From albert.tobey at priority-health.com  Mon Jul 14 12:13:27 2003
From: albert.tobey at priority-health.com (Al Tobey)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: perl evil for the week
Message-ID: <1058202807.930.28.camel@linuxws1.internal.priority-health.com>

First off, my little example program shows some new behavior that
everybody should be aware of: perl 5.8.1+ will explicitly randomize the
order of your hash keys.  This is supposed to fix some possible DOS
attacks against perl CGI scripts that guess hash key orders.

Taking two arrays with the same number of elements and putting them into
a hash in one line.  Inspiration credit goes to Damian Conway during his
Advanced Object Oriented Perl class at OSCON.  He used map a number of
times, each time saying something like, "this is evil, so don't do it
unless you really know what you're doing - and please comment it."

#!/usr/bin/perl

@foo = qw( a b c d e f g );
@bar = qw( h i j k l m n );

# here is the evil
%combined = map { $bar[$_] => $foo[$_] } 0..$#foo;

foreach my $key ( keys(%combined) ) {
    print "$key => $combined{$key}\n";
}

-------------------------------
tobeya >perl /tmp/test.pl 
l => e
n => g
k => d
h => a
m => f
j => c
i => b

This was really useful because I was parsing the output of a unix tool
which had known field names, such as vmstat.  I hard-coded the field
names, then mapped the output of the command against the field name
array into a hash.  Very useful in my line of work.

-Al Tobey

---------------------------------------------------------------
P.S. Here is a more complex but possibly better example:

# untested, so probably has errors
@header = qw( proc_r proc_b proc_w swpd free buff cache
           swap_in swap_out blocks_in blocks_out interrupts
           context_switches user_cpu system_cpu idle_cpu );

# run vmstat 10 times with 5 seconds between each listing
open( VMSTAT, "/usr/bin/vmstat -n 5 10 |" )
	|| die "could not execute vmstat: $!";
<VMSTAT>; <VMSTAT>; # skip the headers

my @data = ();
while ( my $vmstat = <VMSTAT> ) {
   my @splitstat = split( /\s+/, $vmstat, $#header+1 );
   my %combined = map { $header[$_] => $splitstat[$_] } 0..$#header;
   push( @data, \%combined );
}
close( VMSTAT );

# do something with @data ...





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From HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu  Mon Jul 14 14:46:15 2003
From: HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu (Matthew R. Heusser)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: You can get anything you want ...
Message-ID: <1058211975.52d02f00HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>


I got to here Alison Randal talk about Perl 6,
all to the tune of "Alice's Resturant"

http://oscon.kwiki.org/index.cgi?AllisonsRestaurant

Dude.  Awesome.

Gr.pm should consider a kwiki.

regards,

Matt H.
-----Original Message-----
From: Al Tobey <albert.tobey@priority-health.com>
To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Date: 14 Jul 2003 13:13:27 -0400
Subject: perl evil for the week

First off, my little example program shows some new behavior that
everybody should be aware of: perl 5.8.1+ will explicitly randomize the
order of your hash keys.  This is supposed to fix some possible DOS
attacks against perl CGI scripts that guess hash key orders.

Taking two arrays with the same number of elements and putting them into
a hash in one line.  Inspiration credit goes to Damian Conway during his
Advanced Object Oriented Perl class at OSCON.  He used map a number of
times, each time saying something like, "this is evil, so don't do it
unless you really know what you're doing - and please comment it."

#!/usr/bin/perl

@foo = qw( a b c d e f g );
@bar = qw( h i j k l m n );

# here is the evil
%combined = map { $bar[$_] => $foo[$_] } 0..$#foo;

foreach my $key ( keys(%combined) ) {
    print "$key => $combined{$key}\n";
}

-------------------------------
tobeya >perl /tmp/test.pl 
l => e
n => g
k => d
h => a
m => f
j => c
i => b

This was really useful because I was parsing the output of a unix tool
which had known field names, such as vmstat.  I hard-coded the field
names, then mapped the output of the command against the field name
array into a hash.  Very useful in my line of work.

