From kirjava at paradise.net.nz Mon Oct 6 23:03:31 2003 From: kirjava at paradise.net.nz (Rene Bartosh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test Message-ID: <3F823B13.3000000@paradise.net.nz> This is a test message, sorry you have to receive it. I think I might have a problem with the e-mail. -- From Rene Bartosh My Site: http://hblug.org.nz/kirjava/ From george at metaart.org Tue Oct 7 00:10:09 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] [uocz] grfg In-Reply-To: <000901c35272$c5b0e600$1500a8c0@Citadel> References: <200303182348.28042.george@metaart.org> <200307241838.02126.george@metaart.org> <000901c35272$c5b0e600$1500a8c0@Citadel> Message-ID: <200310062210.10042.george@metaart.org> Jryy, ab ceboyrz urer. Jub xabjf, znlor lbhe grfg zrffntr jvyy yrnq gb fbzr qvnybthr urer. -- trbetr bs Bnxynaq.cz naq Pnzrybg.cz From george at metaart.org Tue Oct 7 00:34:54 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Review of "Even Grues Get Full" In-Reply-To: <000901c35272$c5b0e600$1500a8c0@Citadel> References: <200303182348.28042.george@metaart.org> <200307241838.02126.george@metaart.org> <000901c35272$c5b0e600$1500a8c0@Citadel> Message-ID: <200310062234.54709.george@metaart.org> I recently got turned on to the User Friendly comic strip by somone at O'Reilly. I've now read all four of the dead tree compilations of the strip. The last compilation is called "Even Grues Get Full". My review of it is on the Oakland.pm site at: http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/grues.html If you aren't already enmeshed in User Friendly, you may wish to check out the User Friendly site at: http://www.userfriendly.org/ The books and the site are very very funny. george of Oakland.pm and Camelot.pm P.S. Here in California we need all the humor we can get. Tomorrow we are having a special election primarily to determine if our governor will be recalled and if so who will replace him. There are 135 candidates (really!) on the ballot vying to replace the governor. From gordon at kwister.com Tue Oct 7 01:58:56 2003 From: gordon at kwister.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test In-Reply-To: <3F823B13.3000000@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> 05:03 PM 10/7/03 +1300 Rene Bartosh wrote >This is a test message, sorry you have to receive it. I think I might have >a problem with the e-mail. > >-- > From Rene Bartosh Whats this group about ? I remember subscribing however ive totally forgotten why ;) G From george at metaart.org Tue Oct 7 20:50:01 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> Message-ID: <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> On Monday 06 October 2003 11:58 pm, Gordon Stewart wrote: > 05:03 PM 10/7/03 +1300 Rene Bartosh wrote > > >This is a test message, sorry you have to receive it. I think I might have > >a problem with the e-mail. > > > >-- > > From Rene Bartosh > > Whats this group about ? > > I remember subscribing however ive totally forgotten why ;) > > G Good question. Daniel Hopkirk is our group leader. Let's see what he says. Also, the first few lines of the home page speak to the question. See cut & paste after my "signature". George of Oakland.pm and Camelot.pm Cut & Paste from HawkesBay.pm Website at http://hawkesbay.pm.org ............................................ Welcome to the Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers Website. My name is Daniel, and I created this site with the concept of providing a central point for local Perl programmers, as well as linux users or other programmers, to congregate online. From kirjava at paradise.net.nz Tue Oct 7 23:51:30 2003 From: kirjava at paradise.net.nz (Rene Bartosh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test In-Reply-To: <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <3F8397D2.4010507@paradise.net.nz> George Woolley wrote: > Welcome to the Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers Website. > > My name is Daniel, and I created this site with the concept of providing a > central point for local Perl programmers, as well as linux users or other > programmers, to congregate online. Well, I play with PHP, two of my projects are Pakupaku CMS (http://pakupaku.sf.net/) and JRT (http://jrt.jabberstudio.org/). Rene I'm also the webmaster of the Hawkes Bay Linux User Group. -- From Rene Bartosh My Site: http://hblug.org.nz/kirjava/ From george at metaart.org Wed Oct 8 01:29:10 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test > Introductions? In-Reply-To: <3F8397D2.4010507@paradise.net.nz> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> <3F8397D2.4010507@paradise.net.nz> Message-ID: <200310072329.10800.george@metaart.org> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 9:51 pm, Rene Bartosh wrote: > George Woolley wrote: > > Welcome to the Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers Website. > > > > My name is Daniel, and I created this site with the concept of providing > > a central point for local Perl programmers, as well as linux users or > > other programmers, to congregate online. > > Well, I play with PHP, two of my projects are Pakupaku CMS > (http://pakupaku.sf.net/) and JRT (http://jrt.jabberstudio.org/). > > Rene > > I'm also the webmaster of the Hawkes Bay Linux User Group. OK. You've led the way. Perhaps, it would be a good time to introduce (or reintroduce) ourselves. Here's what it says about me on the Oakland.pm members page roles around here: * founder, group leader * webmaster brief profile: * avid Perl user and Perl advocate (since 1994). * favors Perl culture. see Camelot.pm