From robrwo at gmail.com Mon Mar 2 13:50:58 2009 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2009 21:50:58 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Fwd: STOP 2009 Call for Papers Message-ID: <49AC54C2.6060301@gmail.com> -------- Original Message -------- Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 06:20:10 +0100 (CET) From: tobias at dsv.su.se (Tobias Wrigstad) Subject: [TYPES/announce] STOP 2009 Call for Papers To: types-announce at lists.seas.upenn.edu Message-ID: <20090227052010.4DECADAB61 at triton.localdomain> Call for Papers Script to Program Evolution (STOP) at ECOOP 2009 July 6th, 2009, Genova, Italy Recent years have seen increased use of scripting languages in large applications. Scripting languages optimize development time, especially early in the software life cycle, over safety and robustness. As the understanding of the system reaches a critical point and requirements stabilize, scripting languages become less appealing. Compromises made to optimize development time make it harder to reason about program correctness, harder to do semantic-preserving refactorings, and harder to optimize execution speed. Lack of type information makes code harder to navigate and to use correctly. In the worst cases, this situation leads to a costly and potentially error-prone rewrite of a program in a compiled language, losing the flexibility of scripting languages for future extension. Recently, pluggable type systems and annotation systems have been proposed. Such systems add compile-time checkable annotations without changing a program's run-time semantics which facilitates early error checking and program analysis. It is believed that untyped scripts can be retrofitted to work with such systems. Furthermore, integration of typed and untyped code, for example, through use of gradual typing, allows scripts to evolve into safer programs more suitable for program analysis and compile-time optimisations. With very few exceptions, practical reports are yet to be found. The STOP workshop focuses on the evolution of scripts, largely untyped code, into safer programs, with more rigid structure and more constrained behaviour through the use of gradual/hybrid/ pluggable typing, optional contract checking, extensible languages, refactoring tools, and the like. The goal is to further the understanding and use of such systems in practise, and connect practise and theory. To this end, we encourage not only submissions presenting original research results, but also papers that attempt to establish links between different approaches and/or papers that include survey material, experience reports and tool demonstrations. Original research results should be clearly described, and their usefulness to practitioners outlined. Paper selection will be based on the quality of the submitted material, including surveys. Demos will judged on the perceived relevance for the intended audience. The accepted papers will be made available through ACM's digital library. Important Dates =============== Submission: April 8, 2009 Notification: May 8, 2009 Final Version: June 8, 2009 Workshop: July 6, 2009 Programme Committee =================== Cormac Flanagan, University of California Santa Cruz Jan Vitek, Purdue University Jeff Foster, University of Maryland Jeremy Siek, University of Colorado Kostis Sagonas, Uppsala University Nate Nystrom, IBM T.J. Watson Research Peter Thiemann, Universit?t Freiburg Philip Wadler, University of Edinburgh Tobias Wrigstad, Purdue University (Chair) Todd Millstein, UCLA Organizers ========== Nate Nystrom, IBM T.J. Watson Research Center Jan Vitek, Purdue University Tobias Wrigstad, Purdue University Selection Process ================= Both full papers (up to 12 pages LNCS) and position papers (1-2 pages LNCS) are welcome. All submissions will be reviewed by the programme committee. The accepted papers, after rework by the authors, will be published in the Workshop Proceedings, which will be distributed at the workshop. All accepted submissions shall remain available from the workshop web page. Papers should be submitted through EasyChair by April 8, 2009. (https://www.easychair.org/login.cgi?conf=stop09) Questions may be directed to Tobias Wrigstad (wrigstad AT cs DOT purdue DOT edu). From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Sun Mar 8 19:05:50 2009 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 02:05:50 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Maker Faire, Newcastle, 14-15th March Message-ID: <49B4797E.3040909@yahoo.co.uk> Just a heads up for those interested in these kind of things, this is next weekend: http://makerfaire.com/newcastle/2009/ A group of us are catching the 8.35 train down on Saturday (some are staying some are catching the 20.50 back). 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URL: From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Mon Mar 9 07:02:50 2009 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 2009 14:02:50 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Maker Faire, Newcastle, 14-15th March In-Reply-To: <49B4797E.3040909@yahoo.co.uk> References: <49B4797E.3040909@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090309140250.GK7395@aaroncrane.co.uk> Nick Woolley writes: > Just a heads up for those interested in these kind of things, this is > next weekend: > > http://makerfaire.com/newcastle/2009/ If Newcastle seems too far to go, there's a similar sort of thing in Glasgow: http://mcmadsat.blogspot.com/ I think I'll be too busy for either, but they both seem interesting. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Mon Mar 9 09:29:54 2009 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley) Date: Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:29:54 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Maker Faire, Newcastle, 14-15th March In-Reply-To: <20090309140250.GK7395@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <49B4797E.3040909@yahoo.co.uk> <20090309140250.GK7395@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <49B54402.10502@yahoo.co.uk> Aaron Crane wrote: > If Newcastle seems too far to go, there's a similar sort of thing in > Glasgow: > > http://mcmadsat.blogspot.com/ I hear there's also another BarCampScotland on Saturday: http://barcamp.org/BarCamp-Scotland-2009 Seems a bit of a shame these are all on the same day. N From robrwo at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 16:22:36 2009 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:22:36 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency Parrot In-Reply-To: <20090226153517.GL2794@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20090226131906.GA12050@aaroncrane.co.uk> <20090226140923.GQ5274@minty.org> <20090226153517.GL2794@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <49B6F63C.60809@gmail.com> So what are the plans for this, if not on the 17th? On 26/02/09 15:35 Aaron Crane wrote: > Murray writes: >> I hear voices in my head saying Parrot 1.0 may hit ~17th March 2009. >> This strikes me as cause for an emergency social > > Yay, cheap excuse for drinking! > >> (parrot hitting 1.0, not the voices in my head) > > Oh, shame. > >> and further perhaps worth extending the invite to all the other >> locals who deal in languages that Parrot claims to host [1] > > I'm down with that. I think the Perl community and the communities > surrounding other dynamic languages share common cause a lot more than > we tend to assume. Since Parrot aims to be a VM for implementing such > a wide range of dynamic languages, this seems like a particularly good > event for us to get together with our counterparts elsewhere. > >> Further, I would like to propose the following as a venue for said >> social: >> >> http://www.cumberlandbar.co.uk/ >> >> It serves food, has oodles of space, and is reasonably central. And >> also has some decent real ales. > > Ah, a fine choice, sir -- that's a nice wee boozer. > From cyocum at gmail.com Tue Mar 10 16:35:19 2009 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2009 23:35:19 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency Parrot In-Reply-To: <49B6F63C.60809@gmail.com> References: <20090226131906.GA12050@aaroncrane.co.uk> <20090226140923.GQ5274@minty.org> <20090226153517.GL2794@aaroncrane.co.uk> <49B6F63C.60809@gmail.com> Message-ID: <82bb54530903101635p63756f84u2ca73b8cf23780a6@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:22 PM, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > > So what are the plans for this, if not on the 17th? I was going to ask the same thing. Honestly, St. Pat's is a bad day to be out. Maybe we can do it a bit later than the 17th? > > On 26/02/09 15:35 Aaron Crane wrote: >> >> Murray writes: >>> >>> I hear voices in my head saying Parrot 1.0 may hit ~17th March 2009. >>> This strikes me as cause for an emergency social >> >> Yay, cheap excuse for drinking! >> >>> (parrot hitting 1.0, not the voices in my head) >> >> Oh, shame. >> >>> and further perhaps worth extending the invite to all the other >>> locals who deal in languages that Parrot claims to host [1] >> >> I'm down with that. ?I think the Perl community and the communities >> surrounding other dynamic languages share common cause a lot more than >> we tend to assume. ?Since Parrot aims to be a VM for implementing such >> a wide range of dynamic languages, this seems like a particularly good >> event for us to get together with our counterparts elsewhere. >> >>> Further, I would like to propose the following as a venue for said >>> social: >>> >>> http://www.cumberlandbar.co.uk/ >>> >>> It serves food, has oodles of space, and is reasonably central. ?And >>> also has some decent real ales. >> >> Ah, a fine choice, sir -- that's a nice wee boozer. >> > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From perl at minty.org Wed Mar 11 01:57:18 2009 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:57:18 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency Parrot In-Reply-To: <82bb54530903101635p63756f84u2ca73b8cf23780a6@mail.gmail.com> References: <20090226131906.GA12050@aaroncrane.co.uk> <20090226140923.GQ5274@minty.org> <20090226153517.GL2794@aaroncrane.co.uk> <49B6F63C.60809@gmail.com> <82bb54530903101635p63756f84u2ca73b8cf23780a6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20090311085718.GR23331@minty.org> On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:35:19PM +0000, Chris Yocum wrote: > > So what are