From jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com  Mon Dec  5 18:46:54 2005
From: jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com (Jay Vogt)
Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:46:54 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
References: <20051113212206.3b39baf0@sovvan>
Message-ID: <4394FB9E.8000507@houston.oilfield.slb.com>

All,

When I point to a particular Perl executable the @INC array
points to non-existent directories. I've tried to update @INC
within my script to point to the directories which do contain DBI
using the unshift technique found in the O'Reilly books (whether
in a BEGIN statement or elsewhere in the script before
I execute "use DBI"). Printing the contents of @INC (by commenting
out "use DBI") shows that the array is modified, but when including
"use DBI" I get an error that DBI.pm is not in @INC and it lists
only those non-existent directories.

The "use DBI" statement seems to be processed at script compilation
time and not following the BEGIN block. The only way my script
sees the DBI module is if I set the environment variable PERL5LIB
in an xterm before running the script. Setting $ENV{PERL5LIB}
within my script does not work.

Any suggestions on how to modify @INC from within a script
so that it is actually read?

Thanks,

Jay Vogt


From kristoferhoch at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 02:45:41 2005
From: kristoferhoch at yahoo.com (Kristofer Hoch)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 02:45:41 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
In-Reply-To: <4394FB9E.8000507@houston.oilfield.slb.com>
Message-ID: <20051206104541.76453.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jay,
    Try this at the very top of your script
  
  #!/path/to/perl 
  BEGIN { push(@INC, '/path/to/DBI/directory'); }

  
Jay Vogt <jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:  All,

When I point to a particular Perl executable the @INC array
points to non-existent directories. I've tried to update @INC
within my script to point to the directories which do contain DBI
using the unshift technique found in the O'Reilly books (whether
in a BEGIN statement or elsewhere in the script before
I execute "use DBI"). Printing the contents of @INC (by commenting
out "use DBI") shows that the array is modified, but when including
"use DBI" I get an error that DBI.pm is not in @INC and it lists
only those non-existent directories.

The "use DBI" statement seems to be processed at script compilation
time and not following the BEGIN block. The only way my script
sees the DBI module is if I set the environment variable PERL5LIB
in an xterm before running the script. Setting $ENV{PERL5LIB}
within my script does not work.

Any suggestions on how to modify @INC from within a script
so that it is actually read?

Thanks,

Jay Vogt

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From sisk at mojotoad.com  Tue Dec  6 03:10:02 2005
From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:10:02 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
In-Reply-To: <20051206104541.76453.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051206104541.76453.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051206061002.435wkss0g84s0o4w@webmail.spamcop.net>

Quoting Kristofer Hoch <kristoferhoch at yahoo.com>:
>     Try this at the very top of your script
>
>   #!/path/to/perl
>   BEGIN { push(@INC, '/path/to/DBI/directory'); }


Most recent versions of perl (I'm not sure when it was added, but definitely
present in the 5.8 series) allow the 'lib' pragma:

  #!/path/to/perl
  use lib '/path/to/DBI/dir';

Aside from not having to type BEGIN blocks, this also automatically adds
$dir/$archname/auto directories if they are present so that you include your XS
components if present.

Cheers,
Matt


From sisk at mojotoad.com  Tue Dec  6 03:10:02 2005
From: sisk at mojotoad.com (Matt Sisk)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 06:10:02 -0500
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
In-Reply-To: <20051206104541.76453.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051206104541.76453.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20051206061002.435wkss0g84s0o4w@webmail.spamcop.net>

Quoting Kristofer Hoch <kristoferhoch at yahoo.com>:
>     Try this at the very top of your script
>
>   #!/path/to/perl
>   BEGIN { push(@INC, '/path/to/DBI/directory'); }


Most recent versions of perl (I'm not sure when it was added, but definitely
present in the 5.8 series) allow the 'lib' pragma:

  #!/path/to/perl
  use lib '/path/to/DBI/dir';

Aside from not having to type BEGIN blocks, this also automatically adds
$dir/$archname/auto directories if they are present so that you include your XS
components if present.

Cheers,
Matt


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Dec  6 05:10:04 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 07:10:04 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
In-Reply-To: <4394FB9E.8000507@houston.oilfield.slb.com>
References: <20051113212206.3b39baf0@sovvan>
	<4394FB9E.8000507@houston.oilfield.slb.com>
Message-ID: <20051206071004.0ad64eed@sovvan>

As suggested by several people the "use lib" and begin block techniques should
both solve yuor problem.

I would be concerned about 'the @INC array points to non-existent
directories'. This normally means one of two things:

1. Someone built the Perl distribution for one location, and then moved
   the directory structure to a different location.
2. Someone downloaded a binary Perl distribution and installed it in a
   different location than it was built for.

