From abaezjob at gmail.com Sat Oct 1 20:00:38 2011 From: abaezjob at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Abraham_B=E1ez?=) Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2011 22:00:38 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] October Houston.pm Technical meeting In-Reply-To: <20110929220425.1cfeb614@cygnus> References: <20110929220425.1cfeb614@cygnus> Message-ID: I plan to attend On Thu, Sep 29, 2011 at 10:04 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Reini Urban has volunteered to present for the October meeting. The > topic is a basic introduction to the Perl compiler. > > A number of you may not have been aware that Perl had a compiler. Most > people are content to use Perl in its normal compile/execute mode. > Because people had use cases that would benefit from building an > executable from their Perl code, a Perl compiler was built years ago. > > Recently Reini has been taking the old compiler code and updating it to > support more current Perls. > > In this talk, Reini will cover > > * basic usage of the compiler and its current status > * the different "phases" of in the lifetime of Perl code > * some understanding of Perl OPs and what the compiler does with them > > He will also answer questions like: > > * How big will my compiled code be? > * What will the program include at compile-time, what is deferred to > run-time? > > This meeting will be more technical than usual, but it's a rare > opportunity to talk with someone who understands Perl's internals. You > really don't want to miss it. > > As always, our meeting will begin around 7pm on the second Thursday of > the month, October 13. We will meet at the normal location, 3131 W. > Alabama. > > Please let me know if you plan to attend, so I can be certain of the > food order. > > I look forward to seeing you there. > G. Wade > -- > Trying to outsmart a compiler defeats much of the purpose of using one. > -- Brian Kernighan and P.J. Plauger > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -- Abraham Baez 281.821.0101 Cellular "Abraham Baez" < abaezjob at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From estrabd at gmail.com Sun Oct 2 18:10:16 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Sun, 2 Oct 2011 20:10:16 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [SDF] Plan9 Boot Camp 15-OCT-11 In-Reply-To: <201110021827.p92IRaHX014263@sdf.org> References: <201110021827.p92IRaHX014263@sdf.org> Message-ID: If you are a Freeshell/SDF member and interested in Plan9, you may be interested in this. Brett ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Stephen M. Jones Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM Subject: [SDF] Plan9 Boot Camp 15-OCT-11 To: When: ?Saturday October 15th @ 18:00 UTC ? ? ? Local times are: ?Japan ? ? ?3AM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? US PDT ? ?11AM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? US EDT ? ? 2PM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Iceland ? ?6PM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? UK ? ? ? ? 7PM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Berlin ? ? 8PM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? .. et cetera Duration: ?Approximately 2 hours. To participate in the BootCamp you will need: - An internet connection (768kbps or better) - An account on vps2.sdf.org ?(Request one now if you have not already) - A computer with an ssh client, drawterm client and web browser ?Drawterm client is available here: ?http://swtch.com/drawterm/ - A 3 button mouse - Preview of http://sdf.org/?tutorials/VPS_Plan9 The spoken overview will be via the VoIP conference bridge 1086 on sip.sdf.org If you do not have a VoIP extension, they are available by typing 'maint' at the shell. Other channels where examples will be shown as well as links to videos and webpages will be done via 'com' in the 'plan9' room. Alternative channels include irc.sdf.org #plan9 and jabber.sdf.org #plan9 From erin at morderwerk.de Mon Oct 3 05:12:45 2011 From: erin at morderwerk.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Erin_Sch=F6nhals?=) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 07:12:45 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [SDF] Plan9 Boot Camp 15-OCT-11 In-Reply-To: References: <201110021827.p92IRaHX014263@sdf.org> Message-ID: Wow, thanks for that! I used to have an accuont on sdf.lonestar.org, but that was a dog's age ago. But still, I would love to see acme and sam being used in the hands of masters, in the very least. Is it too late still to sign up? On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 8:10 PM, B. Estrade wrote: > If you are a Freeshell/SDF member and interested in Plan9, you may be > interested in this. > > Brett > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Stephen M. Jones > Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM > Subject: [SDF] Plan9 Boot Camp 15-OCT-11 > To: > > > When: Saturday October 15th @ 18:00 UTC > Local times are: Japan 3AM > US PDT 11AM > US EDT 2PM > Iceland 6PM > UK 7PM > Berlin 8PM > .. et cetera > > Duration: Approximately 2 hours. > > To participate in the BootCamp you will need: > > - An internet connection (768kbps or better) > - An account on vps2.sdf.org (Request one now if you have not already) > - A computer with an ssh client, drawterm client and web browser > Drawterm client is available here: http://swtch.com/drawterm/ > - A 3 button mouse > - Preview of