From cyocum at gmail.com Thu Apr 3 03:02:59 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 11:02:59 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] It's Done!!! Message-ID: <82bb54530804030302j1098470bof52b2b8a90247d1e@mail.gmail.com> Hi Everyone, After four long years, I have just printed, bound, and delivered my PhD Thesis to the College of Humanities and Social Science. I would like to thank everyone who has encouraged me and seen me through this entire process. I have learned much about early Ireland, about modern Scotland, and about myself. To celebrate this milestone, I would like to invite as many as can make it to Sandy Bell's on Forrest Road for a pint around 6:00pm. I hope to see many of you there! All the best, Chris Yocum From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Sun Apr 6 03:08:24 2008 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:08:24 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Meeting Wednesday 9th April Message-ID: <20080406100823.GB7515@aaroncrane.co.uk> So here we are again: our regular meeting is at the Guildford Arms, 7:30pm, Wednesday 9th April. And just to provide some advance notice: I'm additionally trying to arrange an "emergency" social meeting for shortly thereafter, because noted Perl monger Michael Schwern will be in town for a few days: http://use.perl.org/~schwern/journal/36012 Any specific dates that are good or bad for anyone? -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From rory.macdonald at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 03:43:35 2008 From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:43:35 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] TodoTracker - get money for fixing TODO tests Message-ID: FYI, from Thomas Klausner Hi! It took a bit (ok, a lot) longer than planned, but Vienna.pm [0] is proud to annouce the first working prototype of the Management System for TODO Test Bounties (aka Todo Tracker) as part of the Vienna.pm Winter^WSpring of Code [1]: http://todo.useperl.at> If you're a maintainer of a Perl project and have something that needs doing head to the the Todo Tracker and enter a TODO test for your project. Vienna.pm will review all submitted Todo tests. Accepted Todos will be published so that people willing to implement the features / fix the bugs can apply to do them. Providing the project maintainers agree, the implementor gets some time to do his/her work and will hopefully come back with a result that fulfils the test stated with the project. When this is done and the project maintainers verify that their Todo is fixed, Vienna.pm pays the specified amount into the implementor's bank account. The TODO Tracker was implemented by Matt S Trout, who donated the ?1,000 earmarked for the development back into the TODO Budget for Catalyst and DBIC related projects. It is still a bit work in progress, but we want to go ahead before this turns into a Summer of Code... Vienna.pm plans to spend up to ?4,000, plus ?1,000 more for Catalyst / DBIx::Class projects. We would again like to thank all Sponsors and Attendees of YAPC::Europe 2007 [2] who made this project possible by making the YAPC such a big success. You can find more information on how this project works in our wiki [3]. If you have any questions, suggestions or bug-reports, please send them to todo-tracker at rt.useperl.at, where a friendly RT will record them. 0: http://vienna.pm.org/ 1: http://woc.useperl.at/ 2: http://vienna.yapceurope.org/ye2007/sponsors.html 3: http://socialtext.useperl.at/vienna-pm/index.cgi?todo_tracker -- #!/usr/bin/perl http://domm.plix.at for(ref bless{},just'another'perl'hacker){s-:+-$"-g&&print$_.$/} -- From rory.macdonald at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 03:52:14 2008 From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:52:14 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] perl training deadline Message-ID: FYI from Uri Guttman the perl college is scheduled for april 28 - may 2. if you plan to participate please submit your student or sponsorship application soon. there are still a few slots open for students and sponsors as well as training seats that can be purchased. this is a week of intermediate perl classes taught by damian conway, the foremost perl trainer on the planet. it is FREE to qualified students who are looking to go from a junior developer to the intermediate level. this is meant to train you up so that you are more likely to be hired in a better perl job. see this page on how to apply for a free seat at the perl college: http://perlhunter.com/students.html if you are a company looking to hire qualified perl developers, please apply to be a sponsor of the perl college. this will gain you access to about 20 well trained developers who are actively looking to take the next step in their perl career. the placement fees for students graduating the perl college are negotiable. for information on how to be a sponsor see this page: http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html if you are already working and would like to attend this week of perl classes, you can buy a seat for $3000. please contact me at uri AT perlhunter.com to purchase a seat or to ask me any questions. thanx, uri, dean of the perl college. -- Uri Guttman ------ uri at stemsystems.com -------- http://www.sysarch.com -- ----- Perl Code Review , Architecture, Development, Training, Support ------ --------- Free Perl Training --- http://perlhunter.com/college.html --------- --------- Gourmet Hot Cocoa Mix ---- http://bestfriendscocoa.com --------- -- From rory.macdonald at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 03:54:46 2008 From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 11:54:46 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Nordic Perl Workshop 2008 - Call for Papers & Participation Message-ID: FYI from Claes Jakobsson Nordic Perl Workshop 2008 - Call for Papers & Participation ----------------------------------------------------------- Stockholm Perl Mongers and its fellow Nordic Perl Mongers arranges the annual Nordic Perl Workshop in Stockholm, Sweden on the 24th and 25th of May (over a weekend). This is the second time the workshop is arranged in Stockholm and the 6th time in total. The venue for this years workshop is located right next to Vasaparken near Odenplan, in the heart of Stockholm. During summertime this is a green oasis where one can chill in the grass, watch people or take a break in some of the park's coffee-shops. Odenplan also offers a wide range of restaurants and pubs in it's vicinity. Nordic Perl Workshop is a workshop for the community by the community and we want you to submit interesting and inspiring presentations in order to make the workshop successful. Talk lengths are the usual 20 and 40 minutes but we might consider longer ones if motivated. Any subject is welcome as long as it's related to Perl somehow - from algorithms for social graphing and web-technologies to Perl5 core optimizations and language implementation targeting the Parrot VM. To submit a talk either do it online on the workshop website[1] or to claes at surfar.nu . If submitting via email please prefix the subject with [NPW]. Please submit talks no later than Friday 2nd of May. Accepted speakers will be notified Monday 5th of May. Apart from speakers the workshop also requires eager participants. Workshop fee is 500 SEK (~ 55 EUR) and there's a reduced fee at 250 SEK (~ 28 EUR) for students. This includes admission to the workshop and coffee. Registration is done via the website[1] which uses ACT so if you have attended a previous workshop registration is dead simple. [1] Website is not online yet but we're working on it really hard. The URL is as always http://www.perlworkshop.dk/ Important dates to remember: May 2nd - Deadline for talk submission May 5th - Speakers will be notified May 16th - Registration closes May 23th - Pre-work gathering for early arrivals May 24-25th - Nordic Perl Workshop 2008 Hope to see you in Stockholm. Claes Jakobsson on behalf of the Nordic Perl Workshop 2008 organization team. From rory.macdonald at gmail.com Sun Apr 6 04:08:04 2008 From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald) Date: Sun, 6 Apr 2008 12:08:04 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Call for Venue for YAPC::Europe 2009 Message-ID: FYI from Thomas Klausner Hi! While we are all looking forward to YAPC::Europe 2008 in Copenhagen [0], it's time for the YAPC::Europe Venue Committee to consider suitable hosts for the 2009 conference. Any dedicated group interested in hosting YAPC::Europe::2009 should send a brief statement of intent to venue at yapceurope.org as soon as possible. For this first statement of intent a few lines like "City.pm is interested in hosting YAPC::Europe 2009" will be enough. A full and complete application should then be sent to the same address prior to the deadline for applications, which is June 30, 2008. The YAPC::Europe Venue Committee will inform applicants by July 31, 2008 if their proposal was chosen. The public announcement of the location for the 2009 conference will be announced during the 2008 conference in Copenhagen. For more information about the requirements for hosting a conference, you may want to refer to the YAPC organiser's documentation [1] (administered by TPF) on Google code, or look at the examples of previous European conferences [2]. Please direct any questions to venue at yapceurope.org, and a member of the committee will endeavour to respond as soon as possible. Looking forward to your submissions, Thomas Klausner on behalf of the YAPC::Europe Venue Committee 0: http://www.yapceurope2008.org/ye2008/ 1: http://tpf.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/yapc/YAPC.pm 2: http://www.yapceurope.org/yapc_proposals/index.html -- #!/usr/bin/perl http://domm.plix.at for(ref bless{},just'another'perl'hacker){s-:+-$"-g&&print$_.$/} -- From rory.macdonald at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 09:48:45 2008 From: rory.macdonald at gmail.com (Rory Macdonald) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 17:48:45 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] bahhhh Message-ID: sigh - I can't make it tonight. least not on time. grumble. Interested in the emergency social, so hope Aaron has something +ve to report on that front :-) Chris - I'll buy you a celebratory end of Ph.D Guinness next time. Rory From cyocum at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 10:04:35 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 18:04:35 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] bahhhh In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <82bb54530804091004k45b0dcf8gabe5de4d688c7fd9@mail.gmail.com> Hi Rory, No problem! I hope to see you at the emergency social. Chris