From miles at assyrian.org.uk Tue Feb 9 15:34:48 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 23:34:48 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] TechMeetup Message-ID: <20100209233448.F28092@assyrian.org.uk> Nick, Rob Rothenberg and I were thinking of going along to TechMeetup tomorrow (Wednesday) to pimp ourselves out to potential employers/clients, and maybe listen to a talk or two. Anyone else up for it? 6.30pm onwards, Appleton Tower, beer'n'pizza provided. More info here: http://techmeetup.co.uk/blog/2010/02/techmeetup-edinburgh-february/ Miles PS thanks to all of you who've forwarded job listings! -- I love mankind. It's people I can't stand. -- Linus From miles at assyrian.org.uk Mon Feb 15 09:55:27 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 17:55:27 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group Message-ID: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> Hi everyone, Does anyone know if there's a Python user group hereabouts? I'm trying to induce a friend to move to Edinburgh, and as he's a filthy snakehead^W^W Pythonista it would be nice to be able to tell him that there was one. If you see what I mean. Miles -- Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely. -- Lord Acton From andy at hexten.net Mon Feb 15 13:53:15 2010 From: andy at hexten.net (Andy Armstrong) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:53:15 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <8D24C5DD-3F4F-4224-998F-5B8EF71A317A@hexten.net> On 15 Feb 2010, at 17:55, Miles Gould wrote: > Does anyone know if there's a Python user group hereabouts? I'm trying > to induce a friend to move to Edinburgh, and as he's a filthy > snakehead^W^W Pythonista it would be nice to be able to tell him that > there was one. If you see what I mean. If there's not one maybe edinburgh.pm should open a Python chapter. I'm loving Python at the moment - which is a pleasure often denied to us by the narcissism of small differences. -- Andy Armstrong, Hexten From miles at assyrian.org.uk Mon Feb 15 15:06:37 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 23:06:37 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <8D24C5DD-3F4F-4224-998F-5B8EF71A317A@hexten.net>; from andy@hexten.net on Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:53:15PM +0000 References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <8D24C5DD-3F4F-4224-998F-5B8EF71A317A@hexten.net> Message-ID: <20100215230637.A27332@assyrian.org.uk> On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 09:53:15PM +0000, Andy Armstrong wrote: > If there's not one maybe edinburgh.pm should open a Python chapter. > I'm loving Python at the moment - which is a pleasure often denied to > us by the narcissism of small differences. No disagreement here! In any event, I've told my friend he'd be welcome to join us if he moves here. Miles -- Math is much too hard. We should fix that somehow. -- Micah McCurdy From robrwo at gmail.com Tue Feb 16 02:48:52 2010 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 10:48:52 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> Try asking on the Tech Meetup list. If nothing else, you might find python programmers willing to form a group. On 15/02/10 17:55 Miles Gould wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Does anyone know if there's a Python user group hereabouts? I'm trying > to induce a friend to move to Edinburgh, and as he's a filthy > snakehead^W^W Pythonista it would be nice to be able to tell him that > there was one. If you see what I mean. > > Miles > From miles at assyrian.org.uk Tue Feb 16 03:18:01 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:18:01 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com>; from robrwo@gmail.com on Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:48:52AM +0000 References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 10:48:52AM +0000, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > Try asking on the Tech Meetup list. If nothing else, you might find python > programmers willing to form a group. Good idea! *writes email* Off-topic: could this list's settings be altered so it's reply-to-list by default? Miles -- If you're scared to die you'd better not be scared to live. -- the Eels, "Friendly Ghost" From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Tue Feb 16 03:30:48 2010 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:30:48 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7A81E8.8090902@yahoo.co.uk> You might also try Refresh Edinburgh, which includes various web-tech types, including some Python users, I believe: http://refreshedinburgh.org/ Saying that, I suspect the overlap with Tech Meetup might be near 100%. N From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Tue Feb 16 08:27:35 2010 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 16:27:35 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: Miles Gould wrote: > Off-topic: could this list's settings be altered so it's reply-to-list > by default? Ah, the well-known trigger for a "reply-to-munging considered harmful" / "is not" / "is so" bun-fight! ;-) http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html (My own preference is for the list's current configuration: the consequences if you think you're speaking in private but are actually speaking in public have the potential to be much much worse than the other way round. But I won't whinge if the consensus is in favour of reply-to munging, and I'm not going to say anything else about this issue here.) -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From miles at assyrian.org.uk Tue Feb 16 09:00:00 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:00:00 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: ; from perl@aaroncrane.co.uk on Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 04:27:35PM +0000 References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 04:27:35PM +0000, Aaron Crane wrote: > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > http://www.metasystema.net/essays/reply-to.mhtml > http://woozle.org/~neale/papers/reply-to-still-harmful.html OK, I take the point about Reply-To munging and RFC 2822. I see that we are setting List-Post as recommended in your third link, which suggests that my mailing client is misconfigured. Of course, I only noticed this /after/ I'd written an angry rant about how we didn't set this header, and then noticed that I was replying to the copy of the message that had gone directly to me rather than to the list. I don't know if that confirms my point or not... > (My own preference is for the list's current configuration: the > consequences if you think you're speaking in private but are actually > speaking in public have the potential to be much much worse than the > other way round. But I won't whinge if the consensus is in favour of > reply-to munging, and I'm not going to say anything else about this > issue here.) Again, I take your point; but I think the best solution is for nobody to bitch about list members behind their backs ;) [I'd just like to say that yet a-fucking-gain, in the course of replying to your post, I hit r, saw "To: Aaron Crane", then had to go back, do reply-to-all, and edit the headers manually. Grrarghghrhg.] Miles -- When someone builds a machine that can really enjoy tripping, AI will truly be solved. I guess we could call that the Turing Acid Test. -- Joe Knapka, in comp.lang.functional From miles at assyrian.org.uk Tue Feb 16 09:24:18 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 17:24:18 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk>; from miles@assyrian.org.uk on Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 05:00:00PM +0000 References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100216172417.A3616@assyrian.org.uk> The copy of mutt installed on this machine (to which I don't have root access) dates from 2000, before RFC 2822! That explains a lot. Miles -- Due to increased dynamic range, raise volume above average. PLAY IT LOUD. -- Lou Reed From miles at assyrian.org.uk Wed Feb 17 01:25:40 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:25:40 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100216172417.A3616@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216172417.A3616@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100217092540.GA22666@assyrian.org.uk> On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 05:24:18PM +0000, Miles Gould wrote: > The copy of mutt installed on this machine (to which I don't have root > access) dates from 2000, before RFC 2822! Further searching reveals that there's also a more recent version of mutt installed, imaginatively called mutt1.5. This handles all the List-* headers properly. So, I'll never have to edit email headers again, and I've learned something about RFC2822 along the way. Hurrah! Miles -- BE ALOOF! (There has been a recent population explosion of lerts.) -- seen on Slashdot From perl at minty.org Wed Feb 17 01:53:44 2010 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:53:44 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100217092540.GA22666@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216172417.A3616@assyrian.org.uk> <20100217092540.GA22666@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100217095343.GF15375@minty.org> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 09:25:40AM +0000, Miles Gould wrote: > Further searching reveals that there's also a more recent version of > mutt installed, imaginatively called mutt1.5. This handles all the > List-* headers properly. Care to share your mutt configuration for this? Only because I find the mutt manual a bit hard to digest, in the sense that all the information is there but unless you grok 100% you're basically in an endless maze. My meatware ram chips are more Apple IIe than GoogleBrain, so most of the best muttrc magic I've picked up by copying others, often Aaron. In any event, this is what I have: alternates (perl|redacted)@minty.org|redacted at googlemail.com subscribe edinburgh-pm at pm.org another.list at example.com send-hook '.' 'my_hdr From: Murray ' send-hook '~l ~C edinburgh-pm' 'my_hdr From: Murray ' unset metoo This ensures my sending address is the one I want for the list, which isn't the same as my default/personal one. I need to hit 'g' to reply-all, which does cause everyone to get CC'd. I've heard views that cc'ing people on-list is bad form, so depending on how awake I am, I sometimes trim. I'm wondering if you have a magic "set the to line to be edinburgh.pm if ..." muttrc rule? Because I don't appear to have the magic to manipulate based on the List headers that you perhaps referred to? and while I'm here, just in case, this is worth it (via Aaron): # go faster stripes set header_cache=~/.mutt/header_cache/ If you don't have this, try it. Or at least read the docs. From struan at exo.org.uk Wed Feb 17 02:18:28 2010 From: struan at exo.org.uk (Struan Donald) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:18:28 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100217095343.GF15375@minty.org> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216172417.A3616@assyrian.org.uk> <20100217092540.GA22666@assyrian.org.uk> <20100217095343.GF15375@minty.org> Message-ID: <20100217101828.GA21944@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> * at 17/02 09:53 +0000 Murray said: > I'm wondering if you have a magic "set the to line to be edinburgh.pm if > ..." muttrc rule? Because I don't appear to have the magic to > manipulate based on the List headers that you perhaps referred to? I hit L to reply to lists which seems to pretty much just do the right thing without any configuration. This may be the only available in later versions of mutt magic that was mentioned. Struan From perl at minty.org Wed Feb 17 02:26:39 2010 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 10:26:39 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100217101828.GA21944@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216172417.A3616@assyrian.org.uk> <20100217092540.GA22666@assyrian.org.uk> <20100217095343.GF15375@minty.org> <20100217101828.GA21944@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100217102639.GH15375@minty.org> On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:18:28AM +0000, Struan Donald wrote: > I hit L to reply to lists snap. thanks. grr, muscle memory reprogramming. From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Wed Feb 17 03:12:46 2010 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:12:46 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group In-Reply-To: <20100217102639.GH15375@minty.org> References: <20100215175527.F2871@assyrian.org.uk> <4B7A7814.80906@gmail.com> <20100216111801.A11301@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216165959.A14185@assyrian.org.uk> <20100216172417.A3616@assyrian.org.uk> <20100217092540.GA22666@assyrian.org.uk> <20100217095343.GF15375@minty.org> <20100217101828.GA21944@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> <20100217102639.GH15375@minty.org> Message-ID: Murray wrote: > On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:18:28AM +0000, Struan Donald wrote: >> I hit L to reply to lists > > snap. ?thanks. > grr, muscle memory reprogramming. I think it's probably possible to avoid reprogramming your muscle memory for this, by making "r" mean "L" when you're looking at a message that has a List-Post: header: message-hook . 'bind pager r reply' message-hook '~h List-Post:' 'bind pager r list-reply' I'm not using Mutt at the moment, though, so that isn't tested. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From miles at assyrian.org.uk Thu Feb 18 02:48:59 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 10:48:59 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] CRUD frameworks Message-ID: <20100218104859.GB6016@assyrian.org.uk> Hi everyone, At the risk of being dangerously on-topic, what's the preferred way of writing simple web apps in Perl these days? I become CFT-enabled on Tuesday, and thought it might be fun to catch up on Modern Perl, enhance my coding portfolio, all that good stuff. [As well as climbing a lot, catching up on the last seven years of Sluggy Freelance, and definitely not moping about the flat feeling sorry for myself. No siree. Thank God I don't have a telly and so can't fall into a daytime TV hole.] Said app (which I shall tell you about next week, when I'll hopefully have made some progress on it) would initially be a fairly straightforward CRUD thing, but might well expand to something a bit more bespoke if we get any users. Miles -- Hmmm. Must remember to pack the larger of my two shrimping nets. -- Edmund, Lord Blackadder From perl at minty.org Thu Feb 18 04:05:23 2010 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:05:23 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] CRUD frameworks In-Reply-To: <20100218104859.GB6016@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100218104859.GB6016@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100218120523.GV15375@minty.org> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 10:48:59AM +0000, Miles Gould wrote: > At the risk of being dangerously on-topic, what's the preferred way of > writing simple web apps in Perl these days? To appease the on-topic gods, surely the answer would be: http://nodejs.org But for my money (and I have a bias towards crtical mass here) Catalyst DBIx::Class HTML::FormHandler HTML::FormHandler::Model::DBIC The *::Manual pod pages for each dist are the best starting place. And the *::Manual::Cookbook pod pages are typically really worth a read. I've also found that provided you've tried to rtfm, then the associated irc.perl.org channels are both informative, friendly and very helpful. Even vaugely noob friendly at times. Subject to all the usual social "norms" of irc, and asking the question according to the Book of Raymond, etc. #catalyst #dbix-class #formhandler Me, I'd start here: http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial::04_BasicCRUD http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial::09_AdvancedCRUD http://search.cpan.org/perldoc?Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial::09_AdvancedCRUD::09_FormHandler I will note that if all of these are new to you, then the grok'ing curve was for me a bit harsh at first. I personally found stepping through the Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial in order helpful. Although resisting the urge to jump ahead/around was hard. And if anyone can explain the chained actions concept in ways that make sense (to me), I'll buy you a beer. HTML::FormHandler::Model::DBIC in particular is the sort of thing that makes a sado like me go "squeeeee!" quite a lot when you see just how little code you need to write to get a complex form (a) rendered, (b) validated against some fairly decent list of Types and in/out of the database. I didn't find it obvious from the first glance, but after playing with it, it is sparse gold dust. There is also http://dev.catalystframework.org/wiki/crud none of which I've used, but look like they'd be worth a poke. There are a couple of threads mentioned that claim to discuss the various options. Final point: you'll want to track recent releases of all of these. Relying, for instance, on the shipping Debian/Ubuntu releases soon frustrates. From hakim.cassimally at gmail.com Thu Feb 18 04:12:14 2010 From: hakim.cassimally at gmail.com (Hakim Cassimally) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:12:14 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] CRUD frameworks In-Reply-To: <20100218104859.GB6016@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100218104859.GB6016@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <82cfa8031002180412g1c07f136h1d69d21a4e3e1d77@mail.gmail.com> On 18 February 2010 10:48, Miles Gould wrote: > Hi everyone, > > At the risk of being dangerously on-topic, what's the preferred way of > writing simple web apps in Perl these days? I become CFT-enabled on > Tuesday, and thought it might be fun to catch up on Modern Perl, > enhance my coding portfolio, all that good stuff. Catalyst is probably the answer (best mindshare, proven, active development). If you want something lightweight yet trendy, Dancer perhaps? (I think it has Plack backends and all that good stuff). Another option could be mst's Web::Simple, though I'm not sure if anyone is seriously using it in production, it has some clever stuff like sub (/page/**/edit) { ... } (without using Devel::Declare or any crazy parsing shit, i.e. in Pure Perl. Very clever :-) osfameron From miles at assyrian.org.uk Thu Feb 18 09:36:05 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 17:36:05 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] CRUD frameworks In-Reply-To: <82cfa8031002180412g1c07f136h1d69d21a4e3e1d77@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100218104859.GB6016@assyrian.org.uk> <82cfa8031002180412g1c07f136h1d69d21a4e3e1d77@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100218173603.GI6016@assyrian.org.uk> Thanks all! Catalyst looks like the way to go, though I think I should check out Web::Simple as well if time permits. Now, can I get a demo ready for next Thursday? :-) Miles -- The way to a man's heart is through his chest. -- Anon From perl at minty.org Thu Feb 18 10:42:28 2010 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 18:42:28 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] CRUD frameworks In-Reply-To: <20100218173603.GI6016@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20100218104859.GB6016@assyrian.org.uk> <82cfa8031002180412g1c07f136h1d69d21a4e3e1d77@mail.gmail.com> <20100218173603.GI6016@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20100218184228.GB15375@minty.org> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 05:36:05PM +0000, Miles Gould wrote: > Now, can I get a demo ready for next Thursday? :-) Ooooh! A talk! From asmith9983 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 04:23:01 2010 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:23:01 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meetings Message-ID: <1e11fb0e1002190423q3e571819xa70f5e6f7823cf50@mail.gmail.com> I've not been at a Perl Mongers Meeting for ages, although I've bumped into some members at one of the many other meetings I go to. I recall this commencing when the regular Guild Ford Arms 1st Wednesday of the month meetings stopped. This message was prompted by the recommendation of a fixed date to someone starting a new mongers group. Any reason we can't return to the 1st Wednesday ? We can make the core meet up time 19:15 - 19:45 with anyone intimating they will be outside that band. One good aspect of Edin-pm is the computer language, related tools and application discussion everyone has and appears to enjoy. Do others agree with my sentiments for aiming for a fixed meeting date ? -- Andrew -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miles at assyrian.org.uk Fri Feb 19 04:31:26 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:31:26 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meetings In-Reply-To: <1e11fb0e1002190423q3e571819xa70f5e6f7823cf50@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e11fb0e1002190423q3e571819xa70f5e6f7823cf50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219123126.GG12190@assyrian.org.uk> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:23:01PM +0000, A Smith wrote: > Do others agree with my sentiments for aiming for a fixed meeting date ? But we have a fixed meeting date! Or at least, one that's no less fixed than "first Wednesday of the month". Is "fourth Thursday of the month" not fixed enough for you? Is it Thursdays you have a problem with, or it not being the first one? NB: The Heretics meet on the /last/ Thursday of the month. This means that, if the last Thursday is not the fourth Thursday, then coming along to the Guildford Arms on either should lead to you seeing some Perl Mongers there, hence avoiding needless confusion and beerlessness. Miles -- What if you were an idiot, and what if you were a member of Congress? But I repeat myself. -- Mark Twain From perl at minty.org Fri Feb 19 04:38:30 2010 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:38:30 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meetings In-Reply-To: <1e11fb0e1002190423q3e571819xa70f5e6f7823cf50@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e11fb0e1002190423q3e571819xa70f5e6f7823cf50@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100219123830.GI15375@minty.org> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:23:01PM +0000, A Smith wrote: > Any reason we can't return to the 1st Wednesday? > [snip] > Do others agree with my sentiments for aiming for a fixed meeting date Just to clarify, are you saying you prefer the 1st Wed over the 4th Thursday as a meeting date. Or that the 4th Thursday isn't a fixed meeting date? Also, wasn't our previous meeting the 2nd Wed of the month? In any event, for reference, I believe the previous discussion about dates started here http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/2009-January/000692.html I wonder if there is still a desire not to overlap with Edinburgh Tech MeetUp. From perl at minty.org Fri Feb 19 04:49:16 2010 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:49:16 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] venue Message-ID: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> On the subject of administrative issues ... I find I much prefer the Cumberland Bar [1] to the Guildford Arms [2] these days. Specifically: - free wifi - serves half decent pub food - typically same bar staff in any two consecutive months - more seating space (I suspect) - beer garden, for those 2 summer days, should they overlap with a meeting - my name is on the bar. Plus, their real ale selection seems at least as broad and well cellar'd. I don't know the status of the Guildford, but the Cumberland is a freehouse. On the minus side, I note it's a little bit further for those who need to grab a train afterwards. But is closer (I think) for Andrew! And while I think it has a TV, it likely doesn't have the same degree of football coverage as the Guildford. For me, this is a plus, but I know that won't be universal. Any views? [1] http://www.cumberlandbar.co.uk/ [2] http://www.guildfordarms.com/ From asmith9983 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 04:52:17 2010 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:52:17 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meetings In-Reply-To: <20100219123830.GI15375@minty.org> References: <1e11fb0e1002190423q3e571819xa70f5e6f7823cf50@mail.gmail.com> <20100219123830.GI15375@minty.org> Message-ID: <1e11fb0e1002190452s3763bba0g924a4efa83c75222@mail.gmail.com> I personally don't have any preference to a particular evening, as I'll work around any event conflict. I'd just like to be able to slot dates and times into my Google calendar. Also, I think we'd get better regular attendance and attract new members. Andrew On 19 February 2010 12:38, Murray wrote: > On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:23:01PM +0000, A Smith wrote: > > Any reason we can't return to the 1st Wednesday? > > [snip] > > Do others agree with my sentiments for aiming for a fixed meeting date > > Just to clarify, are you saying you prefer the 1st Wed over the 4th > Thursday as a meeting date. Or that the 4th Thursday isn't a fixed > meeting date? > > Also, wasn't our previous meeting the 2nd Wed of the month? > > In any event, for reference, I believe the previous discussion about > dates started here > > http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/2009-January/000692.html > > I wonder if there is still a desire not to overlap with Edinburgh Tech > MeetUp. > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miles at assyrian.org.uk Fri Feb 19 04:58:31 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:58:31 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] venue In-Reply-To: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> References: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> Message-ID: <20100219125830.GH12190@assyrian.org.uk> On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 12:49:16PM +0000, Murray wrote: > On the subject of administrative issues ... I find I much prefer the > Cumberland Bar [1] to the Guildford Arms [2] these days. I like the Cumberland a lot, but there's usually a mountaineering group in the back room on Thursdays, which means there's not much space for us. It would work better if we shifted the meeting date. [On the other hand, I've been meaning to get off my arse and sort out some climbing partners for what remains of the winter. So if you don't mind me disappearing off for half an hour to talk about mountains, I could live with that...] Miles -- If you drink a litre of water, all of a sudden you weigh two more pounds. -- dairem summarises the British approach to measurement systems, Reddit From asmith9983 at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 05:20:12 2010 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:20:12 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] venue In-Reply-To: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> References: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> Message-ID: <1e11fb0e1002190520g6d9958a3h7dcd33762b7c2433@mail.gmail.com> I don't mind either of these locations. I'm out most evenings and for green reasons get the bus up the hill, and walk back for waist reasons. The Guild Ford Arms became much more attractive from my perspective when indoor smoking was outlawed. Don't ever suggest the Cumberland for a Friday evening. Its almost standing room only. I go to the Freelancers Meetup there every fortnight. On 19 February 2010 12:49, Murray wrote: > On the subject of administrative issues ... I find I much prefer the > Cumberland Bar [1] to the Guildford Arms [2] these days. > > Specifically: > > - free wifi > - serves half decent pub food > - typically same bar staff in any two consecutive months > - more seating space (I suspect) > - beer garden, for those 2 summer days, should they overlap with a > meeting > - my name is on the bar. > > Plus, their real ale selection seems at least as broad and well > cellar'd. I don't know the status of the Guildford, but the Cumberland > is a freehouse. > > On the minus side, I note it's a little bit further for those who need > to grab a train afterwards. But is closer (I think) for Andrew! > > And while I think it has a TV, it likely doesn't have the same degree of > football coverage as the Guildford. For me, this is a plus, but I know > that won't be universal. > > Any views? > > [1] http://www.cumberlandbar.co.uk/ > [2] http://www.guildfordarms.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robrwo at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 09:46:11 2010 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:46:11 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meetings In-Reply-To: <1e11fb0e1002190452s3763bba0g924a4efa83c75222@mail.gmail.com> References: <1e11fb0e1002190423q3e571819xa70f5e6f7823cf50@mail.gmail.com> <20100219123830.GI15375@minty.org> <1e11fb0e1002190452s3763bba0g924a4efa83c75222@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4B7ECE63.2050305@gmail.com> On 19/02/10 12:52 A Smith wrote: > I personally don't have any preference to a particular evening, as I'll work > around any event conflict. I'd just like to be able to slot dates and > times into my Google calendar. There's an Scottish Tech Calendar in Google http://bit.ly/3TXN7B that lists the dates for various technical meets and user groups, including Edin.pm. From robrwo at gmail.com Fri Feb 19 09:55:02 2010 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 17:55:02 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] venue In-Reply-To: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> References: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> Message-ID: <4B7ED076.3030508@gmail.com> On 19/02/10 12:49 Murray wrote: > On the subject of administrative issues ... I find I much prefer the > Cumberland Bar [1] to the Guildford Arms [2] these days. I prefer Cumberland, but can certainly live with Guildford (except in August, when the festival takes over). Cumberland does get crowded by special events now and then, so perhaps we should check with them about reserving a space in one of the small side rooms.(And perhaps inquire about this before voting on it, so we know it's available.) I believe that there's a separate meeting room with a beamer in the basement that could be rented for special events. Rob From robert at interactive.co.uk Fri Feb 19 10:25:43 2010 From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder) Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 18:25:43 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] venue In-Reply-To: <4B7ED076.3030508@gmail.com> References: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> <4B7ED076.3030508@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b89f0791002191025l4366c7f9g7f620ac62d21e58@mail.gmail.com> On 19 February 2010 17:55, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > On 19/02/10 12:49 Murray wrote: >> >> On the subject of administrative issues ... I find I much prefer the >> Cumberland Bar [1] to the Guildford Arms [2] these days. > > I prefer Cumberland, but can certainly live with Guildford (except in > August, when the festival takes over). I'd prefer the Guildford (it