From perl at minty.org  Sun Oct 19 05:34:57 2014
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 13:34:57 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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Hey -- Thursday is the 4th of the month.

In the absence of alternative suggestions ... next on the tour list:

http://www.thepottingshededinburgh.co.uk/

The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
32-34 Potterrow, EH8 9BT
0131 6629788

https://www.google.com/maps?q=32-34+Potterrow,+Edinburgh,+EH8+9BT

p.s. Bonus heretical 5th Thursday next week.


On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/aug/01/top-10-craft-beer-pubs-in-edinburgh
>
> Excluding ones that don't serve food, or we've been to before, and
> working top down, I believe the next few venues are:
>
> 3. Usher's (used to be the Blind Poet, I think)
> 4. The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
> 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
> 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Sun Oct 19 06:03:25 2014
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:03:25 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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I'm not a huge fan of the Potting Shed - IIRC it's one of those
expensive-beer-in-small-glasses places, like the Hanging Bat - but am happy
to be overruled.

Miles

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:

> Hey -- Thursday is the 4th of the month.
>
> In the absence of alternative suggestions ... next on the tour list:
>
> http://www.thepottingshededinburgh.co.uk/
>
> The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
> 32-34 Potterrow, EH8 9BT
> 0131 6629788
>
> https://www.google.com/maps?q=32-34+Potterrow,+Edinburgh,+EH8+9BT
>
> p.s. Bonus heretical 5th Thursday next week.
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/aug/01/top-10-craft-beer-pubs-in-edinburgh
> >
> > Excluding ones that don't serve food, or we've been to before, and
> > working top down, I believe the next few venues are:
> >
> > 3. Usher's (used to be the Blind Poet, I think)
> > 4. The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
> > 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
> > 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
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From divot.powell at googlemail.com  Sun Oct 19 06:46:10 2014
From: divot.powell at googlemail.com (Daniel Powell)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 14:46:10 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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+1 to what Miles said
On 19 Oct 2014 14:03, "Miles Gould" <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:

> I'm not a huge fan of the Potting Shed - IIRC it's one of those
> expensive-beer-in-small-glasses places, like the Hanging Bat - but am happy
> to be overruled.
>
> Miles
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey -- Thursday is the 4th of the month.
>>
>> In the absence of alternative suggestions ... next on the tour list:
>>
>> http://www.thepottingshededinburgh.co.uk/
>>
>> The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
>> 32-34 Potterrow, EH8 9BT
>> 0131 6629788
>>
>> https://www.google.com/maps?q=32-34+Potterrow,+Edinburgh,+EH8+9BT
>>
>> p.s. Bonus heretical 5th Thursday next week.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>> >
>> http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/aug/01/top-10-craft-beer-pubs-in-edinburgh
>> >
>> > Excluding ones that don't serve food, or we've been to before, and
>> > working top down, I believe the next few venues are:
>> >
>> > 3. Usher's (used to be the Blind Poet, I think)
>> > 4. The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
>> > 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
>> > 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From perl at minty.org  Sun Oct 19 11:33:07 2014
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:33:07 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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Happy with alternatives ... suggestions?

The two on the previously-suggested list:

> 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
> 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)

And/or any others?  I believe of the places we've tried, Aaron's
favourite to date (in the sense that it's the best fit, or least bad
given our criteria) is The Kenilworth on Rose Street.  I'd concur it's
probably the best fit given what we seem to be looking for.

So Blackfriars, Timeryard, Kenilworth, other?

M


On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Daniel Powell
<divot.powell at googlemail.com> wrote:
> +1 to what Miles said
>
> On 19 Oct 2014 14:03, "Miles Gould" <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not a huge fan of the Potting Shed - IIRC it's one of those
>> expensive-beer-in-small-glasses places, like the Hanging Bat - but am happy
>> to be overruled.
>>
>> Miles
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey -- Thursday is the 4th of the month.
>>>
>>> In the absence of alternative suggestions ... next on the tour list:
>>>
>>> http://www.thepottingshededinburgh.co.uk/
>>>
>>> The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
>>> 32-34 Potterrow, EH8 9BT
>>> 0131 6629788
>>>
>>> https://www.google.com/maps?q=32-34+Potterrow,+Edinburgh,+EH8+9BT
>>>
>>> p.s. Bonus heretical 5th Thursday next week.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/aug/01/top-10-craft-beer-pubs-in-edinburgh
>>> >
>>> > Excluding ones that don't serve food, or we've been to before, and
>>> > working top down, I believe the next few venues are:
>>> >
>>> > 3. Usher's (used to be the Blind Poet, I think)
>>> > 4. The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
>>> > 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
>>> > 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Sun Oct 19 14:55:30 2014
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 22:55:30 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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+1 to Blackfriars.

