From hakim.cassimally at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 02:22:51 2010
From: hakim.cassimally at gmail.com (Hakim Cassimally)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 10:22:51 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Heretical sabbat
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On 31 July 2010 20:53, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 08:20:15PM +0100, Hakim Cassimally wrote:
>> (or s/mp3/m4a/, if you have an aversion to mp3).
>> Comments and suggestions welcome, or alternatively just laugh at how
>> awful my sound-engineering skills are :D
>
> I really enjoyed that :-)
>
> Though you're right, I was a bit OTT - the best days of my /working/
> life, perhaps :-)

Hehe, there were lots of good lines, and I didn't manage to fit them all in ;-)

The show is now up on the YAPC::EU::2010 site, at:

   http://conferences.yapceurope.org/ye2010/news/622

Thanks again, and see you all next time I'm up in Edinburgh!

osf'

From jules at turnbull25.plus.com  Sun Aug  1 08:21:40 2010
From: jules at turnbull25.plus.com (Julian Turnbull)
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2010 16:21:40 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Someone is wrong on the Internet,
 and I'm worried it's me
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Miles Gould wrote:
> Help! I said something unsupported on Twitter, and now I'm being asked
> to justify it.
>
> Enraged by the discovery that there are language designers who think
> it's OK to provide textual whole-file inclusion as the sole
> code-reuse mechanism in fecking 2010, I tweeted
>
> LANGUAGE DESIGNERS: unless you have a really good idea for a module
> system, just copy Perl or O'Caml. You have no excuse for failure.
>
>   
Which misbegotten language(s) would this be?  I remember working with 
that kind of code-reuse - with punched cards, somewhere around 1975.

I'd be interested to hear what other mongers make of the Perl-Python 
comparison in this regard.  I'm just dipping a toe in the water with 
Python, so I don't know enough to make a sensible contribution.

Julian.


From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Sun Aug  1 08:58:04 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 16:58:04 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Someone is wrong on the Internet,
 and I'm worried it's me
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On Sun, Aug 01, 2010 at 04:21:40PM +0100, Julian Turnbull wrote:
> Which misbegotten language(s) would this be?

The language that aroused my ire was Frink (http://futureboy.us/frinkdocs/),
which is rather like units(1) on speed. His intended niche is short,
engineering-type calculations, particularly on portable devices, but
still, there's no excuse for doing something so obviously wrong.

> I remember working with that kind of code-reuse - with punched cards,
> somewhere around 1975.

PHP did this for a long time, too - anyone know if they've seen the
error of their ways yet? I know PHP only got namespaces surprisingly
recently.

> I'd be interested to hear what other mongers make of the Perl-Python
> comparison in this regard.  I'm just dipping a toe in the water with
> Python, so I don't know enough to make a sensible contribution.

I haven't used Python for a while, but here's what I remember about the
module system:

1) The actual module-loading business is much like Perl's: when you ask
to import foo.bar.baz.spoffle, a configurable list of directories is
searched for the file foo/bar/baz/spoffle.py, and the first one to be
found is compiled and loaded, with the functions by default living in
the foo.bar.baz.spoffle namespace.
2) You can also do "from X import *" or "from X import f, g, h", which
imports all public objects from X (or just the specified ones) into your
namespace.

Unlike in Perl, AIUI, (2) is a language feature and not overridable by
user code.

Miles

-- 
For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public
relations, for nature cannot be fooled.
  -- Richard Feynman

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Mon Aug  2 04:36:52 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 12:36:52 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] DaliBug
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On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 07:20:23PM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
> Here's a random guess: there's a compiler bug which is present at all
> optimisation levels, but happens to be hidden by an optimisation
> enabled at -O2 ? perhaps an IR structure that's mishandled is only
> ever present at -O1 or -O0, because -O2 changes the underlying code to
> something else first.

It turns out that all IR opcodes present in the "bad" version are also
present in the "good" version...

p_q

Miles

-- 
It is better to be deprived of food for three days than of tea for one.
  -- Confucius

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Mon Aug  2 15:52:31 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 23:52:31 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] DaliBug
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... got it.