site * web author. software developer, training developer. * has two PCs running SuSE Linux and an old MAC. * for more, see my personal site. [Ooops, the links disappear with the cut & paste. They are: * http://camelot.pm.org/ * http://www.metaart.org/george/ ] Anyone else? -- george P.S. Just to be entirely clear: the passage above that begins by welcoming us to the Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers is from the home page Daniel Hopkirk put together for the Hawkes Bay group. From hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz Thu Oct 9 15:42:14 2003 From: hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz (Daniel Hopkirk) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <001001c38ea5$d28efc80$1500a8c0@citadel> Greetings all (or both), Well, I think George's little cut & paste has it summed up fairly well. I am sad to say however that it has by no means become much of its original vision. We currently have 4 subscribers including myself; one being my uncle who joined but has no idea or care about Perl or programming, one from Oakland (that would be George) who has been tremendous help and inspiration in getting the site to exist at all, and one who cant remember what the whole thing is about. I would like to say that I still have hope, but I really dont even have motivation to update the site or participate in my own mailing list these days, so why should I expext anyone else to. At the moment I have been busy setting up a company, and designing a web site for that, so I may soon even consider disbanding the HBPM site, unless I can get some more interest, but that dosent seem likley. If I do disband, I will transfer the current stuff to my company server, and have it for the current members, but I doubt I will do any upgrading unless more interest is shown from any local Perl geeks or programmers/computer geeks in general. Thankyou both for subscribing and contributing. I will keep you informed as to what I am doing. Regards, Daniel Hopkirk CogNetTech ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Woolley" To: "HawkesBay.pm" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [hbpm] test > On Monday 06 October 2003 11:58 pm, Gordon Stewart wrote: > > 05:03 PM 10/7/03 +1300 Rene Bartosh wrote > > > > >This is a test message, sorry you have to receive it. I think I might have > > >a problem with the e-mail. > > > > > >-- > > > From Rene Bartosh > > > > Whats this group about ? > > > > I remember subscribing however ive totally forgotten why ;) > > > > G > > Good question. > Daniel Hopkirk is our group leader. > Let's see what he says. > > Also, the first few lines of the home page > speak to the question. > See cut & paste after my "signature". > > George of Oakland.pm and Camelot.pm > > Cut & Paste from HawkesBay.pm Website > at http://hawkesbay.pm.org > ............................................ > Welcome to the Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers Website. > > My name is Daniel, and I created this site with the concept of providing a > central point for local Perl programmers, as well as linux users or other > programmers, to congregate online. > _______________________________________________ > Hawkesbay mailing list > Hawkesbay@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkesbay From hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz Thu Oct 9 15:44:03 2003 From: hoppers99 at maxnet.co.nz (Daniel Hopkirk) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> Message-ID: <001801c38ea6$133ac5c0$1500a8c0@citadel> Oops, I forgot Rene, sorry. That makes our membership stand at 5 I think, although I must check. Regards, Daniel Hopkirk CogNetTech ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Woolley" To: "HawkesBay.pm" Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Re: [hbpm] test > On Monday 06 October 2003 11:58 pm, Gordon Stewart wrote: > > 05:03 PM 10/7/03 +1300 Rene Bartosh wrote > > > > >This is a test message, sorry you have to receive it. I think I might have > > >a problem with the e-mail. > > > > > >-- > > > From Rene Bartosh > > > > Whats this group about ? > > > > I remember subscribing however ive totally forgotten why ;) > > > > G > > Good question. > Daniel Hopkirk is our group leader. > Let's see what he says. > > Also, the first few lines of the home page > speak to the question. > See cut & paste after my "signature". > > George of Oakland.pm and Camelot.pm > > Cut & Paste from HawkesBay.pm Website > at http://hawkesbay.pm.org > ............................................ > Welcome to the Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers Website. > > My name is Daniel, and I created this site with the concept of providing a > central point for local Perl programmers, as well as linux users or other > programmers, to congregate online. > _______________________________________________ > Hawkesbay mailing list > Hawkesbay@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hawkesbay From george at metaart.org Sun Oct 12 18:36:30 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] Review of "Regular Expression Pocket Reference" In-Reply-To: <001801c38ea6$133ac5c0$1500a8c0@citadel> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> <001801c38ea6$133ac5c0$1500a8c0@citadel> Message-ID: <200310121636.31001.george@metaart.org> One way to look at Perl is as the best language for manipulating text. At the center of what makes it so good for this is * the implementation of regular expressions * including how regular expressions are integrated with the rest of the language. As far as I'm aware, Perl has easily the