From ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn Fri Jul 9 06:26:47 2004 From: ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn (Nam) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] new mailing list has been setup for the Software Freedom Day Message-ID: <002001c465a7$a230fdc0$0400000a@nam> Hello everybody, The mailing list need some space to grow, so temporary, I use my group's mailing list for the preparation of the event. For convenience, you can just send your discussion to hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org and your email will reach everyone interested in Software Freedom Day that I know. I want us to vote about "should we allow outlaw hackers groups to attend our event under their brand?". I am not sure whether they are still fooling around stealing passwords, credit card numbers, doing all the fraudulent activities to mess the internet, but I'm sure they did it very recently, I witnessed it! And their groups are not registered to the government, this fact will make the media feel bad about our great event. Personally, I vote not to allow them to join on 28/8. Nguyen Dinh Nam Tel: (04) 8361390 Office: (04) 7685161 Mobile: 0953319133 Email: ndviet4389@hn.vnn.vn Alt. Email: perlistnam@newsvn.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hanoi-pm/attachments/20040709/73470fff/attachment.htm From chairuou at yahoo.com Fri Jul 9 06:32:56 2004 From: chairuou at yahoo.com (=?iso-8859-1?q?Chai=20Ruou?=) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] TO MR. CAO VAN KHANH Message-ID: <20040709113256.58810.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com> CAN YOU STOP USING UNICODE & VIETNAMESE CAN YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HVA ? _______________________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com.hk address at http://mail.english.yahoo.com.hk From vu.do.quynh at auf.org Fri Jul 9 08:32:01 2004 From: vu.do.quynh at auf.org (Vu Do Quynh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] new mailing list has been setup for the Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <002001c465a7$a230fdc0$0400000a@nam> References: <002001c465a7$a230fdc0$0400000a@nam> Message-ID: <1089379921.40ee9e51f1bba@secure.vn.auf.org> Selon Nam : > I want us to vote about "should we allow outlaw hackers groups to attend our > event under their brand?". I am not sure whether they are still fooling > around stealing passwords, credit card numbers, doing all the fraudulent > activities to mess the internet, but I'm sure they did it very recently, I > witnessed it! And their groups are not registered to the government, this > fact will make the media feel bad about our great event. > Personally, I vote not to allow them to join on 28/8. > > Nguyen Dinh Nam Personally, I also agree not to invite HVA as an entity to participate in the SFD event. -- Vu Do Quynh Agence universitaire de la Francophonie - Bureau Asie Pacifique From bien-nt at hipt.com.vn Fri Jul 9 08:58:56 2004 From: bien-nt at hipt.com.vn (Nguyen Thanh Bien) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] TO MR. CAO VAN KHANH In-Reply-To: <20040709113256.58810.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040709113256.58810.qmail@web53502.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40EEA4A0.7080105@hipt.com.vn> Chai Ruou wrote: >CAN YOU STOP USING UNICODE & VIETNAMESE >CAN YOU SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT HVA ? > > AND CAN YOU STOP FORCING ME TO JOIN THIS LIST AGAIN ?? BYE BYE ! ps: i've been played with perl 8 years ago, but i don't like to join this perl users group !! From ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn Fri Jul 9 16:16:41 2004 From: ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn (Nam) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Demonstration on 28/8 - logistic of laptops && FREE or a very low price? Message-ID: <003401c465fa$0c64d2a0$0400000a@nam> Mr Quynh mention following ideas which I highly agree with: - Demonstration of Linux desktops - Demonstration of LiveCD Distributions (Knoppix, VnLinux, Mandows, etc.) - Distribution of liveCDs - Workshops for burning CDs : people burn themselves their own CDs (live CDs, distros, etc.) with free blank CDs - Gaming under Linux I also think that he and his org are specialized in this kind of task so we should rely on them about the demonstrations. But these demos will need a lot of computers, let's discuss more carefully about the logistic of laptops (or desktops if laptops are not possible) I also want us to give your opinions about "should we give many things for free or sell them at symbolistic prices - such as 1000 VND?" I want to share your points of view because I'm afraid that many people will take all the free stuff eventhough they will never take a look after bringing them home. I want us to use our resource careful since our funding is low. Nguyen Dinh Nam Tel: (04) 8361390 Office: (04) 7685161 Mobile: 0953319133 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hanoi-pm/attachments/20040710/6120ad6b/attachment.htm From vu.do.quynh at auf.org Fri Jul 9 19:45:02 2004 From: vu.do.quynh at auf.org (Vu Do Quynh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Demonstration on 28/8 - logistic of laptops && FREE or a very low price? References: <003401c465fa$0c64d2a0$0400000a@nam> Message-ID: <40EF3C0E.9010704@auf.org> Nam wrote: > I also think that he and his org are specialized in this kind of task so > we should rely on them about the demonstrations. But these demos will > need a lot of computers, let's discuss more carefully about the logistic > of laptops (or desktops if laptops are not possible) > I think our center could commit to bring in, for that day, about 4-5 computers with 1-2 8-port switches + 1 IDE CD Writer, 1 SCSI CD Writer (4x) and 1 USB CD Writer, 1 Notebook, 1 video projector and one standing screen. > > > I also want us to give your opinions about "should we give many things > for free or sell them at symbolistic prices - such as 1000 VND?" > Maybe a mix of both : free stuff (good to attract people when you advertise) and symbolic prices for the more interested people. Free stuf could be something like : free CDs to the first 100 persons, or free stuff as prizes for small competitions like Questions and answers. You gather people, ask questions, select at random one person to answer and then if the answer is correct give a prize. etc. -- Vu Do Quynh Agence universitaire de la Francophonie, Bureau Asie Pacifique Responsable, Centre d'Acc?s ? l'Information scientifique et technique (CAI) de Hanoi 08 rue Tran Hung Dao, Hanoi, Vietnam T?l: +84-4-9331070 ; T?l?copie: +84-4-8247383 Sites de toile: http://www.vn.refer.org/ From son-nt at hipt.com.vn Fri Jul 9 20:02:26 2004 From: son-nt at hipt.com.vn (son-nt@hipt.com.vn) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] new mailing list has been setup for the Software Freedom Day In-Reply-To: <002001c465a7$a230fdc0$0400000a@nam> Message-ID: Dear all, I am a fan of Linux and I am interested in activities like Software freedom day. I also have no problem with Perl Monger. But please understand that I can only take it as a hobby, not a committal job. Therefore, going through all of the mails you send me every day is impossible for me. So for the group, please: - Take me out of your mailing list. - If you want to give people like me a chance, do the discussion on a forum. I promise will visit it from time to time. Thank you for your attention and happy opensourcing! Nguyen Tu Son. On Fri, 9 Jul 2004 18:26:47 +0700 "Nam" wrote: >Hello everybody, >The mailing list need some space to grow, so temporary, I >use my group's mailing list for the preparation of the >event. > >For convenience, you can just send your discussion to >hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org and your email will reach everyone >interested in Software Freedom Day that I know. > >I want us to vote about "should we allow outlaw hackers >groups to attend our event under their brand?". I am not >sure whether they are still fooling around stealing >passwords, credit card numbers, doing all the fraudulent >activities to mess the internet, but I'm sure they did it >very recently, I witnessed it! And their groups are not >registered to the government, this fact will make the >media feel bad about our great event. >Personally, I vote not to allow them to join on 28/8. > >Nguyen Dinh Nam >Tel: (04) 8361390 >Office: (04) 7685161 >Mobile: 0953319133 >Email: ndviet4389@hn.vnn.vn >Alt. Email: perlistnam@newsvn.com > Nguyen Tu Son Software Solution Division Director High Performance Technology (HiPT) JSC Tel.: 84 - 4 - 2660522 Fax: 84 - 4 - 2660521 Mobile: 84 - 91 - 2475285 From caovankhanhvn at yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 05:51:40 2004 From: caovankhanhvn at yahoo.com (Cao Vân Khánh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua? ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <003401c465fa$0c64d2a0$0400000a@nam> Message-ID: <20040710105140.85185.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Dau` tien , toi muon' hoi? anh Nam rang` anh lay' tu cach' gi` viet' bai` len hvaonline ve` y' kien' cua? mot. so' nguoi` trong nhung thanh vien tham gia cuoc. hop. 7/7 voi' loi` le~ mang tinh' chat' het' suc' ca' nhan nhu vay ? Toi khong hieu? mot. con nguoi` nhu anh lai. co' the? xuat' ngon^ ham` ho` nhu vay. . Viec. lam` cua? anh da~ di nguoc. lai. loi. ich' cua? cong. dong` , day' len phong trao` tay? chay cua mot. bo. phan. rat' lon' nhung nguoi` lam` vie.c trong gioi' IT cua Viet Nam tren the' gioi' Den' voi' cac' ban. , toi chi? co' mot. tam' long` , mot. tam' long` mong moi? cho cong. dong` ma~ nguon` mo? o Viet Nam phat' trien? voi' dung' nghia~ " cong. dong` " thuc. su. va` toi thay' anh khong co' du? tu cach' tham gia vao ban to? chuc' , noi ma` chi? co' nhung~ con nguoi` thuc. su. " chi' cong vo tu" moi' co' the? dam? nhan. duoc. Mot. nguoi muon' lam` viec. lon' thi` dau` tien phai? co' cai' " ta^m , cai' duc' lon' truoc' khi co' cai` tri' , cai` tai` lon' " . Gui? tat' ca? cac' thanh` vien ban to? chuc' ngay 28/8 , moi` cac' ban. doc. bai` viet' va cac' y' kien' phai? hoi` cua? rat' nhieu` nguoi` tai. link duoi' day : http://www.hvaonline.net/forum/showtopic_31925_st_0.html Cac' ban co' the? xem bai` viet' cua? toi tai. nick caovankhanhvn . Qua day toi cung xin gui? loi` chao` than ai' den' cac' ban, mong muon' mot. ngay` nao` do' chung' ta co' the? thuc. su. dung' ben nhau vi` mot. cong. dong` opensource Viet Nam Cao Van Khanh --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hanoi-pm/attachments/20040710/1d2ec53f/attachment.htm From dinhpc at javavietnam.org Sat Jul 10 06:35:14 2004 From: dinhpc at javavietnam.org (DINH, Pham Cong) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua? ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <20040710105140.85185.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040710105140.85185.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40EFD472.9080601@javavietnam.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hanoi-pm/attachments/20040710/5c8ec149/attachment.htm From caovankhanhvn at yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 06:52:51 2004 From: caovankhanhvn at yahoo.com (Cao Vân Khánh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua? ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <40EFD472.9080601@javavietnam.org> Message-ID: <20040710115251.49198.qmail@web41006.mail.yahoo.com> Em rat' tan' thanh` y kien' cua anh Cong , dieu` em bat' binh` o day la` anh Nam da~ lay' tu cach' cua? ban to? chuc' de? len tieng' voi' muc. dich' ca' nhan cua? minh` . Mong moi. nguoi co' the? doc. 2 bai` viet' cua? anh y' trong dien~ dan` thi ro. Khong the? de? hinh` anh? cua? chung' ta lai. do mot. con nguoi` dai. dien. duoc. . Em nghi~ truoc' khi phat' ngon bat' cu' dieu` gi` cung~ can` tham khao? y' kien' cua? moi. nguoi` , neu' ta phat' ngon bua` bai~ thi` to? chuc' se~ bi. danh' gia' thap' , dan~ den' chi? duoc. cai' tieng' ma` khong co' mieng' . Chung' ta co' the? thanh` cong ve` bao' chi' , ve` phuong tien. dai. chung' nhung trong gioi' IT co' le~ ta se~ bi. coi thuong` boi? nhung~ bai` viet' lang ma. ke? khac' cua? anh Nam tren dien~ dan` HVA Mail truoc' cua em da tuyen bo' khong tham du. ve to? chuc' nua~ , tuy nhien khi nhan. duoc. mail cua? anh Cong , em thay' trach' nhiem. cua? minh` la` voi' cong. dong` chu' khong phai? vi` mot. to? chuc' rieng le? nao` . Tinh' em la` vay, rat' thang? tinh' nen co' dieu` gi` dong. cham. den' ai em xin loi~ va` mong cung nhan. duoc phan? hoi` tu` moi. nguoi`. Vi` vay. co' doi dong` tam su. , mong moi. nguoi` bo? qua . Cao Van Khanh --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hanoi-pm/attachments/20040710/ea39b9aa/attachment.htm From ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn Sat Jul 10 07:51:06 2004 From: ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn (Nam) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:34 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua?ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <40EFD472.9080601@javavietnam.org> Message-ID: <001601c4667c$95797780$0400000a@nam> Hi?n BKIS - ?HBK HN ?ang c? v?i c?u h?i ch?a tr? l?i ???c: 1. Software Freedom Day t? ch?c trong m?y ng?y? 2. C?c t? ch?c tham gia c? ph?i ??ng g?p g? v? t?i ch?nh kh?ng? Mong m?i ng??i c?ng th?o lu?n C?n v? HVA t?i ngh? ch?ng ta ?? c? ?? ? ki?n ?? quy?t ??nh kh?ng m?i. C?n c?c c? nh?n c? tham gia HVA ??ng k? tham d? SFD d??i danh ngh?a c? nh?n, ho?c danh ngh?a c?a t? ch?c kh?c th? ch?ng ?nh h??ng g? c?. Nam -----Original Message----- From: hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org] On Behalf Of DINH, Pham Cong Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:35 PM Cc: hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua?ngay` 28/8 Ch?o m?i ng??i. Th?y m?i ng??i tranh lu?n m?nh qu? v? chuy?n c? m?i HVA tham gia hay kh?ng n?n t?i c?ng xin c? m?t s? ? ki?n: + HVA kh?ng ph?i l? m?t t? ch?c ???c ch?nh ph? th?a nh?n n?n th?c ra kh?ng n?n qu? coi tr?ng h? v?i t? c?ch l? m?t t? ch?c nh? v?y. N?n coi HVA l? c?c c? nh?n th? h?n. N?u nh? HVA ho?t ??ng nh? m?t t? ch?c th?c s?, c? t? c?ch ph?p nh?n, c? tr? s?, c? ng??i ??i di?n tr??c ph?p lu?t, c? t? ch?c nh?n s?, c? b? c?o th?nh l?p >>>> Ch?ng ta h?an to?n ch?p nh?n v? h?nh vi c?a h? ???c lu?t ph?p th?a nh?n th? ch?ng c? g? l? kh?ng trong s?ch c?. B?o ch? kh?ng th? b?nh ph?m lung tung ???c. Nh?ng HVA ch? l? m?t di?n ??n, ho?t ??ng xoay quanh ? ch? c?c c? nh?n ??ng ??u. H? kh?ng ki?m so?t ???c c?c th?nh vi?n tham gia v?o t? ch?c c?a m?nh n?n vi?c m?i HVA tham gia v?i t? c?ch l? m?t t? ch?c s? hi?n nhi?n ch?p nh?n t?t c? c?c h?nh vi c?a c?c c? nh?n t? x?ng m?nh l? hacker k? c? ph? ho?i c?ng nh? h?nh ??ng x?y d?ng. V?y n?n t?i ngh? l? ban t? ch?c c? th? kh?o l?o n?i r?ng s? m?i c?c c? nh?n l? th?nh vi?n HVA quan t?m ??n m? ngu?n m? ?? tr?nh ??ng h?ng ph?i c?i t?i c?a nh?ng ng??i ??ng ??u HVA. Kh?ng n?n tr?c ti?p m?i HVA v? c?i t? ng? ??i di?n n?y s? kh?ng c? ???c thi?n c?m v?i b?o ch? ??u. C?c c? nh?n th? ch?ng ai d?m tr?ch v? m?i ng??i t? ch?u l?y h?nh vi c?a m?nh. V? l?i khi c?c c? nh?n tham gia th? HVA s? kh?ng ???c nh?c t?i v? ??n gi?n ai c? quy?n x?ng m?nh l? ??i di?n c?a HVA. N?u c? th? c?ng kh?ng danh ch?nh ng?n thu?n. Ban t? ch?c ho?n to?n mi?n tr?ch nhi?m. + T?m l?i: n?n m?i nh?ng tr?nh t? c?ch HVA ?i. N?u nh?ng ng??i ??ng ??u HVA t?y tray ?i?u n?y th? t? h? ch?ng minh c?i t?i c?a h? v?i ch?nh th?nh vi?n c?a h? th?i. T?i th? tin l? h? s? kh?ng l?m v?y ??nh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/hanoi-pm/attachments/20040710/09eba3f2/attachment.htm From phanthaitrung at yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 08:16:06 2004 From: phanthaitrung at yahoo.com (Phan Thái Trung) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua?ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <001601c4667c$95797780$0400000a@nam> Message-ID: <20040710131606.5422.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> 1. Tuy` va`o dda^`u tu+ ve^` kinh phi', quy mo^ ma` to^? chu+'c trong nhie^`u nga`y hay 1 nga`y nhu+ng theo to^i chi? to^? chu+'c 1 nga`y la` ddu?. 2. Cu~ng tuy` va`o su+. dda^`u tu+ ve^` ta`i chi'nh cu?a ca'c to^? chu+'c kha'c ma` chu'ng ta se~ ca^n ddo^'i kinh phi'. Theo to^i co' ra^'t nhie^`u to^? chu+'c sa(~n sa`ng bo? kinh phi' cho SFD ne^'u nhu+ SFD thu+.c su+. hie^.u qua?. Kinh phi' va`i chu.c trie^.u dde^? thue^ ddi.a ddie^?m va` in mo^.t va`i a^'n pha^?m, va^.n chuey?en ma'y mo'c, thi` kho^ng nhie^`u ddo^'i vo+'i nhu+~ng to^? chu+'c CNTT lo+'n ma.nh ddang ra^'t muo^'n ta`i tro+. 