You need to check with whoever installed your Perl and get them to correct
this. Depending on what all is missing you may not be able to 'use lib' or
even 'use strict'.

Recompiling Perl for a particular location is pretty straight-forward (at
least under Unix). Under Windows, the ActiveState installer sets everything up
correctly, so there should be no need to move the directories.

G. Wade

On Mon, 05 Dec 2005 20:46:54 -0600
Jay Vogt <jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:

> All,
> 
> When I point to a particular Perl executable the @INC array
> points to non-existent directories. I've tried to update @INC
> within my script to point to the directories which do contain DBI
> using the unshift technique found in the O'Reilly books (whether
> in a BEGIN statement or elsewhere in the script before
> I execute "use DBI"). Printing the contents of @INC (by commenting
> out "use DBI") shows that the array is modified, but when including
> "use DBI" I get an error that DBI.pm is not in @INC and it lists
> only those non-existent directories.
> 
> The "use DBI" statement seems to be processed at script compilation
> time and not following the BEGIN block. The only way my script
> sees the DBI module is if I set the environment variable PERL5LIB
> in an xterm before running the script. Setting $ENV{PERL5LIB}
> within my script does not work.
> 
> Any suggestions on how to modify @INC from within a script
> so that it is actually read?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jay Vogt
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Houston at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston


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From jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com  Tue Dec  6 16:23:21 2005
From: jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com (Jay Vogt)
Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:23:21 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
References: <20051206104541.76453.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43962B79.10504@houston.oilfield.slb.com>

All,

Thanks for the suggestions. Error came from a mistaken belief
that the BEGIN statement would be executed first regardless of
its position in the script. All worked fine once I move the BEGIN
block to the very beginning of the script as Kristofer indicated.
Not sure where I go the notion that BEGIN statement did not have
to be at the start of the script.

Wade - the reason for the perl with non-existent directories for @INC
is because it is sent to clients who can install in any directory they
want. I don't suppose that @INC can point to directories with
relative paths or variables in them.

Thanks,

Jay Vogt

Kristofer Hoch wrote:

> Jay,
>   Try this at the very top of your script
>
> #!/path/to/perl
> BEGIN { push(@INC, '/path/to/DBI/directory'); }
>
>
> Jay Vogt <jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:
>
>     All,
>
>     When I point to a particular Perl executable the @INC array
>     points to non-existent directories. I've tried to update @INC
>     within my script to point to the directories which do contain DBI
>     using the unshift technique found in the O'Reilly books (whether
>     in a BEGIN statement or elsewhere in the script before
>     I execute "use DBI"). Printing the contents of @INC (by commenting
>     out "use DBI") shows that the array is modified, but when including
>     "use DBI" I get an error that DBI.pm is not in @INC and it lists
>     only those non-existent directories.
>
>     The "use DBI" statement seems to be processed a t script compilation
>     time and not following the BEGIN block. The only way my script
>     sees the DBI module is if I set the environment variable PERL5LIB
>     in an xterm before running the script. Setting $ENV{PERL5LIB}
>     within my script does not work.
>
>     Any suggestions on how to modify @INC from within a script
>     so that it is actually read?
>
>     Thanks,
>
>     Jay Vogt
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Houston mailing list
>     Houston at pm.org
>     http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/houston
>
>
>
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From kristoferhoch at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  6 16:57:35 2005
From: kristoferhoch at yahoo.com (Kristofer Hoch)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 16:57:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
In-Reply-To: <43962B79.10504@houston.oilfield.slb.com>
Message-ID: <20051207005735.29875.qmail@web33307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Jay,
    That BEGIN trick is commonly used to create a singleton design  pattern.  It is very misleading, and you really have read the Perl  documentation to understand what to do and when.
  
    Glad to help,
  
  Kristofer 

Jay Vogt <jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:              All,
  
  Thanks for the suggestions. Error came from a mistaken belief
  that the BEGIN statement would be executed first regardless of
  its position in the script. All worked fine once I move the BEGIN
  block to the very beginning of the script as Kristofer indicated.
  Not sure where I go the notion that BEGIN statement did not have
  to be at the start of the script.
  
  Wade - the reason for the perl with non-existent directories for @INC
  is because it is sent to clients who can install in any directory they
  want. I don't suppose that @INC can point to directories with 
  relative paths or variables in them.
  
