From robert at interactive.co.uk  Wed Jul  2 09:47:22 2008
From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder)
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:47:22 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Croquet
Message-ID: <7b89f0790807020947y30988f66yc144c3c05198924f@mail.gmail.com>

OK, so...

The 18th having now become "not OK" for me, I've decided to plump
for Friday the 11th for the PM Croquet.

We've got 5 people "signed up" (you know who you are), and I know
of another possible attendee.  But since we can comfortably
accommodate 8 on a lawn, there is room for more!

Robert.

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Robert Inder                                0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213
Interactive Information Ltd,   3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH
Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689
                                            Interactions speak louder than words

From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 07:20:58 2008
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:20:58 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 9th July
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Message-ID: <20080707142058.GJ24929@aaroncrane.co.uk>

Robert Inder writes:
> The 18th having now become "not OK" for me, I've decided to plump
> for Friday the 11th for the PM Croquet.

I also note that this Wednesday is the second of the month, and
therefore the date for our regular meeting.  And I can't see any
reason why croquet on Friday should interfere with beer on
Wednesday. :-)

So, I'll be in the Guildford Arms on Wednesday as usual.  See you
all there.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From robert at interactive.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 07:29:52 2008
From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:29:52 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 9th July
In-Reply-To: <20080707142058.GJ24929@aaroncrane.co.uk>
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	<20080707142058.GJ24929@aaroncrane.co.uk>
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On Mon, Jul 7, 2008 at 3:20 PM, Aaron Crane <perl at aaroncrane.co.uk> wrote:
> Robert Inder writes:
>> The 18th having now become "not OK" for me, I've decided to plump
>> for Friday the 11th for the PM Croquet.
>
> I also note that this Wednesday is the second of the month, and
> therefore the date for our regular meeting.  And I can't see any
> reason why croquet on Friday should interfere with beer on
> Wednesday. :-)

Well, that depends on how MUCH beer you have on Wednesday, doesn't it!

>
> So, I'll be in the Guildford Arms on Wednesday as usual.  See you
> all there.

I'll be along, albeit only after 9.

Robert.

-- 
Robert Inder                                0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213
Interactive Information Ltd,   3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH
Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689
                                            Interactions speak louder than words

From kevin at theconfused.co.uk  Mon Jul  7 07:48:45 2008
From: kevin at theconfused.co.uk (Kevin White)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 15:48:45 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Job Seeking?
Message-ID: <110CC257-82D1-4360-A81E-F48E53791F0C@theconfused.co.uk>

Lo folks,

I know the site says 'job seeking' but I just wanted to check: ok if I  
chuck a job seeking post up?

Cheers,

Kevin


From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  7 10:27:31 2008
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:27:31 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Wednesday 9th
Message-ID: <1e11fb0e0807071027l1815609bqd729a099580efce6@mail.gmail.com>

Its the 2nd Wednesday of the Month for the Guildford Arms,19:30

--
Andrew
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From robrwo at gmail.com  Wed Jul  9 16:34:25 2008
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:34:25 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Annual picnic
Message-ID: <48754B01.6060106@gmail.com>


I overheard some talk about the the picnic. Any ideas on when to have it?

Will it be at Calton Hill again?


Rob

From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 10 01:50:23 2008
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:50:23 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Annual picnic
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How about a dry sunny warm evening.   What about designating the next
meeting in August, as the pubs will be full of festival folk. We can take a
*rain check* nearer the time, pun intended!
Andrew

2008/7/10 Robert Rothenberg <robrwo at gmail.com>:

>
> I overheard some talk about the the picnic. Any ideas on when to have it?
>
> Will it be at Calton Hill again?
>
>
> Rob
> _______________________________________________
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From robert at interactive.co.uk  Thu Jul 10 03:34:14 2008
From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:34:14 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Croquet Evening
Message-ID: <7b89f0790807100334r1e74055ds2946f583b1706fd9@mail.gmail.com>

I think I caught most of you last night, but here's the low-down.

The Perlongers croquet is TOMORROW evening, and the Meadows
Croquet club which (none too surprisingly) is located at the West end
of the Meadows.  The club is mostly surrounded by fairly high hedges, but
if you go to the swing park at the bottom of Bruntsfield Links and face into
town, you'll be looking over the lawns.  Use the gate next to
the pavillion (i.e. NOT the one right next to the swing park).