3. SFD mo+? cu+?a cho ta^'t ca? mo.i ngu+o+`i tham gia, ai dde^'n cu~ng ddu+o+.c. Ve^` ddo^`ng to^? chu+'c thi` ne^n khuye^'n khi'ch ta^'t ca? ca'c nho'm nhu+ diendantinhoc.com/net, javavietnam.org, manguon.com... ke^? ca? dda.i die^.n HVA cu~ng kho^ng ngoa.i le^. ne^'u ho. co' nhu+~ng ba`i tham lua^.n ve^` ba?o ma^.t phu` ho+.p vo+'i FOSS. DDo' la` ve^` co^.ng ddo^`ng CNTT. Co`n ve^` nhu+~ng to^? chu+'c lie^n quan dde^'n Nha` nu+o+'c thi` to^i xin tri`nh ba`y cu. the^? ho+n va`o mo^.t thu+ sau\. Mong mo.i ngu+o+`i go~ thu+ da.ng VIQR, kho^ng da^'u hoa(.c tie^'ng Anh vi` co' ra^'t nhie^`u ngu+o+`i chi? su+? du.ng SSH shell dde^? ddo.c email. DDo' cu~ng la` mo^.t quy ta('c tre^n ca'c mailing list lie^n quan dde^'n Linux. --- Nam wrote: > Hiện BKIS - ÄHBK HN Ä‘ang có vài câu > há»i chÆ°a trả lá»i được: > 1. Software Freedom Day tổ chức trong mấy > ngày? > 2. Các tổ chức tham gia có phải đóng > góp gì vá» tài chính không? > Mong má»i ngÆ°á»i cùng thảo luận > > Còn vá» HVA tôi nghÄ© chúng ta đã có > đủ ý kiến để quyết định không > má»i. Còn các cá nhân có tham gia HVA > đăng kí tham dá»± SFD dÆ°á»›i danh nghÄ©a > cá nhân, hoặc danh nghÄ©a của tổ chức > khác thì chẳng ảnh hưởng gì cả. > > Nam > > -----Original Message----- > From: hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org > [mailto:hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org] On Behalf > Of DINH, Pham Cong > Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 6:35 PM > Cc: hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org > Subject: Re: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' > thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua?ngay` 28/8 > > > Chào má»i ngÆ°á»i. > > Thấy má»i ngÆ°á»i tranh luận mạnh quá > vá» chuyện có má»i HVA tham gia hay không > nên tôi cÅ©ng xin có má»™t số ý kiến: > > + HVA không phải là má»™t tổ chức > được chính phủ thừa nhận nên thá»±c > ra không nên quá coi trá»ng há» vá»›i tÆ° > cách là má»™t tổ chức nhÆ° vậy. Nên > coi HVA là các cá nhân thì hÆ¡n. Nếu > nhÆ° HVA hoạt Ä‘á»™ng nhÆ° má»™t tổ chức > thá»±c sá»±, có tÆ° cách pháp nhân, có > trụ sở, có ngÆ°á»i đại diện trÆ°á»›c > pháp luật, có tổ chức nhân sá»±, có > bố cáo thành lập >>>> Chúng ta hòan > toàn chấp nhận vì hành vi của há» > được luật pháp thừa nhận thì > chẳng có gì là không trong sạch cả. > Báo chí không thể bình phẩm lung tung > được. > > NhÆ°ng HVA chỉ là má»™t diá»…n đàn, hoạt > Ä‘á»™ng xoay quanh ý chí các cá nhân > đứng đầu. Há» không kiểm soát > được các thành viên tham gia vào tổ > chức của mình nên việc má»i HVA tham > gia vá»›i tÆ° cách là má»™t tổ chức sẽ > hiển nhiên chấp nhận tất cả các > hành vi của các cá nhân tá»± xÆ°ng mình > là hacker kể cả phá hoại cÅ©ng nhÆ° > hành Ä‘á»™ng xây dá»±ng. Vậy nên tôi > nghÄ© là ban tổ chức có thể khéo léo > nói rằng sẽ má»i các cá nhân là > thành viên HVA quan tâm đến mã nguồn > mở để tránh đụng hàng phải cái > tôi của những ngÆ°á»i đứng đầu HVA. > Không nên trá»±c tiếp má»i HVA vì cái > từ ngữ đại diện này sẽ không có > được thiện cảm vá»›i báo chí đâu. > Các cá nhân thì chẳng ai dám trách vì > má»i ngÆ°á»i tá»± chịu lấy hành vi của > mình. Vả lại khi các cá nhân tham gia > thì HVA sẽ không được nhắc tá»›i vì > Ä‘Æ¡n giản ai có quyá»n xÆ°ng mình là > đại diện của HVA. Nếu có thì cÅ©ng > không danh chính ngôn thuận. Ban tổ > chức hoàn toàn miá»…n trách nhiệm. > > + Tóm lại: nên má»i nhÆ°ng tránh tÆ° > cách HVA Ä‘i. Nếu những ngÆ°á»i đứng > đầu HVA tẩy tray Ä‘iá»u này thì tá»± > há» chứng minh cái tôi của há» vá»›i > chính thành viên của há» thôi. Tôi thì > tin là há» sẽ không làm vậy > > Äịnh > > > _______________________________________________ > Hanoi-pm mailing list > Hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hanoi-pm > From phanthaitrung at yahoo.com Sat Jul 10 09:12:00 2004 From: phanthaitrung at yahoo.com (Phan Thái Trung) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Bai viet cua toi tren HVA ve ngay 28/8 In-Reply-To: <40EFD472.9080601@javavietnam.org> Message-ID: <20040710141200.37830.qmail@web52807.mail.yahoo.com> Lu'c dda^`u thi` to^i ko ddi.nh tham gia ba`n lua^.n ve^` HVA vi` to^i tha^'y ko ca^`n ba`n lua^.n xem ne^n mo+`i ai hay kho^ng ne^n mo+`i ai\. Nhu+ng vu+`a ro^`i dde^? ma^'t uy ti'n cu?a nho'm SFD ddo^'i vo+'i nhu+~ng ngu+o+`i la`m CNTT nhu+ be^n HVA thi` cu~ng kho^ng ne^n. Vi` va^.y to^i vie^'t mo^.t ba`i vo+'i tu+ ca'ch ca' nha^n tre^n HVA, hy vo.ng se~ gia?i toa? nhu+~ng ddieu` kho' chi.u va` cu~ng la` mo^.t ba`i vie^'t co^? ddo^.ng cho phong tra`o nguo^`n mo+?: http://www.hvaonline.net/forum/act_ST_f_144_t_32083.html Mong ca'c anh Cao Van