From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Mon Feb 18 11:39:59 2013 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 19:39:59 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Local Perl job Message-ID: In case anyone hasn't seen this on jobs.perl.org, it's a local (they say "Edinburgh", but they apparently mean "Musselburgh") full-time Perl post: http://jobs.perl.org/job/17023 I don't know anything about the position other than what's on that page, but I thought there might be people round these parts who'd appreciate a heads-up. :-) -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From struan at exo.org.uk Tue Feb 19 01:40:29 2013 From: struan at exo.org.uk (Struan Donald) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 09:40:29 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] mySociety are hiring In-Reply-To: <5106EA3D.2070101@assyrian.org.uk> References: <5106EA3D.2070101@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: On 28 Jan 2013, at 28 21:14, Miles Gould wrote: > I thought folks here might like to know that web-based do-gooders mySociety are hiring: > > http://mysocietyltd.theresumator.com/apply/olHAWM/Web-Developer.html > > They're the folks behind TheyWorkForYou, WhatDoTheyKnow, FixMyStreet, FixMyTransport, ePetitions, and many other tools of the web-savvy political troublemaker. > > Application deadline is 10am on the 4th of February. Hello, as I was a bit remiss about mentioning it the last time I should say that we're still looking for developers and that the closing date is now the 18th of March: http://mysocietyltd.theresumator.com/apply/yuXLuc/Web-Developer.html You get to work at home with nice people on useful things, some of which are written in Perl :) Struan From robrwo at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 09:00:55 2013 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 17:00:55 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Local Perl job In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5123AFC7.40102@gmail.com> I've heard of this company. Their big product is parsing CVs, I think for recruiters and job sites. On 18/02/13 19:39 Aaron Crane wrote: > In case anyone hasn't seen this on jobs.perl.org, it's a local (they > say "Edinburgh", but they apparently mean "Musselburgh") full-time > Perl post: > > http://jobs.perl.org/job/17023 > > I don't know anything about the position other than what's on that > page, but I thought there might be people round these parts who'd > appreciate a heads-up. :-) > From bynari at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 11:09:07 2013 From: bynari at gmail.com (Jeff Parsons) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 19:09:07 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Local Perl job In-Reply-To: <5123AFC7.40102@gmail.com> References: <5123AFC7.40102@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5123CDD3.2060205@gmail.com> Crikey:- "Sorry, but no expenses to bring candidates to Edinburgh for interview and no relocation package for successful candidates." They don't sound all that interested in getting a good developer if they expect us to pay for our own interview + relocation expenses. What are some typical head developer Perl salaries in Scotland these days anyway? Anything close to ?80k/year+ with company shares? Pretty much every job I see doesn't list the salary, which is pretty off-putting. It's such a waste of time to contact a company for a job only to find out they're offering ?20k/year etc. I don't know where that practice of not disclosing salaries came from. Cheers, Jeff On 19/02/2013 17:00, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > I've heard of this company. Their big product is parsing CVs, I think for > recruiters and job sites. > > On 18/02/13 19:39 Aaron Crane wrote: >> In case anyone hasn't seen this on jobs.perl.org, it's a local (they >> say "Edinburgh", but they apparently mean "Musselburgh") full-time >> Perl post: >> >> http://jobs.perl.org/job/17023 >> >> I don't know anything about the position other than what's on that >> page, but I thought there might be people round these parts who'd >> appreciate a heads-up. :-) >> > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From falsedan at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:08:20 2013 From: falsedan at gmail.com (falsedan) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:08:20 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Local Perl job In-Reply-To: <5123CDD3.2060205@gmail.com> References: <5123AFC7.40102@gmail.com> <5123CDD3.2060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've worked there. Here's a link that other staff shared with me http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Two-Weeks-Notice.aspx On 19 February 2013 19:09, Jeff Parsons wrote: > Crikey:- > > "Sorry, but no expenses to bring candidates to Edinburgh for interview > and no relocation package for successful candidates." > > They don't sound all that interested in getting a good developer if they > expect us to pay for our own interview + relocation expenses. > > > What are some typical head developer Perl salaries in Scotland these days > anyway? Anything close to ?80k/year+ with company shares? Pretty much every > job I see doesn't list the salary, which is pretty off-putting. It's such a > waste of time to contact a company for a job only to find out they're > offering ?20k/year etc. I don't know where that practice of not disclosing > salaries came from. > > > Cheers, > Jeff > > > > On 19/02/2013 17:00, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > > I've