ****************************************
> >


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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sat Mar 29 21:38:04 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2014 23:38:04 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] April Technical Meeting: Beginning Moose
Message-ID: <20140329233804.4d8a19b6@cygnus>

The April Houston.pm meeting is on Thursday, April 10. The meeting will
start at 7pm and finish before 9pm.

Daniel Culver will be presenting an introduction to the Moose Perl
module from the perspective of someone who knows nothing of Moose all
the way to the creation of your first Moose object.

This month we will meet at Hostgator (5005 Mitchelldale St #100). Free
parking is available in back.

I look forward to seeing you there.
G. Wade
-- 
"If everything's under control, you're going too slow."
                                                   -- Mario Andretti

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Mar 30 16:08:42 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 18:08:42 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Fw: Communities & UG News: Get Your Free Books + More from
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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 30 21:00:46 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:00:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Perl merging many large files into one
In-Reply-To: <20140329233804.4d8a19b6@cygnus>
References: <20140329233804.4d8a19b6@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1396238446.90918.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Perl Folks,
Can anyone tell me if the diamond operator is optimized in a print statement or?does it really read the file into memory then print it?
?
perl -e '
use strict;
use warnings;
use Path::Class qw{file};
my @files=qw{X Y Z}; #really large files
my $out=file("out.txt")->openw;
foreach my $file (@files) {
? my $fh=file($file)->openr;
? print $out <$fh>; #does this read to memory then print or does it do something better?
}
'
?
Or do I really need to read line by line something like this...
?
perl -e '
use strict;
use warnings;
use Path::Class qw{file};
my @files=qw{X Y Z}; #really large files
my $out=file("out.txt")->openw;
foreach my $file (@files) {
? my $fh=file($file)->openr;
? my $line;
? print $out $line while ($line=<$fh>);
}
'
?
Thanks,
Mike
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Sun Mar 30 21:20:19 2014
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 00:20:19 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Perl merging many large files into one
In-Reply-To: <1396238446.90918.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140329233804.4d8a19b6@cygnus>
	<1396238446.90918.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5338ED03.2040101@stemsystems.com>

On 03/31/2014 12:00 AM, Michael R. Davis wrote:
> Perl Folks,
> Can anyone tell me if the diamond operator is optimized in a print
statement or does it really read the file into memory then print it?


> use Path::Class qw{file};
> my @files=qw{X Y Z}; #really large files

how large is really large? in the olden days, 64k was large. today 1GB 
isn't large at all, even in ram.

> my $out=file("out.txt")->openw;
> foreach my $file (@files) {
>    my $fh=file($file)->openr;
>    print $out <$fh>; #does this read to memory then print or does it do something better?

why would you want to copy files line by line if you aren't doing 
anything with them? for just pure speed, this is one time i would shell 
out to cat as it will write all 3 files very efficiently to the out 
file. File::Copy may work too. depending on the size of the files, 
File::Slurp::append_file may be what you want or even just read_file (3 
times) and write_file.

so it all depends on my question above. how large is really large?

uri

-- 
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The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers
http://PerlHunter.com

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Mar 31 05:35:55 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 07:35:55 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl merging many large files into one
In-Reply-To: <1396238446.90918.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140329233804.4d8a19b6@cygnus>
	<1396238446.90918.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20140331073555.6ecf9834@cygnus>

On Sun, 30 Mar 2014 21:00:46 -0700 (PDT)
"Michael R. Davis" <mrdvt92 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Perl Folks,
> Can anyone tell me if the diamond operator is optimized in a print
> statement or?does it really read the file into memory then print it? 

The short answer is the diamond operator reads all of the files into
memory and returns a list of all lines.

> perl -e '
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use Path::Class qw{file};
> my @files=qw{X Y Z}; #really large files
> my $out=file("out.txt")->openw;
> foreach my $file (@files) {
> ? my $fh=file($file)->openr;
> ? print $out <$fh>; #does this read to memory then print or does it
> do something better? }
> '
> ?
> Or do I really need to read line by line something like this...
> ?
> perl -e '
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use Path::Class qw{file};
> my @files=qw{X Y Z}; #really large files
> my $out=file("out.txt")->openw;
> foreach my $file (@files) {
> ? my $fh=file($file)->openr;
> ? my $line;
> ? print $out $line while ($line=<$fh>);
> }
> '

Line by line is not as bad as it sounds, Perl uses buffering internally
to avoid hitting the disk more than necessary.

The real question is are you doing more than just concatenating the
files? If you're not doing anything else, there are more appropriate
tools (depending on your OS). If you are doing something else with the
lines, that might change how I would solve the problem.

