From fontani at gmail.com Tue Apr 5 14:21:06 2011 From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 22:21:06 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Call for Talks Message-ID: Hi all, It's that time of the month again, and the Glasgow Perl Mongers will meet again on Thursday 2011-04-14. As usual, please drop a line if you intend to bring a technical talk to the meeting; I think Paul said he may be bringing something. I should be able to bring a talk as well, I will let you know in the upcoming days (I'm just back from a quick holiday). Looking forward to seeing you all soon, Marco Fontani Glasgow Perl Mongers - http://glasgow.pm.org/ Join the RackSpace Cloud at: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/277.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fontani at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 01:59:25 2011 From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2011 09:59:25 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Call for Talks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: > As usual, please drop a line if you intend to bring a technical talk to the > meeting It looks like we had no volunteers for this session; the meeting is therefore cancelled and I guess we will see each other at the Edinburgh social meeting. There are a number of talks scheduled for next month though, so I look forward to seeing you all then. Regards, -marco- -- Marco Fontani Glasgow Perl Mongers - http://glasgow.pm.org/ Join the RackSpace Cloud at: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/277.html From dave at dave.org.uk Sun Apr 17 03:26:57 2011 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 11:26:57 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Ahoy! Message-ID: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> Hey chaps, I'm going to be in Edinburgh for a week in the not too distant future. So I wondered if you fancied a beer or three in the Cumberland. I'll be around from Friday 27th May to Thursday 2nd June. So something around Tues/Wed (31st/1st) would be good. How does that sound? Also, I'd like to abuse your local knowledge. Since I first read about it in the early 80s[1] I've fancied a visit to Rosslyn Chapel and on my many trips to Edinburgh I've never got round to it. I know there are many tourist trips from Edinburgh, but we're a little wary of those and would rather get there on public transport if that's at all possible. Any advice you could give would be much appreciated. Cheers, Dave... [1] Long before Dan Brown had heard of it. From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Sun Apr 17 04:33:57 2011 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 12:33:57 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Ahoy! In-Reply-To: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> References: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: Dave Cross wrote: > So I wondered if you fancied a beer or three in the Cumberland. > I'll be around from Friday 27th May to Thursday 2nd June. So something > around Tues/Wed (31st/1st) would be good. How does that sound? Either of those dates works for me. > Also, I'd like to abuse your local knowledge. Since I first read about it in > the early 80s[1] I've fancied a visit to Rosslyn Chapel and on my many trips > to Edinburgh I've never got round to it. I know there are many tourist trips > from Edinburgh, but we're a little wary of those and would rather get there > on public transport if that's at all possible. The number 15 bus goes to Roslin village and stops a couple of minutes' walk away from the chapel itself: http://www.lothianbuses.com/service-number/15.html I don't know what the tourist trips to Rosslyn are like, but if the city bus tours are any indication, there's a reasonable chance they're OK. Unless they've all been overrun by people cashing in on Dan Brown's popularity, I suppose. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From metazool at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 05:09:52 2011 From: metazool at gmail.com (Jo Walsh) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2011 13:09:52 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Ahoy! In-Reply-To: References: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: It's too long since I've been a proper perlmonger but would make it out on the promise of seeing you, Dave! On 17 Apr 2011 12:34, "Aaron Crane" wrote: Dave Cross wrote: > So I wondered if you fancied a beer or three in the Cumberlan... Either of those dates works for me. > Also, I'd like to abuse your local knowledge. Since I first read about it in > the early 80s[1] I... The number 15 bus goes to Roslin village and stops a couple of minutes' walk away from the chapel itself: http://www.lothianbuses.com/service-number/15.html I don't know what the tourist trips to Rosslyn are like, but if the city bus tours are any indication, there's a reasonable chance they're OK. Unless they've all been overrun by people cashing in on Dan Brown's popularity, I suppose. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ Edinburgh-pm mailing list Edinburgh-pm at pm.org http:/... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robrwo at gmail.com Sun Apr 17 21:22:53 2011 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 00:22:53 -0400 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Ahoy! In-Reply-To: References: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <4DABBC9D.2000203@gmail.com> On 17/04/11 07:33 Aaron Crane wrote: >> Also, I'd like to abuse your local knowledge. Since I first read about it in >> the early 80s[1] I've fancied a visit to Rosslyn Chapel and on my many trips >> to Edinburgh I've never got round to it. I know there are many tourist trips >> from Edinburgh, but we're a little wary of those and would rather get there >> on public transport if that's at all possible. > > The number 15 bus goes to Roslin village and stops a couple of > minutes' walk away from the chapel itself: > > http://www.lothianbuses.com/service-number/15.html > > I don't know what the tourist trips to Rosslyn are like, but if the > city bus tours are any indication, there's a reasonable chance they're > OK. Unless they've all been overrun by people cashing in on Dan > Brown's popularity, I suppose. Roslin Chapel is worth seeing, though I'd avoid the tours. Better to read up on it ahead of time, get a guide book and explore it quietly on your own. But also take time to explore the park in the vicinity. The Roslin Hotel pub is pretty good too. From perl at minty.org Mon Apr 18 00:33:35 2011 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2011 08:33:35 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Ahoy! In-Reply-To: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> References: <4DAAC071.4010202@dave.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110418073334.GP23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 11:26:57AM +0100, Dave Cross wrote: > I'll be around from Friday 27th May to Thursday 2nd June. So > something around Tues/Wed (31st/1st) would be good. How does that > sound? Tue/Wed suit me best too fwiw > Also, I'd like to abuse your local knowledge. Since I first read > about it in the early 80s[1] I've fancied a visit to Rosslyn Chapel > and on my many trips to Edinburgh I've never got round to it. I know > there are many tourist trips from Edinburgh, but we're a little wary > of those and would rather get there on public transport if that's at > all possible. Any advice you could give would be much appreciated. Like Aaron said, 15 is your best bet, but not 15A. If you don't mind a short walk (~1mile), there is also the 37/47 routes http://www.lothianbuses.com/service-number/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=621 http://www.lothianbuses.com/images/stories/pdf_downloads/service_timetables/r37.pdf The day ticket (?3.20) is worth it if you're taking 3+ buses. You don't get free transfers on Lothian buses. Based on my rough calculations, assuming Tariff 2, a taxi from the Cumberland bar to Roslin would cost ~?15-20. Afaik, marketing aside, the black cabs are no more expensive than the private hire ones. From miles at assyrian.org.uk Tue Apr 26 04:20:14 2011 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:20:14 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Fwd: Andrew Black Seminar, Thur 28th April, 10:30am, G.03 In-Reply-To: <4DB6A9EB.2030201@inf.ed.ac.uk> References: <4DB6A9EB.2030201@inf.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Hi all, One of the authors of Algol 60 will be giving a talk in the Informatics Forum on Thursday morning about his new teaching language Grace. I'm going to try to go... Miles. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Miles Gould Date: Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 12:18 PM Subject: Fwd: Andrew Black Seminar, Thur 28th April, 10:30am, G.03 To: miles.gould at gmail.com -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Andrew Black Seminar, Thur 28th April, 10:30am, G.03 Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:44:46 +0100 From: Sarah Reay Organisation: The University of Edinburgh To: lfcs-members at inf.ed.ac.uk, seminars at inf.ed.ac.uk, lfcs-interest at inf.ed.ac.uk Dear All, I am pleased to announce this seminar from Prof Andrew Black, not to be confused with the LFCS Seminar he will be giving earlier in the week. Thursday 28th April 10:30am-12:00pm Informatics Forum Room G.03 "Grace: a New educational O-O programming language" Speaker: Professor Andrew P Black Abstract: We are engaged in the design of a new Object-oriented educational programming language called Grace. Our motivation is frustration with available languages, none of which seems to be suited to our target audience: students in the first two programming courses. What principles should we apply to help us design such a language? We started with a list of 17 "obviously good principles", aware that some of them would conflict with each other. What we didn't expect was that some of them would conflict with good learning. One of our principles was that the language should provide one "fairly clear way" to do most things. But suppose that an instructor wants to use Grace to compare two ways of doing something? How can one show students the superiority of one approach over another if the alternative approach cannot be expressed? And yet we can hardly fill our language with every miss-begotten language feature of the last 50 years, just so that we can explain to our students why it is better not to program that way! Prof Black will outline the principle features of Grace, list the open issues, and listen to your reactions while all of the choices are still on the table. For more information, see http://www.gracelang.org Biography Andrew Black is a Professor of Computer Science at Portland State University in Portland, Oregon. His first programming language was Algol 60, to which he attributes a life-long interest in language design. He is one of the designers of Emerald, the first object-oriented language with specific support for mobility, but admits to not really understanding object-orientation until he had to teach it, 12 years later, for which purpose he learned Smalltalk. Kind regards, Sarah -- Sarah Reay Support Office Secretary School of Informatics University of Edinburgh Informatics Forum 10 Crichton Street Edinburgh EH8 9AB The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in Scotland, with registration number SC005336. _______________________________________________ lfcs-interest mailing listlfcs-interest at inf.ed.ac.ukhttp://lists.inf.ed.