From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Aug 10 20:53:05 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2014 22:53:05 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
Message-ID: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>

http://neilb.org/2014/08/10/prepared-to-put-up-with.html

Makes you think about a central part of the Perl ecosystem.

G. Wade
-- 
The closer you get to the truth, the messier your sentence gets.
                                                      -- Paul Graham

From mikeflan at att.net  Mon Aug 11 03:53:31 2014
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 05:53:31 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
Message-ID: <53E8A0AB.7040607@att.net>


Yeah, I just read that.

I use Active Perl, so I get a reduced, refined set
of modules to pick from.  I rarely run into modules
where I can prove they don't work - almost never.
Many more times I run into the situation where I
can't easily get a module I think I need, but that
doesn't happen a whole lot either.

I wonder who weeds out bad modules?  Surely that
happens.


Mike


On 8/10/2014 10:53 PM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston wrote:
> http://neilb.org/2014/08/10/prepared-to-put-up-with.html
>
> Makes you think about a central part of the Perl ecosystem.
>
> G. Wade


From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 03:45:53 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 03:45:53 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> http://neilb.org/2014/08/10/prepared-to-put-up-with.html
> Makes you think about a central part of the Perl ecosystem.

G. Wade,
I think if CPAN had a few features then it would be better.? 
?
1)?I use this?distribution please keep it updated.
2) Don't use this distribution use this newer, bigger, better package instead.
?
So, the packages with the most "use" could be filtered from the rest more easily.
?
Frankly, I've uploaded some packages and have no idea whatsoever if anyone is using them.? So, do they need to stay up on CPAN even though I no longer use them? 
?
Thanks,
Mike??? 
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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 03:45:53 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 03:45:53 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
Message-ID: <1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

> http://neilb.org/2014/08/10/prepared-to-put-up-with.html
> Makes you think about a central part of the Perl ecosystem.

G. Wade,
I think if CPAN had a few features then it would be better.? 
?
1)?I use this?distribution please keep it updated.
2) Don't use this distribution use this newer, bigger, better package instead.
?
So, the packages with the most "use" could be filtered from the rest more easily.
?
Frankly, I've uploaded some packages and have no idea whatsoever if anyone is using them.? So, do they need to stay up on CPAN even though I no longer use them? 
?
Thanks,
Mike??? 
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Aug 11 05:53:36 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 07:53:36 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
	<1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20140811075336.138aec81@cygnus>

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014 03:45:53 -0700
"Michael R. Davis" <mrdvt92 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> > http://neilb.org/2014/08/10/prepared-to-put-up-with.html
> > Makes you think about a central part of the Perl ecosystem.
> 
> G. Wade,
> I think if CPAN had a few features then it would be better.? 

Hi Mike,

One of the great things about CPAN is that it is maintained by the
community. (That can also be one of it's downsides.)

The code for metacpan.org is on github as projects under
https://github.com/CPAN-API

This allows individuals or groups with an idea to contribute and
improve the interface.

> 1)?I use this?distribution please keep it updated.

I have used a cron job in the past to try to do this. I eventually gave
up on the idea thanks to one too many breaking change in a
module.<shrug/>

> 2) Don't use this distribution use this newer, bigger, better package
> instead. 

That's a really good idea to be able to add to metadata about a module.
This would allow an author to easily let people know if they want the
module to be replaced.

Unlike the previous search.cpan.org, metacpan.org supplies a RESTful
API that you can use to query CPAN for information you need for your
environment.

> So, the packages with the most "use" could be filtered from the rest
> more easily. 

I've seen a fair amount of talk about this over the years. 

> Frankly, I've uploaded some packages and have no idea whatsoever if
> anyone is using them.? So, do they need to stay up on CPAN even
> though I no longer use them? Thanks,

Modules uploaded to CPAN stay there until the author removes them. I've
been surprised a time or two when I see that someone is using a module
that I wrote and had basically forgotten.