Khanh, VTIC... tie^'p tu.c tham gia vui ve?. --- "DINH, Pham Cong" wrote: --------------------------------- Chào má»i ngÆ°á»i. Thấy má»i ngÆ°á»i tranh luận mạnh quá vá» chuyện có má»i HVA tham gia haykhông nên tôi cÅ©ng xin có má»™t số ý kiến: + HVA không phải là má»™t tổ chức được chính phủ thừa nhận nên thá»±c rakhông nên quá coi trá»ng há» vá»›i tÆ° cách là má»™t tổ chức nhÆ° vậy. Nên coiHVA là các cá nhân thì hÆ¡n. Nếu nhÆ° HVA hoạt Ä‘á»™ng nhÆ° má»™t tổ chức thá»±csá»±, có tÆ° cách pháp nhân, có trụ sở, có ngÆ°á»i đại diện trÆ°á»›c pháp luật,có tổ chức nhân sá»±, có bố cáo thành lập >>>> Chúng ta hòantoàn chấp nhận vì hành vi của hỠđược luật pháp thừa nhận thì chẳng cógì là không trong sạch cả. Báo chí không thể bình phẩm lung tung được. NhÆ°ng HVA chỉ là má»™t diá»…n đàn, hoạt Ä‘á»™ng xoay quanh ý chí các cá nhânđứng đầu. Há» không kiểm soát được các thành viên tham gia vào tổ chứccủa mình nên việc má»i HVA tham gia vá»›i tÆ° cách là má»™t tổ chức sẽ hiểnnhiên chấp nhận tất cả các hành vi của các cá nhân tá»± xÆ°ng mình làhacker kể cả phá hoại cÅ©ng nhÆ° hành Ä‘á»™ng xây dá»±ng. Vậy nên tôi nghÄ© làban tổ chức có thể khéo léo nói rằng sẽ má»i các cá nhân là thành viênHVA quan tâm đến mã nguồn mở để tránh đụng hàng phải cái tôi của nhữngngÆ°á»i đứng đầu HVA. Không nên trá»±c tiếp má»i HVA vì cái từ ngữ đại diệnnày sẽ không có được thiện cảm vá»›i báo chí đâu. Các cá nhân thì chẳngai dám trách vì má»i ngÆ°á»i tá»± chịu lấy hành vi của mình. Vả lại khi cáccá nhân tham gia thì HVA sẽ không được nhắc tá»›i vì Ä‘Æ¡n giản ai có quyá»nxÆ°ng mình là đại diện của HVA. Nếu có thì cÅ©ng không danh chính ngônthuận. Ban tổ chức hoàn toàn miá»…n trách nhiệm. + Tóm lại: nên má»i nhÆ°ng tránh tÆ° cách HVA Ä‘i. Nếu những ngÆ°á»i đứng đầuHVA tẩy tray Ä‘iá»u này thì tá»± há» chứng minh cái tôi của há» vá»›i chínhthành viên của há» thôi. Tôi thì tin là há» sẽ không làm vậy Äịnh Cao "V�������������������������������������" wrote: Dau` tien , toi muon' hoi? anh Nam rang` anh lay' tu cach' gi`viet' bai` len hvaonline ve` y' kien' cua? mot. so' nguoi` trong nhungthanh vien tham gia cuoc. hop. 7/7 voi' loi` le~ mang tinh' chat' het'suc' ca' nhan nhu vay ? Toi khong hieu? mot. con nguoi` nhu anh lai.co' the? xuat' ngon^ ham` ho` nhu vay. . Viec. lam` cua? anh da~ dinguoc. lai. loi. ich' cua? cong. dong` , day' len phong trao` tay? chaycua mot. bo. phan. rat' lon' nhung nguoi` lam` vie.c trong gioi' IT cuaViet Nam tren the' gioi' Den' voi' cac' ban. , toi chi? co' mot. tam' long` , mot. tam'long` mong moi? cho cong. dong` ma~ nguon` mo? o Viet Nam phat' trien?voi' dung' nghia~ " cong. dong` " thuc. su. va` toi thay' anh khong co'du? tu cach' tham gia vao ban to? chuc' , noi ma` chi? co' nhung~ connguoi` thuc. su. " chi' cong vo tu" moi' co' the? dam? nhan. duoc. Mot.nguoi muon' lam` viec. lon' thi` dau` tien phai? co' cai' " ta^m , cai'duc' lon' truoc' khi co' cai` tri' , cai` tai` lon' " . Gui? tat' ca? cac' thanh` vien ban to? chuc' ngay 28/8 , moi`cac' ban. doc. bai` viet' va cac' y' kien' phai? hoi` cua? rat' nhieu`nguoi` tai. link duoi' day : http://www.hvaonline.net/forum/showtopic_31925_st_0.html Cac' ban co' the? xem bai` viet' cua? toi tai. nickcaovankhanhvn . Qua day toi cung xin gui? loi` chao` than ai' den' cac'ban, mong muon' mot. ngay` nao` do' chung' ta co' the? thuc. su. dung'ben nhau vi` mot. cong. dong` opensource Viet Nam Cao Van Khanh From ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn Sat Jul 10 15:40:27 2004 From: ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn (Nam) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'ccua?ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <20040710131606.5422.qmail@web52810.