-Al Tobey

---------------------------------------------------------------
P.S. Here is a more complex but possibly better example:

# untested, so probably has errors
@header = qw( proc_r proc_b proc_w swpd free buff cache
           swap_in swap_out blocks_in blocks_out interrupts
           context_switches user_cpu system_cpu idle_cpu );

# run vmstat 10 times with 5 seconds between each listing
open( VMSTAT, "/usr/bin/vmstat -n 5 10 |" )
	|| die "could not execute vmstat: $!";
<VMSTAT>; <VMSTAT>; # skip the headers

my @data = ();
while ( my $vmstat = <VMSTAT> ) {
   my @splitstat = split( /\s+/, $vmstat, $#header+1 );
   my %combined = map { $header[$_] => $splitstat[$_] } 0..$#header;
   push( @data, \%combined );
}
close( VMSTAT );

# do something with @data ...





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From matt at diephouse.com  Mon Jul 14 19:26:55 2003
From: matt at diephouse.com (Matt Diephouse)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: perl evil for the week
In-Reply-To: <1058202807.930.28.camel@linuxws1.internal.priority-health.com>
Message-ID: <09BE8253-B65B-11D7-BC8A-000A9567FCE4@diephouse.com>

Rather than use map to create the hash, you could just use a hash slice.

#!/usr/bin/perl

@foo = qw( a b c d e f g );
@bar = qw( h i j k l m n );

# here is the hash slice
# notice that it uses @ as the sigil
# but also uses {}'s
@combined{@bar} = (@foo);

foreach my $key ( keys(%combined) ) {
     print "$key => $combined{$key}\n";
}

For more information, go to your terminal and type `perldoc perldata`.

matt

On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 01:13  PM, Al Tobey wrote:

> First off, my little example program shows some new behavior that
> everybody should be aware of: perl 5.8.1+ will explicitly randomize the
> order of your hash keys.  This is supposed to fix some possible DOS
> attacks against perl CGI scripts that guess hash key orders.
>
> Taking two arrays with the same number of elements and putting them 
> into
> a hash in one line.  Inspiration credit goes to Damian Conway during 
> his
> Advanced Object Oriented Perl class at OSCON.  He used map a number of
> times, each time saying something like, "this is evil, so don't do it
> unless you really know what you're doing - and please comment it."
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> @foo = qw( a b c d e f g );
> @bar = qw( h i j k l m n );
>
> # here is the evil
> %combined = map { $bar[$_] => $foo[$_] } 0..$#foo;
>
> foreach my $key ( keys(%combined) ) {
>     print "$key => $combined{$key}\n";
> }
>
> -------------------------------
> tobeya >perl /tmp/test.pl
> l => e
> n => g
> k => d
> h => a
> m => f
> j => c
> i => b
>
> This was really useful because I was parsing the output of a unix tool
> which had known field names, such as vmstat.  I hard-coded the field
> names, then mapped the output of the command against the field name
> array into a hash.  Very useful in my line of work.
>
> -Al Tobey
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> P.S. Here is a more complex but possibly better example:
>
> # untested, so probably has errors
> @header = qw( proc_r proc_b proc_w swpd free buff cache
>            swap_in swap_out blocks_in blocks_out interrupts
>            context_switches user_cpu system_cpu idle_cpu );
>
> # run vmstat 10 times with 5 seconds between each listing
> open( VMSTAT, "/usr/bin/vmstat -n 5 10 |" )
> 	|| die "could not execute vmstat: $!";
> <VMSTAT>; <VMSTAT>; # skip the headers
>
> my @data = ();
> while ( my $vmstat = <VMSTAT> ) {
>    my @splitstat = split( /\s+/, $vmstat, $#header+1 );
>    my %combined = map { $header[$_] => $splitstat[$_] } 0..$#header;
>    push( @data, \%combined );
> }
> close( VMSTAT );
>
> # do something with @data ...
>
>
>
>
>
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From albert.tobey at priority-health.com  Tue Jul 15 09:55:00 2003
From: albert.tobey at priority-health.com (Al Tobey)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: perl evil for the week
In-Reply-To: <09BE8253-B65B-11D7-BC8A-000A9567FCE4@diephouse.com>
References: <09BE8253-B65B-11D7-BC8A-000A9567FCE4@diephouse.com>
Message-ID: <1058280899.14381.37.camel@linuxws1.internal.priority-health.com>