I intend to get there a bit before six to set out the lawn(s).
Arrive as soon as you like after that!  You can start by just
messing about getting the feel of hitting a ball with a mallet
and going through hoops and such like.  When there are enough
folk there, they can start playing Golf croquet, which is the
simpler game you can play on a croquet lawn.  After people have
had a while doing that, I'll run over the rules of Association Croquet,
which is the more complex game that involves building "breaks"
the way you do in snooker.   It's the sort of game that
can fry your brain, but it also seems to appeal to computer types!

Then folk can either play more golf or have a shot at Association.

Then we go to the pub:-)

There is no particular plan for food: if you want to bring a sarnie or
similar, you can eat it in the pavilion.  Otherwise, the Bombay Bicycle
Club is on the way to Cloisters...

The only restriction is SOFT SOLED SHOES.  The softer the better:-)
Especially if it is going to be raining during the day, since that
will soften the lawns.  So look out you trainers or similar.

Since we live in Scotland, you may also want to dress bearing
in mind the possibility of rain.

The cost is 5 pounds which includes use of the lawn and a
hitting stick.

See you tomorrow evening.

Robert.

-- 
Robert Inder                                0131 229 1052 / 07808 492 213
Interactive Information Ltd,   3, Lauriston Gardens, Edinburgh EH3 9HH
Registered in Scotland, Company no. SC 150689
                                            Interactions speak louder than words

From perl at minty.org  Thu Jul 10 03:50:39 2008
From: perl at minty.org (Murray)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:50:39 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Croquet Evening
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References: <7b89f0790807100334r1e74055ds2946f583b1706fd9@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 11:34:14AM +0100, Robert Inder wrote:
> The Perlongers croquet is TOMORROW evening, and the Meadows
> Croquet club which (none too surprisingly) is located at the West end
> of the Meadows.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=55.94175&lon=-3.20039&zoom=17&layers=B00FTF

http://tinyurl.com/6bhln4

From kevin at theconfused.co.uk  Thu Jul 10 04:40:11 2008
From: kevin at theconfused.co.uk (Kevin White)
Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 12:40:11 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Job Seeking
Message-ID: <7B0D58E4-0B5B-4F16-B807-D8B6C4A6AD34@theconfused.co.uk>

Lo Folks,

I am not quite new to Edinburgh but am looking for a new job. I know  
all the usual suspects for job hunting (jobserve, cwjobs, monster,  
jobs.perl) and use them regularly. What I was hoping was that someone  
on the list would be able to point me towards companies within  
Edinburgh or the close environs that use the talents of a Perl  
developer.

I am looking for either a contract or a permanent position (although  
permie is difficult due to the number of mouths to feed!). I have  
worked as a software engineer for over 10 years, most of that time  
with Perl although I have also dabbled in PHP, Python, Ruby, Java and  
others. This work has inevitably involved the odd database: MySQL,  
PostgreSQL, Informix, Oracle. Some sample projects and clients:

Oxford University Press (Journals)  - Technical Team Leader - most of  
this work was with Perl using HTML::Mason. Included their CMS, e- 
commerce and an events management system.
HSBC - Software Engineer - Again Perl with a splashing of Java. Used  
WebGUI for an intranet and did a lot of work on a reconciliation  
reporting system for the Alternative Funds Service.
Oxford GlycoSciences - Software Engineer - Mix of work with their  
laboratory information system and also a monstrous database of open  
source genomic and protenomic data.

I have also had a couple of roles as a usability and accessibility  
consultant within Edinburgh. This included many of the usual tasks  
within user centred design such as requirements gathering, profiling,  
task analysis, wire framing and prototyping, usability and  
accessibility testing and heuristic evaluations.

My full CV  is available at http://www.dewoollery.co.uk/kevin_cv.pdf

If anyone knows of companies that are or might be looking for someone  
with my skills I would love to hear from you. Or if anyone knows of a  
well hidden source of freelance work I would love to know.

Feel free to pass this on to any decision makers that you know of, it  
would be most appreciated.

Thanks a lot,

Kevin

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From robrwo at gmail.com  Sat Jul 12 12:08:15 2008
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:08:15 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Annual picnic
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On 10/07/08 09:50 A Smith wrote:
> How about a dry sunny warm evening.   What about designating the next
> meeting in August, as the pubs will be full of festival folk. We can take a
> *rain check* nearer the time, pun intended!

Good point. Guilford Arms is unbreable during the festival.


From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk  Sun Jul 13 08:04:53 2008
From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane)
Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 16:04:53 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Annual picnic
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	<1e11fb0e0807100150j3a5c5ff0ud889d0330e2974d@mail.gmail.com>
	<4879011F.8000100@gmail.com>
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Robert Rothenberg writes:
> On 10/07/08 09:50 A Smith wrote:
>> How about a dry sunny warm evening.  What about designating the
>> next meeting in August, as the pubs will be full of festival
>> folk.
>
> Good point. Guilford Arms is unbreable during the festival.

I'm definitely not against the August meeting being a non-pub meeting.
But I think the trickiest part of picnic planning is finding a day
with suitable weather, and waiting till mid-August for our first
attempt just makes life harder.

Here's my proposal: let's pick, say, this coming Wednesday (16th
July).  If it's not sunny in the morning, we punt, and roll it over to
the following week.  Then lather/rinse/repeat until we've found a
sunny Wednesday.

-- 
Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/

From robrwo at gmail.com  Tue Jul 15 03:26:54 2008
From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg)
Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:26:54 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Annual picnic
In-Reply-To: <20080713150453.GN1859@aaroncrane.co.uk>
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	<20080713150453.GN1859@aaroncrane.co.uk>
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I'm game, but the next couple of weeks will be busy for me. So  I may not 
make it.

On 13/07/08 16:04 Aaron Crane wrote:

> I'm definitely not against the August meeting being a non-pub meeting.
> But I think the trickiest part of picnic planning is finding a day
> with suitable weather, and waiting till mid-August for our first
> attempt just makes life harder.
> 
> Here's my proposal: let's pick, say, this coming Wednesday (16th
> July).  If it's not sunny in the morning, we punt, and roll it over to
> the following week.  Then lather/rinse/repeat until we've found a
> sunny Wednesday.
> 


From asmith9983 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 19 11:16:08 2008
From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (A Smith)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:16:08 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] perl one-liner problem
Message-ID: <1e11fb0e0807191116h59734d08l6e69fce14d011adf@mail.gmail.com>

I was trying the Perl one liner below but it complains about an *unrecognized
switch*. despite this the value is passed into the code.  I was trying to
avoid a full script file with a getopts and its baggage.
perl -s -e "print $oldage;" -oldage=abc

Anyone got an idea what will work.
Andrew
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From aferreira at shopzilla.com  Sat Jul 19 12:07:41 2008
From: aferreira at shopzilla.com (Adriano Ferreira)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 16:07:41 -0300
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] perl one-liner problem
In-Reply-To: <1e11fb0e0807191116h59734d08l6e69fce14d011adf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1e11fb0e0807191116h59734d08l6e69fce14d011adf@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 3:16 PM, A Smith <asmith9983 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I was trying the Perl one liner below but it complains about an unrecognized
> switch. despite this the value is passed into the code.  I was trying to
> avoid a full script file with a getopts and its baggage.
> perl -s -e "print $oldage;" -oldage=abc

It seems like you need '--' to stop perl for interpreting the
command-line arguments:

perl -s -e "print $oldage;" -- -oldage=abc

> Anyone got an idea what will work.
> Andrew
>
> _______________________________________________
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From miles at assyrian.org.uk  Sat Jul 19 15:54:58 2008
From: miles at assyrian.org.uk (Miles Gould)
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 23:54:58 +0100
Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] perl one-liner problem
In-Reply-To: <73ddeb6c0807191207h18171a6fo7be1551ed5148dd4@mail.gmail.com>;
	from aferreira@shopzilla.com on Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 04:07:41PM
	-0300
References: <1e11fb0e0807191116h59734d08l6e69fce14d011adf@mail.gmail.com>
	<73ddeb6c0807191207h18171a6fo7be1551ed5148dd4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080719235458.A31408@assyrian.org.uk>

On Sat, Jul 19, 2008 at 04:07:41PM -0300, Adriano Ferreira wrote:
> It seems like you need '--' to stop perl for interpreting the
> command-line arguments:
> 
> perl -s -e "print $oldage;" -- -oldage=abc

Or rather,

perl -s -e 'print $oldage;' -- -oldage=abc

or else your script will suffer variable interpolation by the shell, and
your '$oldage' will be replaced by the nonexistent shell variable
$oldage, leaving perl to execute the script

print ;

which probably isn't what you wanted :-)

HTH,
Miles

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