Here's the offending code:

  gcg_create_mpyint(gcg_expand, rs1,
                    UnivInt_to_int(p.Value), rd);

and here's what it should have been:

  gcg_create_mpyintimm(gcg_expand, rs1,
                       UnivInt_to_int(p.Value), rd);

This meant that instead of emitting code to multiply register r1 by the
immediate value 10, it was emitting code to multiply r1 by r9 (which
was, of course, uninitialised).

The typesystem-inclined will note that this could and should have been
detected at compile-time: the problem is that virtual registers (rs1 and
rd) are represented as integers, much like UnivInt_to_int(p.Value). What
I probably should have done was made the mpyintimm constructor take
whatever kind of thing p is. Now I need to work out how to get the
C generation system to output that...

Ideally I'd represent registers some other way too, but I don't think
that's possible with the system as it is.

I'm treating this as a learning experience.

Miles

-- 
Sure, it could contribute to the breakdown of society. But isn't the
breakdown of a decent party just as much of a tragedy?
  -- Robert Colvile

From iainspeed at gmail.com  Mon Aug  2 16:05:17 2010
From: iainspeed at gmail.com (Iain Barnett)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 00:05:17 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Regex not matching what I expect (or want:)
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Thanks very much for all the replies, and especially for the examples as that's usually the missing key in any explanation (such as using the pos function in perldocs). I'll work my way through them and see what works best.

Many thanks
Iain

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Fri Aug 20 02:18:47 2010
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 10:18:47 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
Message-ID: <AANLkTinFOvgfokMm9EFT3w8LmPz+QKSapREAr=XnDKs=@mail.gmail.com>

Mark Keating (from Shadowcat) is in town at the moment; this clearly
constitutes an emergency which can only be remedied by BEER.
Unfortunately, Mark is only available tomorrow evening (Saturday
21st), which is fairly short notice.  I'm free till 8pm; is anyone
else around?

I'll also take suggestions for reasonable pubs which can be expected
to have space on a Saturday evening during the festival.  Anyone know
what the Cumberland is like at the moment?

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Fri Aug 20 04:53:51 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 12:53:51 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
> Mark Keating (from Shadowcat) is in town at the moment; this clearly
> constitutes an emergency which can only be remedied by BEER.
> Unfortunately, Mark is only available tomorrow evening (Saturday
> 21st), which is fairly short notice.  I'm free till 8pm; is anyone
> else around?

I think I could probably rearrange my busy schedule to make space for
BEER :-)

Miles

-- 
How about this: "In order to become better connected with audiences, the
BBC should cause all televisions to ooze superglue"
  -- Steve Jolly

From cyocum at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 05:17:00 2010
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:17:00 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
In-Reply-To: <20100820115351.GT14157@assyrian.org.uk>
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I may be as well.  What I was thinking though is that Stockbridge Tap
may be far enough away from the festival crowds that it will not be
heaving.  What say you?

Chris

Miles Gould wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
>   
>> Mark Keating (from Shadowcat) is in town at the moment; this clearly
>> constitutes an emergency which can only be remedied by BEER.
>> Unfortunately, Mark is only available tomorrow evening (Saturday
>> 21st), which is fairly short notice.  I'm free till 8pm; is anyone
>> else around?
>>     
>
> I think I could probably rearrange my busy schedule to make space for
> BEER :-)
>
> Miles
>
>   


From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Fri Aug 20 05:40:57 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 13:40:57 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 01:17:00PM +0100, Chris Yocum wrote:
> I may be as well.  What I was thinking though is that Stockbridge Tap
> may be far enough away from the festival crowds that it will not be
> heaving.  What say you?

WFM.