G. Wade

-- 
Make no decision out of fear.                     -- Bruce Sterling

From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 31 06:10:42 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 06:10:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Perl merging many large files into one
In-Reply-To: <20140331073555.6ecf9834@cygnus>
References: <20140329233804.4d8a19b6@cygnus>	<1396238446.90918.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20140331073555.6ecf9834@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1396271442.95503.YahooMailNeo@web121005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

G. Wade,
?
>> Can anyone tell me if the diamond operator is optimized in a print
>> statement or?does it really read the file into memory then print it? 
>
>The real question is are you doing more than just concatenating the
>files? 
?
I guess this comment sparked research and `tail` actually does what I need to do.
?
qx{cat X > out.txt; tail --lines=+2?Y Z >> out.txt};
?
Maybe I'll just head out to the command line it just won't be portable.? There will be about 300 CSV files to merge in the process but I only need the header row on the first one.
?
But, performance is not really as big of a concern as memory for this process.
Thanks,
Mike 
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Mon Mar 31 07:06:46 2014
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 09:06:46 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl merging many large files into one
In-Reply-To: <1396271442.95503.YahooMailNeo@web121005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140329233804.4d8a19b6@cygnus>
	<1396238446.90918.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<20140331073555.6ecf9834@cygnus>
	<1396271442.95503.YahooMailNeo@web121005.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CALSf6fRgWOcobhv6hsKCPbkk0an+FNCAFm3dkCkNELcm+70W1w@mail.gmail.com>

Just a few points:

0. If you are not appending to "out.text" each time the script is run,
use ">" not ">>" in the shell command; but I am assuming ">" moving
forward because the final shell command is much shorter (">>" requires
an additional temporary file step to remain atomic)
1. Separate the commands with a "&&" since this will require the
former to succeed before the latter is executed
2. You may want to capture STDERR, making the shell command look like
the following (untested):

(cat X > out.txt && tail --lines=+2 Y Z) 2>> error.out 1> out.txt #
out.txt is overwritten here each time

3. If you plan to rely on "out.txt" to exist fully in order for a
future process to use it, I'd ">" to a temporary file, then do an
atomic move (/bin/mv) to the final file name, bringing your shell
command to look something like:

(cat X > out.txt && tail --lines=+2 Y Z) 2>> error.out 1>temp.out &&
mv temp.out out.txt;

In general, I have absolutely no issue using shell scripts when what I
need is purely shell in nature. So if this is all you need to do, I
would recommend a shell script over Perl without hesitation.

The issue of keeping "out.txt" visible only in a complete state is
complicated if it needs to grow each time the concatenation is done.
If out.txt does need to grow, you will need to create an additional
temporary file that is the new content appended to the old out.txt;
then move that temp file to be the new out.txt.

Brett

On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Michael R. Davis <mrdvt92 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> G. Wade,
>
>>> Can anyone tell me if the diamond operator is optimized in a print
>>> statement or does it really read the file into memory then print it?
>>
>>The real question is are you doing more than just concatenating the
>>files?
>
> I guess this comment sparked research and `tail` actually does what I need
> to do.
>
> qx{cat X > out.txt; tail --lines=+2 Y Z >> out.txt};
>
> Maybe I'll just head out to the command line it just won't be portable.
> There will be about 300 CSV files to merge in the process but I only need
> the header row on the first one.
>
> But, performance is not really as big of a concern as memory for this
> process.
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
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From x at hostgator.com  Mon Mar 31 13:44:11 2014
From: x at hostgator.com (Xaviar)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 15:44:11 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 112, Issue 22
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1396206005.7487.houston@pm.org>
Message-ID: <1020164551.6059875.1396298651676.JavaMail.root@hostgator.com>

Hey Perl Mongers, 


My apologies, but our construction on our new parking deck has expanded in the back area of our office, making this area unavailable for parking. We have secured parking spots for this night starting at 6pm in the front of our building, on the building side. Please note, these parking spaces have notices of being for other tenants in our building, rest assured we have confirmed with the other tenants that they will be letting us use the spots. Parking on the grass/road side of the office is first come first serve for anyone as well! 


My apologies, apparently construction estimations are... well.. we all know how that goes :) 


Cheers, 
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Director of Software Development 

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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Mar 31 16:17:31 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:17:31 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Mailing list issues?
Message-ID: <20140331181731.1f1e4e80@cygnus>

Has anyone had problems mailing the list lately?
I've had a couple of reports and I'm trying to correlate.

G. Wade
-- 
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a
system of government.

From toddr at cpanel.net  Mon Mar 31 16:55:17 2014
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2014 18:55:17 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Mailing list issues?
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On Mar 31, 2014, at 6:17 PM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> Has anyone had problems mailing the list lately?
> I've had a couple of reports and I'm trying to correlate.
> 
> G. Wade

You might try polling the pm.org admin mailing list. They are having known spam problems at the moment, I think related to cpan.org. 

Todd