I guess the short version is that you could either make changes to
MetaCPAN yourself, get a group together to look at it, or at least post
a suggestion on the relevant MetaCPAN project. It's definitely possible
to extend MetaCPAN to do more.

G. Wade
-- 
Virtual is when it's not but it looks like it is and transparent is
when it is but it looks like it isn't.                     -- Rick
Hoselton

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Aug 11 06:15:34 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 08:15:34 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Write-up for brian's workshop now on-line
Message-ID: <20140811081534.330fe2be@cygnus>

I've posted the write-up and brian's slides to the Houston.pm website.
http://houston.pm.org/talks/2014talks/140731Talk/index.html

Enjoy!
G. Wade
-- 
Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a
system of government.

From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon Aug 11 07:26:18 2014
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2014 10:26:18 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] NeilB commentary on CPAN
In-Reply-To: <1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <20140810225305.06046485@cygnus>
	<1407753953.26079.YahooMailNeo@web121001.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53E8D28A.3060207@stemsystems.com>

On 08/11/2014 06:45 AM, Michael R. Davis via Houston wrote:
>>http://neilb.org/2014/08/10/prepared-to-put-up-with.html
>> Makes you think about a central part of the Perl ecosystem.
> G. Wade,
> I think if CPAN had a few features then it would be better.
> 1) I use this distribution please keep it updated.
> 2) Don't use this distribution use this newer, bigger, better package
> instead.
> So, the packages with the most "use" could be filtered from the rest
> more easily.

that does exist on metacpan. look for the reverse dependencies link on a 
module page. that shows what other modules and distributions are 
depenedent on this module. it won't show end user programs which use the 
module (without scanning all those private disks :) but it does tell you 
something about popularity. but popularity doesn't always equate to 
quality (look at any major fast food chain) so keep that in mind.

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman - The Perl Hunter
The Best Perl Jobs, The Best Perl Hackers
http://PerlHunter.com

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Aug 12 06:30:16 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2014 08:30:16 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] brian d foy article on modulinos
Message-ID: <20140812083016.2347f0be@cygnus>

If you haven't run across modulinos in Perl, this is a good
introduction:

http://perltricks.com/article/107/2014/8/7/Rescue-legacy-code-with-modulinos

The basic idea is to change a Perl script into something that can be
run as a script or loaded as a module. Once you can load the code as a
module, unit testing becomes much easier.

G. Wade
-- 
"No Boom today. Boom tomorrow, There's always a boom tomorrow."
                                                 -- Ivanova, "Grail"

From estrabd at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 04:41:55 2014
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 06:41:55 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] brian d foy article on modulinos
In-Reply-To: <20140812083016.2347f0be@cygnus>
References: <20140812083016.2347f0be@cygnus>
Message-ID: <CALSf6fTSughHjRBuvW0jkR8Xr8MZ_EMmzUyKqUw+FxnCe7G7nA@mail.gmail.com>

++moduilinos

Brett

On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 8:30 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston
<houston at pm.org> wrote:
> If you haven't run across modulinos in Perl, this is a good
> introduction:
>
> http://perltricks.com/article/107/2014/8/7/Rescue-legacy-code-with-modulinos
>
> The basic idea is to change a Perl script into something that can be
> run as a script or loaded as a module. Once you can load the code as a
> module, unit testing becomes much easier.
>
> G. Wade
> --
> "No Boom today. Boom tomorrow, There's always a boom tomorrow."
>                                                  -- Ivanova, "Grail"
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From wiersema_t at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 15:56:20 2014
From: wiersema_t at yahoo.com (Todd Wiersema)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2014 15:56:20 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 117, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.3.1408042802.17351.houston@pm.org>
Message-ID: <1408056980.8516.YahooMailBasic@web164006.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Will the meeting be available for online participation?  If so, where can I find a link?

Todd 

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From mrdvt92 at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:03:46 2014
From: mrdvt92 at yahoo.com (Michael R. Davis)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:03:46 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Perl rename bug?
Message-ID: <1408392226.43012.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Perl Mongers,
Is this a bug in rename?? I googled but did not find anything off the top.
?
$ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.