Miles

-- 
Genius is 1% inspiration, 2% perspiration, and 99% arithmetic.
  -- Anon

From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 06:57:21 2010
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 14:57:21 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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I'll refresh myself with a soda and lime, although at The Cumberland its
more Lime with soda.
Ben may come too. congregate just after 7pm ?
--
Andrew

On 20 August 2010 12:53, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
> > Mark Keating (from Shadowcat) is in town at the moment; this clearly
> > constitutes an emergency which can only be remedied by BEER.
> > Unfortunately, Mark is only available tomorrow evening (Saturday
> > 21st), which is fairly short notice.  I'm free till 8pm; is anyone
> > else around?
>
> I think I could probably rearrange my busy schedule to make space for
> BEER :-)
>
> Miles
>
> --
> How about this: "In order to become better connected with audiences, the
> BBC should cause all televisions to ooze superglue"
>  -- Steve Jolly
> _______________________________________________
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From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 07:00:43 2010
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:00:43 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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Please firm up location and congregate time.

On 20 August 2010 14:57, A Smith <asmith9983 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'll refresh myself with a soda and lime, although at The Cumberland its
> more Lime with soda.
> Ben may come too. congregate just after 7pm ?
> --
> Andrew
>
>
> On 20 August 2010 12:53, Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 10:18:47AM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote:
>> > Mark Keating (from Shadowcat) is in town at the moment; this clearly
>> > constitutes an emergency which can only be remedied by BEER.
>> > Unfortunately, Mark is only available tomorrow evening (Saturday
>> > 21st), which is fairly short notice.  I'm free till 8pm; is anyone
>> > else around?
>>
>> I think I could probably rearrange my busy schedule to make space for
>> BEER :-)
>>
>> Miles
>>
>> --
>> How about this: "In order to become better connected with audiences, the
>> BBC should cause all televisions to ooze superglue"
>>  -- Steve Jolly
>> _______________________________________________
>> Edinburgh-pm mailing list
>> Edinburgh-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm
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From cyocum at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 07:06:48 2010
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:06:48 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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WFM?

Miles Gould wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 01:17:00PM +0100, Chris Yocum wrote:
>   
>> I may be as well.  What I was thinking though is that Stockbridge Tap
>> may be far enough away from the festival crowds that it will not be
>> heaving.  What say you?
>>     
>
> WFM.
>
> Miles
>
>   


From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Fri Aug 20 07:08:25 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 15:08:25 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 03:06:48PM +0100, Chris Yocum wrote:
> WFM?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=WFM

Miles

-- 
One person can change the world, but most of the time they shouldn't.
  -- Marge Simpson

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Fri Aug 20 08:11:18 2010
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 16:11:18 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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Miles Gould <miles at assyrian.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris Yocum wrote:
>> Stockbridge Tap
>
> WFM

That's settled, then.

  Stockbridge Tap
  2 Raeburn Place, EH4 1GN
  Saturday 21st August
  6pm start

As I said, I'll have to leave at 8pm; and Mark says he will likewise,
so no need to get your hard-core drinking hats on.  I might well end
up getting there a bit early, though.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From fontani at gmail.com  Sat Aug 21 07:28:59 2010
From: fontani at gmail.com (Marco Fontani)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:28:59 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency meeting tomorrow?
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On Fri, Aug 20, 2010 at 4:11 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:
> That's settled, then.
> ?Stockbridge Tap
> ?2 Raeburn Place, EH4 1GN
> ?Saturday 21st August
> ?6pm start

Hi all,

after months lurking on the list and always realising it was "that"
Thursday of the month on the day...
I'll also be coming at the social tonight.
GPS willing, the Italian "estranged" Edinburgh.pm member from Glasgow
will also be joining you this evening at 6pm.

If I don't see you, please do seek a guy with the green YAPC shirt ;)

Till soon
-marco-

From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Aug 24 06:26:50 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:26:50 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday
Message-ID: <20100824132650.GP14157@assyrian.org.uk>

I notice that we're due for a meeting on Thursday. Are we going to risk
the Cumberland, or try somewhere further out?

Miles

-- 
(This message encoded in two-pass rot13 for extra security)

From cyocum at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 06:33:42 2010
From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:33:42 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday
In-Reply-To: <20100824132650.GP14157@assyrian.org.uk>
References: <20100824132650.GP14157@assyrian.org.uk>
Message-ID: <4C73CA36.5080106@gmail.com>

I say risk the Cumberland.  If Murry reserves the table as per usual, we
should be fine.