On Wed, Apr 9, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Rory Macdonald wrote: > sigh - I can't make it tonight. least not on time. grumble. > > Interested in the emergency social, so hope Aaron has something +ve to > report on that front :-) > > Chris - I'll buy you a celebratory end of Ph.D Guinness next time. > > Rory > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From cyocum at gmail.com Thu Apr 10 05:36:57 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:36:57 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? Message-ID: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, During the meeting last night, I was discussing the possibility of having an Edinburgh Hackathon hosted in my flat. This seemed like a good idea to everyone but I wanted to post the idea to the list to see what others thought. My first impulse would be to have a theme to hack around and my first thought on that was Parrot but I am open to other ideas. Essentally, I would provide the space, internet connection, and facilities while everyone else brought drinks and food. There is one restriction as my flatmates will be in exam time very soon that the date for the hackathon would be after May 15th. Anyway, comments and suggestions are very welcome. Chris From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Sun Apr 13 07:49:28 2008 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:49:28 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh.pm In-Reply-To: <480149CA.9000907@pobox.com> References: <20080406193906.GC7515@aaroncrane.co.uk> <480149CA.9000907@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> Michael G Schwern writes: > Hi, sorry for not getting back sooner, I've been dropping a lot of > email on the floor while traveling. Not to worry, I know how that goes. > Yes, I'm in town now and have some time! I'll be leaving Tuesday > morning so any time before then for an emergency social would be > great. I'm staying with a friend in Newington and I don't have any > concrete plans while I'm here. Just tell me when and where. Excellent. Given that it's already Sunday afternoon, that leaves Monday evening as the most likely option. I propose we go to the Whisky Society at 28 Queen Street: https://www.smws.co.uk/venues/queen_st.php (They have another branch in Leith, which I slightly prefer, but it's closed on Monday evenings.) It has lots of interesting single-cask whiskies, and tasty (if not exactly cheap) bar food. It's members-and-guests only, but I think we have enough members on the list to get in everyone who wants to come. How does 7pm sound? > PS Is the scotch whiskey museum and Camera Obscura on Royal Mile > worth it? They seemed more than a little touristy. I've not been to either, and I'm sure they're touristy, but I think I've also heard good things about them. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From cyocum at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 07:59:22 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 15:59:22 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh.pm In-Reply-To: <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080406193906.GC7515@aaroncrane.co.uk> <480149CA.9000907@pobox.com> <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <82bb54530804130759q336d80beraeab4ef757dbb4c8@mail.gmail.com> Hi Guys, Count me in! Anyway, I have been to the whiskey museum on the Royal Mile and it was a bit hokey for my tastes but you get a discount at their store after and a good speciality whiskey glass as well. I have not been to the Camera Obscura though. I am looking forward the meeting! Chris On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Aaron Crane wrote: > Michael G Schwern writes: > > Hi, sorry for not getting back sooner, I've been dropping a lot of > > email on the floor while traveling. > > Not to worry, I know how that goes. > > > Yes, I'm in town now and have some time! I'll be leaving Tuesday > > morning so any time before then for an emergency social would be > > great. I'm staying with a friend in Newington and I don't have any > > concrete plans while I'm here. Just tell me when and where. > > Excellent. Given that it's already Sunday afternoon, that leaves > Monday evening as the most likely option. I propose we go to the > Whisky Society at 28 Queen Street: > > https://www.smws.co.uk/venues/queen_st.php > > (They have another branch in Leith, which I slightly prefer, but it's > closed on Monday evenings.) > > It has lots of interesting single-cask whiskies, and tasty (if not > exactly cheap) bar food. > > It's members-and-guests only, but I think we have enough members on > the list to get in everyone who wants to come. > > How does 7pm sound? > > > PS Is the scotch whiskey museum and Camera Obscura on Royal Mile > > worth it? They seemed more than a little touristy. > > I've not been to either, and I'm sure they're touristy, but I think > I've also heard good things about them. > > -- > Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From asmith9983 at gmail.com Sun Apr 13 13:26:31 2008 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (asmith9983 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:26:31 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Another vim question Message-ID: I want to run the following vim ex command 10 times :r !date to insert 10 lines of data into my file, but I don't know how to execute an ex