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c466be$23f56280$0400000a@nam> Trung started HVA so we can understand why he is defending it. Now he no longer has any interest in "collecting" VDC internet accounts so I and many others respected his present on 7/7. But many people already agreed that HVA should not participate in the SFD as an entity so we'd better discussing about this boring issue. I agree that celebrating the event for one day is enough. Should be from 8AM to 8PM, is it ok, everyone? We have discussed a lot about many things else, but finally, none can find (nor discuss about) the organization to host the event? I don't think we have much time left, we have to settle this within a week. If we still can't find any after a week, I suggest that we should ask IFI (Mr. Quynh is from IFI) to host it. Regards, Nam -----Original Message----- From: hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org] On Behalf Of Phan Thai Trung Sent: Saturday, July 10, 2004 8:16 PM To: hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: RE: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'ccua?ngay` 28/8 1. Tuy` va`o dda^`u tu+ ve^` kinh phi', quy mo^ ma` to^? chu+'c trong nhie^`u nga`y hay 1 nga`y nhu+ng theo to^i chi? to^? chu+'c 1 nga`y la` ddu?. 2. Cu~ng tuy` va`o su+. dda^`u tu+ ve^` ta`i chi'nh cu?a ca'c to^? chu+'c kha'c ma` chu'ng ta se~ ca^n ddo^'i kinh phi'. Theo to^i co' ra^'t nhie^`u to^? chu+'c sa(~n sa`ng bo? kinh phi' cho SFD ne^'u nhu+ SFD thu+.c su+. hie^.u qua?. Kinh phi' va`i chu.c trie^.u dde^? thue^ ddi.a ddie^?m va` in mo^.t va`i a^'n pha^?m, va^.n chuey?en ma'y mo'c, thi` kho^ng nhie^`u ddo^'i vo+'i nhu+~ng to^? chu+'c CNTT lo+'n ma.nh ddang ra^'t muo^'n ta`i tro+. 3. SFD mo+? cu+?a cho ta^'t ca? mo.i ngu+o+`i tham gia, ai dde^'n cu~ng ddu+o+.c. Ve^` ddo^`ng to^? chu+'c thi` ne^n khuye^'n khi'ch ta^'t ca? ca'c nho'm nhu+ diendantinhoc.com/net, javavietnam.org, manguon.com... ke^? ca? dda.i die^.n HVA cu~ng kho^ng ngoa.i le^. ne^'u ho. co' nhu+~ng ba`i tham lua^.n ve^` ba?o ma^.t phu` ho+.p vo+'i FOSS. DDo' la` ve^` co^.ng ddo^`ng CNTT. Co`n ve^` nhu+~ng to^? chu+'c lie^n quan dde^'n Nha` nu+o+'c thi` to^i xin tri`nh ba`y cu. the^? ho+n va`o mo^.t thu+ sau\. Mong mo.i ngu+o+`i go~ thu+ da.ng VIQR, kho^ng da^'u hoa(.c tie^'ng Anh vi` co' ra^'t nhie^`u ngu+o+`i chi? su+? du.ng SSH shell dde^? ddo.c email. DDo' cu~ng la` mo^.t quy ta('c tre^n ca'c mailing list lie^n quan dde^'n Linux. From vu.do.quynh at auf.org Sat Jul 10 20:56:50 2004 From: vu.do.quynh at auf.org (Vu Do Quynh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'ccua?ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <000001c466be$23f56280$0400000a@nam> References: <000001c466be$23f56280$0400000a@nam> Message-ID: <1089511010.40f09e62e7f7a@secure.vn.auf.org> Selon Nam : > I agree that celebrating the event for one day is enough. Should be from 8AM > to 8PM, is it ok, everyone? > I think it's OK > We have discussed a lot about many things else, but finally, none can find > (nor discuss about) the organization to host the event? I don't think we > have much time left, we have to settle this within a week. If we still can't > find any after a week, I suggest that we should ask IFI (Mr. Quynh is from > IFI) to host it. Please note that : 1) M. Nguyen Hong Quang was with IFI 2) M. Vu Do Quynh is responsible for the Information access Center (CAI) of the AUF (To chuc hop tac dai hoc Cong dong Phap Ngu) Although both IFI and CAI are from AUF, they have distinct statures and field of actions. What AUF wants to bring in is the fact that AUF is financing (a French-speaking) project (the C3LD network) which final objective is to empower the local partners, i.e. us Vietnamese, especially from universities, with regards to the use of free software. Thus the SFD event is a perfect match to this ambition. But AUF is not going to be leader because AUF is an international organization which prospects is not to replace what should be done by local partners. In this case, it will be rather, that's my hope, that the project C3LD for Vietnam will step in with the Polytechnic university as it is the leader in the C3LD-Vietnam project. It would be better if the SFD event is organized within the Bach Khoa Campus, or at an other location ?, than in IFI. Cheers -- Vu Do Quynh Agence universitaire de la Francophonie - Bureau Asie Pacifique From vu.do.quynh at auf.org Sat Jul 10 23:42:20 2004 From: vu.do.quynh at auf.org (Vu Do Quynh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'c cua? ngay` 28/8 References: <20040710105140.85185.qmail@web41004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <40F0C52C.9000709@auf.org> Cao V?n Kh?nh wrote: > Gui? tat' ca? cac' thanh` vien ban to? chuc' ngay 28/8 , moi` cac' ban. > doc. bai` viet' va