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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Mon Dec  7 16:01:41 2009
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 18:01:41 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] December Social Meeting
Message-ID: <20091207180141.616ded5b@sovvan>

This is just a quick reminder about our social meeting tomorrow night
starting after 6pm at the Fuddruckers on 59 near Wesleyan (3929
Southwest Fwy).

As before, I will try to get one of the tables in the back (right side
as you enter). Look for the YAPC::NA 2007 t-shirt and/or the Houston
Perl Meetup sign.

Looking forward to seeing you there. 
G. Wade
-- 
Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

From will.willis at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 22:47:39 2009
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:39 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] TMTOWTD Makefile.PL
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090912162247u6ef97cd9wfa52cfd2011eb88d@mail.gmail.com>

I'm writing a module. I've written plenty before, tests and all.. but
only recently have I started paying attention to Makefile.PL as I
consider uploading to the CPAN.

While going through a Catalyst book I got some experience with the
inc::Module::Install convention. I'm using module-starter to create
skeleton modules, which by default uses the ExtUtils::MakeMaker
approach to the Makefile.PL

My main point of concern is getting the module dependency list
included with my distribution, inc::Module::Install's approach is very
straight forward, using the requires subroutine. MakeMaker's appears
to go into the PREREQ_PM hash ref.

So as I feel my way through the path of module authoring I've come up
with a few questions (and I'm sure more will follow):


1) Is my understanding of how dependencies are defined with these 2
modules mentioned above correct?

2) What are the pros/cons of using one module over the other?

3) Is Build.Pl and Module::Build yet another way to accomplish the
same task? I see that some people (on this list) provide both a
Build.PL and Makefile.PL with their packages. Why?

4) It appears that the Makefile.PL serves a few purposes like
providing meta data and dependencies. What else should I be aware of?

5) regarding MakeMaker, I see some useful meta data in
META_MERGE->{resources}, where exactly does that info get used?

6) I remember once scanning an electronic copy of "Writing Perl
Modules for CPAN" many moons ago... the book is now ~7 years old. Are
there other up-to-date resources out there for writing and deploying
modules to CPAN? Or is this book still relevant?


Thanks in advance!!

-Will
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Thu Dec 17 05:32:33 2009
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 07:32:33 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] TMTOWTD Makefile.PL
In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090912162247u6ef97cd9wfa52cfd2011eb88d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912162247u6ef97cd9wfa52cfd2011eb88d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091217073233.54b6ac54@sovvan>

On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:39 -0600
Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm writing a module. I've written plenty before, tests and all.. but
> only recently have I started paying attention to Makefile.PL as I
> consider uploading to the CPAN.
> 
> While going through a Catalyst book I got some experience with the
> inc::Module::Install convention. I'm using module-starter to create
> skeleton modules, which by default uses the ExtUtils::MakeMaker
> approach to the Makefile.PL
> 
> My main point of concern is getting the module dependency list
> included with my distribution, inc::Module::Install's approach is very
> straight forward, using the requires subroutine. MakeMaker's appears
> to go into the PREREQ_PM hash ref.
> 
> So as I feel my way through the path of module authoring I've come up
> with a few questions (and I'm sure more will follow):

I'm certainly no expert, but here's the little that I know.

> 
> 1) Is my understanding of how dependencies are defined with these 2
> modules mentioned above correct?

You are correct as far as MakeMaker's approach. I don't know much about
Module::Install, I've only begun looking at it recently.

> 2) What are the pros/cons of using one module over the other?

The author of MakeMaker (Schwern) is trying to convince people to stop
using it.<grin/> As I understand it, one of the big benefits of
Module::Install is that the installer comes bundled with your module.

This has been a major difficulty with getting Module::Build out there.
Almost everyone already has MakeMaker.

> 3) Is Build.Pl and Module::Build yet another way to accomplish the
> same task? I see that some people (on this list) provide both a
> Build.PL and Makefile.PL with their packages. Why?

Build.PL uses Module::Build. It was supposed to replace MakeMaker and
life was going to be good. (No more reliance on make). Unfortunately,
there was a bit of "chicken and egg" problem, since many people did not
have Module::Build installed. MakeMaker is part of the core, so you
could always depend on it.