?
But this works fine.
?
$ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0], $files[1]);'
?
Mike
?
mrdvt92
?
$ perl -v
This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi
Copyright 1987-2007, Larry Wall
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Aug 18 13:30:39 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 15:30:39 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl rename bug?
In-Reply-To: <1408392226.43012.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1408392226.43012.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20140818153039.174eb4a2@cygnus>

On Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:03:46 -0700
"Michael R. Davis via Houston" <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Perl Mongers,
> Is this a bug in rename?? I googled but did not find anything off the
> top. 
> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
> Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
> Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.

It looks like rename has a prototype which makes it require two
scalars. Looking at the documentation for rename, it does not support a
list as a parameter, it only supports two names.

G. Wade

> ?
> But this works fine.
> ?
> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0], $files[1]);'
> ?
> Mike
> ?
> mrdvt92
> ?
> $ perl -v
> This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi
> Copyright 1987-2007, Larry Wall
> 


-- 
Perl isn't really about safety. It's about getting where you're going,
and enjoying the trip. It's more important to be a good driver than to
have seven feet of sponge rubber all around your car.      -- Larry Wall

From perl at saltbreez.com  Mon Aug 18 13:41:04 2014
From: perl at saltbreez.com (Perl Developer)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 16:41:04 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Perl rename bug?
In-Reply-To: <1408392226.43012.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1408392226.43012.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAE9aZ0-euxnJgvE++x0fvTyAQYcYnnaaaTg2qM2icWQunXsN8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Michael,

I see why you might consider this a bug, but I do not believe that it
is.  Further, I do not believe this is a prototype issue  Consider,


bash-4.2$  perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
-e had compilation errors.
LISTOP (0x20b8128) leave [1]
    OP (0x20b7fc8) enter
    COP (0x20b8170) nextstate
    BINOP (0x20b81d0) aassign [2]
        UNOP (0x20b5430) null [147]
            OP (0x20b53f8) pushmark
            SVOP (0x20b54b8) const  PV (0x20b6188) "x"
            SVOP (0x20b5478) const  PV (0x20b60f8) "y"
        UNOP (0x20b53b0) null [147]
            OP (0x20b5360) padrange [1]
            OP (0x20b54f8) padav [1]
    COP (0x20b8010) nextstate
    LISTOP (0x20b80a8) rename [3]
        OP (0x20b8070) null [3]
        OP (0x20b80f0) padav [1]

bash-4.2$  perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0],
$files[1]);'
LISTOP (0x20b9138) leave [1]
    OP (0x20b8e90) enter
    COP (0x20b9180) nextstate
    BINOP (0x20b91e0) aassign [2]
        UNOP (0x20b6440) null [147]
            OP (0x20b6408) pushmark
            SVOP (0x20b64c8) const  PV (0x20b7198) "x"
            SVOP (0x20b6488) const  PV (0x20b7108) "y"
        UNOP (0x20b63c0) null [147]
            OP (0x20b6370) padrange [1]
            OP (0x20b6508) padav [1]
    COP (0x20b8ed8) nextstate
    LISTOP (0x20b8f70) rename [3]
        OP (0x20b8f38) null [3]
        UNOP (0x20b9078) null [130]
            OP (0x20b9100) aelemfast_lex [1]
            OP (0x20b90c0) null [5]
        UNOP (0x20b8fb8) null [130]
            OP (0x20b9040) aelemfast_lex [1]
            OP (0x20b9000) null [5]
-e syntax OK

Or even:

bash-4.2$  perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files,undef);'
LISTOP (0x93b138) leave [1]
    OP (0x93afa0) enter
    COP (0x93b180) nextstate
    BINOP (0x93b1e0) aassign [2]
        UNOP (0x938440) null [147]
            OP (0x938408) pushmark
            SVOP (0x9384c8) const  PV (0x939198) "x"
            SVOP (0x938488) const  PV (0x939108) "y"
        UNOP (0x9383c0) null [147]
            OP (0x938370) padrange [1]
            OP (0x938508) padav [1]
    COP (0x93afe8) nextstate
    LISTOP (0x93b080) rename [3]
        OP (0x93b048) null [3]
        OP (0x93b100) padav [1]
        OP (0x93b0c8) undef
-e syntax OK

Perl sees @files as a container,  rename is looking for 2 arguments,
whatever they may be.