http://sdf.org/?tutorials/VPS_Plan9 > > The spoken overview will be via the VoIP conference bridge 1086 on > sip.sdf.org > If you do not have a VoIP extension, they are available by typing 'maint' > at the shell. > > Other channels where examples will be shown as well as links to videos and > webpages will be done via 'com' in the 'plan9' room. > > Alternative channels include irc.sdf.org #plan9 and jabber.sdf.org #plan9 > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jones >> Date: Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 1:27 PM >> Subject: [SDF] Plan9 Boot Camp 15-OCT-11 >> To: >> >> >> When: Saturday October 15th @ 18:00 UTC >> Local times are: Japan 3AM >> US PDT 11AM >> US EDT 2PM >> Iceland 6PM >> UK 7PM >> Berlin 8PM >> .. et cetera >> >> Duration: Approximately 2 hours. >> >> To participate in the BootCamp you will need: >> >> - An internet connection (768kbps or better) >> - An account on vps2.sdf.org (Request one now if you have not already) >> - A computer with an ssh client, drawterm client and web browser >> Drawterm client is available here: http://swtch.com/drawterm/ >> - A 3 button mouse >> - Preview of http://sdf.org/?tutorials/VPS_Plan9 >> >> The spoken overview will be via the VoIP conference bridge 1086 on >> sip.sdf.org >> If you do not have a VoIP extension, they are available by typing 'maint' >> at the shell. >> >> Other channels where examples will be shown as well as links to videos and >> webpages will be done via 'com' in the 'plan9' room. >> >> Alternative channels include irc.sdf.org #plan9 and jabber.sdf.org #plan9 >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From robo4288 at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 20:20:18 2011 From: robo4288 at gmail.com (Robert Boone) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:20:18 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Find "bad" words In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-3535280017941967679@unknownmsgid> http://search.cpan.org/~abigail/Regexp-Common-2011041701/lib/Regexp/Common/profanity.pm Sent from my iPad On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Will Willis wrote: > Does anyone know of a module that will identify bad words in a string of text? My aim is to replace all occurrences of say, "britches" with ********, etc... > > I recall going through a module that did just this several years ago, but for the life of me I can't find it on CPAN. > > Thanks, > Will > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From will.willis at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 20:54:48 2011 From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 22:54:48 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Find "bad" words In-Reply-To: <-3535280017941967679@unknownmsgid> References: <-3535280017941967679@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: That's it! Thanks Robert! On Oct 3, 2011 10:21 PM, "Robert Boone" wrote: > http://search.cpan.org/~abigail/Regexp-Common-2011041701/lib/Regexp/Common/profanity.pm > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 3, 2011, at 10:04 PM, Will Willis wrote: > >> Does anyone know of a module that will identify bad words in a string of text? My aim is to replace all occurrences of say, "britches" with ********, etc... >> >> I recall going through a module that did just this several years ago, but for the life of me I can't find it on CPAN. >> >> Thanks, >> Will >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From estrabd at gmail.com Mon Oct 3 21:57:28 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2011 23:57:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Fwd: [SDF] IWP9 Conference Deadline Oct-10th In-Reply-To: <201110040403.p9443pSu022650@sdf.org> References: <201110040403.p9443pSu022650@sdf.org> Message-ID: Not Perl, but perhaps of interest. Brett B. Estrade ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: "Stephen M. Jones" Date: Oct 3, 2011 11:03 PM Subject: [SDF] IWP9 Conference Deadline Oct-10th To: This message is for all those participating in the Plan9 Boot Camp on Oct 15th here on SDF. I want to remind you that the International WorkShop on Plan9 which is being held in Madrid, Spain at Universidad Rey Juan Carlos has a deadline for attendees (physical and virtual) of October 10th. What I hope you'll do is notify them that you intend to attend by that date. The Registration address is iwp9reg at lsub.org To register, just send ONE LINE: Your Name, Affiliation and Email address For Affliation be sure to say 'sdf.org'. Last year we had a few attendees, I hope to also have a larger presence this year. The workshop is October 20th and 21st and will be video streamed. More information can be found at http://iwp9.org I will also mention the IWP9 on the 15th, but I want to make sure those you wish to attend will also register before the 10th. Stephen -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue Oct 4 21:03:28 2011 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 23:03:28 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Group project Message-ID: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> Ben Thomas and I have been discussing an idea for an ongoing project for the Houston.pm group, and I want to put the idea before the group for consideration. The Perl Cookbook is now 8 years old. Despite that fact, the recipes and examples are still quite good. Unfortunately, some were written in a style that is no longer considered best practice. What