From jarich at perltraining.com.au Fri Nov 16 01:03:21 2007 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (jarich at perltraining.com.au) Date: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:03:21 +1100 (EST) Subject: [hbpm] OSDC 2007's Fabulous Keynotes! Message-ID: <20071116090321.80947A8B85@teddybear.perltraining.com.au> Dear HawkesBay PM members, Final reminder! Register now for the Open Source Developers' Conference 2007: http://www.osdc.com.au/registration/index.html Key information: 26th November - Tutorials 27th - 29th November - Technical programme 28th November - Google Conference Dinner Royal on the Park Hotel Cnr Alice & Albert Streets Brisbane CBD Queensland Each full registration ($325) includes one dinner ticket (until sold out). Single day tickets are also available for $150. Check out our tutorial program at http://www.cgpublisher.com/conferences/107/web/program-detail.html Keynote talks this year include: Rusty Russell: "C: A Humbling Language" ------------------------------------------------------------------ Some languages have beautiful constructs and elegant power. Others have novelty and fresh ideas. Surely C is a sometimes-necessary evil, and been around so long that there's nothing new to discover about it? So what kind of retarded masochist would select C as their language of choice? And why? Rasmus Lerdorf: "Exploring the Broken Web" ------------------------------------------------------------------ XSS and XSRF has been a thorn in the side of the web for years now. Rasmus will show some very common mistakes people make and tie it to the real world by showing a vulnerability in actual sites. Paul Fenwick: "An Illustrated History of Failure" ------------------------------------------------------------------ The average individual is given little scope for failure, at least not the type that really matters. The opportunity for catastrophic failure, that influences nations or continents, has been traditionally reserved for royalty, parliament, and others in a position of great leadership. However in recent times we have developed a profession who have the opportunity to fail like never before. A profession that can make mistakes that are so monumental, so wide-reaching, and so costly they can shake civilisation to its very core. This elite group, rarely seen by every day society, are the foundation upon which modern society depends. The few, the proud, the Software Developer. Join us for a voyage of discovery, as we travel back through history to some of the most monumental failures the world has ever seen. Jonathan Oxer: "Software Freedom: Pragmatic Idealism?" ------------------------------------------------------------------ The Free / Open Source Software (FOSS) community is incredibly diverse with a corresponding variety of reasons for participation. At one end of the scale is dreamy idealism, which aims to free all information for the good of mankind. At the other end is economic pragmatism, which sees Open Source as a powerful business opportunity and software development model. Is there common middle ground where both ends of the spectrum can meet? Can Free Software really can be Pragmatic Idealism? And what are we doing as a country in terms of building a sustainable local ICT industry? Be a part of this fantastic conference and help it be the best developers' conference this year! If your business would like to benefit from exposure to many of Australia's best open source developers then perhaps you should consider sponsorship. We have a wide range of sponsorship options, to find out more information please visit: http://www.osdc.com.au/sponsors/index.html Jacinta Richardson OSDC Publicity Officer From george at metaart.org Mon Nov 19 20:51:23 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon, 19 Nov 2007 20:51:23 -0800 Subject: [hbpm] HawkesBay.pm Website? Message-ID: <200711192051.23151.george@metaart.org> hi all, for a while now, i've been unable to access the website of HawkesBay.pm. last time i tried, i got an error page with the following message on it: Not Found The requested URL / was not found on this server. is anyone else having a problem accessing the website? does anyone know what's going on? when i looked on perl mongers. i did not find HawkesBay.pm listed. does that seem right? - george From jarich at perltraining.com.au Mon Nov 19 22:31:15 2007 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:31:15 +1100 Subject: [hbpm] HawkesBay.pm Website? In-Reply-To: <200711192051.23151.george@metaart.org> References: <200711192051.23151.