heard of this company. Their big product is parsing CVs, I think for > recruiters and job sites. > > On 18/02/13 19:39 Aaron Crane wrote: > > In case anyone hasn't seen this on jobs.perl.org, it's a local (they > say "Edinburgh", but they apparently mean "Musselburgh") full-time > Perl post: > http://jobs.perl.org/job/17023 > > I don't know anything about the position other than what's on that > page, but I thought there might be people round these parts who'd > appreciate a heads-up. :-) > > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing listEdinburgh-pm at pm.orghttp://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bynari at gmail.com Tue Feb 19 15:20:08 2013 From: bynari at gmail.com (Jeff Parsons) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 23:20:08 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Local Perl job In-Reply-To: References: <5123AFC7.40102@gmail.com> <5123CDD3.2060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <512408A8.8030304@gmail.com> Wow, unbelievable! What an absolute joke of a company. There's so many companies like this who have clowns with egos the size of mountains running the show and actually preventing proper business being done. On 19/02/2013 23:08, falsedan wrote: > I've worked there. Here's a link that other staff shared with me > http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Two-Weeks-Notice.aspx > > > On 19 February 2013 19:09, Jeff Parsons > wrote: > > Crikey:- > > "Sorry, but no expenses to bring candidates to Edinburgh for > interview and no relocation package for successful candidates." > > They don't sound all that interested in getting a good developer > if they expect us to pay for our own interview + relocation expenses. > > > What are some typical head developer Perl salaries in Scotland > these days anyway? Anything close to ?80k/year+ with company > shares? Pretty much every job I see doesn't list the salary, which > is pretty off-putting. It's such a waste of time to contact a > company for a job only to find out they're offering ?20k/year etc. > I don't know where that practice of not disclosing salaries came > from. > > > Cheers, > Jeff > > > > On 19/02/2013 17:00, Robert Rothenberg wrote: >> I've heard of this company. Their big product is parsing CVs, I think for >> recruiters and job sites. >> >> On 18/02/13 19:39 Aaron Crane wrote: >>> In case anyone hasn't seen this onjobs.perl.org , it's a local (they >>> say "Edinburgh", but they apparently mean "Musselburgh") full-time >>> Perl post: >>> >>> http://jobs.perl.org/job/17023 >>> >>> I don't know anything about the position other than what's on that >>> page, but I thought there might be people round these parts who'd >>> appreciate a heads-up. :-) >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Edinburgh-pm mailing list >> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Wed Feb 20 09:38:29 2013 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Wed, 20 Feb 2013 17:38:29 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Local Perl job In-Reply-To: <5123CDD3.2060205@gmail.com> References: <5123AFC7.40102@gmail.com> <5123CDD3.2060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: Jeff Parsons wrote: > What are some typical head developer Perl salaries in Scotland these days > anyway? Anything close to ?80k/year+ with company shares? Pretty much every > job I see doesn't list the salary, which is pretty off-putting. It's such a > waste of time to contact a company for a job only to find out they're > offering ?20k/year etc. I don't know where that practice of not disclosing > salaries came from. I'm no expert, but I think your expectation of ?80k/year is a little high. The highest rate I've seen quoted for full-time, salaried Perl positions in London is ?70k + bonus. To be honest, my guess is that there are very few developer jobs advertised in Scotland for which the successful candidate gets a salary in the ?80k+ range. I completely agree with you on job adverts that don't include an indication of expected salary, though. I can kind of see why some companies do that, but it definitely makes life harder for applicants. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From bynari at gmail.com Wed Feb 20 16:23:46 2013 From: bynari at gmail.com (Jeff Parsons) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 00:23:46 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Local Perl job In-Reply-To: References: <5123AFC7.40102@gmail.com> <5123CDD3.2060205@gmail.com> Message-ID: <51256912.7020104@gmail.com> On 20/02/2013 17:38, Aaron Crane wrote: > I'm no expert, but I think your expectation of ?80k/year is a little > high. The highest rate I've seen quoted for full-time, salaried Perl > positions in London is ?70k + bonus. To be honest, my guess is that > there are very few developer jobs advertised in Scotland for which the > successful candidate gets a salary in the ?80k+ range. > > I completely agree with you on job adverts that don't include an > indication of expected salary, though. I can kind of see why some > companies do that, but it definitely makes life harder for applicants. > That's unfortunate there's not that many high paying jobs in Scotland. You can get that in London, yeah, but living expenses are so high there. A decent 2 bedroom apartment is ?4k/mo there, so even ?70k/year there isn't great. I make over ?80k/year just now, but I'm a CTO for a company in the states. It's a practical CTO role though, I do the development myself. Traditional CTO roles with no development aren't quite as much fun. I like the small, high profit