From toddr at null.net Fri Jul 3 04:13:06 2009 From: toddr at null.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2009 06:13:06 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] DarkPan Message-ID: <748c25c20907030413t23117c50i92e6d084b68472e4@mail.gmail.com> There are some good articles out recently on DarkPan, which talk about the problems the perl5 language has with legacy code. I won't re-post them here, but it's worth a read. http://perl-toddr.blogspot.com/2009/07/how-we-should-address-darkpan-problem.html http://perl-yarg.blogspot.com/2009/06/darkpan-schmarkpan-stop-meme.html From mikeflan at att.net Sun Jul 5 12:38:07 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:38:07 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Meeting times In-Reply-To: <20090628115513.177e65a6@sovvan> References: <20090628115513.177e65a6@sovvan> Message-ID: <4A51011F.4070502@att.net> G. Wade Johnson wrote: > I have heard from a few people off-list that they might be more > interested in coming to the meetings if they were on a different day or > at a different time. > > In the interest of potentially increasing the number of attendees, I'd > like to propose the following questions: > > 1. Which days of the week would be good for you to attend Houston.pm > meetings? > > 2. What times of the day would you be willing to attend Houston.pm > meetings? > > 3. Would you come to the meeting if we changed the time/date? > > 4. Would you come to the meeting if we changed the location? If so, > where would you like to see the meetings? > > Feel free to respond to the list or to me personally. If we have some > interest in moving the meeting, we can attempt to select something that > fits the group better. > > G. Wade > Day and time is good for me. Location is so-so for me. I'm probably going to be attending even fewer meetings than usual since my work is moving down to Texas City for the next few months (or years). Plus we are working 4 - 10's. Normally Clear Lake of Pasadena area would be better for me. Mike Flannigan From mikeflan at att.net Sun Jul 5 12:51:56 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:51:56 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Perl Mongers meeting times In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A51045C.30303@att.net> Haufler, Wayne A wrote: > 1. Which days of the week would be good for you to attend Houston.pm > meetings? > > > 2. What times of the day would you be willing to attend Houston.pm > meetings? > > 3. Would you come to the meeting if we changed the time/date? > > 4. Would you come to the meeting if we changed the location? If so, > where would you like to see the meetings? > > I think you'd see a big jump in attendance (including mine) if you > opened it up to virtual attendance, that is, setup a Webex session or > some such. I brought this up before and I understand there are > challenges, but there are also more tools and services (web-based) that > provide for this (GoToMeeting.com?). I'd think most of us may even be > willing to pay a modest club dues to pay for this. > > Advantages include gas money savings and drive time savings > > Disadvantages include less natural / more awkward conversations, less > face-to-face networking (though those with webcams might could use > them). Ok, I think there was a show-stopper or two when I brought this > up last, but I forget, and am too lazy to look it up right now. > > Of course, virtual meetings might drastically reduce the number of > physical attendees. > > Thanks, > > I agree totally, but I just went toGoToMeeting.com to set up my account and I discovered it is $50 per month! Yikes. I sure would like to see something like that get going. I know WebEx works good, because I have used it numerous times. It's not just the cost to users, but also the cost to the meeting organizers to get the microphones, etc to put it on. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Jul 5 13:08:00 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 15:08:00 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Perl Mongers meeting times In-Reply-To: <4A51045C.30303@att.net> References: <4A51045C.30303@att.net> Message-ID: <20090705150800.18239870@sovvan> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 13:51:56 -0600 Mike Flannigan wrote: > I agree totally, but I just went toGoToMeeting.com > to set up my account and I discovered it is $50 per > month! Yikes. > > I sure would like to see something like that get going. > I know WebEx works good, because I have used > it numerous times. It's not just the cost to users, but > also the cost to the meeting organizers to get the > microphones, etc to put it on. It looks like WebEx is $59 per month, with no support for Linux. I remember trying to use WebEx on Windows at a previous employer without much success. I don't know how it is now. As far as the cost is concerned, Wayne made the suggestion that people might be willing to pay a "club fee" to help facilitate this. The problem is that the only "organization" we have is Perl Mongers. Houston.pm is not a "legal entity". As I've seen recently with the SVG Open conference, becoming a "legal entity" is complicated and potentially expensive. If we can come up with a free solution (or low-cost that people can make use of outside our meetings), I think that would be a better idea. One of the problems at the moment seems to be that most of the solutions I've seen are Windows-only. Many people use other OSes, and that has been reflected so far in the attendance. Does anyone have any experience with any meeting or screen sharing software that is really cross platform? G. Wade -- If you don't know where you're going, you will probably end up somewhere else. -- Laurence J. Peter From mikeflan at att.net Sun Jul 5 14:25:48 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:25:48 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Perl Mongers meeting times In-Reply-To: <20090705150800.18239870@sovvan> References: <4A51045C.30303@att.net> <20090705150800.18239870@sovvan> Message-ID: <4A511A5C.5050704@att.net> G. Wade Johnson wrote: > It looks like WebEx is $59 per month, with no support for Linux. > > I remember trying to use WebEx on Windows at a previous employer > without much success. I don't know how it is now. > > As far as the cost is concerned, Wayne made the suggestion that people > might be willing to pay a "club fee" to help facilitate this. The > problem is that the only "organization" we have is Perl Mongers. > Houston.pm is not a "legal entity". As I've seen recently with the SVG > Open conference, becoming a "legal entity" is complicated and > potentially expensive. > > If we can come up with a free solution (or low-cost that people can > make use of outside our meetings), I think that would be a better idea. > > One of the problems at the moment seems to be that most of the > solutions I've seen are Windows-only. Many people use other OSes, and > that has been reflected so far in the attendance. > > Does anyone have any experience with any meeting or screen sharing > software that is really cross platform? > > G. Wade > Agreed. I was going to try Ekiga (Was GnomeMeeting) an hour ago, but they quickly confused me with 3 different file choices that I didn't know which one to get (I'm on Windows). Maybe I am supposed to get Microsoft NetMeeting - I'm not sure. I have another club I want to do this for. Does anybody have a recommendation on what video camera to get to do these teleconferences? This other club has a ton of money and maybe I can talk them into it. I sure would like to hear the experience of others doing this. What do I need to output the camera data to the internet? I feel like I'm back in the Dark Ages. I can't believe this is so rarely done. Mike From toddr at null.net Sun Jul 5 14:22:59 2009 From: toddr at null.