if we began updating the recipes? Any given task is relatively self-contained and understandable. One or more members of the group could propose new solutions (or even complete new recipes) and, as a group, we could refine them or just critique the recipes. People who want to hone their skills (or know of a sweet solution to a particular problem) can generate a recipe. Others can help refine the results to be the best we can come up with. We could even keep the recipes under version control, say at github.com, so that anyone has the opportunity to modify the code. Would we be interested in such a project? This could also be an ongoing solution to the presentation problem. If no one is willing to present, we could devote the meeting to a few recipes. These would be "hands-on" or hack-a-thon type meetings, where people could get input on their recipes or comment on the recipes of others. Let me know what you think. G. Wade PS. For those of you worried about the copyright issues, I'm in contact with O'Reilly through our User Group contact. We're discussing how to make this work. -- They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. -- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" From mrallen1 at yahoo.com Wed Oct 5 07:09:41 2011 From: mrallen1 at yahoo.com (Mark Allen) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 07:09:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [pm-h] Group project In-Reply-To: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> References: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> Message-ID: <1317823781.7269.YahooMailNeo@web65807.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> I love the idea.? I'd also like to throw out that the YAPC::NA group is working on a Plack port/cleanup of the ACT conference software. ? That would make for a nice Houston.pm group project too.? Mark ________________________________ From: G. Wade Johnson To: Houston Perl Mongers Sent: Tuesday, October 4, 2011 11:03 PM Subject: [pm-h] Group project Ben Thomas and I have been discussing an idea for an ongoing project for the Houston.pm group, and I want to put the idea before the group for consideration. The Perl Cookbook is now 8 years old. Despite that fact, the recipes and examples are still quite good. Unfortunately, some were written in a style that is no longer considered best practice. What if we began updating the recipes? Any given task is relatively self-contained and understandable. One or more members of the group could propose new solutions (or even complete new recipes) and, as a group, we could refine them or just critique the recipes. People who want to hone their skills (or know of a sweet solution to a particular problem) can generate a recipe. Others can help refine the results to be the best we can come up with. We could even keep the recipes under version control, say at github.com, so that anyone has the opportunity to modify the code. Would we be interested in such a project? This could also be an ongoing solution to the presentation problem. If no one is willing to present, we could devote the meeting to a few recipes. These would be "hands-on" or hack-a-thon type meetings, where people could get input on their recipes or comment on the recipes of others. Let me know what you think. G. Wade PS. For those of you worried about the copyright issues, I'm in contact with O'Reilly through our User Group contact. We're discussing how to make this work. -- They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? -- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From estrabd at gmail.com Wed Oct 5 09:02:17 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 11:02:17 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Group project In-Reply-To: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> References: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> Message-ID: <20111005160217.GF46208@x2045.x.rootbsd.net> On Tue, Oct 04, 2011 at 11:03:28PM -0500, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Ben Thomas and I have been discussing an idea for an ongoing project > for the Houston.pm group, and I want to put the idea before the group > for consideration. > > The Perl Cookbook is now 8 years old. Despite that fact, the recipes > and examples are still quite good. Unfortunately, some were written in > a style that is no longer considered best practice. > > What if we began updating the recipes? Any given task is relatively > self-contained and understandable. One or more members of the group > could propose new solutions (or even complete new recipes) and, as a > group, we could refine them or just critique the recipes. > > People who want to hone their skills (or know of a sweet solution to a > particular problem) can generate a recipe. Others can help refine the > results to be the best we can come up with. We could even keep the > recipes under version control, say at github.com, so that anyone has > the opportunity to modify the code. > > Would we be interested in such a project? > > This could also be an ongoing solution to the presentation problem. If > no one is willing to present, we could devote the meeting to a few > recipes. These would be "hands-on" or hack-a-thon type meetings, where > people could get input on their recipes or comment on the recipes of > others. > > Let me know what you think. > G. Wade > > PS. For those of you worried about the copyright issues, I'm in contact > with O'Reilly through