the plans for this, if not on the 17th? I agree the 17th would be a bad day. Beyond that, urm. From miles at assyrian.org.uk Wed Mar 11 02:28:25 2009 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 09:28:25 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency Parrot In-Reply-To: <20090311085718.GR23331@minty.org>; from perl@minty.org on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:57:18AM +0000 References: <20090226131906.GA12050@aaroncrane.co.uk> <20090226140923.GQ5274@minty.org> <20090226153517.GL2794@aaroncrane.co.uk> <49B6F63C.60809@gmail.com> <82bb54530903101635p63756f84u2ca73b8cf23780a6@mail.gmail.com> <20090311085718.GR23331@minty.org> Message-ID: <20090311092825.A20652@assyrian.org.uk> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:57:18AM +0000, Murray wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:35:19PM +0000, Chris Yocum wrote: > > > So what are the plans for this, if not on the 17th? > > I agree the 17th would be a bad day. Beyond that, urm. Might I suggest... the 18th? Or do we need to Doodle this sucker? As for venue, I believe someone suggested the Cumberland Bar, which I've been meaning to visit for a while anyway. Miles -- Trent - So, the temperature can't get below subzero, because no matter how low it gets, it's still part of the subzero set. Jesse - Set? Hey, isn't that like, algebra? Trent - Aw, man! From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 11 09:43:54 2009 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 16:43:54 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [Fwd: Fwd: Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century Computing on the 16th March] Message-ID: <49B7EA4A.3080706@yahoo.co.uk> I thought this talk might be interesting to certain readers of this list. (For those who don't know, Philip Wadler is one of the architects of Haskell.) N Begin forwarded message: > *From: *cafe sci > > *Date: *11 March 2009 16:24:48 GMT > *To: *cafe sci > > *Subject: **Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century > Computing on the 16th March* > > Dear Edinburgh Cafe Sci members, > > This Monday the 16th (sorry about the short notice) Professor Philip > Wadler winner of the 'Most Influential POPL Paper Award', Director of > the Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, at the > University of Edinburgh, will be giving a talk about how Logic and > Computer programming are intrinsically linked. I've personally seen a > video podcast about this topic, and found it so interesting that I had > to invite Prof. Philip Wadler to speak for Cafe Sci. The link between > these two topics is deeper and more intriguing that it might initially > appear. > > > Title: "Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century > Computing". > Date: Monday 16th March > Time: 8.30pm > Place: Filmhouse cafe bar, lothian road > > > As the 19th century drew to a close, logicians formalized an ideal > notion of proof. They were driven by nothing other than an abiding > interest in truth, and their proofs were as ethereal as the mind of > God. Yet within decades these mathematical abstractions were realized > by the hand of man, in the digital stored-program computer. How it > came to be recognized that proofs and programs are the same is a > story that spans a century, a chase with as many twists and turns as a > thriller. At the end of the story is a principle for designing > programming languages that will guide computers into the 21st century. > > > Apologies about the lack of a poster, this definitely does not reflect > on the quality of the talk, but on our artist in residence reaching > her final exams in her Masters. Please spread the talk's details by > word of mouth. > > Also watch out for a summary of the Edinburgh Cafe Sci talk, "Why > robots won't rule the world" based on a talk given by Chris Malcolm in > February 2008, coming out in the May issue of the EUSci magazine > (Edinburgh Science Magazine) available at all university building and > Blackwells. http://www.eusci.org/. It's sure to be jam-packed with > interesting scientific articles, my favourite is about the axolotl's > amazing ability to regrow their tails, but also other interesting > topics such as the 'love' pheromone oxytocin, and light pollution . > This is my first published Cafe Sci summary, hopefully more are to > follow. For the rest check out > https://www.wiki.ed.ac.uk/display/PSCT/Cafe+Scientifique. > > As always cafe sci is free and open to everyone but please either drop > me a quick email or reply to the facebook group so we have a rough > idea of numbers. > > Hope to see you there, > > Edward Duca > > -- > Edinburgh caf? sci > > cafe.sci.edinburgh at googlemail.com > > www.cafescientifique.org > -------------- next part -------------- An embedded and charset-unspecified text was scrubbed... Name: Attached Message Part URL: From miles at assyrian.org.uk Wed Mar 11 11:07:22 2009 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 18:07:22 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [Fwd: Fwd: Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century Computing on the 16th March] In-Reply-To: <49B7EA4A.3080706@yahoo.co.uk>; from nickwoolley@yahoo.co.uk on Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 04:43:54PM +0000 References: <49B7EA4A.3080706@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <20090311180722.A17338@assyrian.org.uk> On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 04:43:54PM +0000, Nick Woolley wrote: > I thought this talk might be interesting to certain readers of this list. [snip] Looks intriguing! But what kind of level will the talk be pitched at? Can I bring non-techie friends, or will he stride in, turn to the blackboard, and say "Let L be a first-order language recursively defined over an alphabet Phi. Recall Yoneda's Lemma..."