(I doubt my last example will do what you want it to do...)

On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Michael R. Davis via Houston
<houston at pm.org> wrote:
> Perl Mongers,
> Is this a bug in rename?  I googled but did not find anything off the top.
>
> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
> Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
> Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
>
> But this works fine.
>
> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0], $files[1]);'
>
> Mike
>
> mrdvt92
>
> $ perl -v
> This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi
> Copyright 1987-2007, Larry Wall
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
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From damonhastings at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:56:40 2014
From: damonhastings at yahoo.com (Damon Hastings)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:56:40 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Perl rename bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAE9aZ0-euxnJgvE++x0fvTyAQYcYnnaaaTg2qM2icWQunXsN8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1408392226.43012.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAE9aZ0-euxnJgvE++x0fvTyAQYcYnnaaaTg2qM2icWQunXsN8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1408395400.74656.YahooMailNeo@web181306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm guessing they did this as a safety feature; accepting a single container parameter could be bug-prone.? Many other perl functions have similar safeguards (I assume implemented via prototypes.)



On Monday, August 18, 2014 3:41 PM, Perl Developer via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

>
>
>Michael,
>
>I see why you might consider this a bug, but I do not believe that it
>is.? Further, I do not believe this is a prototype issue? Consider,
>
>
>bash-4.2$? perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
>Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
>-e had compilation errors.
>LISTOP (0x20b8128) leave [1]
>? ? OP (0x20b7fc8) enter
>? ? COP (0x20b8170) nextstate
>? ? BINOP (0x20b81d0) aassign [2]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b5430) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b53f8) pushmark
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b54b8) const? PV (0x20b6188) "x"
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b5478) const? PV (0x20b60f8) "y"
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b53b0) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b5360) padrange [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b54f8) padav [1]
>? ? COP (0x20b8010) nextstate
>? ? LISTOP (0x20b80a8) rename [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x20b8070) null [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x20b80f0) padav [1]
>
>bash-4.2$? perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0],
>$files[1]);'
>LISTOP (0x20b9138) leave [1]
>? ? OP (0x20b8e90) enter
>? ? COP (0x20b9180) nextstate
>? ? BINOP (0x20b91e0) aassign [2]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b6440) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b6408) pushmark
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b64c8) const? PV (0x20b7198) "x"
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b6488) const? PV (0x20b7108) "y"
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b63c0) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b6370) padrange [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b6508) padav [1]
>? ? COP (0x20b8ed8) nextstate
>? ? LISTOP (0x20b8f70) rename [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x20b8f38) null [3]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b9078) null [130]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b9100) aelemfast_lex [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b90c0) null [5]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b8fb8) null [130]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b9040) aelemfast_lex [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b9000) null [5]
>-e syntax OK
>
>Or even:
>
>bash-4.2$? perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files,undef);'
>LISTOP (0x93b138) leave [1]
>? ? OP (0x93afa0) enter
>? ? COP (0x93b180) nextstate
>? ? BINOP (0x93b1e0) aassign [2]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x938440) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x938408) pushmark
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x9384c8) const? PV (0x939198) "x"
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x938488) const? PV (0x939108) "y"
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x9383c0) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x938370) padrange [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x938508) padav [1]
>? ? COP (0x93afe8) nextstate
>? ? LISTOP (0x93b080) rename [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x93b048) null [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x93b100) padav [1]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x93b0c8) undef
>-e syntax OK
>
>Perl sees @files as a container,? rename is looking for 2 arguments,
>whatever they may be.
>
>
>(I doubt my last example will do what you want it to do...)
>
>On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Michael R. Davis via Houston
><houston at pm.org> wrote:
>> Perl Mongers,
>> Is this a bug in rename?? I googled but did not find anything off the top.
>>
>> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
>> Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
>> Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
>>
>> But this works fine.
>>
>> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0], $files[1]);'
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> mrdvt92
>>
>> $ perl -v
>> This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi
>> Copyright 1987-2007, Larry Wall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
>-- 
>Best Regards,
>[Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
>C 360.920.7183
>H 757.304.0502
>
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>Houston mailing list
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From damonhastings at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 18 13:56:40 2014
From: damonhastings at yahoo.com (Damon Hastings)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2014 13:56:40 -0700
Subject: [pm-h] Perl rename bug?
In-Reply-To: <CAE9aZ0-euxnJgvE++x0fvTyAQYcYnnaaaTg2qM2icWQunXsN8Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1408392226.43012.YahooMailNeo@web121002.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAE9aZ0-euxnJgvE++x0fvTyAQYcYnnaaaTg2qM2icWQunXsN8Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1408395400.74656.YahooMailNeo@web181306.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I'm guessing they did this as a safety feature; accepting a single container parameter could be bug-prone.? Many other perl functions have similar safeguards (I assume implemented via prototypes.)