On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:

> Happy with alternatives ... suggestions?
>
> The two on the previously-suggested list:
>
> > 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
> > 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
>
> And/or any others?  I believe of the places we've tried, Aaron's
> favourite to date (in the sense that it's the best fit, or least bad
> given our criteria) is The Kenilworth on Rose Street.  I'd concur it's
> probably the best fit given what we seem to be looking for.
>
> So Blackfriars, Timeryard, Kenilworth, other?
>
> M
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 2:46 PM, Daniel Powell
> <divot.powell at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > +1 to what Miles said
> >
> > On 19 Oct 2014 14:03, "Miles Gould" <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not a huge fan of the Potting Shed - IIRC it's one of those
> >> expensive-beer-in-small-glasses places, like the Hanging Bat - but am
> happy
> >> to be overruled.
> >>
> >> Miles
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 19, 2014 at 1:34 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hey -- Thursday is the 4th of the month.
> >>>
> >>> In the absence of alternative suggestions ... next on the tour list:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.thepottingshededinburgh.co.uk/
> >>>
> >>> The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
> >>> 32-34 Potterrow, EH8 9BT
> >>> 0131 6629788
> >>>
> >>> https://www.google.com/maps?q=32-34+Potterrow,+Edinburgh,+EH8+9BT
> >>>
> >>> p.s. Bonus heretical 5th Thursday next week.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:06 PM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/aug/01/top-10-craft-beer-pubs-in-edinburgh
> >>> >
> >>> > Excluding ones that don't serve food, or we've been to before, and
> >>> > working top down, I believe the next few venues are:
> >>> >
> >>> > 3. Usher's (used to be the Blind Poet, I think)
> >>> > 4. The Potting Shed (the big place on Potterrow)
> >>> > 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
> >>> > 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> >>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> >> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
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From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Mon Oct 20 03:25:10 2014
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 11:25:10 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> Happy with alternatives ... suggestions?
>
> The two on the previously-suggested list:
>
>> 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
>> 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
>
> And/or any others?  I believe of the places we've tried, Aaron's
> favourite to date (in the sense that it's the best fit, or least bad
> given our criteria) is The Kenilworth on Rose Street.  I'd concur it's
> probably the best fit given what we seem to be looking for.
>
> So Blackfriars, Timeryard, Kenilworth, other?

Since last month, I've changed my mind, and now favour Usher's as a
long-term venue, of the ones we've tried so far.

It definitely seems worth giving Blackfriars and Timberyard a go, mind.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From cyocum at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 05:40:55 2014
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Christopher Yocum)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:40:55 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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Hi,

I am hoping to make it this month so I am happy with anything really.

Chris

On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:

> Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> > Happy with alternatives ... suggestions?
> >
> > The two on the previously-suggested list:
> >
> >> 6. Blackfriars (Blackfriars Street)
> >> 6b. Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
> >
> > And/or any others?  I believe of the places we've tried, Aaron's
> > favourite to date (in the sense that it's the best fit, or least bad
> > given our criteria) is The Kenilworth on Rose Street.  I'd concur it's
> > probably the best fit given what we seem to be looking for.
> >
> > So Blackfriars, Timeryard, Kenilworth, other?
>
> Since last month, I've changed my mind, and now favour Usher's as a
> long-term venue, of the ones we've tried so far.
>
> It definitely seems worth giving Blackfriars and Timberyard a go, mind.
>
> --
> Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
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From perl at minty.org  Tue Oct 21 10:28:11 2014
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:28:11 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
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I called to try and reserve a table ... long story short .. we can't.