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/lfcs-interest -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perl at minty.org Tue Apr 26 12:48:53 2011 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:48:53 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] A civil evening of beer and chat. Message-ID: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> I've booked a table in The Cumberland from ~6.30 on thursday (28th) for 7 people under my name. Anyone coming along? From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Tue Apr 26 14:01:16 2011 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:01:16 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Fwd: Andrew Black Seminar, Thur 28th April, 10:30am, G.03 In-Reply-To: References: <4DB6A9EB.2030201@inf.ed.ac.uk> Message-ID: Miles Gould wrote: > One of the authors of Algol 60 will be giving a talk in the Informatics Forum on Thursday morning about his new teaching language Grace. I'm going to try to go... Ooh, shiny. I'll try to come too. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Tue Apr 26 14:01:36 2011 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:01:36 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] A civil evening of beer and chat. In-Reply-To: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: Murray wrote: > Anyone coming along? I'll be there. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From fontani at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 14:03:01 2011 From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:03:01 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] A civil evening of beer and chat. In-Reply-To: References: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: >> Anyone coming along? Count me in :) -- Marco Fontani Glasgow Perl Mongers - http://glasgow.pm.org/ Join the RackSpace Cloud at: http://www.rackspacecloud.com/277.html From robrwo at gmail.com Tue Apr 26 14:16:36 2011 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 22:16:36 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] A civil evening of beer and chat. In-Reply-To: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: I've got a workshop to attend, so probably won't be there. On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:48 PM, Murray wrote: > I've booked a table in The Cumberland from ~6.30 on thursday (28th) for 7 > people under my name. > > Anyone coming along? From cyocum at gmail.com Wed Apr 27 02:12:13 2011 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 10:12:13 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] A civil evening of beer and chat. In-Reply-To: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: <4DB7DDED.5040200@gmail.com> I'm in. Tracey may be along as well. Chris On 26/04/11 20:48, Murray wrote: > I've booked a table in The Cumberland from ~6.30 on thursday (28th) for 7 > people under my name. > > Anyone coming along? > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Our motivation is frustration with available languages, none of which seems to be suited to our target audience: students in the first two programming courses. What principles should we apply to help us design such a language? We started with a list of 17 "obviously good principles", aware that some of them would conflict with each other. What we didn't expect was that some of them would conflict with good learning. One of our principles was that the language should provide one "fairly clear way" to do most things. But suppose that an instructor wants to use Grace to compare two ways of doing something? How can one show students the superiority of one approach over another if the alternative approach cannot be expressed? And yet we can hardly fill our language with every miss-begotten language feature of the last 50 years, just so that we can explain to our students why it is better not to program that way! Prof Black will outline the principle features of Grace, list the open issues, and listen to your reactions while all of the choices are still on the table. For more information, see http://www.gracelang.org Biography Andrew Black is a Professor of Computer Science at Portland State University in Portland, Oregon. His first programming language was Algol 60, to which he attributes a life-long interest in language design. He is one of the designers of Emerald, the first object-oriented language with specific support for mobility, but admits to not really understanding object-orientation until he had to teach it, 12 years later, for which purpose he learned Smalltalk. ------------------------------- Sounds like it could well be poorly-conceived vapourware, but I'm intrigued to hear what he has to say. Miles From anthony at randell.org Wed Apr 27 04:49:07 2011 From: anthony at randell.org (Anthony Randell) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2011 12:49:07 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] A civil evening of beer and chat. In-Reply-To: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> References: <20110426194851.GR23122@mooker.vm.bytemark.co.uk> Message-ID: Been a while, but not working so can actually make it. See you there... A On 26 April 2011 20:48, Murray wrote: > I've booked a table in The Cumberland from ~6.30 on thursday (28th) for 7 > people under my name. > > Anyone coming along? > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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