On Monday, August 18, 2014 3:41 PM, Perl Developer via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:
 

>
>
>Michael,
>
>I see why you might consider this a bug, but I do not believe that it
>is.? Further, I do not believe this is a prototype issue? Consider,
>
>
>bash-4.2$? perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
>Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
>-e had compilation errors.
>LISTOP (0x20b8128) leave [1]
>? ? OP (0x20b7fc8) enter
>? ? COP (0x20b8170) nextstate
>? ? BINOP (0x20b81d0) aassign [2]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b5430) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b53f8) pushmark
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b54b8) const? PV (0x20b6188) "x"
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b5478) const? PV (0x20b60f8) "y"
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b53b0) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b5360) padrange [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b54f8) padav [1]
>? ? COP (0x20b8010) nextstate
>? ? LISTOP (0x20b80a8) rename [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x20b8070) null [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x20b80f0) padav [1]
>
>bash-4.2$? perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0],
>$files[1]);'
>LISTOP (0x20b9138) leave [1]
>? ? OP (0x20b8e90) enter
>? ? COP (0x20b9180) nextstate
>? ? BINOP (0x20b91e0) aassign [2]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b6440) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b6408) pushmark
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b64c8) const? PV (0x20b7198) "x"
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x20b6488) const? PV (0x20b7108) "y"
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b63c0) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b6370) padrange [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b6508) padav [1]
>? ? COP (0x20b8ed8) nextstate
>? ? LISTOP (0x20b8f70) rename [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x20b8f38) null [3]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b9078) null [130]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b9100) aelemfast_lex [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b90c0) null [5]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x20b8fb8) null [130]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b9040) aelemfast_lex [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x20b9000) null [5]
>-e syntax OK
>
>Or even:
>
>bash-4.2$? perl -MO=Terse -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files,undef);'
>LISTOP (0x93b138) leave [1]
>? ? OP (0x93afa0) enter
>? ? COP (0x93b180) nextstate
>? ? BINOP (0x93b1e0) aassign [2]
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x938440) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x938408) pushmark
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x9384c8) const? PV (0x939198) "x"
>? ? ? ? ? ? SVOP (0x938488) const? PV (0x939108) "y"
>? ? ? ? UNOP (0x9383c0) null [147]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x938370) padrange [1]
>? ? ? ? ? ? OP (0x938508) padav [1]
>? ? COP (0x93afe8) nextstate
>? ? LISTOP (0x93b080) rename [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x93b048) null [3]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x93b100) padav [1]
>? ? ? ? OP (0x93b0c8) undef
>-e syntax OK
>
>Perl sees @files as a container,? rename is looking for 2 arguments,
>whatever they may be.
>
>
>(I doubt my last example will do what you want it to do...)
>
>On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 4:03 PM, Michael R. Davis via Houston
><houston at pm.org> wrote:
>> Perl Mongers,
>> Is this a bug in rename?? I googled but did not find anything off the top.
>>
>> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename(@files);'
>> Not enough arguments for rename at -e line 1, near "@files)"
>> Execution of -e aborted due to compilation errors.
>>
>> But this works fine.
>>
>> $ perl -e 'my @files=("x", "y"); rename($files[0], $files[1]);'
>>
>> Mike
>>
>> mrdvt92
>>
>> $ perl -v
>> This is perl, v5.10.0 built for x86_64-linux-thread-multi
>> Copyright 1987-2007, Larry Wall
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
>
>-- 
>Best Regards,
>[Joseph] Christian Werner Sr
>C 360.920.7183
>H 757.304.0502
>
>_______________________________________________
>Houston mailing list
>Houston at pm.org
>http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Aug 21 18:10:16 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2014 20:10:16 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] September Call for Presentations
Message-ID: <20140821201016.6c70bc62@cygnus>