I get both nowadays from using Module::Starter to create my modules.

> 4) It appears that the Makefile.PL serves a few purposes like
> providing meta data and dependencies. What else should I be aware of?

That's basically it. MakeMaker uses the data from Makefile.PL to create
an appropriate Makefile. That's where all the fun is.

> 5) regarding MakeMaker, I see some useful meta data in
> META_MERGE->{resources}, where exactly does that info get used?

I don't know this one.

> 6) I remember once scanning an electronic copy of "Writing Perl
> Modules for CPAN" many moons ago... the book is now ~7 years old. Are
> there other up-to-date resources out there for writing and deploying
> modules to CPAN? Or is this book still relevant?

I vaguely recall some good information in "Perl Best Practices", but
that might be faulty memory. I also fine-tuned my module creation
practices from some documentation around Module::Starter.

G. Wade
-- 
More good code has been written in languages denounced as "bad" than in
languages proclaimed "wonderful" -- much more.
             -- Bjarne Stroustrup, "The Design and Evolution of C++"

From toddr at cpanel.net  Thu Dec 17 08:55:55 2009
From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 10:55:55 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] TMTOWTD Makefile.PL
In-Reply-To: <20091217073233.54b6ac54@sovvan>
References: <6ee1e6090912162247u6ef97cd9wfa52cfd2011eb88d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091217073233.54b6ac54@sovvan>
Message-ID: <DD642F64-EA54-4FAA-B057-A6DC7B33DBF6@cpanel.net>


On Dec 17, 2009, at 7:32 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:39 -0600
> Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> I'm writing a module. I've written plenty before, tests and all.. but
>> only recently have I started paying attention to Makefile.PL as I
>> consider uploading to the CPAN.
>> 
>> While going through a Catalyst book I got some experience with the
>> inc::Module::Install convention. I'm using module-starter to create
>> skeleton modules, which by default uses the ExtUtils::MakeMaker
>> approach to the Makefile.PL
>> 
>> My main point of concern is getting the module dependency list
>> included with my distribution, inc::Module::Install's approach is very
>> straight forward, using the requires subroutine. MakeMaker's appears
>> to go into the PREREQ_PM hash ref.
>> 
>> So as I feel my way through the path of module authoring I've come up
>> with a few questions (and I'm sure more will follow):
> 
> I'm certainly no expert, but here's the little that I know.
> 
>> 2) What are the pros/cons of using one module over the other?
> 
> The author of MakeMaker (Schwern) is trying to convince people to stop
> using it.<grin/> As I understand it, one of the big benefits of
> Module::Install is that the installer comes bundled with your module.
> 
> This has been a major difficulty with getting Module::Build out there.
> Almost everyone already has MakeMaker.
> 
I saw schwern re-give this presentation this year. It's amusing after you've struggled with the module a while:
http://schwern.dreamhosters.com/talks/MakeMaker_Is_DOOMED/

If you're going with Makefile.PL and you want to max out your makefile, you might use mine as an example. I had to hunt through the specs for meta.yaml to get it like this. It's less than well documented:

http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/TODDR/Net-Jabber-Bot-2.1.5/Makefile.PL

The sections I found useful but hard to find documentation on were:
1. build_requires - modules only required for build
2. resources - allows you to re-direct people to other repos for bugtracking, mailing list, homepage, etc. 
3. recommends - It's been a while, but I think this will encourage the interactive CPAN installer to install these also before build.





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From will.willis at gmail.com  Thu Dec 17 19:24:51 2009
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 21:24:51 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] TMTOWTD Makefile.PL
In-Reply-To: <DD642F64-EA54-4FAA-B057-A6DC7B33DBF6@cpanel.net>
References: <6ee1e6090912162247u6ef97cd9wfa52cfd2011eb88d@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091217073233.54b6ac54@sovvan>
	<DD642F64-EA54-4FAA-B057-A6DC7B33DBF6@cpanel.net>
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090912171924m61cb9907je6e9b442eb3937b7@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Todd and Wade for the feedback!!