involves noticeably less hill climbing that the Cumberland:-), but could live with either. And since I'm an erratic attender anyway... > I believe that there's a separate meeting room with a beamer in the basement > that could be rented for special events. There is certainly a meeting room in the basement, and though i didn't see any sign of the car, I'm not sure we'd want it anyway. Robert. -- Robert Inder 0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213 Interactive Information Ltd, 3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689 Interactions speak louder than words From miles at assyrian.org.uk Mon Feb 22 04:11:08 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:11:08 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Python user group Message-ID: <20100222121105.GA30524@assyrian.org.uk> I thought some of you might like to know that my inquiry to the TechMeetup list has resulted in the formation of an Edinburgh Python User Group: http://groups.google.com/group/edinburgh-pug/about?hl=en The current consensus on the first meeting time appears to be Thursday 4th at the Cambridge Bar. I was planning on going along. I also think we should challenge them to some suitably silly contest once they get properly established. Miles -- Leaf blowers and patio heaters are Nero and Stiletto to the SUV's Baron Greenback. -- Ben Godfrey From struan at exo.org.uk Tue Feb 23 04:40:20 2010 From: struan at exo.org.uk (Struan Donald) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 12:40:20 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Is it ok to post job adverts here? Message-ID: <20100223124020.GC4910@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> Hi, $employer has some development positions going and I was wondering if it was ok to post about that here? And also, if anyone has any suggestions for other good places to put them. In case it's relevant it's mostly PHP so not ideal for a perl list ;). Thanks Struan From rory.macdonald at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 08:29:12 2010 From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:29:12 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Is it ok to post job adverts here? In-Reply-To: <20100223124020.GC4910@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> References: <20100223124020.GC4910@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm ok with job postings direct the list. Not sure if PHP world has something similar to jobs.perl.org but worth googling for such a site. Cheers Rory On 23 February 2010 12:40, Struan Donald wrote: > Hi, > > $employer has some development positions going and I was wondering if > it was ok to post about that here? And also, if anyone has any > suggestions for other good places to put them. In case it's relevant > it's mostly PHP so not ideal for a perl list ;). > > Thanks > > Struan > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From hennesseybrown at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 08:40:18 2010 From: hennesseybrown at gmail.com (Keith Brown) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 16:40:18 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Is it ok to post job adverts here? In-Reply-To: References: <20100223124020.GC4910@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> Message-ID: I'd have thought that there's probably a fair bit of overlap between the various scripting language communities anyway, at least as far as web dev stuff goes. Cheers Keith On 23 February 2010 16:29, Rory Macdonald wrote: > I'm ok with job postings direct the list. > > Not sure if PHP world has something similar to jobs.perl.org but worth > googling for such a site. > > Cheers > > Rory > > On 23 February 2010 12:40, Struan Donald wrote: > > Hi, > > > > $employer has some development positions going and I was wondering if > > it was ok to post about that here? And also, if anyone has any > > suggestions for other good places to put them. In case it's relevant > > it's mostly PHP so not ideal for a perl list ;). > > > > Thanks > > > > Struan > > _______________________________________________ > > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From robrwo at gmail.com Tue Feb 23 10:09:15 2010 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:09:15 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Is it ok to post job adverts here? In-Reply-To: <20100223124020.GC4910@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> References: <20100223124020.GC4910@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> Message-ID: <4B8419CB.3030704@gmail.com> There is an Edinburgh PHP group, EdPUG http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/edpug/ On 23/02/10 12:40 Struan Donald wrote: > Hi, > > $employer has some development positions going and I was wondering if > it was ok to post about that here? And also, if anyone has any > suggestions for other good places to put them. In case it's relevant > it's mostly PHP so not ideal for a perl list ;). > > Thanks > > Struan From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Tue Feb 23 11:09:03 2010 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:09:03 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] venue In-Reply-To: <7b89f0791002191025l4366c7f9g7f620ac62d21e58@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100219124916.GJ15375@minty.org> <4B7ED076.3030508@gmail.com> <7b89f0791002191025l4366c7f9g7f620ac62d21e58@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Robert Inder wrote: > I'd prefer the Guildford (it involves noticeably less hill climbing > that the Cumberland:-), but could live with either. That's my only gripe about the Cumberland, too. But it's a nice boozer, and I don't have a strong opinion on this, so if consensus is for the Cumberland, I'm fine. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From perl at minty.org Tue Feb 23 11:52:16 2010 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 19:52:16 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Monthly Meeting Message-ID: <20100223195215.GB15375@minty.org> For the avoidance of doubt: (This) Thursday, 25th Feb, 2010 is the regular monthly social. Guildford Arms I should be there from about 7pm ish. (I've emailed that other place to ask about reservations etc, and once I hear, I'll setup a doodle poll for voting on any potential changes to venue). From robert at interactive.co.uk Tue Feb 23 12:47:20 2010 From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:47:20 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100223195215.GB15375@minty.org> References: <20100223195215.GB15375@minty.org> Message-ID: <7b89f0791002231247p665fcd78wafb1d76309c214b5@mail.gmail.com> On 23 February 2010 19:52, Murray wrote: > For the avoidance of doubt: > > ?(This) Thursday, 25th Feb, 2010 > > is the regular monthly social. > > ?Guildford Arms > > I should be there from about 7pm ish. I've just discovered that a friend is in hospital, and I'm going to visit him. I MAY be along later... Robert. -- Robert Inder 0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213 Interactive Information Ltd, 3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689 Interactions speak louder than words From struan at exo.org.uk Tue Feb 23 13:46:21 2010 From: struan at exo.org.uk (Struan Donald) Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 21:46:21 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] JOB: Full time PHP Devloper in Dundee Message-ID: Hi, seeing as I asked if I could I thought I should ;) As it says in the subject it's a PHP developer role based in Dundee. The advert is here: http://www.s1jobs.com/job/350767191.html and the address to send your CV to if you're interested is: maxjobs at gfi.com Thanks Struan From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Wed Feb 24 11:49:07 2010 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:49:07 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <20100223195215.GB15375@minty.org> References: <20100223195215.GB15375@minty.org> Message-ID: Murray wrote: > Thursday, 25th Feb, 2010 is the regular monthly social. I'm afraid I won't be there till later on (9pm or 10pm), if at all. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com Thu Feb 25 00:41:33 2010 From: wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com (Wim Vanderbauwhede) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 08:41:33 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: References: <20100223195215.GB15375@minty.org> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I can't make it this time. Wim On 24 February 2010 19:49, Aaron Crane wrote: > Murray wrote: > > Thursday, 25th Feb, 2010 is the regular monthly social. > > I'm afraid I won't be there till later on (9pm or 10pm), if at all. > > -- > Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -- If it's pointless, what's the point? If there is a point to it, what's the point? 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Chris On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Wim Vanderbauwhede wrote: > Unfortunately, I can't make it this time. > > Wim > > On 24 February 2010 19:49, Aaron Crane wrote: >> >> Murray wrote: >> > Thursday, 25th Feb, 2010 is the regular monthly social. >> >> I'm afraid I won't be there till later on (9pm or 10pm), if at all. >> >> -- >> Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ >> _______________________________________________ >> Edinburgh-pm mailing list >> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > > > > -- > If it's pointless, what's the point? > If there is a point to it, what's the point? > (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From miles at assyrian.org.uk Thu Feb 25 03:40:27 2010 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Thu, 25 Feb 2010 11:40:27 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Monthly Meeting In-Reply-To: <82bb54531002250323v3c308c65wd715b082b8b0ac76@mail.gmail.com> References: <20100223195215.GB15375@minty.org> <82bb54531002250323v3c308c65wd715b082b8b0ac76@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20100225114027.GA18271@assyrian.org.uk> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:23:56AM +0000, Chris Yocum wrote: > Hi Guys, > I fairly sure that I will be there. I'll be there, but I doubt I'll make it for bang-on 7.30. This unemployment thing is hard work, you know. No demo tonight, sorry: still working through the Catalyst tutorial. Miles -- A guilty conscience is that part of a human being that is soluble in absinthe. -- Maurice Zolotow