? Miles -- Knowledge dispels fear. -- Motto of the RAF Parachute Training School From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Wed Mar 11 13:02:02 2009 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:02:02 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [Fwd: Fwd: Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century Computing on the 16th March] In-Reply-To: <20090311180722.A17338@assyrian.org.uk> References: <49B7EA4A.3080706@yahoo.co.uk> <20090311180722.A17338@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <49B818BA.1080700@yahoo.co.uk> Miles Gould wrote: > Looks intriguing! But what kind of level will the talk be pitched at? Cafe Scientifique is aimed at Joe Public, so he ought not go into esoteric details. The main problem is that the venue is a bit short of space... arrive early. N From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Wed Mar 11 12:17:03 2009 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:17:03 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [Fwd: Fwd: Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century Computing on the 16th March] In-Reply-To: <20090311180722.A17338@assyrian.org.uk> References: <49B7EA4A.3080706@yahoo.co.uk> <20090311180722.A17338@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20090311191703.GA7395@aaroncrane.co.uk> Miles Gould writes: > Looks intriguing! But what kind of level will the talk be pitched > at? Can I bring non-techie friends, or will he stride in, turn to > the blackboard, and say "Let L be a first-order language recursively > defined over an alphabet Phi. Recall Yoneda's Lemma..."? I've been to a few Cafe Scientifique lectures before, and none of them have assumed any advanced knowledge of the field. Some of them are probably accessible to secondary-school students, given a suitable topic and speaker. Anyway, I'm planning to go along if I have time. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From robrwo at gmail.com Mon Mar 16 02:04:40 2009 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2009 09:04:40 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [Fwd: Fwd: Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century Computing on the 16th March] In-Reply-To: <49B7EA4A.3080706@yahoo.co.uk> References: <49B7EA4A.3080706@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: FYI, there's a note about it on Phil Wadler's blog http://wadler.blogspot.com/2009/03/cafe-scientifique.html with a link to previous versions of the talk. On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Nick Woolley wrote: > I thought this talk might be interesting to certain readers of this list. > > (For those who don't know, Philip Wadler is one of the architects of > Haskell.) > > N > > Begin forwarded message: >> >> *From: *cafe sci > > >> *Date: *11 March 2009 16:24:48 GMT >> *To: *cafe sci > > >> *Subject: **Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century >> Computing on ?the 16th March* >> >> Dear Edinburgh Cafe Sci members, >> >> This Monday the 16th (sorry about the short notice) Professor Philip >> Wadler winner of the 'Most Influential POPL Paper Award', Director of the >> Laboratory for the Foundations of Computer Science, at the University of >> Edinburgh, will be giving a talk about how Logic and Computer programming >> are intrinsically linked. ?I've personally seen a video podcast about this >> topic, and found it so interesting that I had to invite Prof. Philip Wadler >> to speak for Cafe Sci. ?The link between these two topics is deeper and more >> intriguing that it might initially appear. >> >> >> Title: ?"Proofs are Programs: 19th Century Logic and 21st Century >> Computing". >> Date: Monday 16th March >> Time: 8.30pm >> Place: Filmhouse cafe bar, lothian road >> >> >> As the 19th century drew to a close, logicians formalized an ideal >> notion of proof. They were driven by nothing other than an abiding >> interest in truth, and their proofs were as ethereal as the mind of >> God. Yet within decades these mathematical abstractions were realized >> by the hand of man, in the digital stored-program computer. How it >> came to be recognized that proofs and programs are the same is a >> story that spans a century, a chase with as many twists and turns as a >> thriller. At the end of the story is a principle for designing >> programming languages that will guide computers into the 21st century. >> >> >> Apologies about the lack of a poster, this definitely does not reflect on >> the quality of the talk, but on our artist in residence reaching her final >> exams in her Masters. ?Please spread the talk's details by