best implementation of regular expressions around. Long before Perl existed, there were regular expressions in various Unix utitilites such as grep, awk and sed. The success of Perl has led to a great deal of attention being placed on regular expressions. Now there are also strong implementations in Java, Javascript, Python, etc. The "Regular Expression Pocket Reference" by Tony Stubblebine summarizes the current capabilities for regexes in * GNU egrep, GNU awk, GNU sed, vi/vim * Perl 5.8, Java, JavaScript, Python, etc. * .NET, C# I've found the book quite useful. My review of it is at http://oakland.pm.org/reviews/regexppr.html I'd be very interested in your thoughts on any of the following * regular expressions * the book * my review of the book George From george at metaart.org Wed Oct 15 23:48:36 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test > What's this Group about? In-Reply-To: <001001c38ea5$d28efc80$1500a8c0@citadel> References: <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> <001001c38ea5$d28efc80$1500a8c0@citadel> Message-ID: <200310152148.36748.george@metaart.org> Gordon, Did the subsequent posts jog your memory as to why you subscribed? If so, it would be most interesting to know why. <<< Who can say, perhaps we'd be able to supply some of whatever you seek. George On Thursday 09 October 2003 1:42 pm, Daniel Hopkirk wrote: > Greetings all (or both), > > Well, I think George's little cut & paste has it summed up fairly well. I > am sad to say however that it has by no means become much of its original > vision. We currently have 4 subscribers including myself; one being my > uncle who joined but has no idea or care about Perl or programming, one > from Oakland (that would be George) who has been tremendous help and > inspiration in getting the site to exist at all, and one who cant remember > what the whole thing is about. > > I would like to say that I still have hope, but I really dont even have > motivation to update the site or participate in my own mailing list these > days, so why should I expext anyone else to. > > At the moment I have been busy setting up a company, and designing a web > site for that, so I may soon even consider disbanding the HBPM site, unless > I can get some more interest, but that dosent seem likley. If I do disband, > I will transfer the current stuff to my company server, and have it for the > current members, but I doubt I will do any upgrading unless more interest > is shown from any local Perl geeks or programmers/computer geeks in > general. > > Thankyou both for subscribing and contributing. I will keep you informed as > to what I am doing. > > > Regards, > Daniel Hopkirk > CogNetTech > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "George Woolley" > To: "HawkesBay.pm" > Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 2:50 PM > Subject: Re: [hbpm] test > > > On Monday 06 October 2003 11:58 pm, Gordon Stewart wrote: > > > 05:03 PM 10/7/03 +1300 Rene Bartosh wrote > > > > > > >This is a test message, sorry you have to receive it. I think I might > > have > > > > >a problem with the e-mail. > > > > > > > >-- > > > > From Rene Bartosh > > > > > > Whats this group about ? > > > > > > I remember subscribing however ive totally forgotten why ;) <<< > > > > > > G > > > > Good question. > > Daniel Hopkirk is our group leader. > > Let's see what he says. > > > > Also, the first few lines of the home page > > speak to the question. > > See cut & paste after my "signature". > > > > George of Oakland.pm and Camelot.pm > > > > Cut & Paste from HawkesBay.pm Website > > at http://hawkesbay.pm.org > > ............................................ > > Welcome to the Hawkes Bay Perl Mongers Website. > > > > My name is Daniel, and I created this site with the concept of providing > > a central point for local Perl programmers, as well as linux users or > > other programmers, to congregate online. From gordon at kwister.com Thu Oct 16 03:54:50 2003 From: gordon at kwister.com (Gordon Stewart) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] test > What's this Group about? In-Reply-To: <200310152148.36748.george@metaart.org> References: <001001c38ea5$d28efc80$1500a8c0@citadel> <5.2.0.9.0.20031007195806.009e6bd0@mail.kwister.com> <200310071850.02185.george@metaart.org> <001001c38ea5$d28efc80$1500a8c0@citadel> Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20031016215429.009e8b50@mail.kwister.com> 09:48 PM 10/15/03 -0700 George Woolley wrote >Gordon, >Did the subsequent posts jog your memory >as to why you subscribed? >If so, it would be most interesting to know why. <<< > >Who can say, perhaps we'd be able to supply >some of whatever you seek. Yep - I know G From george at metaart.org Thu Oct 16 03:52:22 2003 From: george at metaart.org (George Woolley) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:38 2004 Subject: [hbpm] What's this Group about? > Why subscribe? In-Reply-To: <5.2.0.9.0.20031016215429.009e8b50@mail.kwister.com> References: <001001c38ea5$d28efc80$1500a8c0@citadel> <5.2.0.9.0.20031016215429.009e8b50@mail.kwister.com> Message-ID: <200310160152.22507.george@metaart.org> On Thursday 16 October 2003 1:54 am, Gordon Stewart wrote: > 09:48 PM 10/15/03 -0700 George Woolley wrote > > >Gordon, > >Did the subsequent posts jog your memory > >as to why you subscribed? > >If so, it would be most interesting to know why. <<< > > > >Who can say, perhaps we'd be able to supply > >some of whatever you seek. > > Yep - I know > > G Gordon, No problem. We don't need to know why you subscribed. Anyway, good luck on your quest, whatever it is. George