From will.willis at gmail.com  Tue May  1 07:14:01 2012
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:14:01 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm Meeting
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How about doing brief demos, or  comparisons between the various  cloud
services with perl support. Stackato, dotcloud, and heroku are a few that
come to mind.

How their clients and environments work, release management, etc...

Apart from perl we could discuss the cloud in general: Why put your app in
the cloud, Why chose one service over the other, cloud best practices,
horror stories, etc...

Will
On Apr 30, 2012 10:59 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> Any ideas for the May meeting in a week and a half (May 10)?
>
> G. Wade
> --
> The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience,
> and Hubris.                                               -- Larry Wall
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From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 07:38:02 2012
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:38:02 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm Meeting
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If you're willing to indulge me yet again I am giving a talk at YAPC::NA on that very topic.

Mark

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:

> How about doing brief demos, or  comparisons between the various  cloud services with perl support. Stackato, dotcloud, and heroku are a few that come to mind.
> 
> How their clients and environments work, release management, etc...
> 
> Apart from perl we could discuss the cloud in general: Why put your app in the cloud, Why chose one service over the other, cloud best practices, horror stories, etc...
> 
> Will
> 
> On Apr 30, 2012 10:59 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
> Any ideas for the May meeting in a week and a half (May 10)?
> 
> G. Wade
> --
> The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience,
> and Hubris.                                               -- Larry Wall
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
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> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Tue May  1 07:39:20 2012
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 09:39:20 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm Meeting
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Sorry for the spam but my talk is only supposed to be 20 minutes. So if some one had a backup talk that would be good...

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2012, at 9:38 AM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you're willing to indulge me yet again I am giving a talk at YAPC::NA on that very topic.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> How about doing brief demos, or  comparisons between the various  cloud services with perl support. Stackato, dotcloud, and heroku are a few that come to mind.
>> 
>> How their clients and environments work, release management, etc...
>> 
>> Apart from perl we could discuss the cloud in general: Why put your app in the cloud, Why chose one service over the other, cloud best practices, horror stories, etc...
>> 
>> Will
>> 
>> On Apr 30, 2012 10:59 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:
>> Any ideas for the May meeting in a week and a half (May 10)?
>> 
>> G. Wade
>> --
>> The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience,
>> and Hubris.                                               -- Larry Wall
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Houston mailing list
>> Houston at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
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From mikeflan at att.net  Tue May  1 16:36:07 2012
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Tue, 01 May 2012 18:36:07 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm on Google+
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Houston.pm is fairly big on Google+:
http://szabgab.com/facebook-vs-google-plus-for-perl-projects.html


Mike


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue May  1 20:39:07 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 22:39:07 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm Meeting
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On Mon, 30 Apr 2012 22:59:22 -0500
"G. Wade Johnson" <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> Any ideas for the May meeting in a week and a half (May 10)?

Of course, the same day I sent this out I was asked to do some
presentations on unit testing in Perl (above the level of my normal
intro talk).

Would anyone be interested in either of:

* Effective Unit Testing tools in Perl 
* How to assess if you're testing everything

G. Wade
-- 
If a cluttered desk is the sign of a cluttered mind, what is the
significance of a clean desk?                  -- Laurence J. Peter

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu May  3 05:06:57 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 3 May 2012 07:06:57 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] May Houston.pm Meeting
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On Tue, 1 May 2012 09:38:02 -0500
Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> If you're willing to indulge me yet again I am giving a talk at
> YAPC::NA on that very topic.

Sounds like we have a topic and a volunteer.

If we've got time after the talk, this could lead to a discussion of
experiences and war stories on the topic.

G. Wade

> Mark
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 1, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > How about doing brief demos, or  comparisons between the various
> > cloud services with perl support. Stackato, dotcloud, and heroku
> > are a few that come to mind.
> > 
> > How their clients and environments work, release management, etc...
> > 
> > Apart from perl we could discuss the cloud in general: Why put your
> > app in the cloud, Why chose one service over the other, cloud best
> > practices, horror stories, etc...


-- 
A product's only late once, but it can suck forever.
                                     -- Ben Spees, Ambrosia Software

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon May  7 05:29:49 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 07:29:49 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm May meeting: Perl Platform as a Service Shootout
Message-ID: <20120507072949.2dcbc6c1@cygnus>

Mark Allen presents his YAPC::NA talk comparing cloud computing
services for the May Houston.pm meeting this Thursday (May 10). The
presentation will begin at 7pm at 3131 W. Alabama, as usual.

Someone will be available in the lobby between 6:40pm and
7pm. We'll go up to the meeting together. As always, there is free
parking on top of the parking garage.

Hope to see you there.
G. Wade
-- 
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

From cblanc at dionysius.com  Mon May 21 14:25:45 2012
From: cblanc at dionysius.com (chris blanc)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 16:25:45 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl 5.16.0 Released
Message-ID: <CALMN4Yr=x9ft41djPVB-Q2COPu+bCXxGv2O_fkcyrm8kbnZRbQ@mail.gmail.com>

http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/05/21/2020223/perl-5160-released

Slashdot asks: "With Perl on an annual release schedule, and projects
like Mojolicious, Dancer, perlbrew, Plack, and Moose continuing to
gain in popularity, are we in the middle of a Perl renaissance?"

-- 
http://www.dionysius.com/

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon May 21 16:00:07 2012
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 18:00:07 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] June Technical Meeting
Message-ID: <20120521180007.371e96d4@cygnus>

We will need to delay the Houston.pm June Technical meeting by a week.

YAPC::NA has been moved earlier than usual this year, so that it
overlaps our normal second Thursday meeting time. Since I'm aware of a
substantial number of the people that normally attend our meetings will
actually be at YAPC.

I apologize for any confusion that this change may cause.
G. Wade
-- 
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. 
Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by
definition, not smart enough to debug it.     -- Brian W. Kernighan

From mrallen1 at yahoo.com  Mon May 21 21:04:54 2012
From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 21:04:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [pm-h] Perl 5.16.0 Released
In-Reply-To: <CALMN4Yr=x9ft41djPVB-Q2COPu+bCXxGv2O_fkcyrm8kbnZRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALMN4Yr=x9ft41djPVB-Q2COPu+bCXxGv2O_fkcyrm8kbnZRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1337659494.60059.YahooMailNeo@web164602.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

This being Slashdot, of course the discussion had to revolve around about the status of Perl 6, why Perl is dead anyway, and how superior programming language X is to Perl.

Typical Slashdot comment fare.? But it's nice someone submitted the story and it was posted.

Mark



________________________________
 From: chris blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com>
To: houston at pm.org 
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 4:25 PM
Subject: [pm-h] Perl 5.16.0 Released
 
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/05/21/2020223/perl-5160-released

Slashdot asks: "With Perl on an annual release schedule, and projects
like Mojolicious, Dancer, perlbrew, Plack, and Moose continuing to
gain in popularity, are we in the middle of a Perl renaissance?"

-- 
http://www.dionysius.com/
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From estrabd at gmail.com  Mon May 21 21:23:03 2012
From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade)
Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 23:23:03 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] Perl 5.16.0 Released
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On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 11:04 PM, Mark Allen <mrallen1 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> This being Slashdot, of course the discussion had to revolve around about
> the status of Perl 6, why Perl is dead anyway, and how superior programming
> language X is to Perl.
>

Perl 6's biggest problem is that it's called Perl 6. It's not Perl and It
should have been called something else. That it's not is a huge problem. I
think Perl 5's next major version number really needs to be Perl 7. Maybe
call Perl 6 something like purlsicks or something of the like.

The perl "utility" evolved directly as a result of the Unix ecosystem upon
which it was born; I don't even like calling Perl a language (it's a
utility that has a very rich scripting interface), and pretending that it
is a formalizable language (which is what Perl 6 attempts) is a big reason
why people think it's a failed project.  Perl has a lot of problems, most
of it legacy baggage, but there is nothing else out there that gives Unix a
better scripting interface.  No other "language" is as tightly tied to Unix
as Perl; any other that you mention is meant to be a language not a tool
like Perl.  It's easy for the likes of Python and Ruby, for example, to
ignore their host OS's principles so thoroughly - not Perl for better or
worse (I say better).

At the very least, it's been a rich source of ideas for Perl 5 and I do
hope it develops into its own feature and stable platform. It will never
replace Perl 5, though.


>
> Typical Slashdot comment fare.  But it's nice someone submitted the story
> and it was posted.
>
>
Isn't Slashdot a Perl app? :)

Brett


> Mark
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* chris blanc <cblanc at dionysius.com>
> *To:* houston at pm.org
> *Sent:* Monday, May 21, 2012 4:25 PM
> *Subject:* [pm-h] Perl 5.16.0 Released
>
> http://developers.slashdot.org/story/12/05/21/2020223/perl-5160-released
>
> Slashdot asks: "With Perl on an annual release schedule, and projects
> like Mojolicious, Dancer, perlbrew, Plack, and Moose continuing to
> gain in popularity, are we in the middle of a Perl renaissance?"
>
> --
> http://www.dionysius.com/
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>
>
>
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