companies where you have a good mix of business/dev. There's a lot more money/investment in the states though. The company I'm working with has an investment firm behind them which is why they can pay a lot. It'd be nice to see Scotland's economy grow though with more top jobs available. I think the companies that don't display the salary are looking to try and get people in on the cheap. A few years ago I applied for a job in Bristol that had "salary: negotiable". On the phone they said ?40k, so I went down for the Interview and they offered me ?20k, saying I was "too young" for ?40k. (I was 23). A lot of companies just think programmers are like factory workers, but they end up costing themselves sooo much. It's nothing for a decent company to pay ?80k/year for a good developer and then have that software working properly and making them millions. Anyway, IMO you can never set your expectations too high. You're worth what you think you're worth. If you want ?100k, then set out to get it and you will. There's a *lot* of money out there and a *LOT* of very rich companies who have absolutely no clue about tech and are struggling with crappy freelancers. The company I'm working with just now was absolutely lost tech-wise, so they're happy to pay whatever to get the job done. To get the good jobs you really have to just network more with business in mind. It's so shocking how in-demand tech really is. All the companies who actually advertise for Perl developers are not the ones that are really in the most need. The ones in need are the heavily business-focused ones who just have "problem X, Y, Z" to solve and don't know more than that. There's guys in the states, especially in the marketing world making ?80k per DAY never mind year. :-) The programming for them is the difference between ?80k/day and ?80/day :-) So you do the math there and you can see why you can command really whatever salary you want when you find the right folks. I'm sure a lot of you guys are amazing programmers, better than me, so don't sell yourselves short, the money is out there if you ask for it! :) From cyocum at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 02:21:46 2013 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 10:21:46 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Tonight? Message-ID: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> Hi Guys, It's the third Thursday. I was planning on going to the cumberland tonight. Who's with me? Chris -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 230 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 03:56:15 2013 From: wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com (Wim Vanderbauwhede) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 11:56:15 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Tonight? In-Reply-To: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> References: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was planning to go too. Wim On 21 February 2013 10:21, Chris Yocum wrote: > Hi Guys, > > It's the third Thursday. I was planning on going to the cumberland > tonight. Who's with me? > > Chris > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -- If it's pointless, what's the point? If there is a point to it, what's the point? (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perl at minty.org Thu Feb 21 04:09:09 2013 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:09:09 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Tonight? In-Reply-To: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> References: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130221120909.GU761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:21:46AM +0000, Chris Yocum wrote: > It's the third Thursday. I was planning on going to the cumberland > tonight. Who's with me? I believe the "regular" meeting is the 4th Thurs http://edinburgh.pm.org/ Sorry, won't be able to make it tonight :) From cyocum at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 04:15:37 2013 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 12:15:37 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Tonight? In-Reply-To: <20130221120909.GU761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> <20130221120909.GU761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: <20130221121536.GG16898@gmail.com> Oh, whoops. My bad! Stand down everyone :P Chris On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 12:09:09PM +0000, Murray wrote: > On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 10:21:46AM +0000, Chris Yocum wrote: > > It's the third Thursday. I was planning on going to the cumberland > > tonight. Who's with me? > > I believe the "regular" meeting is the 4th Thurs > > http://edinburgh.pm.org/ > > Sorry, won't be able to make it tonight :) -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Who's with me? > > > > I believe the "regular" meeting is the 4th Thurs > > > > http://edinburgh.pm.org/ > > > > Sorry, won't be able to make it tonight :) > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -- If it's pointless, what's the point? If there is a point to it, what's the point? (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Thu Feb 21 08:33:28 2013 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:33:28 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Tonight? In-Reply-To: References: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> <20130221120909.GU761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <20130221121536.GG16898@gmail.com> Message-ID: Wim Vanderbauwhede wrote: > So, just making sure, no