word of mouth. >> >> Also watch out for a summary of the Edinburgh Cafe Sci talk, "Why robots >> won't rule the world" based on a talk given by Chris Malcolm in February >> 2008, coming out in the May issue of the EUSci magazine (Edinburgh Science >> Magazine) available at all university building and Blackwells. >> http://www.eusci.org/. ?It's sure to be jam-packed with interesting >> scientific articles, my favourite is about the axolotl's amazing ability to >> regrow their tails, but also other interesting topics such as the 'love' >> pheromone oxytocin, and light pollution . ?This is my first published Cafe >> Sci summary, hopefully more are to follow. ?For the rest check out >> https://www.wiki.ed.ac.uk/display/PSCT/Cafe+Scientifique. >> >> As always cafe sci is free and open to everyone but please either drop me >> a quick email or reply to the facebook group so we have a rough idea of >> numbers. >> >> Hope to see you there, >> >> Edward Duca >> >> -- >> Edinburgh caf? sci >> >> cafe.sci.edinburgh at googlemail.com >> >> www.cafescientifique.org >> > > > The University of Edinburgh is a charitable body, registered in > Scotland, with registration number SC005336. > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From antonia.mayer at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 04:31:20 2009 From: antonia.mayer at gmail.com (Antonia Mayer) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 11:31:20 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Emergency Parrot Message-ID: Hi! I've been lurking, skimming the archives, ever since I last dropped by a meeting... a year ago already? Anyways, if there's a concerted move to meet at the Cumberland Bar tonight, I'd come by. Cheers, Toni On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 08:57:18AM +0000, Murray wrote: > On Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 11:35:19PM +0000, Chris Yocum wrote: > > > So what are the plans for this, if not on the 17th? > > I agree the 17th would be a bad day. Beyond that, urm. Might I suggest... the 18th? Or do we need to Doodle this sucker? As for venue, I believe someone suggested the Cumberland Bar, which I've been meaning to visit for a while anyway. Miles From miles at assyrian.org.uk Wed Mar 18 10:55:29 2009 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 17:55:29 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting? Message-ID: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> So, are we having the Emergency Parrot Social? I've got stuff on in the early part of the evening, but should be able to make it along some time after 9pm. Miles -- A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly. Specialization is for insects. -- Robert A. Heinlein From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Thu Mar 19 02:58:16 2009 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 09:58:16 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20090319095816.GI8453@aaroncrane.co.uk> Miles Gould writes: > So, are we having the Emergency Parrot Social? I've got stuff on in > the early part of the evening, but should be able to make it along > some time after 9pm. Sorry, I won't be able to make it. Probably not to the regular meeting next week, either -- I've got way too much on this month. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From perl at minty.org Thu Mar 19 03:04:21 2009 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:04:21 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> References: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> Message-ID: <20090319100421.GG5368@minty.org> On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 05:55:29PM +0000, Miles Gould wrote: > So, are we having the Emergency Parrot Social? I've got stuff on in the > early part of the evening, but should be able to make it along some time > after 9pm. Parrot did hit 1.0 on Tuesday, which I still think is a big goal worth celebrating. http://www.parrot.org/ Sadly, I'm busy for the next few evenings now :/ From robrwo at gmail.com Wed Mar 18 01:49:40 2009 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2009 08:49:40 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] So parrot 1.0 was apparently released.... Message-ID: <49C0B5A4.2080200@gmail.com> ...but the http://www.parrot.org website is down. From miles at assyrian.org.uk Thu Mar 19 03:51:55 2009 From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 10:51:55 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20090319100421.GG5368@minty.org>; from perl@minty.org on Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:04:21AM +0000 References: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> <20090319100421.GG5368@minty.org> Message-ID: <20090319105155.A9990@assyrian.org.uk> On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 10:04:21AM +0000, Murray wrote: > Parrot did hit 1.0 on Tuesday, which I still think is a big goal worth > celebrating. http://www.parrot.org/ > > Sadly, I'm busy for the next few evenings now :/ Well, let's all raise a glass to the Parrot crew at our meeting next Thursday. Miles -- Real Programmers use 'cat > a.out'. -- seen on the Internet From robrwo at gmail.com Thu Mar 19 12:17:42 2009 