  Thanks,
  
  Jay Vogt
  
  Kristofer Hoch wrote:
      Jay,
      Try this at the very top of your script
    
    #!/path/to/perl 
    BEGIN { push(@INC, '/path/to/DBI/directory'); }
    
    
    Jay Vogt <jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:       All,
      
  When I point to a particular Perl executable the @INC array
  points to non-existent directories. I've tried to update @INC
  within my script to point to the directories which do contain DBI
  using the unshift technique found in the O'Reilly books (whether
  in a BEGIN statement or elsewhere in the script before
  I execute "use DBI"). Printing the contents of @INC (by commenting
  out "use DBI") shows that the array is modified, but when including
  "use DBI" I get an error that DBI.pm is not in @INC and it lists
  only those non-existent directories.
      
  The "use DBI" statement seems to be processed a  t script  compilation
  time and not following the BEGIN block. The only way my script
  sees the DBI module is if I set the environment variable PERL5LIB
  in an xterm before running the script. Setting $ENV{PERL5LIB}
  within my script does not work.
      
  Any suggestions on how to modify @INC from within a script
  so that it is actually read?
      
  Thanks,
      
  Jay Vogt
      
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Dec  6 17:21:14 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 19:21:14 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] How to update @INC from within a script?
In-Reply-To: <43962B79.10504@houston.oilfield.slb.com>
References: <20051206104541.76453.qmail@web33309.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<43962B79.10504@houston.oilfield.slb.com>
Message-ID: <20051206192114.2a50d4ef@sovvan>

On Tue, 06 Dec 2005 18:23:21 -0600
Jay Vogt <jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com> wrote:

[snip]

> Wade - the reason for the perl with non-existent directories for @INC
> is because it is sent to clients who can install in any directory they
> want. I don't suppose that @INC can point to directories with
> relative paths or variables in them.

If the libraries you are trying to access are part of your program, a standard
approach combines "use lib" with the FindBin module.

1. Put your libraries in a lib subdirectory of the directory where your script
will live (as part of the install).

2. At the top of your script add the following:

use FindBin;
use lib "$FindBin::Bin/lib";

Now any modules you include will also reference the lib subdirectory of your
installation.

The $FindBin::Bin variable contains the directory your script executed from.
The path in the 'use lib' can be any path relative to that. (including using
.. to go to parent directory, etc.)

I've found this useful in a few installations.

I believe FindBin is available back through Perl 5.6.

G. Wade

-- 
Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried
it.                                                  -- Donald Knuth

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Dec  7 04:57:11 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 06:57:11 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Survey question
Message-ID: <20051207065711.39c5987a@sovvan>

In an effort to get an idea of who is in the group, I thought I'd ask:

Which version of Perl are you using?

I'm using 5.8.3 under Linux and 5.8.4 (ActiveState) under Windows.

Anyone else?

G. Wade
-- 
Why do your people ask if someone's ready right before you are going to do
something massively unwise?        -- Delenn - "The War without End"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Dec  7 05:19:49 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:19:49 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl Advent Calendar
Message-ID: <20051207071949.04fccb33@sovvan>

It appears that Mark Fowler is not doing the Perl Advent calendar this year.
However, if you need your fix, we have Yet An Perl Advent Calendar at

http://web.mit.edu/belg4mit/www/

G. Wade

-- 
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it.                                                  -- Donald Knuth

From mikeflan at earthlink.net  Wed Dec  7 05:20:50 2005
From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:20:50 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Survey question
References: <20051207065711.39c5987a@sovvan>
Message-ID: <4396E1B2.F6669E10@earthlink.net>


I use 5.8.0 under Windows.

For those that don't know, the way to find out is
perl -V
at the command prompt


Mike


"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:

> In an effort to get an idea of who is in the group, I thought I'd ask:
>
> Which version of Perl are you using?
>
> I'm using 5.8.3 under Linux and 5.8.4 (ActiveState) under Windows.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> G. Wade


From kristoferhoch at yahoo.com  Wed Dec  7 05:26:35 2005
From: kristoferhoch at yahoo.com (Kristofer Hoch)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 05:26:35 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [pm-h] Survey question
In-Reply-To: <4396E1B2.F6669E10@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051207132635.97886.qmail@web33306.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

At work I use 5.6.1.638.  At home I use Active State 5.8.3, and the same on my web server (www.heraldsofazeroth.net).  Most of that site is PhP because I can't get the admins to install mod_perl :( 
   
  

Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at earthlink.net> wrote:
  
I use 5.8.0 under Windows.