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 16:22:59 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Perl Mongers meeting times In-Reply-To: <4A511A5C.5050704@att.net> References: <4A51045C.30303@att.net> <20090705150800.18239870@sovvan> <4A511A5C.5050704@att.net> Message-ID: <748c25c20907051422q7a541cd0t1b5d8a590135a9dd@mail.gmail.com> On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > G. Wade Johnson wrote: >> >> It looks like WebEx is $59 per month, with no support for Linux. >> >> I remember trying to use WebEx on Windows at a previous employer >> without much success. I don't know how it is now. >> >> As far as the cost is concerned, Wayne made the suggestion that people >> might be willing to pay a "club fee" to help facilitate this. The >> problem is that the only "organization" we have is Perl Mongers. >> Houston.pm is not a "legal entity". As I've seen recently with the SVG >> Open conference, becoming a "legal entity" is complicated and >> potentially expensive. >> >> If we can come up with a free solution (or low-cost that people can >> make use of outside our meetings), I think that would be a better idea. >> >> One of the problems at the moment seems to be that most of the >> solutions I've seen are Windows-only. Many people use other OSes, and >> that has been reflected so far in the attendance. >> >> Does anyone have any experience with any meeting or screen sharing >> software that is really cross platform? >> >> G. Wade >> > > Agreed. > > I was going to try Ekiga (Was GnomeMeeting) an > hour ago, but they quickly confused me with > 3 different file choices that I didn't know which > one to get (I'm on Windows). ?Maybe I am > supposed to get Microsoft NetMeeting - I'm > not sure. > > I have another club I want to do this for. ?Does > anybody have a recommendation on what video > camera to get to do these teleconferences? This other club has a ton of > money and maybe I > can talk them into it. ?I sure would like to hear the > experience of others doing this. ?What do I need > to output the camera data to the internet? > > I feel like I'm back in the Dark Ages. ?I can't > believe this is so rarely done. > > > Mike > I think Wade or myself should send out to the pm group owners. Maybe someone has an in or maybe someone would pay a grant to start publishing meetings to a central location. Wouldn't be a bad idea... From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Jul 5 19:28:31 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 21:28:31 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Perl Mongers meeting times In-Reply-To: <4A511A5C.5050704@att.net> References: <4A51045C.30303@att.net> <20090705150800.18239870@sovvan> <4A511A5C.5050704@att.net> Message-ID: <20090705212831.18f7cb08@sovvan> On Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:25:48 -0600 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > It looks like WebEx is $59 per month, with no support for Linux. > > > > I remember trying to use WebEx on Windows at a previous employer > > without much success. I don't know how it is now. [snip] > > Does anyone have any experience with any meeting or screen sharing > > software that is really cross platform? > > > > G. Wade > > > > Agreed. > > I was going to try Ekiga (Was GnomeMeeting) an > hour ago, but they quickly confused me with > 3 different file choices that I didn't know which > one to get (I'm on Windows). Maybe I am > supposed to get Microsoft NetMeeting - I'm > not sure. > > I have another club I want to do this for. Does > anybody have a recommendation on what video > camera to get to do these teleconferences? > This other club has a ton of money and maybe I > can talk them into it. I sure would like to hear the > experience of others doing this. What do I need > to output the camera data to the internet? > > I feel like I'm back in the Dark Ages. I can't > believe this is so rarely done. Ekiga and Skype both seem to have support for video conferencing, but no support (that I could find) for screen sharing. I guess with a good webcam and the "screen to share" projected somewhere, this might not be a problem. I've had some contact with other PM groups and they seem to be mostly face-to-face type meetings. I know there are people from a few other groups on the list. Maybe some of them will chime in with some other experiences. I have been doing on-line meeting with the SVG Interest Group over the last few months and we normally do chat and either conference call through W3C or Skype. No screen sharing or video. But the nature of the meetings are very different. We can get away with sending a few URLs for anything we need to share. The only thing I've done that is similar to what we've been talking about required special hardware and connected together 2-4 conference rooms. A more interactive session with 5+ locations was not an option. Personally, I'm willing to try to get this set up. But I'm unwilling to ask people to spend $50-$60 dollars per month/meeting on some service. Especially if it locks out some of our participants due to operating system. Sorry for the long message. But, I would like to figure this one out. We seem more spread out than many of the other groups and that has limited the meeting attendances for as long as I've been part of the group. G. Wade -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Jul 6 18:41:53 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2009 20:41:53 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt Message-ID: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> It two potential free conferencing approaches that I can think of (Skype and Ekiga) are forbidden by policy where we are meeting. During a meeting today, I was reminded that the Google Docs presentation might be a reasonable alternative to screen