There's a charity event on in the bar on Thursday, so they are
expecting it to be busy.  They'll only take a table reservation in the
"restaurant" ... no reservations in the bar ... can't be after 6.30,
we'd have to leave the table by 8.45, and they won't guarantee that
they can serve anyone who might turn up late.  Basically the
restaurant works ... like a restaurant :)

And they can't guarantee what "bar food" will be available - small
kitchen, busy night, etc.  There should be some - but be it might be
slow to arrive, etc. they can't guarantee anything ... they are
expecting to be busy ... no reservations in the bar ....

So ...

(1) Blackfriars ... it's likely to be busy & we may or may not get
good seating / food in a timely fashion.

(2) Try Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)

(3) back to Ushers

(4) Other

I propose the following rules:

- If anyone expresses a preference, we go with the majority.

- If it's a tie, the place that was suggested first (after this email) wins

- If nobody cares ... Blackfriars ... if it's rammed & no seating ...
abort to Holyrood 9A.

The last is just a catch-all / fallback / line in the sand.  Do please
express a preference :)

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Tue Oct 21 15:15:02 2014
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 23:15:02 +0100
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My preference order: Timberyard, Ushers, Other, Blackfriars

Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> I called to try and reserve a table ... long story short .. we can't.
>
> There's a charity event on in the bar on Thursday, so they are
> expecting it to be busy.  They'll only take a table reservation in the
> "restaurant" ... no reservations in the bar ... can't be after 6.30,
> we'd have to leave the table by 8.45, and they won't guarantee that
> they can serve anyone who might turn up late.  Basically the
> restaurant works ... like a restaurant :)
>
> And they can't guarantee what "bar food" will be available - small
> kitchen, busy night, etc.  There should be some - but be it might be
> slow to arrive, etc. they can't guarantee anything ... they are
> expecting to be busy ... no reservations in the bar ....
>
> So ...
>
> (1) Blackfriars ... it's likely to be busy & we may or may not get
> good seating / food in a timely fashion.
>
> (2) Try Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
>
> (3) back to Ushers
>
> (4) Other
>
> I propose the following rules:
>
> - If anyone expresses a preference, we go with the majority.
>
> - If it's a tie, the place that was suggested first (after this email) wins
>
> - If nobody cares ... Blackfriars ... if it's rammed & no seating ...
> abort to Holyrood 9A.
>
> The last is just a catch-all / fallback / line in the sand.  Do please
> express a preference :)
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
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From cyocum at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 01:13:31 2014
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Christopher Yocum)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:13:31 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
In-Reply-To: <CACmk_tvj03rOfnKMdTX2K5OFNn4aF79rG41zV4njFKhpRYeVbw@mail.gmail.com>
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I am ok with Timberyard as I haven't been there before.

Chris

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:

> My preference order: Timberyard, Ushers, Other, Blackfriars
>
> Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> > I called to try and reserve a table ... long story short .. we can't.
> >
> > There's a charity event on in the bar on Thursday, so they are
> > expecting it to be busy.  They'll only take a table reservation in the
> > "restaurant" ... no reservations in the bar ... can't be after 6.30,
> > we'd have to leave the table by 8.45, and they won't guarantee that
> > they can serve anyone who might turn up late.  Basically the
> > restaurant works ... like a restaurant :)
> >
> > And they can't guarantee what "bar food" will be available - small
> > kitchen, busy night, etc.  There should be some - but be it might be
> > slow to arrive, etc. they can't guarantee anything ... they are
> > expecting to be busy ... no reservations in the bar ....
> >
> > So ...
> >
> > (1) Blackfriars ... it's likely to be busy & we may or may not get
> > good seating / food in a timely fashion.
> >
> > (2) Try Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
> >
> > (3) back to Ushers
> >
> > (4) Other
> >
> > I propose the following rules:
> >
> > - If anyone expresses a preference, we go with the majority.
> >
> > - If it's a tie, the place that was suggested first (after this email)
> wins
> >
> > - If nobody cares ... Blackfriars ... if it's rammed & no seating ...
> > abort to Holyrood 9A.
> >
> > The last is just a catch-all / fallback / line in the sand.  Do please
> > express a preference :)
> > _______________________________________________
> > Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/
> _______________________________________________
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Wed Oct 22 01:29:39 2014
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 09:29:39 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs: Perl
In-Reply-To: <CAJt-9twP7yoTtc-xXUt3ELTqsWwhW9wxtMvy3Q+JTJP-C8dxPQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Never been to Timberyard: happy to try it. Doesn't sound like Blackfriars
would be much fun this week.