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <47427F33.6070709@perltraining.com.au> > is anyone else having a problem accessing the website? > does anyone know what's going on? > > when i looked on perl mongers. > i did not find HawkesBay.pm listed. > does that seem right? Every few years or so, the PM Groups Leader (it was Dave Cross, but I think he's passed the baton on) seems to get an itch to cull the PM groups that appear inactive. The greatest was in 2002 and another followed the census at the end of 2005 (http://www.pm.org/census/2005/). Since Hawkes Bay apparently survived both of those, I don't know why it's lost its status now, but its not irrevocable. The two most important criteria for "active" seems to be * Does the PM group leader respond to emails from the PM GRoups Leader? * Is the website even slightly/remotely current? To resurrect the group, we need Daniel Hopkirk to contact support at pm.org following the below instructions: http://groups.pm.org/faq.html#how_do_i_request_a_new_group_or_to_reactivate_a_group_that_has_been_inactive To keep it alive, it would help if the list had more discussion, and if you met occasionally (even once every three months) while updating that information on your website. There are some useful hints on running a successful PM group available: http://www.pm.org/successful/index.html If Daniel Hopkirk isn't interested in running the group anymore, he can cede that responsibility to anyone he chooses. Once the group is re-recognised (which is important as otherwise the list might also be culled), it should have a website and be listed on www.pm.org again. It's also allowable to have more than one person registered (with their own WebDAV details) as website maintainers. All the best, Jacinta -- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ | Jacinta Richardson | `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) | Perl Training Australia | (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' | +61 3 9354 6001 | _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' | contact at perltraining.com.au | (il),-'' (li),' ((!.-' | www.perltraining.com.au | From george at metaart.org Tue Nov 20 17:39:42 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:39:42 -0800 Subject: [hbpm] best books? Message-ID: <200711201739.42753.george@metaart.org> hi all, what's your favorite technical-related book or books? - george p.s. i'll answer the question myself later. From george at metaart.org Tue Nov 20 17:39:49 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 17:39:49 -0800 Subject: [hbpm] HawkesBay.pm Website? In-Reply-To: <47427F33.6070709@perltraining.com.au> References: <200711192051.23151.george@metaart.org> <47427F33.6070709@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <200711201739.49666.george@metaart.org> hi jacinta, thanks for speaking to my concerns. - george p.s.since i live in california, i likely will not be: * coming to meetings (if there are any) * a good possibility for coordinating the group however, i guess i could try to stir up some discussion on the list. On Monday 19 November 2007 22:31, Jacinta Richardson wrote: > > is anyone else having a problem accessing the website? > > does anyone know what's going on? > > > > when i looked on perl mongers. > > i did not find HawkesBay.pm listed. > > does that seem right? > > Every few years or so, the PM Groups Leader (it was Dave Cross, but I think > he's passed the baton on) seems to get an itch to cull the PM groups that > appear inactive. The greatest was in 2002 and another followed the census > at the end of 2005 (http://www.pm.org/census/2005/). Since Hawkes Bay > apparently survived both of those, I don't know why it's lost its status > now, but its not irrevocable. > > The two most important criteria for "active" seems to be > > * Does the PM group leader respond to emails from the PM GRoups Leader? > * Is the website even slightly/remotely current? > > To resurrect the group, we need Daniel Hopkirk to contact support at pm.org > following the below instructions: > > http://groups.pm.org/faq.html#how_do_i_request_a_new_group_or_to_reactivate >_a_group_that_has_been_inactive > > To keep it alive, it would help if the list had more discussion, and if you > met occasionally (even once every three months) while updating that > information on your website. There are some useful hints on running a > successful PM group available: > > http://www.pm.org/successful/index.html > > If Daniel Hopkirk isn't interested in running the group anymore, he can > cede that responsibility to anyone he chooses. Once the group is > re-recognised (which is important as otherwise the list might also be > culled), it should have a website and be listed on www.pm.org again. It's > also allowable to have more than one person registered (with their own > WebDAV details) as website maintainers. > > All the best, > > Jacinta From george at metaart.org Tue Nov 20 18:10:05 2007 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2007 18:10:05 -0800 Subject: [hbpm] Fonts & Encodings? Message-ID: <200711201810.05957.george@metaart.org> hi all, has anyone read 'fonts & encodings'? if so, do you have any comments? i'm working my way through it. so far, it seems: * full of valuable information * exceptionally well-written i'm very interested in the topic of the book, unfortunately, my background in the area is quite limited. :( - george