sharing. However, we still don't have a good audio solution. Any thoughts? G. Wade -- Any time things appear to be going better, you have overlooked something. From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue Jul 7 18:45:18 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2009 20:45:18 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] July Meeting Message-ID: <20090707204518.77ba6c1e@sovvan> Next Tuesday is our next meeting at our regular location 1111 Fannin (map and information at http://houston.pm.org/meetings.html). I will be presenting on Exception Handling in Perl. As an experiment, we are trying to get something in place to allow remote access to the meeting. We haven't found a single software solution that fills the bill, yet. Not to be deterred, we may be stapling together multiple bits to handle the overall experience of the meeting. The hope is the experience will turn out good enough to be worth investing some real effort into making remote meetings possible. Since it's the first time, I expect glitches. Hope to see you there. (And for those who can't be there, I hope to greet you virtually.) G. Wade -- It always takes longer than you expect, even when you take into account Hofstadter's Law. -- Hofstadter's Law From mikeflan at att.net Wed Jul 8 05:19:35 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:19:35 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt In-Reply-To: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> References: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> Message-ID: <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> G. Wade Johnson wrote: > It two potential free conferencing approaches that I can think of > (Skype and Ekiga) are forbidden by policy where we are meeting. > > During a meeting today, I was reminded that the Google Docs > presentation might be a reasonable alternative to screen sharing. > > However, we still don't have a good audio solution. Any thoughts? > > G. Wade > I wonder how many people can be added to a regular duplex phone system conference call? AT&T conference calling is out since it costs 10? per minute, per connection. I'll check on the limit on our phone system at work. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Wed Jul 8 19:41:51 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2009 21:41:51 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel Message-ID: <20090708214151.6a61fe58@sovvan> In preparation for next week's attempt at a remote presentation, Robert Boone has set up the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.org. For any (like me) who are IRC illiterate, he has also set up a web page interface at http://irc.rlb3.com/. All you need to do is choose a nickname. We'll be monitoring the channel and trying to add functionality leading up to the meeting. (It can currently tell the meeting date and topic and the meeting location.) Give it a try if you'd like. G. Wade -- The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to do, after all. -- Larry Wall From todd.e.rinaldo at jpmorgan.com Thu Jul 9 09:10:00 2009 From: todd.e.rinaldo at jpmorgan.com (Todd E Rinaldo) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:10:00 -0400 Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel In-Reply-To: <20090708214151.6a61fe58@sovvan> References: <20090708214151.6a61fe58@sovvan> Message-ID: <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A27682189@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> I'm getting the following when I try: Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Pragma: no-cache Cache-control: must-revalidate, no-cache Expires: -1 or 500 - Internal Server Error -----Original Message----- From: houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org [mailto:houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:42 PM To: Houston Perl Mongers Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel In preparation for next week's attempt at a remote presentation, Robert Boone has set up the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.org. For any (like me) who are IRC illiterate, he has also set up a web page interface at http://irc.rlb3.com/. All you need to do is choose a nickname. We'll be monitoring the channel and trying to add functionality leading up to the meeting. (It can currently tell the meeting date and topic and the meeting location.) Give it a try if you'd like. G. Wade -- The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to do, after all. -- Larry Wall This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. From robo4288 at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 09:22:03 2009 From: robo4288 at gmail.com (Robert Boone) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 11:22:03 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel In-Reply-To: <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A27682189@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> References: <20090708214151.6a61fe58@sovvan> <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A27682189@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> Message-ID: Strange, I just tried it and it appears to be up... I will have to take a closer look later... On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Todd E Rinaldo wrote: > I'm getting the following when I try: > Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Pragma: no-cache Cache- > control: must-revalidate, no-cache Expires: -1 > or > 500 - Internal Server Error > > -----Original Message----- > From: houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org [mailto:houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org > ] On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:42 PM > To: Houston Perl Mongers > Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel > > In preparation for next week's attempt at a remote presentation, > Robert > Boone has set up the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.org. > > For any (like me) who are IRC illiterate, he has also set up a web > page interface at http://irc.rlb3.com/. All you need to do is choose a > nickname. > > We'll be monitoring the channel and trying to add functionality > leading > up to the meeting. (It can currently tell the meeting date and topic > and > the meeting location.) > > Give it a try if you'd like. > G. Wade > -- > The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to > do, > after all. -- Larry Wall > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From todd.e.rinaldo at jpmorgan.com Thu Jul 9 09:29:41 2009 From: todd.e.rinaldo at jpmorgan.com (Todd E Rinaldo) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 12:29:41 -0400 Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel In-Reply-To: References: <20090708214151.6a61fe58@sovvan> <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A27682189@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> Message-ID: <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A276821D0@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> Robert, Looks like it's broken for IE. Had to switch to fire fox, at which point it comes "less broken". I can see the frames, bug I suspect it's not working now due to proxy issues. Todd -----Original Message----- From: houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org [mailto:houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Robert Boone Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:22 AM To: Houston.pm located in Houston, TX. Subject: Re: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel Strange, I just tried it and it appears to be up... I will have to take a closer look later... On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Todd E Rinaldo wrote: > I'm getting the following when I try: > Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Pragma: no-cache Cache- > control: must-revalidate, no-cache Expires: -1 > or > 500 - Internal Server Error > > -----Original Message----- > From: houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org [mailto:houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org > ] On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:42 PM > To: Houston Perl Mongers > Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel > > In preparation for next week's attempt at a remote presentation, > Robert > Boone has set up the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.org. > > For any (like me) who are IRC illiterate, he has also set up a web > page interface at http://irc.rlb3.com/. All you need to do is choose a > nickname. > > We'll be monitoring the channel and trying to add functionality > leading > up to the meeting. (It can currently tell the meeting date and topic > and > the meeting location.) > > Give it a try if you'd like. > G. Wade > -- > The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to > do, > after all. -- Larry Wall This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. From cblanc at dionysius.com Thu Jul 9 10:10:30 2009 From: cblanc at dionysius.com (Chris Blanc) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 10:10:30 -0700 Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel In-Reply-To: <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A276821D0@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> References: <20090708214151.6a61fe58@sovvan> <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A27682189@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> <9F370183197AF64583E1378C3B2BC9992A276821D0@EMARC113VS01.exchad.jpmchase.net> Message-ID: <20090709171030.GQ19636@dionysius.com> Hi Todd, I am no IRC expert, but I became a big fan of this client: http://www.irssi.org/ Not only is it text-based, so spares you from the indignity of a Macintosh-like GUI, but it's also scriptable through Perl. Most Windows users will find it annoyingly "old school" but based on reading your posts, I think you will find it refreshing. Chris On Thu, Jul 09, 2009 at 12:29:41PM -0400, Todd E Rinaldo wrote: > Robert, > > Looks like it's broken for IE. Had to switch to fire fox, at which point it comes "less broken". I can see the frames, bug I suspect it's not working now due to proxy issues. > > Todd > > -----Original Message----- > From: houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org [mailto:houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Robert Boone > Sent: Thursday, July 09, 2009 11:22 AM > To: Houston.pm located in Houston, TX. > Subject: Re: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel > > Strange, I just tried it and it appears to be up... I will have to > take a closer look later... > > > On Jul 9, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Todd E Rinaldo wrote: > > > I'm getting the following when I try: > > Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Pragma: no-cache Cache- > > control: must-revalidate, no-cache Expires: -1 > > or > > 500 - Internal Server Error > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org [mailto:houston-bounces+todd.e.rinaldo=jpmorgan.com at pm.org > > ] On Behalf Of G. Wade Johnson > > Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2009 9:42 PM > > To: Houston Perl Mongers > > Subject: [pm-h] Houston.pm irc channel > > > > In preparation for next week's attempt at a remote presentation, > > Robert > > Boone has set up the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.org. > > > > For any (like me) who are IRC illiterate, he has also set up a web > > page interface at http://irc.rlb3.com/. All you need to do is choose a > > nickname. > > > > We'll be monitoring the channel and trying to add functionality > > leading > > up to the meeting. (It can currently tell the meeting date and topic > > and > > the meeting location.) > > > > Give it a try if you'd like. > > G. Wade > > -- > > The computer should be doing the hard work. That's what it's paid to > > do, > > after all. -- Larry Wall > This email is confidential and subject to important disclaimers and > conditions including on offers for the purchase or sale of > securities, accuracy and completeness of information, viruses, > confidentiality, legal privilege, and legal entity disclaimers, > available at http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures/email. > _______________________________________________ > Houston mailing list > Houston at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston > Website: http://houston.pm.org/ From mikeflan at att.net Thu Jul 9 18:17:24 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:17:24 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt In-Reply-To: <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> References: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> Message-ID: <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> Mike Flannigan wrote: > I wonder how many people can be added > to a regular duplex phone system conference > call? AT&T conference calling is out since > it costs 10? per minute, per connection. > > I'll check on the limit on our phone system > at work. > > > Mike > > I was told today that our work phones conference a maximum of 3 people only (including the caller). If we need more than that, we use an AT&T conferencing account. Mike From bradoaks at gmail.com Thu Jul 9 18:01:19 2009 From: bradoaks at gmail.com (Brad Oaks) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:01:19 -0400 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt In-Reply-To: <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> References: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Mike Flannigan wrote: > > Mike Flannigan wrote: >> >> I wonder how many people can be added >> to a regular