meeting tonight? Not sure I can make next week. Right, no meeting tonight. Sorry to disappoint. ;-) -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From cyocum at gmail.com Thu Feb 21 08:52:01 2013 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Thu, 21 Feb 2013 16:52:01 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Tonight? In-Reply-To: References: <20130221102145.GC16898@gmail.com> <20130221120909.GU761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <20130221121536.GG16898@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20130221165200.GE19954@gmail.com> Apologies all around. I jumped the gun. Unfortunately, I will be with people even more insufferable than myself in France next week. All the best, Chris On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 04:33:28PM +0000, Aaron Crane wrote: > Wim Vanderbauwhede wrote: > > So, just making sure, no meeting tonight? Not sure I can make next week. > > Right, no meeting tonight. Sorry to disappoint. ;-) > > -- > Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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A On 27 February 2013 10:54, Murray wrote: > tis the 4th thursday tomorrow ... > > I'm not going to be able to make it -- sorry. > > There currently is no table booked. > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Wed Feb 27 09:10:15 2013 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:10:15 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs In-Reply-To: <20130227105448.GD761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20130227105448.GD761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: Murray wrote: > tis the 4th thursday tomorrow ... > > I'm not going to be able to make it -- sorry. I should be able to make it, but I'm doing some sums on how many regulars have already said they won't be there, and it leaves a pretty small number. Given that, my assumption for now is that we won't manage a meeting this month. So if anyone's thinking about coming, even as a "maybe", get in touch soon, I guess. :-) -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From miles at assyrian.org.uk Wed Feb 27 09:13:52 2013 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:13:52 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs In-Reply-To: References: <20130227105448.GD761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: <512E3ED0.8040303@assyrian.org.uk> On 27/02/13 17:10, Aaron Crane wrote: > I should be able to make it, but I'm doing some sums on how many > regulars have already said they won't be there, and it leaves a pretty > small number. Given that, my assumption for now is that we won't > manage a meeting this month. So if anyone's thinking about coming, > even as a "maybe", get in touch soon, I guess. :-) I can make it! Miles From edwin.brady at gmail.com Wed Feb 27 09:37:31 2013 From: edwin.brady at gmail.com (Edwin Brady) Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2013 17:37:31 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs In-Reply-To: <512E3ED0.8040303@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20130227105448.GD761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <512E3ED0.8040303@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: I was planning to come. I am planning the escape The Bubble for the evening anyway, so whether I do that in Edinburgh or elsewhere depends on if anyone else is there, I suppose... Edwin. On 27 Feb 2013, at 17:13, Miles Gould wrote: > On 27/02/13 17:10, Aaron Crane wrote: >> I should be able to make it, but I'm doing some sums on how many >> regulars have already said they won't be there, and it leaves a pretty >> small number. Given that, my assumption for now is that we won't >> manage a meeting this month. So if anyone's thinking about coming, >> even as a "maybe", get in touch soon, I guess. :-) > > I can make it! > > Miles > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Thu Feb 28 04:34:25 2013 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 12:34:25 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs In-Reply-To: References: <20130227105448.GD761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <512E3ED0.8040303@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: Edwin Brady wrote: > I was planning to come. I am planning the escape The Bubble for the evening anyway, so whether I do that in Edinburgh or elsewhere depends on if anyone else is there, I suppose... Well, sounds like there's at least three of us planning to come tonight. I've booked a table for four in my name at the Cumberland from 6:30. See you soon. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From stephen at jadevine.org.uk Thu Feb 28 05:45:20 2013 From: stephen at jadevine.org.uk (Stephen Quinney) Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 13:45:20 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thurs In-Reply-To: References: <20130227105448.GD761@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> <512E3ED0.8040303@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: I'm going climbing first but planning to be there a bit later on. Stephen On 28 February 2013 12:34, Aaron Crane wrote: > Edwin Brady wrote: >> I was planning to come. I am planning the escape The Bubble for the evening anyway, so whether I do that in Edinburgh or elsewhere depends on if anyone else is there, I suppose... > > Well, sounds like there's at least three of us planning to come tonight. > > I've booked a table for four in my name at the Cumberland from 6:30. > > See you soon. > > -- > Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm