From grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org Sat Dec 15 07:32:33 2007 From: grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org (grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 10:32:33 -0500 Subject: [grand-rapids-pm-list] possible speaker Message-ID: <4763F391.2020001@brucereed.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/grand-rapids-pm-list/attachments/20071215/79dcf042/attachment.html From grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org Sat Dec 15 09:58:26 2007 From: grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org (grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org) Date: Sat, 15 Dec 2007 12:58:26 -0500 Subject: [grand-rapids-pm-list] possible speaker In-Reply-To: <4763F391.2020001@brucereed.com> References: <4763F391.2020001@brucereed.com> Message-ID: <61dd97c0712150958o6e282947gac600a19eb27251f@mail.gmail.com> I'd love to have Dominus up here. I think we could even work out funding. The problem is the marketing to make it not embarrassing ... --heusser On Dec 15, 2007 10:32 AM, wrote: > Here's a possible speaker. > > http://perl.plover.com/appearance.html > > I am not conveniently located to make arrangements for Detroit or Grand > Rapids, but if someone closer is interested in arranging an appearance, > please do. > > Bruce Reed > Midland, MI > > > _______________________________________________ > grand-rapids-pm-list mailing list > grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/grand-rapids-pm-list > -- Matthew Heusser, Blog: http://xndev.blogspot.com "...well over half of the time you spend working on a project (on the order of 70 percent) is spent thinking, and no tool, no matter how advanced, can think for you. Consequently, even if a tool did everything except the thinking for you -- if it wrote 100 percent of the code, wrote 100 percent of the documentation, did 100 percent of the testing, burned the CD-ROMs, put them in boxes, and mailed them to your customers -- the best you could hope for would be a 30 percent improvement in productivity. In order to do better than that, you have to change the way you think." -Frederick P. Brooks, [paraphrased] As quoted from http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-1999/jw-07-toolbox.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/grand-rapids-pm-list/attachments/20071215/9d88a532/attachment.html From grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org Sun Dec 16 05:24:53 2007 From: grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org (grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 08:24:53 -0500 Subject: [grand-rapids-pm-list] possible speaker In-Reply-To: <61dd97c0712150958o6e282947gac600a19eb27251f@mail.gmail.com> References: <4763F391.2020001@brucereed.com> <61dd97c0712150958o6e282947gac600a19eb27251f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <47652725.2080702@grpl.org> He is the author of what I consider one of the greatest posts ever: http://perl.plover.com/Questions.html I saw him at the Perl Conference way back in '99, and he puts on a good show. grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org said the following on 12/15/2007 12:58 PM: > I'd love to have Dominus up here. I think we could even work out funding. > > The problem is the marketing to make it not embarrassing ... > > --heusser > > On Dec 15, 2007 10:32 AM, < grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org > > wrote: > > Here's a possible speaker. > > http://perl.plover.com/appearance.html > > I am not conveniently located to make arrangements for Detroit or > Grand Rapids, but if someone closer is interested in arranging an > appearance, please do. > > Bruce Reed > Midland, MI > > > _______________________________________________ > grand-rapids-pm-list mailing list > grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/grand-rapids-pm-list > > > > > -- > Matthew Heusser, > Blog: http://xndev.blogspot.com > > "...well over half of the time you spend working on a project (on the > order of 70 percent) is spent thinking, and no tool, no matter how > advanced, can think for you. Consequently, even if a tool did > everything except the thinking for you -- if it wrote 100 percent of > the code, wrote 100 percent of the documentation, did 100 percent of > the testing, burned the CD-ROMs, put them in boxes, and mailed them to > your customers -- the best you could hope for would be a 30 percent > improvement in productivity. In order to do better than that, you have > to change the way you think." > -Frederick P. Brooks, [paraphrased] > As quoted from > http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/jw-07-1999/jw-07-toolbox.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > grand-rapids-pm-list mailing list > grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/grand-rapids-pm-list -- From grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org Sun Dec 16 07:24:28 2007 From: grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org (grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org) Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 09:24:28 -0600 Subject: [grand-rapids-pm-list] possible speaker In-Reply-To: <47652725.2080702@grpl.org> References: <4763F391.2020001@brucereed.com> <61dd97c0712150958o6e282947gac600a19eb27251f@mail.gmail.com> <47652725.2080702@grpl.org> Message-ID: <43B95651-86BA-4B12-924A-285CFBB0568F@petdance.com> > I saw him at the Perl Conference way back in '99, and he puts on a > good > show. MJD is pretty much the reason I started giving talks. If you can get him out to GR, I'll probably come out to see him. xoxo, And -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org Tue Dec 18 13:19:52 2007 From: grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org (grand-rapids-pm-list at pm.org) Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 13:19:52 -0800 Subject: [grand-rapids-pm-list] Happy 20th, Perl! Message-ID: <5ac7acb10712181319j61025244l3f94d0730d790dda@mail.gmail.com> Today is Perl's 20th birthday. Everybody celebrates in their own way, but I'm opting for the typical alcohol and food variety. http://perlbuzz.com/2007/12/it-was-twenty-years-ago-today.html Also, Perl 5.10 and Parrot 0.5.1 are out today. Parrot 0.5.1 has "NQP" which stands for "Not Quite Perl[6]" which is making some tremendous strides towards bootstrapping Perl6 (and many other languages) on Parrot. http://perlbuzz.com/2007/12/perl-510-and-parrot-051-are-out.html -Al