From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Fri Jun  1 06:38:04 2012
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 14:38:04 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Coming to Edinburgh
In-Reply-To: <20120531131159.GF22594@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
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Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> I also like http://www.edinburghpubguide.co.uk/PubDetails/Bailie_Bar_40.html
> which is vaugely in the same area. ?Tho I'm always happy with the Cumberland
> too.

I don't think I've been to the Bailie, but always happy to try a new place.

I'm fine with the Cumberland if that's the consensus, but since nobody
seems to be speaking against the Bailie, shall we just go with that?
Say, 6.00 or 6.30 on Wednesday?

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From dave at dave.org.uk  Fri Jun  1 07:05:26 2012
From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross)
Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 15:05:26 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Coming to Edinburgh
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Quoting Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk>:

> Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>> I also like http://www.edinburghpubguide.co.uk/PubDetails/Bailie_Bar_40.html
>> which is vaugely in the same area. ?Tho I'm always happy with the Cumberland
>> too.
>
> I don't think I've been to the Bailie, but always happy to try a new place.
>
> I'm fine with the Cumberland if that's the consensus, but since nobody
> seems to be speaking against the Bailie, shall we just go with that?
> Say, 6.00 or 6.30 on Wednesday?

Very happy to call that the plan.

Dave...

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Wed Jun  6 03:01:08 2012
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 11:01:08 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tonight
Message-ID: <CACmk_tsoZgxp3ZPK7x9JRP+a+kEac=Rtb7p4SMQSQmEN5W10jg@mail.gmail.com>

Just a reminder: the plan is to meet Dave Cross at the Bailie Bar in
Stockbridge tonight, from about 6pm or 6.30.

http://www.thebailiebar.co.uk/

See you all there!

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From perl at minty.org  Wed Jun  6 10:32:09 2012
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 18:32:09 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tonight
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On Wed, Jun 06, 2012 at 11:01:08AM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
> See you all there!

On way, albeit for a brief/quick pint only ....

From cyocum at gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 09:18:50 2012
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:18:50 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Dumb regex question
Message-ID: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com>

Hi Guys,

Ok, I need to find all words that have a lower case letter followed by
an upper case one.  I cannot seem to get it to work.  Here is my
attempt.  Note that this must be in Unicode because I have data with
accent marks in it.

my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");

foreach my $word (@words) {
        if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}(?=\p{IsUpper})/) {
                 print "$word\n";
        }
}

The only word here that should be matched is "ca?nConchobor" and words
like it.  Right now the regex matches all the words which isn't what I
was expecting.

Thanks,
Chris
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From anthony.randell at gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 09:36:14 2012
From: anthony.randell at gmail.com (Anthony Randell)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:36:14 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Dumb regex question
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References: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com>
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Odd - running this on strawberry perl 5.12 it works fine.

I just get ca?nConchobor.  What version are you using?



On 15 June 2012 17:18, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Ok, I need to find all words that have a lower case letter followed by
> an upper case one. ?I cannot seem to get it to work. ?Here is my
> attempt. ?Note that this must be in Unicode because I have data with
> accent marks in it.
>
> my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
>
> foreach my $word (@words) {
> ? ? ? ?if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}(?=\p{IsUpper})/) {
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? print "$word\n";
> ? ? ? ?}
> }
>
> The only word here that should be matched is "ca?nConchobor" and words
> like it. ?Right now the regex matches all the words which isn't what I
> was expecting.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm

From cyocum at gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 09:39:29 2012
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:39:29 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Dumb regex question
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References: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:36:14PM +0100, Anthony Randell wrote:
> Odd - running this on strawberry perl 5.12 it works fine.
> 
> I just get ca?nConchobor.  What version are you using?
> 

Huh, :(.  I am using 5.14.2 on XUbuntu 12.04.

Chris

> 
> 
> On 15 June 2012 17:18, Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Ok, I need to find all words that have a lower case letter followed by
> > an upper case one. ?I cannot seem to get it to work. ?Here is my
> > attempt. ?Note that this must be in Unicode because I have data with
> > accent marks in it.
> >
> > my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
> >
> > foreach my $word (@words) {
> > ? ? ? ?if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}(?=\p{IsUpper})/) {
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? print "$word\n";
> > ? ? ? ?}
> > }
> >
> > The only word here that should be matched is "ca?nConchobor" and words
> > like it. ?Right now the regex matches all the words which isn't what I
> > was expecting.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Chris
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Fri Jun 15 09:43:28 2012
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:43:28 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Dumb regex question
In-Reply-To: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com>
References: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4FDB6630.10801@assyrian.org.uk>

On 15/06/12 17:18, Chris Yocum wrote:
> my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
>
> foreach my $word (@words) {
>          if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}(?=\p{IsUpper})/) {
>                   print "$word\n";
>          }
> }

First off, the lookahead assertion isn't doing anything, so let's 
simplify the regex.