On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Christopher Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:

> I am ok with Timberyard as I haven't been there before.
>
> Chris
>
> On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:15 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> My preference order: Timberyard, Ushers, Other, Blackfriars
>>
>> Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>> > I called to try and reserve a table ... long story short .. we can't.
>> >
>> > There's a charity event on in the bar on Thursday, so they are
>> > expecting it to be busy.  They'll only take a table reservation in the
>> > "restaurant" ... no reservations in the bar ... can't be after 6.30,
>> > we'd have to leave the table by 8.45, and they won't guarantee that
>> > they can serve anyone who might turn up late.  Basically the
>> > restaurant works ... like a restaurant :)
>> >
>> > And they can't guarantee what "bar food" will be available - small
>> > kitchen, busy night, etc.  There should be some - but be it might be
>> > slow to arrive, etc. they can't guarantee anything ... they are
>> > expecting to be busy ... no reservations in the bar ....
>> >
>> > So ...
>> >
>> > (1) Blackfriars ... it's likely to be busy & we may or may not get
>> > good seating / food in a timely fashion.
>> >
>> > (2) Try Timberyard (Lady Lawson Street)
>> >
>> > (3) back to Ushers
>> >
>> > (4) Other
>> >
>> > I propose the following rules:
>> >
>> > - If anyone expresses a preference, we go with the majority.
>> >
>> > - If it's a tie, the place that was suggested first (after this email)
>> wins
>> >
>> > - If nobody cares ... Blackfriars ... if it's rammed & no seating ...
>> > abort to Holyrood 9A.
>> >
>> > The last is just a catch-all / fallback / line in the sand.  Do please
>> > express a preference :)
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>>
>
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From perl at minty.org  Thu Oct 23 03:12:11 2014
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 11:12:11 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] VENUE CHANGE - Re:  Thurs: Perl
Message-ID: <CAP-hO4x87No7_dHVdUxPKF=T3LXdSugL0y4aWZp_M_zB3GCi3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Long story short -- on closer inspection, Blackfriars & Timeryard are
more restaurants, less pubs.  So ... back to Usher's -- same place we
were last month.

  Usher's of Edinburgh
  32b West Nicolson Street, EH8 9DD
  0131 662 1757

  http://ushersofedinburgh.co.uk/

  https://www.google.com/maps/preview?q=32b+West+Nicolson+Street

I've booked a table for 6, in the quieter area, from 6:30 in my name.

Apologies for the venue shenanigans.

From cyocum at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 05:19:31 2014
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Christopher Yocum)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 13:19:31 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] VENUE CHANGE - Re: Thurs: Perl
In-Reply-To: <CAP-hO4x87No7_dHVdUxPKF=T3LXdSugL0y4aWZp_M_zB3GCi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP-hO4x87No7_dHVdUxPKF=T3LXdSugL0y4aWZp_M_zB3GCi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJt-9tzi8Zh7DDNCDz9BbRysKXF1yZ-ObVurxGtMRrkmjROEEA@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good.  I will see you all there!

Chris

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:

> Hello
>
> Long story short -- on closer inspection, Blackfriars & Timeryard are
> more restaurants, less pubs.  So ... back to Usher's -- same place we
> were last month.
>
>   Usher's of Edinburgh
>   32b West Nicolson Street, EH8 9DD
>   0131 662 1757
>
>   http://ushersofedinburgh.co.uk/
>
>   https://www.google.com/maps/preview?q=32b+West+Nicolson+Street
>
> I've booked a table for 6, in the quieter area, from 6:30 in my name.
>
> Apologies for the venue shenanigans.
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Thu Oct 23 06:57:43 2014
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 14:57:43 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] VENUE CHANGE - Re: Thurs: Perl
In-Reply-To: <CAJt-9tzi8Zh7DDNCDz9BbRysKXF1yZ-ObVurxGtMRrkmjROEEA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP-hO4x87No7_dHVdUxPKF=T3LXdSugL0y4aWZp_M_zB3GCi3Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJt-9tzi8Zh7DDNCDz9BbRysKXF1yZ-ObVurxGtMRrkmjROEEA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKFNCm3PukQBKd-EJcmMuZwwVfPHiEs_1_pCLYP5Nv_p-GrpLw@mail.gmail.com>

I was feeling totally grim this morning, to the extent of forgetting the
name of one of my officemates*. I'm feeling a bit better now, but may have
to bow out: I'll see how I'm feeling come 1800.