our User Group contact. We're discussing how to > make this work. I think this is a grand idea. I wonder, for "future proofing" the process, not only might we want to have it on Github, but a "stackoverflow" or Yahoo Answeres type of interface comes to mind so that multiple solutions could be proposed and voted on. This will make it possible for the "cookbook" to evolve over time and to provide for multiple delicious solutions. Good cookbooks provide multiple recipes for the same dish, and often have space for home cooks to add their own special family recipes. It would be nice to see various solutions - some "modern", some wizardly, some examples of what NOT to do. A problem might be, how to match this interface with the source code. Because we obviously shouldn't have to maintain two versions of the same exact solution. Another idea to manage the work is to present a weekly recipe to create or improve - sort of like the old weekly Perl Quiz of the Week or Perl Golf challenges used to work. For validation purposes, there could be a provided data set and require a standard way to ingest this data set (e.g., via STDIN). This would allow some auto-proving to take place. Verified solutions could be presented at the end of the week and voted on. I think that before we know it, we might have built ourselves a mighty fine library. Brett > -- > They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. > -- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -- B. Estrade From rasto at cm4msaa7.com Wed Oct 5 12:10:33 2011 From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham) Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2011 14:10:33 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Group project In-Reply-To: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> References: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> Message-ID: Sounds interesting. On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 11:03 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Ben Thomas and I have been discussing an idea for an ongoing project > for the Houston.pm group, and I want to put the idea before the group > for consideration. > > The Perl Cookbook is now 8 years old. Despite that fact, the recipes > and examples are still quite good. Unfortunately, some were written in > a style that is no longer considered best practice. > > What if we began updating the recipes? Any given task is relatively > self-contained and understandable. One or more members of the group > could propose new solutions (or even complete new recipes) and, as a > group, we could refine them or just critique the recipes. > > People who want to hone their skills (or know of a sweet solution to a > particular problem) can generate a recipe. Others can help refine the > results to be the best we can come up with. We could even keep the > recipes under version control, say at github.com, so that anyone has > the opportunity to modify the code. > > Would we be interested in such a project? > > This could also be an ongoing solution to the presentation problem. If > no one is willing to present, we could devote the meeting to a few > recipes. These would be "hands-on" or hack-a-thon type meetings, where > people could get input on their recipes or comment on the recipes of > others. > > Let me know what you think. > G. Wade > > PS. For those of you worried about the copyright issues, I'm in contact > with O'Reilly through our User Group contact. We're discussing how to > make this work. > -- > They made a very satisfying thump when they hit the floor. > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?-- G'Kar - "A Late Delivery from Avalon" > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > From mikeflan at att.net Thu Oct 6 07:01:09 2011 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 09:01:09 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Group project In-Reply-To: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> References: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> Message-ID: <4E8DB4A5.5030305@att.net> On 10/4/2011 11:03 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Ben Thomas and I have been discussing an idea for an ongoing project > for the Houston.pm group, and I want to put the idea before the group > for consideration. > > The Perl Cookbook is now 8 years old. Despite that fact, the recipes > and examples are still quite good. Unfortunately, some were written in > a style that is no longer considered best practice. > > What if we began updating the recipes? Any given task is relatively > self-contained and understandable. One or more members of the group > could propose new solutions (or even complete new recipes) and, as a > group, we could refine them or just critique the recipes. > > People who want to hone their skills (or know of a sweet solution to a > particular problem) can generate a recipe. Others can help refine the > results to be the best we can come up with. We could even keep the > recipes under version control, say at github.com, so that anyone has > the opportunity to modify the code. > > Would we be interested in such a project? > > This could also be an ongoing solution to the presentation problem. If > no one is willing to present, we could devote the meeting to a few > recipes. These would be "hands-on" or hack-a-thon type meetings, where > people could get input on their recipes or comment on the recipes of > others. > > Let me know what you think. > G. Wade > > PS. For those of you worried about the copyright issues, I'm in contact > with O'Reilly through our User Group contact. We're discussing how to > make this work. I like this idea also. It's going to take some up-front work. Get somebody on that soon :-) I have the Cookbook - basically the first edition with 2 corrections though 5/1999. I use it quite often. So we are talking about rewriting the entire script of the recipes, not just the code part. That sounds good to me. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Oct 6 16:28:05 2011 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2011 18:28:05 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Group project In-Reply-To: <4E8DB4A5.5030305@att.net> References: <20111004230328.0f59e3cd@cygnus> <4E8DB4A5.5030305@att.net> Message-ID: <20111006182805.35d09127@cygnus> On Thu, 06 Oct 2011 09:01:09 -0500 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > On 10/4/2011 11:03 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > Ben Thomas and I have been discussing an idea for an ongoing project > > for the Houston.pm group, and I want to put the idea before the > > group for consideration. > > > > The Perl Cookbook is now 8 years old. Despite that fact, the recipes > > and examples are still quite good. Unfortunately, some were written > > in a style that is no longer considered best practice. > > > > What if we began updating the recipes? Any given task is relatively > > self-contained and understandable. One or more members of the group > > could propose new solutions (or even complete new recipes) and, as a > > group, we could refine them or just critique the recipes. > > > > People who want to hone their skills (or know of a sweet solution > > to a particular problem) can generate a recipe. Others can help > > refine the results to be the best we can come up with. We could > > even keep the recipes under version control, say at github.com, so > > that anyone has the opportunity to modify the code. > > > > Would we be interested in such a project? > > > > This could also be an ongoing solution to the presentation problem. > > If no one is willing to present, we could devote the meeting to a > > few recipes. These would be "hands-on" or hack-a-thon type > > meetings, where people could get input on their recipes or comment > > on the recipes of others. > > > > Let me know what you think. > > G. Wade > > > > PS. For those of you worried about the copyright issues, I'm in > > contact with O'Reilly through our User Group contact. We're > > discussing how to make this work. > > > I like this idea also. It's going to take > some up-front work. Get somebody on that soon :-) Yes, sir. > I have the Cookbook - basically the first edition > with 2 corrections though 5/1999. I use it quite > often. > > So we are talking about rewriting the entire script > of the recipes, not just the code part. That > sounds good to me. The original idea had been to focus mostly on bringing the code into current practice. Maybe adding some text to explain the changes. Now it looks like we may be able to update text and add new recipes. O'Reilly seems quite interested in the idea of a community-driven site that collects and updates recipes. They may be able to provide resources for hosting and such. G. Wade > > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -- There are two ways of constructing a software design: One way is to make it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies and the other way is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies. -- C. A. R. Hoare From estrabd at gmail.com Tue Oct 11 07:46:22 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2011 09:46:22 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] dart "hello, world" compiled to Javascript Message-ID: <20111011144622.GD94240@x2045.x.rootbsd.net> The webz are abuzz.. https://gist.github.com/1277224 I suppose this is what you get when your compilation target is low-level Javascript. More on the Dart hate: http://blogs.perl.org/users/rafael_garcia-suarez/2011/10/why-dart-is-not-the-language-of-the-future.html I actually have no opinion at this moment, hopefully this fad will pass before I have form one. I would keep an eye on Go, however. I suppose If it's got nothing else, it has an impressive pedigree. Brett -- B. Estrade From zappepcs at gmail.com Thu Oct 13 15:30:20 2011 From: zappepcs at gmail.com (S Z) Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:30:20 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] OT: Job opportunities in Houston (energy corridor area) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am NOT a recruiter etc. Just sharing the info. =================================== Subject: OT: Job opportunities in Houston (energy corridor area) There is an opportunity for up to 3 perl coders with a 6+ month contract in the Houston area. If anyone is interested, let me know. Moving perl 4/5 code from Unix/Sybase to CentOS/TSQL solid work if you want it just shout out on the list and we'll go from there Cheers Mr Z -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From estrabd at gmail.com Wed Oct 19 05:55:53 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2011 07:55:53 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] dynamic language concurrency support and the NWO Message-ID: <20111019125553.GD9709@x2045.x.rootbsd.net> You could replace the original language with most other scripting languages (Python, Ruby, etc); but here is an example of sub-par concurrency control causing the language to be dropped for Go in a fairly high-profile way. http://blogs.perl.org/users/philip_durbin/2011/10/perl-dropped-and-go-adopted-due-to-concurrency-issues-in-baconbird.html Original post: http://synflood.at/blog/index.php?