-Will

On Thu, Dec 17, 2009 at 10:55 AM, Todd Rinaldo <toddr at cpanel.net> wrote:

>
> On Dec 17, 2009, at 7:32 AM, G. Wade Johnson wrote:
>
> On Thu, 17 Dec 2009 00:47:39 -0600
> Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm writing a module. I've written plenty before, tests and all.. but
>
> only recently have I started paying attention to Makefile.PL as I
>
> consider uploading to the CPAN.
>
>
> While going through a Catalyst book I got some experience with the
>
> inc::Module::Install convention. I'm using module-starter to create
>
> skeleton modules, which by default uses the ExtUtils::MakeMaker
>
> approach to the Makefile.PL
>
>
> My main point of concern is getting the module dependency list
>
> included with my distribution, inc::Module::Install's approach is very
>
> straight forward, using the requires subroutine. MakeMaker's appears
>
> to go into the PREREQ_PM hash ref.
>
>
> So as I feel my way through the path of module authoring I've come up
>
> with a few questions (and I'm sure more will follow):
>
>
> I'm certainly no expert, but here's the little that I know.
>
> 2) What are the pros/cons of using one module over the other?
>
>
> The author of MakeMaker (Schwern) is trying to convince people to stop
> using it.<grin/> As I understand it, one of the big benefits of
> Module::Install is that the installer comes bundled with your module.
>
> This has been a major difficulty with getting Module::Build out there.
> Almost everyone already has MakeMaker.
>
> I saw schwern re-give this presentation this year. It's amusing after
> you've struggled with the module a while:
> http://schwern.dreamhosters.com/talks/MakeMaker_Is_DOOMED/
>
> If you're going with Makefile.PL and you want to max out your makefile,
> you might use mine as an example. I had to hunt through the specs for
> meta.yaml to get it like this. It's less than well documented:
>
> http://cpansearch.perl.org/src/TODDR/Net-Jabber-Bot-2.1.5/Makefile.PL
>
> The sections I found useful but hard to find documentation on were:
> 1. build_requires - modules only required for build
> 2. resources - allows you to re-direct people to other repos for
> bugtracking, mailing list, homepage, etc.
> 3. recommends - It's been a while, but I think this will encourage the
> interactive CPAN installer to install these also before build.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>
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From will.willis at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 13:25:03 2009
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 15:25:03 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Moose question
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>

I'm using Moose to write a package that, among other things, connects to the
internet to fetch some content.

The way I have my object designed is that want one of the attributes to
contain a reference to a WWW::Mechanize object.

----the code---

#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use Website;

my $web = Website->new(name => 'Google', url => 'http://www.google.com/');
print "My Website's name is " . $web->name . "\n";

print $web->get_content();


----the class---

package Website;
use Moose;
use WWW::Mechanize;

has '_mech' => ( is => 'rw' );
has 'name'  => ( is => 'rw', isa => 'Str', required => 1);
has 'url'   => (is => 'rw', isa => 'Str', required => 1);

sub get_content {
    my $self = shift;
    $self->_mech = WWW::Mechanize->new();
    $self->_mech->get($self->url);
    return $self->_mech->content;
}
1;

--- /end code --

That's not working , I get the following output/error:

My Website's name is Google
Can't modify non-lvalue subroutine call at Website.pm line 11.

Do I need to make the '_mech' attribute be a (isa) WWW::Mechanize object to
achieve this? I have no intention of exposing any of WWW::Mechanize's
functionality to the outside. I'm probably missing a small detail. Any help
would be appreciated.


-Will
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From robo4288 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 19:15:11 2009
From: robo4288 at gmail.com (Robert Boone)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 21:15:11 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Moose question
In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <435624390912191915x582adf93w88e1940d3d1a9a32@mail.gmail.com>

You can change the line to:

$self->{_mech} = WWW::Mechanize->new();

of

$self->_mech(WWW::Mechanize->new());