Miles

* Terribly careless of him to have the same first name as the CEO, amirite?

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sounds good.  I will see you all there!
>
> Chris
>
> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 11:12 AM, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>> Long story short -- on closer inspection, Blackfriars & Timeryard are
>> more restaurants, less pubs.  So ... back to Usher's -- same place we
>> were last month.
>>
>>   Usher's of Edinburgh
>>   32b West Nicolson Street, EH8 9DD
>>   0131 662 1757
>>
>>   http://ushersofedinburgh.co.uk/
>>
>>   https://www.google.com/maps/preview?q=32b+West+Nicolson+Street
>>
>> I've booked a table for 6, in the quieter area, from 6:30 in my name.
>>
>> Apologies for the venue shenanigans.
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>>
>
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Oct 28 09:52:47 2014
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 16:52:47 +0000
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Heretics, Thursday 30th October
Message-ID: <CAKFNCm1J52U=SOQJVuv+jy2o1xRJS1UnaNq=eWUne6zUn86s9w@mail.gmail.com>

Brethren and sistren of the True Faith!

The Holy Fifth Thursday Of The Month draws near, wherein we must celebrate
the ancient rites. I may not be able to join you, but the sabbat must be
marked, lest He whose Name cannot be written in the Basic Multilingual
Plane be awakened from his ten-thousand-year slumber. We require a venue
for our libations: do any of the potential congregants have suggestions?

Miles
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From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 10:31:27 2014
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:31:27 +0000
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Heretics, Thursday 30th October
In-Reply-To: <CAKFNCm1J52U=SOQJVuv+jy2o1xRJS1UnaNq=eWUne6zUn86s9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKFNCm1J52U=SOQJVuv+jy2o1xRJS1UnaNq=eWUne6zUn86s9w@mail.gmail.com>
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Could I suggest, Tiles, Saint Andrews Square:
http://www.tilesbar.co.uk/index.php?content=contact.htm

Not too far from where we used to met at the Guildford Arms.

I've sampled the food, and ind the prices and quality will I think satisfy.
I cannot vouch for the alcohol, but  the web page reads OK.

Andrew

On 28 October 2014 16:52, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:

> Brethren and sistren of the True Faith!
>
> The Holy Fifth Thursday Of The Month draws near, wherein we must celebrate
> the ancient rites. I may not be able to join you, but the sabbat must be
> marked, lest He whose Name cannot be written in the Basic Multilingual
> Plane be awakened from his ten-thousand-year slumber. We require a venue
> for our libations: do any of the potential congregants have suggestions?
>
> Miles
>
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
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From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Tue Oct 28 11:19:11 2014
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 18:19:11 +0000
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Heretics, Thursday 30th October
In-Reply-To: <CAD1LUeq5cpr7+n2jY_jYdcvYzNzTc8LGENcXt_731nxPSJYuDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKFNCm1J52U=SOQJVuv+jy2o1xRJS1UnaNq=eWUne6zUn86s9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD1LUeq5cpr7+n2jY_jYdcvYzNzTc8LGENcXt_731nxPSJYuDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACmk_tuX4tshAbdQXUQojxydHPK9TrKfaic23_h1PX1B9grq3w@mail.gmail.com>

We've been to Tiles twice this year now, and I'm afraid I'm not really
a fan, so I'd prefer if we went elsewhere.

How about the Holyrood 9A?

A Smith <asmith9983 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could I suggest, Tiles, Saint Andrews Square:
> http://www.tilesbar.co.uk/index.php?content=contact.htm
>
> Not too far from where we used to met at the Guildford Arms.
>
> I've sampled the food, and ind the prices and quality will I think satisfy.
> I cannot vouch for the alcohol, but  the web page reads OK.
>
> Andrew
>
> On 28 October 2014 16:52, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
>>
>> Brethren and sistren of the True Faith!
>>
>> The Holy Fifth Thursday Of The Month draws near, wherein we must celebrate
>> the ancient rites. I may not be able to join you, but the sabbat must be
>> marked, lest He whose Name cannot be written in the Basic Multilingual Plane
>> be awakened from his ten-thousand-year slumber. We require a venue for our
>> libations: do any of the potential congregants have suggestions?
>>
>> Miles
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm



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From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Wed Oct 29 05:28:21 2014
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:28:21 +0000
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Heretics, Thursday 30th October
In-Reply-To: <CACmk_tuX4tshAbdQXUQojxydHPK9TrKfaic23_h1PX1B9grq3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKFNCm1J52U=SOQJVuv+jy2o1xRJS1UnaNq=eWUne6zUn86s9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD1LUeq5cpr7+n2jY_jYdcvYzNzTc8LGENcXt_731nxPSJYuDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACmk_tuX4tshAbdQXUQojxydHPK9TrKfaic23_h1PX1B9grq3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACmk_tuao+DAHeheooD=GwGYaRw=ZH-_RL63rsrvuORnzVR8VQ@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, it looks like I can't make it tomorrow either, so I withdraw
that ? if the consensus is for Tiles, enjoy!

I wrote:
> We've been to Tiles twice this year now, and I'm afraid I'm not really
> a fan, so I'd prefer if we went elsewhere.
>
> How about the Holyrood 9A?
>
> A Smith <asmith9983 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Could I suggest, Tiles, Saint Andrews Square:
>> http://www.tilesbar.co.uk/index.php?content=contact.htm
>>
>> Not too far from where we used to met at the Guildford Arms.
>>
>> I've sampled the food, and ind the prices and quality will I think satisfy.
>> I cannot vouch for the alcohol, but  the web page reads OK.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On 28 October 2014 16:52, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> Brethren and sistren of the True Faith!
>>>
>>> The Holy Fifth Thursday Of The Month draws near, wherein we must celebrate
>>> the ancient rites. I may not be able to join you, but the sabbat must be
>>> marked, lest He whose Name cannot be written in the Basic Multilingual Plane
>>> be awakened from his ten-thousand-year slumber. We require a venue for our
>>> libations: do any of the potential congregants have suggestions?
>>>
>>> Miles
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/



-- 
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Thu Oct 30 10:43:10 2014
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:43:10 +0000
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Heretics, Thursday 30th October
In-Reply-To: <CACmk_tuao+DAHeheooD=GwGYaRw=ZH-_RL63rsrvuORnzVR8VQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKFNCm1J52U=SOQJVuv+jy2o1xRJS1UnaNq=eWUne6zUn86s9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD1LUeq5cpr7+n2jY_jYdcvYzNzTc8LGENcXt_731nxPSJYuDA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACmk_tuX4tshAbdQXUQojxydHPK9TrKfaic23_h1PX1B9grq3w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACmk_tuao+DAHeheooD=GwGYaRw=ZH-_RL63rsrvuORnzVR8VQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKFNCm24P2HzGLKDk8mG0=m2pCsvaWWvf1qQABHrQZdfxiokwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Turns out I can make it after all, though only briefly. I'll see folk in
Tiles from about 6.30 onwards.

Miles

On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 12:28 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:

> Actually, it looks like I can't make it tomorrow either, so I withdraw
> that ? if the consensus is for Tiles, enjoy!
>
> I wrote:
> > We've been to Tiles twice this year now, and I'm afraid I'm not really
> > a fan, so I'd prefer if we went elsewhere.
> >
> > How about the Holyrood 9A?
> >
> > A Smith <asmith9983 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Could I suggest, Tiles, Saint Andrews Square:
> >> http://www.tilesbar.co.uk/index.php?content=contact.htm
> >>
> >> Not too far from where we used to met at the Guildford Arms.
> >>
> >> I've sampled the food, and ind the prices and quality will I think
> satisfy.
> >> I cannot vouch for the alcohol, but  the web page reads OK.
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >> On 28 October 2014 16:52, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Brethren and sistren of the True Faith!
> >>>
> >>> The Holy Fifth Thursday Of The Month draws near, wherein we must
> celebrate
> >>> the ancient rites. I may not be able to join you, but the sabbat must
> be
> >>> marked, lest He whose Name cannot be written in the Basic Multilingual
> Plane
> >>> be awakened from his ten-thousand-year slumber. We require a venue for
> our
> >>> libations: do any of the potential congregants have suggestions?
> >>>
> >>> Miles
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> >>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> >> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/
>
>
>
> --
> Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/
>
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