/archives/791-Rebooting-the-baconbird-project.html When I presented Qore at the September PM meeting, it was to say - "look a Perlish language that supports real threading/Wouldn't it be great if Perl did this, too?" To be fair, Go is a different beast. It's a 3rd generation distributed language built with lessons learned after (C), Aleph, and Limbo (hello Plan 9, again). Go's recently been ported to Plan 9 on the BlueGene architecture (https://twitter.com/#!/ibm_ericvh/status/103547803837534209). BlueGene's a hybrid architecture that has different runmodes base on if you're running a serial, MPI-ish, or SMP type job. It also has several communication networks for message passing (i.e., scatter/gather, point-to-point) and I/O. Using this sort of environment efficiently is the type of problem Plan 9 has been looking to solve since it's inception - and Go is the latest piece of that puzzle. However, Go is not the first one to play in this space; it still has to compete with the tradition (OpenMP, MPI) and the emerging HPCS winner, Cray's Chapel. I digress. Go is also playing a role Google, and by that fact alone will continue to attract a fanbase - hopefully stealing from Python and Ruby (and not Perl :). None of the above are Perl, and it will continue to weather the storm. However, back to my original point. It occurs to me that people are much more ready to make excuses for Perl's lack of threading than to simply admit that something needs to be done. My hope is to make some people be able to face this truth and realize that when people talk of threads and concurrency, the are talking about wanting to build interesting things using efficient threading - forking or event-drive asynchrony simply will not do for these people (myself included). In my talk, I claimed that any scripting language that doesn't properly support threading and concurrency will find itself not very popular on many-core machines. It'll instead exist as a sysadmin's tool where threading isn't that important because heavy forking is acceptable (i.e., the famous retort, "Why is forking is not an option?"; these languages will also have a place in one of many single-cpu virtual machines that most people seem to be using many-core machines for anyway. Real applications can fill up such a machine, but they have to be threaded. And if people don't start demanding that Perl's concurrency offerings get with the times, then Perl will no longer be used to develop so many interesting applications on real (not virtual) many-core machines. Please share your thoughts; I don't want to be this a single minded rant driven by my love for Perl and my inability to marry it to my interest in shared memory programming :) Thank you, Brett -- B. Estrade From estrabd at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 08:55:31 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 10:55:31 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] [duff@pobox.com: Announce: Rakudo Perl 6 compiler development release #45 ("Houston")] Message-ID: <20111021155531.GD20101@x2045.x.rootbsd.net> Nice shout out! Brett :) ----- Forwarded message from Jonathan Scott Duff ----- Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 00:48:58 -0500 Subject: Announce: Rakudo Perl 6 compiler development release #45 ("Houston") From: Jonathan Scott Duff To: perl6-compiler On behalf of the Rakudo development team, I'm happy to announce the October 2011 release of Rakudo Perl #45 "Houston". Rakudo is an implementation of Perl 6 on the Parrot Virtual Machine (see ). The tarball for this release is available from . Please note: This announcement is not for the Rakudo Star distribution[*] -- it's announcing a new release of the compiler only. For the latest Rakudo Star release, see . The Rakudo Perl compiler follows a monthly release cycle, with each release named after a Perl Mongers group. The October 2011 release is code named after the Houston Perl Mongers because Houston is a large city in Texas and because Perl 6 could always use more features from Texas. Oh ... and Houston also hosted YAPC::NA 2007 and had a nice Perl 6 hackathon. :-) This compiler release is from the latest development branch of Rakudo. It brings many exciting improvements, but also some regressions, which we are working on. If your primary interest is that your existing code running on Rakudo Perl continues to work, we suggest sticking with the Rakudo Star distribution release for a little longer. If instead you want to play with the latest in Rakudo development - including meta- programming and performance improvements - try this release. Some of the specific changes and improvements occurring with this release include: * Optimizations tuneable from the command line * native types on various operators * Fix start up error when $HOME environment variable isn't set * Fix C3 MRO bug * Start at implementing global matching (m:g//) * Various performance improvements We are still regressed on a few features just as in the previous release. These regressions should be rectified in coming releases. For a more detailed list of changes, see "docs/ChangeLog". The development team thanks all of our contributors and sponsors for making Rakudo Perl possible, as well as those people who worked on Parrot, the Perl 6 test suite and the specification. The following people contributed to this release: Jonathan Worthington, Moritz Lenz, Will "Coke" Coleda, Tadeusz So??nierz, Patrick R. Michaud, Jonathan Scott Duff, Carl Masak, Geoffrey Broadwell, mls, snarkyboojum, gfldex, TimToady, TiMBuS, JimmyZ If you would like to contribute, see , ask on the perl6-compiler at perl.org mailing list, or ask on IRC #perl6 on freenode. The next release of Rakudo (#46) is scheduled for November 17, 2011. A list of the other planned release dates and code names for 2011 is available in the "docs/release_guide.pod" file. In general, Rakudo development releases are scheduled to occur soon after each Parrot monthly release. Parrot releases the third Tuesday of each month. As always ... Have fun! [*] What's the difference between the Rakudo compiler and the Rakudo Star distribution? The Rakudo compiler is just the compiler for the Perl 6 language. Nothing else. The Rakudo Star distribution is the Rakudo compiler plus a selection of useful Perl 6 modules, the most recent incarnation of the "Using Perl 6" book, and other software that can be used with the Rakudo compiler to enchance its utility. Rakudo Star is meant for early adopters who wish to explore what's possible with Rakudo Perl 6 and provide feedback on what works, what doesn't, and what else they would like to see included in the distribution. ----- End forwarded message ----- -- B. Estrade From estrabd at gmail.com Fri Oct 21 20:34:52 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2011 22:34:52 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Google Code-in for ages 13-17 Message-ID: <20111022033452.GK20101@x2045.x.rootbsd.net> Please pass this along to any youngin's you know who might be interested. http://code.google.com/opensource/gci/2011-12/index.html Deadline is November 1st. Brett -- B. Estrade From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 24 20:47:35 2011 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2011 22:47:35 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm technical presentations for Sept and Oct are now on-line Message-ID: <20111024224735.35512b71@cygnus> I have finally shaken loose a little time to post my notes and the presentations for the last two meetings on the Houston.pm site at http://houston.pm.org Sorry it took so long. G. Wade -- No, no, you're not thinking, you're just being logical. -- Neils Bohr From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Oct 26 18:10:58 2011 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:10:58 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Special guest for November Message-ID: <20111026201058.209eef86@cygnus> All the details are not settled yet, but I can finally say that we will have a special guest for November: brian d foy. You may know brian as the author (or co-author) of several Perl books, including /Mastering Perl/, /Learning Perl/, /Intermediate Perl/, and /Effective Perl Programming/. He's the author of numerous Perl modules and a great speaker. Due to scheduling issues, brian will not be available on our normal meeting night (Nov. 10). He will be available on Nov 17. I'd like some input on whether we should just move the meeting, or have two meetings next month. I'd like to hear your opinions (on the list or directly). G. Wade -- That which does not kill me makes me stranger. -- Larry Wall From rasto at cm4msaa7.com Wed Oct 26 18:49:56 2011 From: rasto at cm4msaa7.com (lee latham) Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 20:49:56 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Special guest for November In-Reply-To: <20111026201058.209eef86@cygnus> References: <20111026201058.209eef86@cygnus> Message-ID: wow! definitely going to have to work harder to remember to come :-) lee On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 8:10 PM, G. Wade Johnson wrote: > All the details are not settled yet, but I can finally say that we will > have a special guest for November: brian d foy. > > You may know brian as the author (or co-author) of several Perl books, > including /Mastering Perl/, /Learning Perl/, /Intermediate Perl/, > and /Effective Perl Programming/. He's the author of numerous Perl > modules and a great speaker. > > Due to scheduling issues, brian will not be available on our normal > meeting night (Nov. 10). He will be available on Nov 17. > > I'd like some input on whether we should just move the meeting, or have > two meetings next month. > > I'd like to hear your opinions (on the list or directly). > G. Wade > -- > That which does not kill me makes me stranger. ? ? ? ?-- Larry Wall > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > From todd.e.rinaldo at gmail.com Wed Oct 26 22:42:11 2011 From: todd.e.rinaldo at gmail.com (todd.e.rinaldo) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:42:11 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Special guest for November In-Reply-To: <20111026201058.209eef86@cygnus> References: <20111026201058.209eef86@cygnus> Message-ID: <74D0BBCA-3012-4A39-BFDC-921E0D6E1CBD@gmail.com> One meeting on the 17th seems fine to me. On Oct 26, 2011, at 8:10 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > All the details are not settled yet, but I can finally say that we will > have a special guest for November: brian d foy. > > You may know brian as the author (or co-author) of several Perl books, > including /Mastering Perl/, /Learning Perl/, /Intermediate Perl/, > and /Effective Perl Programming/. He's the author of numerous Perl > modules and a great speaker. > > Due to scheduling issues, brian will not be available on our normal > meeting night (Nov. 10). He will be available on Nov 17. > > I'd like some input on whether we should just move the meeting, or have > two meetings next month. > > I'd like to hear your opinions (on the list or directly). > G. Wade > -- > That which does not kill me makes me stranger. -- Larry Wall > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From will.willis at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 06:01:18 2011 From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:01:18 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Special guest for November In-Reply-To: <74D0BBCA-3012-4A39-BFDC-921E0D6E1CBD@gmail.com> References: <20111026201058.209eef86@cygnus> <74D0BBCA-3012-4A39-BFDC-921E0D6E1CBD@gmail.com> Message-ID: I'm in favor of just moving the meeting to the 17th -Will On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, todd.e.rinaldo wrote: > One meeting on the 17th seems fine to me. > > On Oct 26, 2011, at 8:10 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > > > All the details are not settled yet, but I can finally say that we will > > have a special guest for November: brian d foy. > > > > You may know brian as the author (or co-author) of several Perl books, > > including /Mastering Perl/, /Learning Perl/, /Intermediate Perl/, > > and /Effective Perl Programming/. He's the author of numerous Perl > > modules and a great speaker. > > > > Due to scheduling issues, brian will not be available on our normal > > meeting night (Nov. 10). He will be available on Nov 17. > > > > I'd like some input on whether we should just move the meeting, or have > > two meetings next month. > > > > I'd like to hear your opinions (on the list or directly). > > G. Wade > > -- > > That which does not kill me makes me stranger. -- Larry Wall > > _______________________________________________ > > Houston mailing list > > Houston at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From estrabd at gmail.com Thu Oct 27 06:21:40 2011 From: estrabd at gmail.com (B. Estrade) Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 08:21:40 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Special guest for November In-Reply-To: References: <20111026201058.209eef86@cygnus> <74D0BBCA-3012-4A39-BFDC-921E0D6E1CBD@gmail.com> Message-ID: Me, four. Brett B. Estrade On Oct 27, 2011 8:01 AM, "Will Willis" wrote: > I'm in favor of just moving the meeting to the 17th > > -Will > > On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 12:42 AM, todd.e.rinaldo > wrote: > >> One meeting on the 17th seems fine to me. >> >> On Oct 26, 2011, at 8:10 PM, "G. Wade Johnson" >> wrote: >> >> > All the details are not settled yet, but I can finally say that we will >> > have a special guest for November: brian d foy. >> > >> > You may know brian as the author (or co-author) of several Perl books, >> > including /Mastering Perl/, /Learning Perl/, /Intermediate Perl/, >> > and /Effective Perl Programming/. He's the author of numerous Perl >> > modules and a great speaker. >> > >> > Due to scheduling issues, brian will not be available on our normal >> > meeting night (Nov. 10). He will be available on Nov 17. >> > >> > I'd like some input on whether we should just move the meeting, or have >> > two meetings next month. >> > >> > I'd like to hear your opinions (on the list or directly). >> > G. Wade >> > -- >> > That which does not kill me makes me stranger. -- Larry Wall >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Houston mailing list >> > Houston at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Wade Johnson" wrote: > >> All the details are not settled yet, but I can finally say that we will >> have a special guest for November: brian d foy. >> >> You may know brian as the author (or co-author) of several Perl books, >> including /Mastering Perl/, /Learning Perl/, /Intermediate Perl/, >> and /Effective Perl Programming/. He's the author of numerous Perl >> modules and a great speaker. >> >> Due to scheduling issues, brian will not be available on our normal >> meeting night (Nov. 10). He will be available on Nov 17. >> >> I'd like some input on whether we should just move the meeting, or have >> two meetings next month. >> >> I'd like to hear your opinions (on the list or directly). >> G. Wade >> -- >> That which does not kill me makes me stranger. ? ? ? ?-- Larry Wall >> _______________________________________________ >> Houston mailing list >> Houston at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >> Website: http://houston.pm.org/ >_______________________________________________ >Houston mailing list >Houston at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston >Website: http://houston.pm.org/ > _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Oct 31 05:14:16 2011 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 07:14:16 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] November Meeting Date Message-ID: <20111031071416.122e326a@cygnus> Based on input from the group, we'll be just moving the meeting (for November only) to Thursday the 17th. I'll keep the group posted as I learn more about what brian will present. G. Wade -- It's better to make mistakes in electrons, than in granite. -- Bruce Beasley