On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm using Moose to write a package that, among other things, connects to the
> internet to fetch some content.
> The way I have my object designed is that want one of the attributes to
> contain a reference to a WWW::Mechanize object.
> ----the code---
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> use strict;
> use Website;
> my $web = Website->new(name => 'Google', url => 'http://www.google.com/');
> print "My Website's name is " . $web->name . "\n";
> print $web->get_content();
>
> ----the class---
> package Website;
> use Moose;
> use WWW::Mechanize;
> has '_mech' => ( is => 'rw' );
> has 'name' ?=> ( is => 'rw', isa => 'Str', required => 1);
> has 'url' ? => (is => 'rw', isa => 'Str', required => 1);
> sub get_content {
> ?? ?my $self = shift;
> ?? ?$self->_mech = WWW::Mechanize->new();
> ?? ?$self->_mech->get($self->url);
> ?? ?return $self->_mech->content;
> }
> 1;
> --- /end code --
> That's not working , I get the following output/error:
> My Website's name is Google
> Can't modify non-lvalue subroutine call at Website.pm line 11.
> Do I need to make the '_mech' attribute be a (isa) WWW::Mechanize?object?to
> achieve this? I have no intention of exposing any of WWW::Mechanize's
> functionality to the outside. I'm?probably?missing a small detail. Any help
> would be appreciated.
>
> -Will
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> Website: http://houston.pm.org/
>

From will.willis at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 04:01:52 2009
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:01:52 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Moose question
In-Reply-To: <435624390912191915x582adf93w88e1940d3d1a9a32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>
	<435624390912191915x582adf93w88e1940d3d1a9a32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090912200401n3d3f3c81s114fd3df002fb3e0@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Robert,

That did the trick!

And I see my err, mutators take parameters, they don't take assignments >_<

Thanks,
Will


On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Robert Boone <robo4288 at gmail.com> wrote:

> You can change the line to:
>
> $self->{_mech} = WWW::Mechanize->new();
>
> of
>
> $self->_mech(WWW::Mechanize->new());
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2009 at 3:25 PM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm using Moose to write a package that, among other things, connects to
> the
> > internet to fetch some content.
> > The way I have my object designed is that want one of the attributes to
> > contain a reference to a WWW::Mechanize object.
> > ----the code---
> > #!/usr/bin/perl
> > use strict;
> > use Website;
> > my $web = Website->new(name => 'Google', url => 'http://www.google.com/'
> );
> > print "My Website's name is " . $web->name . "\n";
> > print $web->get_content();
> >
> > ----the class---
> > package Website;
> > use Moose;
> > use WWW::Mechanize;
> > has '_mech' => ( is => 'rw' );
> > has 'name'  => ( is => 'rw', isa => 'Str', required => 1);
> > has 'url'   => (is => 'rw', isa => 'Str', required => 1);
> > sub get_content {
> >     my $self = shift;
> >     $self->_mech = WWW::Mechanize->new();
> >     $self->_mech->get($self->url);
> >     return $self->_mech->content;
> > }
> > 1;
> > --- /end code --
> > That's not working , I get the following output/error:
> > My Website's name is Google
> > Can't modify non-lvalue subroutine call at Website.pm line 11.
> > Do I need to make the '_mech' attribute be a (isa)
> WWW::Mechanize object to
> > achieve this? I have no intention of exposing any of WWW::Mechanize's
> > functionality to the outside. I'm probably missing a small detail. Any
> help
> > would be appreciated.
> >
> > -Will
> > _______________________________________________
> > Houston mailing list
> > Houston at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
> > Website: http://houston.pm.org/
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Houston mailing list
> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
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From mikeflan at att.net  Sun Dec 20 07:40:21 2009
From: mikeflan at att.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:40:21 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Video on Git
Message-ID: <4B2E4565.7070804@att.net>


Video on Git I found interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dhZ9BXQgc4

Very lengthy.


Mike


From toddr at null.net  Mon Dec 21 08:25:10 2009
From: toddr at null.net (Todd Rinaldo)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 10:25:10 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Moose question
In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <748c25c20912210825g54cb3b70r5bcca4abedbcdd87@mail.gmail.com>

I'm a big fan of lazy. You're kinda randomly initializing your object
in the object if you don't use it. Oh and per the Moose gods, don't
forget to turn off Moose and make immutable at the end of your module.