That's really cool - I'm not sure why I didn't come across that.  The
only thing I don't really like is, when in strict mode, you have to
pre-declare %combined as a hash.  Yours is easier to read, though.  It's
just not evil enough - I guess I should shave my goatee and drop the
maniacal laugh after all....

use strict;
my %combined = ();
@combined{@foo} = (@bar);

This one:
use strict;
my @combined{@foo} = (@bar);

Throws an error at compile time.  Still good stuff :) TMTOWTDI!
-Al

On Mon, 2003-07-14 at 20:26, Matt Diephouse wrote:
> Rather than use map to create the hash, you could just use a hash slice.
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> @foo = qw( a b c d e f g );
> @bar = qw( h i j k l m n );
> 
> # here is the hash slice
> # notice that it uses @ as the sigil
> # but also uses {}'s
> @combined{@bar} = (@foo);
> 
> foreach my $key ( keys(%combined) ) {
>      print "$key => $combined{$key}\n";
> }
> 
> For more information, go to your terminal and type `perldoc perldata`.
> 
> matt
> 
> On Monday, July 14, 2003, at 01:13  PM, Al Tobey wrote:
> 
> > First off, my little example program shows some new behavior that
> > everybody should be aware of: perl 5.8.1+ will explicitly randomize the
> > order of your hash keys.  This is supposed to fix some possible DOS
> > attacks against perl CGI scripts that guess hash key orders.
> >
> > Taking two arrays with the same number of elements and putting them 
> > into
> > a hash in one line.  Inspiration credit goes to Damian Conway during 
> > his
> > Advanced Object Oriented Perl class at OSCON.  He used map a number of
> > times, each time saying something like, "this is evil, so don't do it
> > unless you really know what you're doing - and please comment it."
> >
> > #!/usr/bin/perl
> >
> > @foo = qw( a b c d e f g );
> > @bar = qw( h i j k l m n );
> >
> > # here is the evil
> > %combined = map { $bar[$_] => $foo[$_] } 0..$#foo;
> >
> > foreach my $key ( keys(%combined) ) {
> >     print "$key => $combined{$key}\n";
> > }
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > tobeya >perl /tmp/test.pl
> > l => e
> > n => g
> > k => d
> > h => a
> > m => f
> > j => c
> > i => b
> >
> > This was really useful because I was parsing the output of a unix tool
> > which had known field names, such as vmstat.  I hard-coded the field
> > names, then mapped the output of the command against the field name
> > array into a hash.  Very useful in my line of work.
> >
> > -Al Tobey
> >
> > ---------------------------------------------------------------
> > P.S. Here is a more complex but possibly better example:
> >
> > # untested, so probably has errors
> > @header = qw( proc_r proc_b proc_w swpd free buff cache
> >            swap_in swap_out blocks_in blocks_out interrupts
> >            context_switches user_cpu system_cpu idle_cpu );
> >
> > # run vmstat 10 times with 5 seconds between each listing
> > open( VMSTAT, "/usr/bin/vmstat -n 5 10 |" )
> > 	|| die "could not execute vmstat: $!";
> > <VMSTAT>; <VMSTAT>; # skip the headers
> >
> > my @data = ();
> > while ( my $vmstat = <VMSTAT> ) {
> >    my @splitstat = split( /\s+/, $vmstat, $#header+1 );
> >    my %combined = map { $header[$_] => $splitstat[$_] } 0..$#header;
> >    push( @data, \%combined );
> > }
> > close( VMSTAT );
> >
> > # do something with @data ...
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu  Tue Jul 22 07:34:54 2003
From: HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu (Matthew R. Heusser)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: Root On UNIX
Message-ID: <1058877294.b957cd00HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>


My instrument instructor in Alaska was 77 years old at the time that I got my rating.  Tom Wardleigh had 33,000 hours of flying experience including 15,000 hours on floats and was considered perhaps the best flight instructor in the state of Alaska.  His son had refused to learn to fly, despite his proximity to such a renowned instructor and all of the freedom that flying brings in a state with substantially no roads.  One of the things that Tom's son had noticed was how many times his father went out to search for pilots who had crashed.  His stated reason for never learning to fly:  "I don't want to do something where the opposite of perfection is death."