#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");

foreach my $word (@words) {
         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
                  print "$word\n";
         }
}

d?ne
l?echreraig
ca?nConchobor


OK, bug verified (this is all on perl 5.10.1, by the way). Now let's see 
what's actually matching:


#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;

my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");

foreach my $word (@words) {
         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
                  print "$word: $&\n";
         }
}

d?ne: d
l?echreraig: l
ca?nConchobor: a


In each case, it's the letter before the accented character, and *not* 
the accented character itself. Maybe it doesn't realise that the 
multibyte sequence should be treated as one character? Let's turn on the 
utf8 pragma so Perl knows our source code is in UTF-8:


#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;
use utf8;

my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");

foreach my $word (@words) {
         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
                  print "$word: $&\n";
         }
}

ca?nConchobor: nC


Success! Almost. Now we're outputting the result with the wrong 
encoding, for reasons that someone else will hopefully be able to explain.


#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;
use warnings;
use utf8;
use Encode;

my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");

foreach my $word (@words) {
         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
                  print encode('utf8', "$word\n");
         }
}

ca?nConchobor


Wincore!

HTH,
Miles

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Fri Jun 15 09:45:33 2012
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:45:33 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Dumb regex question
In-Reply-To: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com>
References: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com>
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Chris Yocum <cyocum at gmail.com> wrote:
> my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");

Are you sure that Perl is seeing the strings you think it's seeing?
Try adding `use re "debug"` to get more insight into what's going on;
my guess is that you need `use utf8` (or the binmode equivalent if
these strings come from a file) to get the behaviour you want.  Since
your program doesn't say what encoding it's in, Perl assumes Latin-1
(for backwards compatibility).

In particular, "?" is 0xC3 0xA1 in UTF-8, but those bytes also form
the Latin-1 representation of U+00C3 U+00A1 "??", so Perl is probably
seeing "l??chreraig" for $words[1] ? which does indeed contain a
lower-case letter immediately followed by an upper-case.  A similar
argument applies to "?".

> Note that this must be in Unicode because I have data with
> accent marks in it.

Well, it's certainly possible to represent contemporary Irish
orthography in Latin-1 ? no Unicode needed there.  But I agree that
Unicode is desirable nonetheless.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From cyocum at gmail.com  Fri Jun 15 09:50:23 2012
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 17:50:23 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Dumb regex question
In-Reply-To: <4FDB6630.10801@assyrian.org.uk>
References: <20120615161849.GA5439@gmail.com> <4FDB6630.10801@assyrian.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20120615165022.GC5439@gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 05:43:28PM +0100, Miles Gould wrote:
> On 15/06/12 17:18, Chris Yocum wrote:
> >my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
> >
> >foreach my $word (@words) {
> >         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}(?=\p{IsUpper})/) {
> >                  print "$word\n";
> >         }
> >}
> 
> First off, the lookahead assertion isn't doing anything, so let's
> simplify the regex.
> 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> 
> my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
> 
> foreach my $word (@words) {
>         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
>                  print "$word\n";
>         }
> }
> 
> d?ne
> l?echreraig
> ca?nConchobor
> 

That's the regex I originally started with.  After some Google'ing, I
thought that the one I sent was the one I needed.

> 
> OK, bug verified (this is all on perl 5.10.1, by the way). Now let's
> see what's actually matching:
> 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> 
> my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
> 
> foreach my $word (@words) {
>         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
>                  print "$word: $&\n";
>         }
> }
> 
> d?ne: d
> l?echreraig: l
> ca?nConchobor: a
> 
> 
> In each case, it's the letter before the accented character, and
> *not* the accented character itself. Maybe it doesn't realise that
> the multibyte sequence should be treated as one character? Let's
> turn on the utf8 pragma so Perl knows our source code is in UTF-8:
> 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use utf8;
> 
> my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
> 
> foreach my $word (@words) {
>         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
>                  print "$word: $&\n";
>         }
> }
> 
> ca?nConchobor: nC
> 
> 
> Success! Almost. Now we're outputting the result with the wrong
> encoding, for reasons that someone else will hopefully be able to
> explain.
> 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use utf8;
> use Encode;
> 
> my @words = ("d?ne", "l?echreraig", "ca?nConchobor");
> 
> foreach my $word (@words) {
>         if($word =~ m/\p{IsLower}\p{IsUpper}/) {
>                  print encode('utf8', "$word\n");
>         }
> }
> 
> ca?nConchobor
> 
> 
> Wincore!

w00t!  Thanks!!
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From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Tue Jun 19 03:49:31 2012
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 11:49:31 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
 Web site needs updating?
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Some time ago, I wrote:
> Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>> On the basis that any significant decisions would be handled via doodle poll or
>> similar, I'm happy to handle the admin behind it.
>
> Thanks very much for volunteering. ?Pretty much anyone who's willing
> to do the work gets my vote. :-)

Well, I don't think anyone has objected to Murray taking over
responsibility for things, so I'd like to propose that he be our
Fearless Leader from now on (or until he gets bored, at least :-)

Rory, I take it you can give Murray any details he needs for the
website and so on.  And thanks again for the work you've done!

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From robrwo at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 04:05:15 2012
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:05:15 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
 Web site needs updating?
In-Reply-To: <CACmk_tt+VHd=WXJx36usDJUi_skXC3z2MbT=LsS8dhMkLyPV5A@mail.gmail.com>
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On 19/06/12 11:49 Aaron Crane wrote:
> Some time ago, I wrote:
>> Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
>>> On the basis that any significant decisions would be handled via doodle poll or
>>> similar, I'm happy to handle the admin behind it.
>>
>> Thanks very much for volunteering.  Pretty much anyone who's willing
>> to do the work gets my vote. :-)
> 
> Well, I don't think anyone has objected to Murray taking over
> responsibility for things, so I'd like to propose that he be our
> Fearless Leader from now on (or until he gets bored, at least :-)

I'm happy with Murray taking over if he is.



From perl at minty.org  Tue Jun 19 04:31:57 2012
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:31:57 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
 Web site needs updating?
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On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:05:15PM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> I'm happy with Murray taking over if he is.

Mwah-haha-haha-ha ... [evil grin]

;)

From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 04:42:20 2012
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:42:20 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
 Web site needs updating?
In-Reply-To: <20120619113151.GR22594@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>
References: <CACkHq4t_vBR_2Miosbu7r5p6K9GXeAZYT2RQmG+c1h7SVH5KKA@mail.gmail.com>
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me too, as he knows more about websites than I do.
--
Andrew

On 19 June 2012 12:31, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:05:15PM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
> > I'm happy with Murray taking over if he is.
>
> Mwah-haha-haha-ha ... [evil grin]
>
> ;)
> _______________________________________________
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> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
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From anthony.randell at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 04:42:26 2012
From: anthony.randell at gmail.com (Anthony Randell)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 12:42:26 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
 Web site needs updating?
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Seconded thanks to Rory - all the best!

From robrwo at gmail.com  Tue Jun 19 05:15:33 2012
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 13:15:33 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
 Web site needs updating?
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On 19/06/12 12:42 Anthony Randell wrote:
> Seconded thanks to Rory - all the best!

Yes, thanks again to Rory!

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Jun 19 06:25:49 2012
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 19 Jun 2012 14:25:49 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
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On 19/06/12 11:49, Aaron Crane wrote:
> Well, I don't think anyone has objected to Murray taking over
> responsibility for things, so I'd like to propose that he be our
> Fearless Leader from now on (or until he gets bored, at least :-)

I for one welcome our new fearless overlord.

>  Rory... thanks again for the work you've done!

+1!

Miles

From rory.macdonald at gmail.com  Wed Jun 20 13:36:21 2012
From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald)
Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2012 21:36:21 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] New admin rqd for Edinburgh PM site - was Re:
 Web site needs updating?
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On 19 June 2012 12:31, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 19, 2012 at 12:05:15PM +0100, Robert Rothenberg wrote:
>> I'm happy with Murray taking over if he is.
>
> Mwah-haha-haha-ha ... [evil grin]
>
> ;)

Excellent - I'll dig out various (dusty) credentials for you Murray
when I get back to UK this weekend.

Rory

From perl at minty.org  Tue Jun 26 11:06:41 2012
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 19:06:41 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
Message-ID: <20120626180641.GO27541@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk>

I've booked a table at the Cumberland for 6.30 under my name.

Anyone else coming along?

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Jun 26 15:31:28 2012
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 23:31:28 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On 26/06/12 19:06, Murray wrote:
> I've booked a table at the Cumberland for 6.30 under my name.

I'm planning to be in Edinburgh that day, but it'll depend on how well 
I'm getting on with my various projects. I'll try to make it along for a 
bit.

Miles

PS I've read various people on the Internet claiming that writing a 
compiler is barely harder than writing an interpreter. These people are, 
quite categorically, full of shit.