Try this:


#!/usr/bin/perl
use strict;
use Website;
my $web = Website->new(name ='Google', url ='http://www.google.com/');
print "My Website's name is " . $web->name . "\n";
print $web->get_content();

package Website;
use Moose;
use WWW::Mechanize;

# Mech will initialize whenever it's first called.
has '_mech'    => (isa => 'Object', is => 'ro', lazy => 1, default =>
sub { WWW::Mechanize->new });

has 'name' ?=( is ='rw', isa ='Str', required =1);
has 'url' ? =(is ='rw', isa ='Str', required =1);

sub get_content {
?? ?my $self = shift;
?? ?$self->_mech->get($self->url);
?? ?return $self->_mech->content;
}

no Moose;
__PACKAGE__->meta->make_immutable;
1;

From will.willis at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 13:37:07 2009
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 15:37:07 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Moose question
In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090912211335w1848522dhdbff3c2392c44c5a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>
	<748c25c20912210825g54cb3b70r5bcca4abedbcdd87@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ee1e6090912211335w1848522dhdbff3c2392c44c5a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090912211337g650f9ea2n23062321ab9cbb37@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Todd,

What does the immutable bit do at the end? Freeze my object to any further
changes? What about 'no Moose'?

I've seen it done in the manual but haven't seen an explaination.

On Dec 21, 2009 10:25 AM, "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at null.net> wrote:

I'm a big fan of lazy. You're kinda randomly initializing your object
in the object if you don't use it. Oh and per the Moose gods, don't
forget to turn off Moose and make immutable at the end of your module.

Try this:

#!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use Website; my $web = Website->new(name
='Google', url ='http://www.g...

package Website; use Moose; use WWW::Mechanize;
# Mech will initialize whenever it's first called.
has '_mech'    => (isa => 'Object', is => 'ro', lazy => 1, default =>
sub { WWW::Mechanize->new });

has 'name'  =( is ='rw', isa ='Str', required =1); has 'url'   =(is ='rw',
isa ='Str', required =1)...

    $self->_mech->get($self->url);     return $self->_mech->content; }
no Moose;
__PACKAGE__->meta->make_immutable;
1;

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From robo4288 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 05:02:04 2009
From: robo4288 at gmail.com (Robert Boone)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 07:02:04 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Moose question
In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090912211337g650f9ea2n23062321ab9cbb37@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912191325i4ff33682t4837590dba5e1609@mail.gmail.com>
	<748c25c20912210825g54cb3b70r5bcca4abedbcdd87@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ee1e6090912211335w1848522dhdbff3c2392c44c5a@mail.gmail.com>
	<6ee1e6090912211337g650f9ea2n23062321ab9cbb37@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <435624390912220502t4b7e8fe4mf1903842b8224174@mail.gmail.com>

make_immutable() does two things, object construction and destruction
are effectively "inlined" in your class, and no longer invokes the
meta API...

And no Moose remove the Moose helper functions like has(), before()
and the others so they will not be in the object after object
creation....



Charles de Gaulle  - "The better I get to know men, the more I find
myself loving dogs." -
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/c/charles_de_gaulle.html


On Mon, Dec 21, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Todd,
>
> What does the immutable bit do at the end? Freeze my object to any further
> changes? What about 'no Moose'?
>
> I've seen it done in the manual but haven't seen an explaination.
>
> On Dec 21, 2009 10:25 AM, "Todd Rinaldo" <toddr at null.net> wrote:
>
> I'm a big fan of lazy. You're kinda randomly initializing your object
> in the object if you don't use it. Oh and per the Moose gods, don't
> forget to turn off Moose and make immutable at the end of your module.
>
> Try this:
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use Website; my $web = Website->new(name
> ='Google', url ='http://www.g...
>
> package Website; use Moose; use WWW::Mechanize;
>
> # Mech will initialize whenever it's first called.
> has '_mech' ? ?=> (isa => 'Object', is => 'ro', lazy => 1, default =>
> sub { WWW::Mechanize->new });
>
> has 'name' ?=( is ='rw', isa ='Str', required =1); has 'url' ? =(is ='rw',
> isa ='Str', required =1)...
>
> ?? ?$self->_mech->get($self->url); ?? ?return $self->_mech->content; }
>
> no Moose;
> __PACKAGE__->meta->make_immutable;
> 1;
>
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Dec 22 19:36:12 2009
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 21:36:12 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Fw: Books and News from the O'Reilly User Group
	Program--December
Message-ID: <20091222213612.7c7d903e@sovvan>



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From will.willis at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 21:08:26 2009
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:08:26 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Code/Project Hosting
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090912222108j57b77e37qdb3ffbbacedaf08a@mail.gmail.com>

Where do you host your project? Why?