Being root on Unix is sort of like that.

From: http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/

You might also want to check out:
   http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/philg/2003/07/17#a876


Interesting stuff.

Perl Mongers on Friday.  See you there?

regards,

Matt H.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Matthew R. Heusser" <HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>
To: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 10:04:21 -0500
Subject: Re: Speaking of problems ...



"
How to stay motivated

It is a wonderful and surprising fact that programmers are highly motivated by the desire to create artifacts that are beautiful, useful, or nifty. This desire is
not unique to programmers nor universal but it is so strong and common among programmers that it separates them from others in other roles.

This has practical and important consequences. If programmers are asked to do something that is not beautiful, useful, or nifty, they will have low morale.
There's a lot of money to be made doing ugly, stupid, and boring stuff; but in the end, fun will make the most money for the company.

Obviously, there are entire industries organized around motivational techniques some of which apply here. The things that are specic to programming
that I can identify are:

-> Use the best language for the job.

-> Look for opportunities to apply new techniques, languages, and technolo-gies.

-> Try to either learn or teach something, however small, in each project.
"

>From How to be a programmer:

http://samizdat.mines.edu/howto/HowToBeAProgrammer.pdf

I found it an interesting free read. (Free like beer, not free like freedom.  :-) 


Matthew H.(eusser)






From HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu  Wed Jul 23 10:36:38 2003
From: HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu (Matthew R. Heusser)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: This month's Perl Monger's Meeting
Message-ID: <1058974598.9f08fbc0HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>


Will be in the training room @ priority health as usual.

Joel Muelenberg will be presenting on Eclipse, the open-source, free IDE from IBM that promises to allow users to develop and debug in any language it has an interpreter for - Java, C#, Perl, Python, Ruby, etc.

I'll get details about meal arrangements out to the list ASAP ...

Matt Heusser




From HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu  Wed Jul 23 11:17:50 2003
From: HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu (Matthew R. Heusser)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: This month's Perl Monger's Meeting
Message-ID: <1058977070.716e87e0HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>


Meeting is at 11:30 AM.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Matthew R. Heusser" <HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>
To: HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:36:38 -0400
Subject: This month's Perl Monger's Meeting


Will be in the training room @ priority health as usual.

Joel Muelenberg will be presenting on Eclipse, the open-source, free IDE from IBM that promises to allow users to develop and debug in any language it has an interpreter for - Java, C#, Perl, Python, Ruby, etc.

I'll get details about meal arrangements out to the list ASAP ...

Matt Heusser







From Keith.Sederholm at priority-health.com  Wed Jul 23 12:46:31 2003
From: Keith.Sederholm at priority-health.com (Keith.Sederholm@priority-health.com)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: This month's Perl Monger's Meeting
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Our culinary delight for this months meeting will be Goldem Wok, specializing in authentic Mandarin, Hunan and Szechuan cuisine.  Please E-mail your lunch requests to keith.sederholm@priority-health.com no later than 10:00 Friday morning.

All lunches served with Egg Roll or
Crab Cheese and Fried Rice or Steamed
Rice.  Please specify.  Soup is available
for an extra charge.

