From ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn Mon Jul 12 03:27:12 2004 From: ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn (Nam) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] =?iso-8859-1?q?FW=3A_=5BFwd=3A_Mo=5E=2Et_so=5E=27_=FD_ki?= =?iso-8859-1?q?e=5E=27n_ve=5E=60_ng=E0y_28/8=5D?= Message-ID: <000e01c467ea$0cb01110$0400000a@nam> This email is forwarded from Mr. Nguyen Hong Quang, IFI -----Original Message----- From: Nguyen Hong Quang [mailto:nguyen.hong.quang@auf.org] Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:04 PM To: ndviet4389@hn.vnn.vn Cc: vu.do.quynh@auf.org Subject: [Fwd: Mo^.t so^' ? kie^'n ve^` ng?y 28/8] Hi Nam, Minh co may y kien ve viec to chuc ngay 28/8, song lai khong co quyen post len mailing list. Nho Nam post len ho vay. Cam on. Quang -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Mo^.t so^' ? kie^'n ve^` ng?y 28/8 Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 23:35:10 -0500 From: hanoi-pm-owner@mail.pm.org To: nguyen.hong.quang@auf.org You are not allowed to post to this mailing list, and your message has been automatically rejected. If you think that your messages are being rejected in error, contact the mailing list owner at hanoi-pm-owner@mail.pm.org. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: sfd.rtf Type: application/msword Size: 7019 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hanoi-pm/attachments/20040712/0f88edea/sfd.dot From vern.weitzel at undp.org Wed Jul 14 17:05:08 2004 From: vern.weitzel at undp.org (Vern Weitzel) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] on dealing with arguments In-Reply-To: <000e01c467ea$0cb01110$0400000a@nam> References: <000e01c467ea$0cb01110$0400000a@nam> Message-ID: <40F5AE14.9010202@undp.org> Sorry everyone. I've been offline for a couple days with a technical problem. For the moment I would like to say something for a neutral approach to this event. The question for me is not the differences among free and busniss or hackers and others but how we can present to the broad community in Viet Nam our common interests. I am very concerned that a poor, unified presentation will make the open source movement seem to be a joke or worse to 'users' and, critically, to decision makers. Our internal differences are important of course, and these are things we need to discuss in a rational manner. There are, for instance good reasons why, in the present environment in viet Nam, the profiting from open source makes sense. Some of us may not like that given our own background, but we need to appreciate the dynamics! we need to understand clearly what is happening. And not fall into useless argument that hurts everyone. I am not sure what else I can do to help. I will try to see what my leaders say. But at a general level, we have much more to gain by 1) collaborating through our strengths and 2) carefully analysing the issues make our OS community complex. More later I hope, Vern -- Vern Weitzel (Mr.), Webmanager or United Nations Development Programme address: 25-29 Phan Boi Chau; Ha Noi, Viet Nam postal address: UNDP Viet Nam One UN Plaza New York, NY 10017 USA UNDP Viet Nam Palais des Nations 1211 Geneva Switzerland UNDP Viet Nam GPO Box 618 Bangkok, 10501 Thailand tel: +84-4 942-1495 (ext 135) fax: +84-4 942-2267 http://www.undp.org.vn and http://www.un.org.vn home address: Apartment 504-505, Block A4 Giang Vo [opposite UN Int. School] tel: +84-4 846-1751 ------------------------------------------------- UNDP is the UN's global development network