The 2 popular services I'm considering are http://code.google.com/hosting/and
http://github.com/

Google seems to have more features (wiki, issues log, binary downloads)
while github wins with cool factor and is as the name implies, is managed
with git. Has anyone had good and/or bad experiences with either?

Thanks,
Will
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From robo4288 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 03:40:01 2009
From: robo4288 at gmail.com (Robert Boone)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 05:40:01 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Code/Project Hosting
In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090912222108j57b77e37qdb3ffbbacedaf08a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912222108j57b77e37qdb3ffbbacedaf08a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E19AF355-9975-4139-B271-39C1BAC351AA@gmail.com>

Github has all the features you named for google code. It just  
dependes on which scm you like.

On Dec 22, 2009, at 11:08 PM, Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where do you host your project? Why?
>
> The 2 popular services I'm considering are http://code.google.com/hosting/ 
>  and http://github.com/
>
> Google seems to have more features (wiki, issues log, binary  
> downloads) while github wins with cool factor and is as the name  
> implies, is managed with git. Has anyone had good and/or bad  
> experiences with either?
>
> Thanks,
> Will
> _______________________________________________
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Dec 23 05:24:06 2009
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:24:06 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Code/Project Hosting
In-Reply-To: <6ee1e6090912222108j57b77e37qdb3ffbbacedaf08a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ee1e6090912222108j57b77e37qdb3ffbbacedaf08a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20091223072406.642adef1@sovvan>

On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:08:26 -0600
Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:

> Where do you host your project? Why?
> 
> The 2 popular services I'm considering are
> http://code.google.com/hosting/and http://github.com/
> 
> Google seems to have more features (wiki, issues log, binary
> downloads) while github wins with cool factor and is as the name
> implies, is managed with git. Has anyone had good and/or bad
> experiences with either?

I've used both without complaint.

G. Wade
-- 
Perl's grammar can not be reduced to BNF. The work of parsing perl is
distributed between yacc, the lexer, smoke and mirrors.
                                                    -- Chaim Frenkel

From will.willis at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 05:52:24 2009
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 07:52:24 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Code/Project Hosting
In-Reply-To: <20091223072406.642adef1@sovvan>
References: <6ee1e6090912222108j57b77e37qdb3ffbbacedaf08a@mail.gmail.com>
	<20091223072406.642adef1@sovvan>
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090912230552x39f3eb93l7a4b8650a707f864@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks guys.

On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 7:24 AM, G. Wade Johnson <gwadej at anomaly.org> wrote:

> On Tue, 22 Dec 2009 23:08:26 -0600
> Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Where do you host your project? Why?
> >
> > The 2 popular services I'm considering are
> > http://code.google.com/hosting/and http://github.com/
> >
> > Google seems to have more features (wiki, issues log, binary
> > downloads) while github wins with cool factor and is as the name
> > implies, is managed with git. Has anyone had good and/or bad
> > experiences with either?
>
> I've used both without complaint.
>
> G. Wade
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> distributed between yacc, the lexer, smoke and mirrors.
>                                                    -- Chaim Frenkel
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Dec 29 14:27:47 2009
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 16:27:47 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January's meeting
Message-ID: <20091229162747.009fd261@sovvan>

Our next meeting is on Tuesday, January 12. Will Willis will be
presenting an Introduction to Perl.

We'll be meeting at the cPanel offices at 3131 W. Alabama.

I'll be adding a map to the Houston.pm website soon.

Hope to see you there.

G. Wade
-- 
It's easier to port a shell than a shell script.       -- Larry Wall