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 19:17:42 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20090319095816.GI8453@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> <20090319095816.GI8453@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: I won't be able to make it tonight. Anyhow, it's short notice to invite people from other groups. Speaking of which, I've downloaded and built it, but not done anything else with it yet. On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 9:58 AM, Aaron Crane wrote: > Miles Gould writes: >> So, are we having the Emergency Parrot Social? I've got stuff on in >> the early part of the evening, but should be able to make it along >> some time after 9pm. > > Sorry, I won't be able to make it. ?Probably not to the regular > meeting next week, either -- I've got way too much on this month. > > -- > Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From robert at interactive.co.uk Fri Mar 20 03:34:44 2009 From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder) Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2009 10:34:44 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20090319095816.GI8453@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20090318175529.A1732@assyrian.org.uk> <20090319095816.GI8453@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <7b89f0790903200334y72367494w12e41fe1b881f95@mail.gmail.com> 2009/3/19 Aaron Crane : > Miles Gould writes: >> So, are we having the Emergency Parrot Social? I've got stuff on in >> the early part of the evening, but should be able to make it along >> some time after 9pm. > > Sorry, I won't be able to make it. ?Probably not to the regular > meeting next week, either -- I've got way too much on this month. > I couldn't make it either, because I was rehearsing. Yes, this is your chance to see a (not very) well known Edinburgh Perlmonger trying to look like he knows what he's supposed to be doing while waving drum sticks as thick as broom handles. At the Church Hill Theatre at 7:30 on the 5th of April. You can see the poster at http://www.3lg.org/~robert/bigbangposter.jpg promises "exhilarating rhythms, dynamic choreography and explosive energy" But I'll be there, too (and before you ask, that's not me when my hair was long.) Be there, or be somewhere else. Robert. -- Robert Inder 0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213 Interactive Information Ltd, 3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689 Interactions speak louder than words From robert at interactive.co.uk Sun Mar 22 14:59:24 2009 From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder) Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 21:59:24 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Croquet Message-ID: <7b89f0790903221459g4d5ae31cn2feabfaee9d16647@mail.gmail.com> Last year, some of you that came to the croquet evening I organised expressed interest in playing more. I am thinking of organising another Perlmongers' evening, perhaps in June. But for those of you who might want to get a bit better at it, the Croquet club is running an introductory course again this year. The club's flyer says... Come and Try Croquet The Meadows Croquet Club is running a course of four introductory sessions on Mondays from may 4th to May 25th, 2009. You can join either the afternoon sessions, which run from 3.30 to 5.30 pm, or the evening sessions, from 6.30 to 8.30 pm. You will then be entitled to join a further two regular club sessions. All you need is a pair of flat-soled shoes (eg trainers). The course costs ?30, which will be refunded if you join the club at the end of the course. Give it a try --- you'll probably be surprised! For more details contact us at tel: 0870 746 2583 email: info at meadowscroquet.org.uk web: www.meadowscroquet.org.uk Or, of course, you can ask me at a Perlmongers meeting. Robert. -- Robert Inder 0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213 Interactive Information Ltd, 3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689 Interactions speak louder than words From perl at minty.org Tue Mar 24 14:48:32 2009 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 21:48:32 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Extreme LED sheep art Message-ID: <20090324214832.GI27986@minty.org> Sadly can't make it this Thursday. I offer this as my penance (via W.Gibson blog) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw "I'm sure some of them pong" From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Tue Mar 24 15:28:52 2009 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2009 22:28:52 +0000 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Extreme LED sheep art In-Reply-To: <20090324214832.GI27986@minty.org> References: <20090324214832.GI27986@minty.org> Message-ID: <20090324222852.GO7909@aaroncrane.co.uk> Murray writes: > Sadly can't make it this Thursday. Nor me, I'm afraid -- still too busy. Though I hope to have some possibly-interesting news by next month. > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2FX9rviEhw That's quite cool (if completely insane), but it does make me wonder if it's been shooped (or whatever the video equivalent is). -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/