CHICKEN

Sweet and Sour Chicken			5.35
Almond Chicken				5.35
Kung Po Chicken				5.35
Moo Goo Gai Pan				5.35
Cashew Chicken				5.35
Chicken with Chinese Veg		5.35
Chicken with Pea Pods			5.35
Hunan Chicken				5.35


PORK

Sweet and Sour Pork			5.35
Double Delight Pork			5.35
Pork with Chinese Veg			5.35
Hunan Pork					5.35
Kung Po Pork				5.35


BEEF

Pepper Steak				5.75
Mongolian Beef				5.75
Beef with Broccoli			5.75
Beef with Pea Pods			5.75
Beef with Chinese Veg			5.75
Hunan Beef					5.75
Kung Po Beef				5.75


SEAFOOD

Cashew Shrimp				6.35
Shrimp with Pea Pods			6.35
Shrimp with Lobster Sauce		6.35
Sweet and Sour Shrimp			6.35
Kumg Po Shrimp				6.35
Shrimp with Chinese Veg			6.35
Hunan Shrimp				6.35

FRIED RICE

Beef, Chicken, Pork or Veg		5.35
Shrimp Fried Rice				5.95


CHOW MEIN or CHOP SUEY

Beef, Chicken, Pork or Veg		5.35
Shrimp					5.95


Golden Wok
1971 E Beltline
363-8880


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From: Matthew R. Heusser [mailto:HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2003 12:18 PM
To: HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu
Cc: grand-rapids-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: This month's Perl Monger's Meeting



Meeting is at 11:30 AM.


-----Original Message-----
From: "Matthew R. Heusser" <HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>
To: HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu
Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 11:36:38 -0400
Subject: This month's Perl Monger's Meeting


Will be in the training room @ priority health as usual.

Joel Muelenberg will be presenting on Eclipse, the open-source, free IDE from IBM that promises to allow users to develop and debug in any language it has an interpreter for - Java, C#, Perl, Python, Ruby, etc.

I'll get details about meal arrangements out to the list ASAP ...

Matt Heusser






From keith_sederholm at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 23 13:04:33 2003
From: keith_sederholm at yahoo.com (Keith Sederholm)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: Lunch for this months meeting
Message-ID: <20030723180433.10326.qmail@web40905.mail.yahoo.com>

Let's try this again.

Our culinary delight for this months meeting will be
Goldem Wok, specializing in authentic Mandarin, Hunan
and Szechuan cuisine.  Please E-mail your lunch
requests to keith.sederholm@priority-health.com no
later than 10:00 Friday morning.

All lunches served with Egg Roll or
Crab Cheese and Fried Rice or Steamed
Rice.  Please specify.  Soup is available
for an extra charge.

CHICKEN

Sweet and Sour Chicken			5.35
Almond Chicken				5.35
Kung Po Chicken				5.35
Moo Goo Gai Pan				5.35
Cashew Chicken				5.35
Chicken with Chinese Veg		5.35
Chicken with Pea Pods			5.35
Hunan Chicken				5.35


PORK

Sweet and Sour Pork			5.35
Double Delight Pork			5.35
Pork with Chinese Veg			5.35
Hunan Pork				5.35
Kung Po Pork				5.35


BEEF

Pepper Steak				5.75
Mongolian Beef				5.75
Beef with Broccoli			5.75
Beef with Pea Pods			5.75
Beef with Chinese Veg			5.75
Hunan Beef				5.75
Kung Po Beef				5.75


SEAFOOD

Cashew Shrimp				6.35
Shrimp with Pea Pods			6.35
Shrimp with Lobster Sauce		6.35
Sweet and Sour Shrimp			6.35
Kumg Po Shrimp				6.35
Shrimp with Chinese Veg			6.35
Hunan Shrimp				6.35

FRIED RICE

Beef, Chicken, Pork or Veg		5.35
Shrimp Fried Rice			5.95


CHOW MEIN or CHOP SUEY

Beef, Chicken, Pork or Veg		5.35
Shrimp					5.95


Golden Wok
1971 E Beltline
363-8880



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From HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu  Fri Jul 25 12:20:07 2003
From: HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu (Matthew R. Heusser)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: Meeting Notes
Message-ID: <1059153607.7dafef40HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>

Folks:

Thanks for Joel for a great presentation on Eclipse!

Upcoming Meetings:

August -  Social Meeting.  (Mogolian BBQ?)
 
September - Steve Polling, 
            "Technique for Maintainable Perl"
            @ Calvin College
            (Steve: Please email me about details)

October - Matt Diephouse
          "Perl 6 Essentials"
          @ Calvin College

Details to follow.


Matthew Heusser, VP, GR.PM


From HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu  Fri Jul 25 12:20:30 2003
From: HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu (Matthew R. Heusser)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: Next Month's Perl Monger's Meeting
Message-ID: <1059153630.7dafef40HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>


Folks:

Thanks for Joel for a great presentation on Eclipse!

Upcoming Meetings:

August -  Social Meeting.  (Mogolian BBQ?)
 
September - Steve Polling, 
            "Technique for Maintainable Perl"
            @ Calvin College
            (Steve: Please email me about details)

October - Matt Diephouse
          "Perl 6 Essentials"
          @ Calvin College

Details to follow.


Matthew Heusser, VP, GR.PM


From Benjamin.Mouw at priority-health.com  Mon Jul 28 15:38:19 2003
From: Benjamin.Mouw at priority-health.com (Benjamin.Mouw@priority-health.com)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: FW: Perl Mongers meeting place
Message-ID: <E44E20A8C98F154089DB7AEF3E10AB3452F10F@atka.ad.priority-health.com>

I talked to my prof at Calvin and he was not able to reserve a room on Friday.  Thursday might be a better day if that would be ok with everyone.  

--Ben Mouw

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Adams [mailto:adams@calvin.edu]
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:46 PM
To: Benjamin Mouw
Subject: Re: Perl Mongers meeting place


Yes, Fridays are bad.  As you know, most courses meet M-W-F, so Friday 
(aside from the room not being available) would wipe out 2 time slots.

Check with your group on the feasibility of T or Th, and I'll check on 
Monday regarding the availability of a room either of those days.

-JCA

On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 04:30 PM, 
<Benjamin.Mouw@priority-health.com> wrote:

> Joel,
> I knew this would be a bad time.  But we usually meet over our lunch 
> period on the last Friday of each month.  But we may be able to change 
> the day.  Let me know.
> Thanks,
> Ben
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joel Adams [mailto:adams@calvin.edu]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 4:29 PM
> To: Benjamin Mouw
> Subject: Re: Perl Mongers meeting place
>
>
> Hmmm.  I was figuring you'd be meeting at a time like the Java Users
> Group -- in the late afternoon or evening, not mid-day.  Those
> 11:30-1:30 time slots are pretty busy most days, through Tuesdays or
> Thursdays might be open.  What day do you usually meet?
>
> -JCA
>
> On Friday, July 25, 2003, at 01:25 PM,
> <Benjamin.Mouw@priority-health.com> wrote:
>
>> Professor Adams,
>> We finally got around to deciding on a meeting place.  Hopefully this
>> will bring in some calvin students to our meetings.  We have lined up
>> some pretty good presentations for September and October.  I was
>> wondering if you could reserve a room for us at Calvin.  The meetings
>> are from 11:30-1:00.  One of the usual classrooms should be enough.
>> Below are the details of the meeting.
>> September - Steve Polling,
>>             "Technique for Maintainable Perl"
>>             @ Calvin College
>>             (Steve: Please email me about details)
>>
>> October - Matt Diephouse
>>           "Perl 6 Essentials"
>>           @ Calvin College
>>
>> Details to follow.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Benjamin Mouw
>> Web Team Intern
>> Priority Health
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Joel C. Adams, Ph.D.             "Two excesses:
Department of Computer Science     to exclude reason,
Calvin College                     to admit nothing but reason."
Grand Rapids, MI 49546             - Blaise Pascal, Pens?es
Ph:  616-526-8562
FAX: 616-526-6501                 http://www.calvin.edu/~adams


From HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu  Mon Jul 28 20:04:32 2003
From: HEUSSERM at student.gvsu.edu (Matthew R. Heusser)
Date: Wed Aug  4 00:01:30 2004
Subject: FW: Perl Mongers meeting place
Message-ID: <1059440672.7b05fea0HEUSSERM@student.gvsu.edu>


I suggest thursdays.

Lets move the discussion to Gr.pm-list and off 
announce. (Bit of trivia:  Back in 1999-ish, we had so much e-mail traffic that people -insisted- on two lists, one with less volume ... those were the days.)



Matt H.(eusser)