duplex phone system conference >> call? ?AT&T conference calling is out since >> it costs 10? per minute, per connection. >> >> I'll check on the limit on our phone system >> at work. >> >> >> Mike > > I was told today that our work phones conference a > maximum of 3 people only (including the caller). If > we need more than that, we use an AT&T > conferencing account. > > Mike > Unless you really need a local number, http://www.freeconferencecall.com/ is free and fairly consistent. With cell phones and some home phones including free long distance nowadays, the non-local number may not be an impediment. Raleigh.pm hasn't done a remote meetings (yet). The company I work for uses this service all the time. Good luck! >From Raleigh, NC, --bradoaks From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Jul 9 18:43:05 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:43:05 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt In-Reply-To: <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> References: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> Message-ID: <20090709204305.3e175291@sovvan> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 19:17:24 -0600 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > Mike Flannigan wrote: > > I wonder how many people can be added > > to a regular duplex phone system conference > > call? AT&T conference calling is out since > > it costs 10? per minute, per connection. > > > > I'll check on the limit on our phone system > > at work. > > > I was told today that our work phones conference a > maximum of 3 people only (including the caller). If > we need more than that, we use an AT&T > conferencing account. Conferencing together three different locations would probably be useful if we could organize such a thing. But, I suspect it wouldn't be enough for the ad hoc meeting attempt this time. Thanks for checking on that. Todd, any chance JPMC local conference calling would do better? G. Wade -- Perl's payment curve coincides with its learning curve. -- GrandFather From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Jul 9 18:46:52 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 20:46:52 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt In-Reply-To: References: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> Message-ID: <20090709204652.62d7fed6@sovvan> On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 21:01:19 -0400 Brad Oaks wrote: > On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 9:17 PM, Mike Flannigan > wrote: > > > > Mike Flannigan wrote: > >> > >> I wonder how many people can be added > >> to a regular duplex phone system conference > >> call? ?AT&T conference calling is out since > >> it costs 10? per minute, per connection. > >> > >> I'll check on the limit on our phone system > >> at work. > >> > >> > >> Mike > > > > I was told today that our work phones conference a > > maximum of 3 people only (including the caller). If > > we need more than that, we use an AT&T > > conferencing account. > > > > Mike > > > > Unless you really need a local number, > http://www.freeconferencecall.com/ is free and fairly consistent. > > With cell phones and some home phones including free long distance > nowadays, the non-local number may not be an impediment. > > Raleigh.pm hasn't done a remote meetings (yet). The company I work > for uses this service all the time. Another member had suggested freeconferencecall.com, but I didn't pursue it too far, because of the long-distance number issue. I guess I should ask: would people be willing to use a long-distance number for the audio portion (at least for this experiment), or would a long distance call stop you from joining us? G. Wade -- The user's going to pick dancing pigs over security every time. -- Bruce Schneier From mikeflan at att.net Thu Jul 9 20:38:16 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:38:16 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt In-Reply-To: <20090709204652.62d7fed6@sovvan> References: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> <20090709204652.62d7fed6@sovvan> Message-ID: <4A56B7A8.1080209@att.net> G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Another member had suggested freeconferencecall.com, but I didn't > pursue it too far, because of the long-distance number issue. > > I guess I should ask: would people be willing to use a long-distance > number for the audio portion (at least for this experiment), or would > a long distance call stop you from joining us? > > G. Wade > If it's 6 cents per minute (I'm not sure it is) - so ~$3.60 per hr, I might do it a few times. Call me cheap, but I'd probably work very hard to find a cheaper way to get it done. I'm still wondering if a chain of conference calls would work. I suspect the sound quality would not be good enough. I'm looking forward to making this happen, since I want to use it for other clubs too, but I suspect the real hassle is going to be for the people at the meeting that need to run all this stuff. I'm optimistic that we will get this done someday. A little less optimistic we will get it done within 4 months. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Thu Jul 9 20:01:05 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2009 22:01:05 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Virtual Meeting attempt In-Reply-To: <4A56B7A8.1080209@att.net> References: <20090706204153.2c77c9cb@sovvan> <4A548ED7.4070609@att.net> <4A5696A4.80107@att.net> <20090709204652.62d7fed6@sovvan> <4A56B7A8.1080209@att.net> Message-ID: <20090709220105.762e6ee0@sovvan> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:38:16 -0600 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > Another member had suggested freeconferencecall.com, but I didn't > > pursue it too far, because of the long-distance number issue. > > > > I guess I should ask: would people be willing to use a long-distance > > number for the audio portion (at least for this experiment), or > > would a long distance call stop you from joining us? > > > > G. Wade > > > > If it's 6 cents per minute (I'm not sure it is) - > so ~$3.60 per hr, I might do it a few times. > Call me cheap, but I'd probably work very > hard to find a cheaper way to get it done. > I'm still wondering if a chain of conference > calls would work. I suspect the sound > quality would not be good enough. I would never call you cheap. My main thought is to the barrier to joining on on the meeting as low as possible. I see a long distance call as a barrier (I just don't know how big a barrier). > I'm looking forward to making this happen, > since I want to use it for other clubs too, > but I suspect the real hassle is going to be > for the people at the meeting that need to > run all this stuff. There is a limit to what we can do at the meeting location, of course. But that's the point of the experiment, to see if it is "worth the hassle". > I'm optimistic that we will get this done > someday. A little less optimistic we will > get it done within 4 months. 