Hi all,

It's that time again. Our next meeting is Thursday, September 11 at
cPanel.

* Does anyone have a topic they would like to present?
  - A topic you are expert in?
  - A project you are working on?
  - A cool hack you would like to show off?
* Does anyone have a topic they would like to see?
* Any topics from https://github.com/estrabd/houston-pm-topics-list
  strike your fancy?  

G. Wade
-- 
Trying to outsmart a compiler defeats much of the purpose of using one.
                                 -- Brian Kernighan and P.J. Plauger

From toddr at cpanel.net  Thu Aug 21 20:20:44 2014
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2014 05:20:44 +0200
Subject: [pm-h] September Call for Presentations
In-Reply-To: <20140821201016.6c70bc62@cygnus>
References: <20140821201016.6c70bc62@cygnus>
Message-ID: <BF15C70F-32B7-4944-A742-85B703CEF33D@cpanel.net>

I'll add a 5-10 minute YAPC::EU wrapup to whatever talk if anyone's interested.

Todd

On Aug 22, 2014, at 3:10 AM, G. Wade Johnson via Houston <houston at pm.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> It's that time again. Our next meeting is Thursday, September 11 at
> cPanel.
> 
> * Does anyone have a topic they would like to present?
>  - A topic you are expert in?
>  - A project you are working on?
>  - A cool hack you would like to show off?
> * Does anyone have a topic they would like to see?
> * Any topics from https://github.com/estrabd/houston-pm-topics-list
>  strike your fancy?  
> 
> G. Wade
> -- 
> Trying to outsmart a compiler defeats much of the purpose of using one.
>                                 -- Brian Kernighan and P.J. Plauger
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Aug 24 16:32:11 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2014 18:32:11 -0500
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From dan at danrichman.com  Thu Aug 28 14:40:32 2014
From: dan at danrichman.com (Dan Richman)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 17:40:32 -0400
Subject: [pm-h] Part-time perl help needed
Message-ID: <D26664FF-F817-4A7C-A50B-C669BA17F07D@danrichman.com>

Hi folks -

Got a server feeding data to a mobile app. Server uses perl to gather NFL/college football game info & do some data transformations. 

Code is written, but need someone to help with minor details that come up & monitor data collection daemons & such.  It?s all in Perl & the database is MySQL.

This is sort of an "as needed" type deal. Not sure how long it will last -- I'd guess minimally a few months.  VERY flexible.  Client pays $60/hour.

Let me know if interested!  Just email dan at ryktr.com.
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Aug 28 18:27:13 2014
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2014 20:27:13 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Topic for next meeting
Message-ID: <20140828202713.19117298@cygnus>

The next meeting is in two weeks at cPanel and no one has actually
volunteered to present.

If you have an interest in presenting, now would be a good time to let
us know.

G. Wade
-- 
To vacillate or not to vacillate, that is the question ... or is it?