cac' y' kien' phai? hoi` cua? rat' nhieu` nguoi` tai. > link duoi' day : > > http://www.hvaonline.net/forum/showtopic_31925_st_0.html Cha`o mo.i ngu+o+`i, To^i vu+`a ddo.c ca'c ba`i thuo^.c topic tre^n dda^y, trong do co ba`i cu?a ta'c gia mang nickname "radml" gu+?i nga`y 10/07 To^i nghi~ ra(`ng nhu+~ng no^.i dung ddu+o+.c ba`n trong nho'm cu?a chu'ng ta (07/07) kho^ng ne^n su+? du.ng la.i dde^? du+a le^n ca'c forum public khac, bo+?i vi` trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p cu?a Forum HVA thi` ra^'t de^~ bi. ca'c tha`nh vie^n HVA hie^?u nha^`m, khi ddo.c ca'c lo+`i tri'ch cu?a o^ng na`y, o^ng no., ngoa`i ca'c context cu?a no'. Ca'c ba.n ne^n tu+. ho?i va` la`m ro~ nga`y 28/8 na`y ta la`m cho ai va` vi` ai la` chi'nh ? Co`n ne^'u mo.i ngu+o+`i thi'ch theo agenda cu?a rie^ng mi`nh thi` se~ kho^ng ddi dde^'n dda^u ca? bo+?i ai cu~ng muo^'ng ke'o ve^` theo y' cu?a mi`nh. Chu'c ma.nh khoe? -- Vu Do Quynh Agence universitaire de la Francophonie, Bureau Asie Pacifique Responsable, Centre d'Acc?s ? l'Information scientifique et technique (CAI) de Hanoi 08 rue Tran Hung Dao, Hanoi, Vietnam T?l: +84-4-9331070 ; T?l?copie: +84-4-8247383 Sites de toile: http://www.vn.refer.org/ From ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn Sun Jul 11 06:08:01 2004 From: ndviet4389 at hn.vnn.vn (Nam) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:30:35 2004 Subject: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'ccua? ngay` 28/8 In-Reply-To: <40F0C52C.9000709@auf.org> Message-ID: <000801c46737$59278180$0400000a@nam> Sorry everyone for being quite self-opinionated. The next time, I'll be more careful before quoting private emails from our mailing list to somewhere else. The other time, when I ask you all for opinions about HVA, it's because I was afraid that they could ruin *our* event. I do everything for our community, so I will prevent any entity from threating the success of the event. I and many people here agreed that the present of HVA will bring negative effect to the event, so I'm confident that my purpose is correct, just the manner is too rigid. About Phan Thai Trung, I known him since 1998, at that period, he owned a big forum dedicated to sharing stolen internet accounts (later being firewalled by the government), later, that website merged with another to form a bigger stolen account sharing forum, it was HVA (being banned too). Perhaps Cao Van Khanh has too little knowledge about the very early stage of the internet in Vietnam so he was surprise. That's why I called him "collector", but it's just a friendly kidding because I believe that he is now a good guy, and he will have an important role in the development of Hanoi Free Software community. Regards, Nam -----Original Message----- From: hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:hanoi-pm-bounces@mail.pm.org] On Behalf Of Vu Do Quynh Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 11:42 AM To: Cao V?n Kh?nh Cc: hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [hn.pm] Tran trong gui? den` cac' thanh vien ban to? chu'ccua? ngay` 28/8 Cao V?n Kh?nh wrote: Cha`o mo.i ngu+o+`i, To^i vu+`a ddo.c ca'c ba`i thuo^.c topic tre^n dda^y, trong do co ba`i cu?a ta'c gia mang nickname "radml" gu+?i nga`y 10/07 To^i nghi~ ra(`ng nhu+~ng no^.i dung ddu+o+.c ba`n trong nho'm cu?a chu'ng ta (07/07) kho^ng ne^n su+? du.ng la.i dde^? du+a le^n ca'c forum public khac, bo+?i vi` trong tru+o+`ng ho+.p cu?a Forum HVA thi` ra^'t de^~ bi. ca'c tha`nh vie^n HVA hie^?u nha^`m, khi ddo.c ca'c lo+`i tri'ch cu?a o^ng na`y, o^ng no., ngoa`i ca'c context cu?a no'. Ca'c ba.n ne^n tu+. ho?i va` la`m ro~ nga`y 28/8 na`y ta la`m cho ai va` vi` ai la` chi'nh ? Co`n ne^'u mo.i ngu+o+`i thi'ch theo agenda cu?a rie^ng mi`nh thi` se~ kho^ng ddi dde^'n dda^u ca? bo+?i ai cu~ng muo^'ng ke'o ve^` theo y' cu?a mi`nh. Chu'c ma.nh khoe? -- Vu Do Quynh Agence universitaire de la Francophonie, Bureau Asie Pacifique Responsable, Centre d'Acc?s ? l'Information scientifique et technique (CAI) de Hanoi 08 rue Tran Hung Dao, Hanoi, Vietnam T?l: +84-4-9331070 ; T?l?copie: +84-4-8247383 Sites de toile: http://www.vn.refer.org/ _______________________________________________ Hanoi-pm mailing list Hanoi-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/hanoi-pm