Chris

Miles Gould wrote:
> I notice that we're due for a meeting on Thursday. Are we going to risk
> the Cumberland, or try somewhere further out?
>
> Miles
>
>   


From perl at minty.org  Tue Aug 24 06:58:28 2010
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:58:28 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:33:42PM +0100, Chris Yocum wrote:
> I say risk the Cumberland.  If Murry reserves the table as per usual, we
> should be fine.

Sadly I cannot make it this month -- reserving a table is easy tho --
just give them a call.

0131 558 3134

I would .. but given you might yet opt for another venue ...

From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 13:05:53 2010
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:05:53 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday
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Given the Scottish Summer weather,  and how wet Saturday evening turned out,
playing safe  booking  a table inside the Cumberland  seems a good option.
I'll aim for just after 7pm, at the Cumberland.
--
Andrew

On 24 August 2010 14:58, Murray <perl at minty.org> wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:33:42PM +0100, Chris Yocum wrote:
> > I say risk the Cumberland.  If Murry reserves the table as per usual, we
> > should be fine.
>
> Sadly I cannot make it this month -- reserving a table is easy tho --
> just give them a call.
>
> 0131 558 3134
>
> I would .. but given you might yet opt for another venue ...
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Tue Aug 24 13:19:08 2010
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 21:19:08 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Thursday
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On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 02:58:28PM +0100, Murray wrote:
> Sadly I cannot make it this month -- reserving a table is easy tho --
> just give them a call.
> 
> 0131 558 3134

OK, I've just booked a table for six in the name of Gould for 1830 on
Thursday.

Miles

-- 
"I wasn't aware the Tokyo police employed uneducated, paranoid,
delusional foreign delinquents." "In my case, they made an exception."
  -- Fred Gallagher, www.megatokyo.com

From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Tue Aug 24 16:06:56 2010
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (Andrew Smith)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:06:56 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Mark Keating - conference  post festival
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Following our discussion of ideas at The Stockbridge Tap on Saturday
evening,My thoughts  are that these events  should be promoted as
inexpensive social/professional  events where  people who need to
understand the implications of new and emerging technologies can update
themselves  without spending hours tediously surfing  stuff on the
Internet by providing streams focussed on specific topics, such as
where Perl has moved to from the widely used 5.8 and CPAN, to Parrot and
Perl 6. Functional programming: What its about,Haskell,OCAML,F#,
Enterprise systems, Linux,OpenSolaris,MySQL,Apache.

My thoughts are that it could be aimed at graduates, who need to move on
from COBOL and FORTRAN. On the train to visit my Mother in Aberdour two
weeks ago, I spoke to a girl with a PhD from Lisbon who was on her way
to a cell modelling summer school in Dundee where the implementation
language was FORTRAN.

As Mark thought of the conference being after the Fringe, for
accommodation reasons, and maybe to catch parents dropping their loved
ones off at one of our fine Scottish Universities, we could widen our
possible attendees.

So hold it in the week following the end of the official
festival/fringe, and call it the "Edinburgh Computer Festival", like the
Book Festival, and Jazz Festival. People like Oracle,Microsoft,IBM,
might like to be sponsors.  Speakers could be drawn from Alumni, as well
as those in and around Edinburgh, even Dundee on how to run a video
games company.
Glasgow is known worldwide for GHC, so maybe Simon Peyton-Jones on
working at Microsoft Research,Cambridge on the F# team.

-- 
Andrew Smith B.Sc(Hons), MBA
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Edinburgh
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From oliver.saunders at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 12:56:59 2010
From: oliver.saunders at gmail.com (Ollie Saunders)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 20:56:59 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Ed Lambda
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Hi Perl folks,

I'm running a meetup for functional programming in Edinburgh. The
first one will be on the 13th of September at Malone's Irish Bar (14
Forrest Road) and will continue every 2nd monday of each month. For
the first meetup I think we'll just be having a chat and getting to
know each other but I hope to be able to expand it to talks and coding
dojos once we have some regular numbers.

For more details: http://meetup.com/ed-lambda/
And we're on Twitter: http://twitter.com/ed_lambda