From edwin.brady at gmail.com  Tue Jun 26 15:36:08 2012
From: edwin.brady at gmail.com (Edwin Brady)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 00:36:08 +0200
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On 27 Jun 2012, at 00:31, Miles Gould wrote:

> On 26/06/12 19:06, Murray wrote:
>> I've booked a table at the Cumberland for 6.30 under my name.
> 
> I'm planning to be in Edinburgh that day, but it'll depend on how well I'm getting on with my various projects. I'll try to make it along for a bit.

I'm flying back from Foreignistan to Edinburgh on Thursday, so I may consider hanging about for a couple of hours and joining in.

> PS I've read various people on the Internet claiming that writing a compiler is barely harder than writing an interpreter. These people are, quite categorically, full of shit.

My experience has been that you can make it barely harder than writing an interpreter as long as you already know how to write a compiler and have most of a compiler already handy. So, yes, I agree, but I'm willing to rant more on the topic in the pub if you and I both make it :).

Edwin.


From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Wed Jun 27 01:56:21 2012
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:56:21 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On 26/06/12 23:36, Edwin Brady wrote:

>> PS I've read various people on the Internet claiming that writing a
>> compiler is barely harder than writing an interpreter. These people
>> are, quite categorically, full of shit.
>
> My experience has been that you can make it barely harder than
> writing an interpreter as long as you already know how to write a
> compiler and have most of a compiler already handy. So, yes, I
> agree, but I'm willing to rant more on the topic in the pub if you
> and I both make it :).

Writing one from scratch, on the other hand... :-)

Miles



From cyocum at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 02:10:02 2012
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:10:02 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 07:06:41PM +0100, Murray wrote:
> I've booked a table at the Cumberland for 6.30 under my name.
> 
> Anyone else coming along?

I should be there.

Chris

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Wed Jun 27 03:39:39 2012
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:39:39 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> I've booked a table at the Cumberland for 6.30 under my name.
>
> Anyone else coming along?

I'll be there, and I look forward to the compiler-writing chat. :-)

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From stephen at jadevine.org.uk  Wed Jun 27 03:41:17 2012
From: stephen at jadevine.org.uk (Stephen Quinney)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:41:17 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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I'll be there later on in the evening (9ish).

Stephen


On 26 June 2012 19:06, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> I've booked a table at the Cumberland for 6.30 under my name.
>
> Anyone else coming along?
> _______________________________________________
> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm

From cyocum at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 03:56:32 2012
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 11:56:32 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 11:39:39AM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
> Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:
> > I've booked a table at the Cumberland for 6.30 under my name.
> >
> > Anyone else coming along?
> 
> I'll be there, and I look forward to the compiler-writing chat. :-)

So am I as I am kind of writing a grammar to turn into a compiler (at
some point, blah blah)

Chris

> 
> -- 
> Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/
> _______________________________________________
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Wed Jun 27 07:22:59 2012
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:22:59 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On 27/06/12 11:56, Chris Yocum wrote:
>> I'll be there, and I look forward to the compiler-writing chat. :-)
>
> So am I as I am kind of writing a grammar to turn into a compiler (at
> some point, blah blah)

Did I mention that the front end is the easy bit? :-)

http://imgur.com/V39tJ

Miles

From perl at minty.org  Wed Jun 27 07:49:14 2012
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:49:14 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:22:59PM +0100, Miles Gould wrote:
> On 27/06/12 11:56, Chris Yocum wrote:
> >>I'll be there, and I look forward to the compiler-writing chat. :-)
> >
> >So am I as I am kind of writing a grammar to turn into a compiler (at
> >some point, blah blah)
> 
> Did I mention that the front end is the easy bit? :-)

All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection,
right?

Have you considered writing a game, that in turn lets game-players write the
compiler?

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/09/18/computer-gamers-solve-problem-in-aids-research-that-puzzled-scientists-for-years/

From cyocum at gmail.com  Wed Jun 27 07:55:38 2012
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:55:38 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday!
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:49:14PM +0100, Murray wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 03:22:59PM +0100, Miles Gould wrote:
> > On 27/06/12 11:56, Chris Yocum wrote:
> > >>I'll be there, and I look forward to the compiler-writing chat. :-)
> > >
> > >So am I as I am kind of writing a grammar to turn into a compiler (at
> > >some point, blah blah)
> > 
> > Did I mention that the front end is the easy bit? :-)

No, but given the fact that I am getting pretty far pretty fast gives
one a clue as to where the hard parts are.  If I can do it, it has to
be easy.

> 
> All problems in computer science can be solved by another level of indirection,
> right?
> 
> Have you considered writing a game, that in turn lets game-players write the
> compiler?
> 
> http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/09/18/computer-gamers-solve-problem-in-aids-research-that-puzzled-scientists-for-years/

Heheh. Just get the "cloud" to do it: http://xkcd.com/1060/

Chris