4 months? I'm aiming for an experiment next week. G. Wade -- Controlling complexity is the essence of computer programming -- Brian Kernighan From gwadej at anomaly.org Sun Jul 12 19:19:11 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2009 21:19:11 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] July (Remote) Meeting Message-ID: <20090712211911.6beaa073@sovvan> Based on the conversations of the last few days, we're going to try something a little different this Tuesday. We will have our technical meeting at 1111 Fannin as usual. As always, we will meet in the lobby between 6pm and 6:20. If you can make it, feel free to come. The details are available on the group website at http://houst.pm.org/meetings.html. We will also be connected to the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.com. I'm going to try to have my presentation available on-line by Tuesday. I'll provide the latest information via IRC at the meeting. (If all goes well, the nick 'minion' will be a bot that can answer some meeting questions.) Depending on who is available remotely and what people are willing to try, we may have a conference call available to call in and listen. That has been a little harder to nail down. If you have any strong opinions about how we should do the audio part, let me know in the next 24 hours. I hope to see (and hear/read) more people at Tuesday's meeting. Part of the purpose of the experiment is to determine if we should spend a lot of time and effort going down this route. If you have any interest in the remote meeting idea, now would be a good time to speak up (and to join the meeting remotely). G. Wade -- Be careful about reading health books. You may die of a misprint. -- Mark Twain From mikeflan at att.net Mon Jul 13 05:24:26 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:24:26 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] July (Remote) Meeting In-Reply-To: <20090712211911.6beaa073@sovvan> References: <20090712211911.6beaa073@sovvan> Message-ID: <4A5B277A.2040002@att.net> G. Wade Johnson wrote: > Based on the conversations of the last few days, we're going to try > something a little different this Tuesday. > > We will have our technical meeting at 1111 Fannin as usual. As always, > we will meet in the lobby between 6pm and 6:20. If you can make it, > feel free to come. The details are available on the group website at > http://houst.pm.org/meetings.html. > > We will also be connected to the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.com. > I'm going to try to have my presentation available on-line by Tuesday. > I'll provide the latest information via IRC at the meeting. (If all > goes well, the nick 'minion' will be a bot that can answer some meeting > questions.) > > Depending on who is available remotely and what people are willing to > try, we may have a conference call available to call in and listen. > That has been a little harder to nail down. > > If you have any strong opinions about how we should do the audio part, > let me know in the next 24 hours. > > I hope to see (and hear/read) more people at Tuesday's meeting. Part of > the purpose of the experiment is to determine if we should spend a lot > of time and effort going down this route. If you have any interest in > the remote meeting idea, now would be a good time to speak up (and to > join the meeting remotely). > > G. Wade > The correct link is http://houston.pm.org/meetings.html From mikeflan at att.net Mon Jul 13 05:29:34 2009 From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:29:34 -0600 Subject: [pm-h] July (Remote) Meeting In-Reply-To: <4A5B277A.2040002@att.net> References: <20090712211911.6beaa073@sovvan> <4A5B277A.2040002@att.net> Message-ID: <4A5B28AE.9050103@att.net> Mike Flannigan wrote: > > G. Wade Johnson wrote: >> Based on the conversations of the last few days, we're going to try >> something a little different this Tuesday. >> >> We will have our technical meeting at 1111 Fannin as usual. As always, >> we will meet in the lobby between 6pm and 6:20. If you can make it, >> feel free to come. The details are available on the group website at >> http://houst.pm.org/meetings.html. >> >> We will also be connected to the channel #houston.pm on irc.perl.com. >> I'm going to try to have my presentation available on-line by Tuesday. >> I'll provide the latest information via IRC at the meeting. (If all >> goes well, the nick 'minion' will be a bot that can answer some meeting >> questions.) >> >> Depending on who is available remotely and what people are willing to >> try, we may have a conference call available to call in and listen. >> That has been a little harder to nail down. >> >> If you have any strong opinions about how we should do the audio part, >> let me know in the next 24 hours. >> >> I hope to see (and hear/read) more people at Tuesday's meeting. Part of >> the purpose of the experiment is to determine if we should spend a lot >> of time and effort going down this route. If you have any interest in >> the remote meeting idea, now would be a good time to speak up (and to >> join the meeting remotely). >> >> G. Wade >> > The correct link is > http://houston.pm.org/meetings.html The correct IRC link is http://irc.rlb3.com/ It didn't appear to work for me the first time I signed up, but it's clearly working now (on Windows). When it works you get a message like: *** mikeflan [~4cc3cc35 at 67-23-5-216.static.slicehost.net] has joined *#houston.pm* *** Topic is: Houston Perl Mongers | Meeting July 14 - Exception Handling in Perl *** Topic set by rlb3!~d04a7966 at 67-23-5-216.static.slicehost.net [Fri Jul 10 14:57:59 2009] *** mikeflan @gwadej @minion @ig88 *** Channel created on Fri Jul 10 07:22:48 2009 I'm not sure I will be able to join the discussion at 6:30 PM, but I'm going to try. I might be quite late. Mike From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Jul 13 05:05:32 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:05:32 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] July (Remote) Meeting In-Reply-To: <4A5B277A.2040002@att.net> References: <20090712211911.6beaa073@sovvan> <4A5B277A.2040002@att.net> Message-ID: <20090713070532.192fb43e@sovvan> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 06:24:26 -0600 Mike Flannigan wrote: > > G. Wade Johnson wrote: > > Based on the conversations of the last few days, we're going to try > > something a little different this Tuesday. > > > > We will have our technical meeting at 1111 Fannin as usual. As > > always, we will meet in the lobby between 6pm and 6:20. If you can > > make it, feel free to come. The details are available on the group > > website at http://houst.pm.org/meetings.html. > > > > We will also be connected to the channel #houston.pm on > > irc.perl.com. I'm going to try to have my presentation available > > on-line by Tuesday. I'll provide the latest information via IRC at > > the meeting. (If all goes well, the nick 'minion' will be a bot > > that can answer some meeting questions.) > > > > Depending on who is available remotely and what people are willing > > to try, we may have a conference call available to call in and > > listen. That has been a little harder to nail down. > > > > If you have any strong opinions about how we should do the audio > > part, let me know in the next 24 hours. > > > > I hope to see (and hear/read) more people at Tuesday's meeting. > > Part of the purpose of the experiment is to determine if we should > > spend a lot of time and effort going down this route. If you have > > any interest in the remote meeting idea, now would be a good time > > to speak up (and to join the meeting remotely). > > > > G. Wade > > > > The correct link is > http://houston.pm.org/meetings.html Thanks. Fingers not completely connected to brain. -- There are 2 possible outcomes: If the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery. -- Enrico Fermi From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Jul 13 05:25:14 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:25:14 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] July (Remote) Meeting, take two Message-ID: <20090713072514.34ebd5a1@sovvan> Thanks to Mike for correcting my typos. Let's try this again... Date: Tuesday, July 14 Time: 6pm - 6:20 in the lobby, meeting starts 6:30. Meeting Location: 1111 Fannin Meetings page: http://houston.pm.org/meetings.html IRC server: irc.perl.org channel: #houston.pm Web IRC interface: http://irc.rlb3.com/ Topic: Exception Handling in Perl Presenter: G. Wade Johnson Hopefully, I didn't mess up any of that. G. Wade -- It's better to make mistakes in electrons, than in granite. -- Bruce Beasley From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Jul 13 18:54:52 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:54:52 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] July (Remote) Meeting, take two In-Reply-To: <20090713072514.34ebd5a1@sovvan> References: <20090713072514.34ebd5a1@sovvan> Message-ID: <20090713205452.04a79e10@sovvan> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 07:25:14 -0500 "G. Wade Johnson" wrote: > Thanks to Mike for correcting my typos. Let's try this again... > > Date: Tuesday, July 14 > Time: 6pm - 6:20 in the lobby, meeting starts 6:30. > Meeting Location: 1111 Fannin > Meetings page: http://houston.pm.org/meetings.html > IRC server: irc.perl.org > channel: #houston.pm > Web IRC interface: http://irc.rlb3.com/ > Topic: Exception Handling in Perl > Presenter: G. Wade Johnson I've gotten my slides into Google Doc as a presentation. From their documentation, it is possible for one person to drive a presentation that many are seeing. If you have a Google account (gmail or otherwise) and would like access to the presentation before (or during) the meeting send me your google id and I'll invite you. The links for the HTML version and Google Docs version of the presentation are available from the IRC Bot named minion (type "minion, slides?" without the quotes for both links). For completeness, S5: http://houston.pm.org/talks/2009talks/0907Talk/exception_handling_in_perl.html Google Presentation: http://docs.google.com/present/edit?id=ddgbh3mh_1ghrpsvf7 The S5 doc has the presentation notes as well. Let's see if we can make this remote attempt work. If it does, maybe we can do a more robust version for later meetings. G. Wade -- Reality is just a convenient measure of complexity. -- Alvy Ray Smith From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Jul 13 20:12:11 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:12:11 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] July (Remote) Meeting, take two In-Reply-To: <20090713205452.04a79e10@sovvan> References: <20090713072514.34ebd5a1@sovvan> <20090713205452.04a79e10@sovvan> Message-ID: <20090713221211.2b3919c8@sovvan> Messing around with Google Docs a bit more, I found the "publish" feature. This should allow everyone access (with or without a Google account). http://docs.google.com/Presentation?id=ddgbh3mh_1ghrpsvf7 Supposedly, you can also join the presentation tomorrow night with this link. G. Wade -- "No Boom today. Boom tomorrow, There's always a boom tomorrow." -- Ivanova, "Grail" From robo4288 at gmail.com Tue Jul 14 07:49:02 2009 From: robo4288 at gmail.com (Robert Boone) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 09:49:02 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Phone conference tonight Message-ID: <435624390907140749o5fd00699q9fec3a866582324e@mail.gmail.com> Hello, Wade wanted me to everyone know that we are also going to try phone conferencing tonight. We will send out information on how to get connected before the meeting. Robert Boone From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue Jul 14 15:29:22 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 17:29:22 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Conference call tonight Message-ID: <20090714172922.54147b30@sovvan> I'm using the free conference.com service for the conference call tonight. Phone: 1-219-509-8020 Participant code: 326749 It will start at 6:30, when we call in. G. Wade -- Understanding is a three-edged sword. -- Kosh in "Deathwalker" From gwadej at anomaly.org Tue Jul 14 20:26:24 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:26:24 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Remote Meeting Experiment, initial thoughts. Message-ID: <20090714222624.35d1a946@sovvan> We had our first remote meeting experiment tonight and I'd say it was a qualified success. I plan to do a real write-up before the weekend, but I wanted to give first impressions for some people who expressed an interest. Slides: - Using a Google Docs presentation allowed me to present and drive the slides for everyone else. - Unfortunately, anyone following along needed to be signed up - We had some difficulty with getting everyone connected to the presentation Overall, it worked "well enough" for an experiment. Needs better planning to be genuinely useful. Audio: - Used freeconference.com to allow people to dial in. - Long distance call (East coast) - Not many people tried, but we only got confirmation on the ability to attempt it today. - Used the regular conversation mode, presentation mode might have been better. - Voice quality near the level of Skype. Some loud staticy bits were distracting. Not a bad solution, considering it's free (except for the long distance call). IRC: - Difficulties with the IRC CGI for people behind a proxy. - Questions and comments as a side channel during the presentation worked really well. Fewer interruptions. - Useful for sending URLs and such to the remote sites. Without the irc, the rest would not have worked as well. We ended up messing around with the tech for about the first 20 minutes. After that the presentation went fairly well. No easy way to use whiteboard for quick sketches or something. Need to consider that. We didn't have video. The freeconference.com had a "record conversation" option, but I didn't try it. I think, with a bit more planning and practice, we might be able to make a reasonable remote meeting attempt out of this. It would probably really shine if people from other PM groups were interested in one of our presentations. (Lot's more planning needed.) G. Wade -- When they first built the University of California at Irvine they just put the buildings in. They did not put any sidewalks, they just planted grass. The next year, they came back and put the sidewalks where the trails were in the grass. Perl is just that kind of language. It is not designed from first principles. Perl is those sidewalks in the grass. -- Larry Wall From keelie at cpanel.net Thu Jul 16 09:56:05 2009 From: keelie at cpanel.net (Keelie Lewis) Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 11:56:05 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] cPanel Looking For Perl Developers Message-ID: <1FA103C9-CDA6-41B0-8E64-ACE535D731CE@cpanel.net> Greetings, I work for cPanel and wanted to share the current job openings we have, please feel free to pass this along and if you have any inquires please send me an email : keelie at cpanel.net. For more information here is cPanel's website : http://www.cpanel.net/ Thanks a bunch, Keelie Lewis keelie at cpanel.net Perl Application Developer: cPanel is currently looking for experienced Perl developers to further enhance our current software offerings. This position will focus on our cPanel and WebHost Manager web based hosting automation product. Qualifications: * US work eligibility * Perl programming experience o Regular expressions o Object oriented design o Multi-tiered application development * Familiarity with rpm based *nix distributions (RedHat, Fedora, CentOS, etc) * Familiarity with ports based Operating Systems (FreeBSD) * Familiarity with: o Apache o BIND o Exim o MySQL o OpenSSL o PostgreSQL o PureFTPd Special consideration will be given to candidates with the following: * Successful development record within open source projects * Contributions to CPAN Job Duties: * Creating new code for cPanel products * Updating and refactoring current product code * Solving problems through programming * Coordinating with management and other departments to share knowledge Benefits: * Full Health, Vision and Dental coverage * Flexible Spending Account * Free on-site lunch * Paid Vacation * Flexible Scheduling * Tuition Reimbursement * Casual Working Environment * 401K Matching Internal Systems Developer : cPanel is currently seeking an exceptional Internal Systems Developer to join our Linux Development Department. 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Peter From Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com Mon Jul 20 12:40:22 2009 From: Wayne.A.Haufler at boeing.com (Haufler, Wayne A) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 14:40:22 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] Remote Meetings In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Just wanted to thank all those that picked up the idea and ran with it. As the one who first (I think) suggested the idea, the only credit I can claim is providing a spark of an idea. You guys did a marvelous job of exploring the possibilities in short order and coming up with a potentially workable solution, despite the many obstacles. Hey, we could be trendsetters among such clubs! My apologies for not getting involved, and again, many thanks. I did try to connect in via webex, but probably got the wrong day (Tuesday). THanks, -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-- Wayne A. Haufler Senior Software Engineer (SE) In Space Shuttle Program (SSP) Backup Flight System (BFS) Displays & Controls Requirements Analyst Boeing, NASA Systems, Houston Voice: 281-226-8626 , Cubicle: 5475 E-mail: wayne.a.haufler at boeing.com Boeing Toastmaster (Club 4908): VP Education -----Original Message----- From: houston-request at pm.org [mailto:houston-request at pm.org] Sent: Monday, July 20, 2009 2:00 PM To: houston at pm.org Subject: Houston Digest, Vol 56, Issue 13 Send Houston mailing list submissions to houston at pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to houston-request at pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at houston-owner at pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Houston digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Meeting notes are up (G. Wade Johnson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 17:44:33 -0500 From: "G. Wade Johnson" Subject: [pm-h] Meeting notes are up To: Houston Perl Mongers Message-ID: <20090719174433.57bce23b at sovvan> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII The notes and slides for the July presentation are up at http://houston.pm.org/talks/2009talks/0907Talk/ I've also added a more complete summary of the Remote Meeting experiment at http://houston.pm.org/remote_meetings.html. Anyone that has more information or would like to add an opinion, let me know on the list. I want the summary to be as complete and accurate as possible. If we decide to go further with this or if anyone else decides to do it, they might find our insights useful. G. Wade -- The man who says he is willing to meet you halfway is usually a poor judge of distance. -- Laurence J. Peter ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Houston mailing list Houston at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston Website: http://houston.pm.org/ End of Houston Digest, Vol 56, Issue 13 *************************************** From gwadej at anomaly.org Mon Jul 20 15:50:49 2009 From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson) Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 17:50:49 -0500 Subject: [pm-h] YAPC|10 Survey Message-ID: <20090720175049.5dce18d8@sovvan> For those of you who went to YAPC this year, don't forget to fill out the survey (see http://use.perl.org/~barbie/journal/39314 for information). At present, the YAPC::NA response is far behind the response of the last couple of European YAPCs. The survey doesn't take much time and its intent is to help tailor future YAPCs to better suit the attendees. Make your voice heard. G. Wade -- Trying to outsmart a compiler defeats much of the purpose of using one. -- Brian Kernighan and P.J. 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