For those that don't know, the way to find out is
perl -V
at the command prompt


Mike


"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:

> In an effort to get an idea of who is in the group, I thought I'd ask:
>
> Which version of Perl are you using?
>
> I'm using 5.8.3 under Linux and 5.8.4 (ActiveState) under Windows.
>
> Anyone else?
>
> G. Wade

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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Dec  7 05:30:37 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 07:30:37 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Survey question
In-Reply-To: <4396E1B2.F6669E10@earthlink.net>
References: <20051207065711.39c5987a@sovvan> <4396E1B2.F6669E10@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <20051207073037.7361cea9@sovvan>

On Wed, 07 Dec 2005 07:20:50 -0600
Mike Flannigan <mikeflan at earthlink.net> wrote:

> 
> I use 5.8.0 under Windows.
> 
> For those that don't know, the way to find out is
> perl -V
> at the command prompt

Thanks for pointing that out, Mike.

   perl -v 

Gives just the version and license information.

   perl -V

Gives those and other goodies, like the list of your include directories.

G. Wade
-- 
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From jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com  Wed Dec  7 12:05:22 2005
From: jvogt at houston.oilfield.slb.com (Jay Vogt)
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 14:05:22 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Survey question
References: <20051207065711.39c5987a@sovvan>
Message-ID: <43974082.3080500@houston.oilfield.slb.com>

I use the installations we have at my office:

5.6.1 for UNIX Solaris 8
5.8.5 for UNIX Solaris 8 and Linux RH3 Update 4.

Jay Vogt

G. Wade Johnson wrote:

>In an effort to get an idea of who is in the group, I thought I'd ask:
>
>Which version of Perl are you using?
>
>I'm using 5.8.3 under Linux and 5.8.4 (ActiveState) under Windows.
>
>Anyone else?
>
>G. Wade
>  
>


From James.Abel at halliburton.com  Wed Dec  7 12:09:19 2005
From: James.Abel at halliburton.com (James Abel)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2005 14:09:19 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Houston Digest, Vol 13, Issue 3
Message-ID: <0D59B72121BD4442ADD21AF16280179B02B85F81@houexch301.corp.kbr.com>

Looks like I am running ActiveState 5.8.6 on all of my machines here at
work.  Suspect the same at home.

James Abel
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From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Dec 13 04:41:46 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 06:41:46 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] No Meeting Tonight
Message-ID: <20051213064146.0389d495@sovvan>

Sorry I didn't send this out sooner. As we said earlier, there is no December
meeting tonight.

Happy Holidays, everyone.

G. Wade
-- 
"No Boom today. Boom tomorrow, There's always a boom tomorrow."
                                                 -- Ivanova, "Grail"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Tue Dec 13 18:17:10 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:17:10 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl Mongers Census
Message-ID: <20051213201710.2cf4e549@sovvan>

The official Perl Mongers groups census is out.
We show as active, but not very. See how we compare to others.

http://www.pm.org/census/2005/list.html

G. Wade
-- 
Always hold a grudge. Keeps the memory sharp.  -- Hagar the Horrible

From mikeflan at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 13 18:51:56 2005
From: mikeflan at earthlink.net (Mike Flannigan)
Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:51:56 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl Mongers Census
References: <20051213201710.2cf4e549@sovvan>
Message-ID: <439F88CC.14DEA9@earthlink.net>


>From what I saw, at least we have one of the better
websites  :-)


Mike


"G. Wade Johnson" wrote:

> The official Perl Mongers groups census is out.
> We show as active, but not very. See how we compare to others.
>
> http://www.pm.org/census/2005/list.html
>
> G. Wade


From gwadej at anomaly.org  Sun Dec 18 19:46:03 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 21:46:03 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] Perl's Birthday
Message-ID: <20051218214603.0c306609@sovvan>

If my notes are correct, today (12/18) was the Anniversary of the first
version of Perl.

G. Wade
-- 
Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more
violent. It takes a touch of genius, and a lot of courage, to move in the
opposite direction.                               -- Albert Einstein

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Dec 28 21:52:05 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:52:05 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January's Meeting Topic
Message-ID: <20051228235205.34ffb375@sovvan>

Unfortunately, Paul Archer and I have not made as much progress on our GUI
library comparisons as planned. Paul has volunteered to lead a programming
session on accessing a USB device that he has been working on.

Hopefully, we will be able to do the GUI comparison in February.

G. Wade
-- 
"No Boom today. Boom tomorrow, There's always a boom tomorrow."
                                                 -- Ivanova, "Grail"

From gwadej at anomaly.org  Wed Dec 28 21:52:05 2005
From: gwadej at anomaly.org (G. Wade Johnson)
Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2005 23:52:05 -0600
Subject: [pm-h] January's Meeting Topic
Message-ID: <20051228235205.34ffb375@sovvan>

Unfortunately, Paul Archer and I have not made as much progress on our GUI
library comparisons as planned. Paul has volunteered to lead a programming
session on accessing a USB device that he has been working on.

Hopefully, we will be able to do the GUI comparison in February.

G. Wade
-- 
"No Boom today. Boom tomorrow, There's always a boom tomorrow."
                                                 -- Ivanova, "Grail"