command "count" times. -- Andrew From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Sun Apr 13 13:36:13 2008 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 21:36:13 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Another vim question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080413203613.GG7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> asmith9983 at gmail.com writes: > I want to run the following vim ex command 10 times > > :r !date > > to insert 10 lines of data into my file, but I don't know how to > execute an ex command "count" times. :for i in range(1, 10) : r !date :endfor You should only need to type the first colon; Vim knows that you're in the middle of a loop, so it'll fill in the second and third for you. -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From jules-turnbull at zetnet.co.uk Sun Apr 13 14:38:30 2008 From: jules-turnbull at zetnet.co.uk (Julian Turnbull) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:38:30 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh.pm In-Reply-To: <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080406193906.GC7515@aaroncrane.co.uk> <480149CA.9000907@pobox.com> <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <48027D56.7080904@zetnet.co.uk> >> PS Is the scotch whiskey museum and Camera Obscura on Royal Mile >> worth it? They seemed more than a little touristy. >> > > I've not been to either, and I'm sure they're touristy, but I think > I've also heard good things about them. > > Years since I've been to the Camera Obscura, but it's worth going at least once - preferably on a sunny day. They've probably changed the exhibits you see on the way up since I was there, so I won't comment on them, but the Camera proper is good. You know perfectly well that you're seeing a projection of the current scene outside, but somehow all the cues tell you it's a static image, until something happens to remind you it isn't. Julian. From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Sun Apr 13 14:55:58 2008 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick Woolley) Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2008 22:55:58 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh.pm In-Reply-To: <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080406193906.GC7515@aaroncrane.co.uk> <480149CA.9000907@pobox.com> <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <4802816E.8050307@yahoo.co.uk> Hi, I'll come along with my membership card, and hopefully I'll be on time. I think I can sign in three people. N From perl at minty.org Mon Apr 14 04:08:21 2008 From: perl at minty.org (Murray) Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 12:08:21 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh.pm In-Reply-To: <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> References: <20080406193906.GC7515@aaroncrane.co.uk> <480149CA.9000907@pobox.com> <20080413144928.GD7278@aaroncrane.co.uk> Message-ID: <20080414110820.GH6069@minty.org> On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 03:49:28PM +0100, Aaron Crane wrote: > How does 7pm sound? I fear I may not make it. I have airport taxi duties for a flight arriving at 6.50. Thought this might help: http://maps.google.com/?q=EH2%201JX Have fun :) From cyocum at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 07:13:28 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 15:13:28 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> Hi All, I think I have been Warnock'ed. I had a discussion with Aaron at the emergency social and he suggested that we have the hackathon at a pub with free wifi. Well, that seems fine to me. I was at the Malt Shovel at the bottom of Cockburn Street yesterday and I noticed that they have free wi-fi and they have a bunch of space. So, I propose that we gather to have a hackathon at the malt shovel instead of my flat. Please respond so I can see how many of you are interested. Chris On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Chris Yocum wrote: > Hi All, > During the meeting last night, I was discussing the possibility > of having an Edinburgh Hackathon hosted in my flat. This seemed like > a good idea to everyone but I wanted to post the idea to the list to > see what others thought. My first impulse would be to have a theme to > hack around and my first thought on that was Parrot but I am open to > other ideas. > Essentally, I would provide the space, internet connection, and > facilities while everyone else brought drinks and food. There is one > restriction as my flatmates will be in exam time very soon that the > date for the hackathon would be after May 15th. Anyway, comments and > suggestions are very welcome. > > Chris > Hi From asmith9983 at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 08:53:49 2008 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (asmith9983 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 16:53:49 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi I notice that the Burger King opposite the Balmoral and just around the corner from The Guildford Arms also advertises free WiFi, but I don't know the T &C's. The University of Edinburgh are usually pretty accommodating to this sort of event, so might give access to WiFi on the ground floor level of Appleton Tower, or maybe even the new Informatics building if it ever gets a completion certificate. -- Andrew On Sun, 20 Apr 2008, Chris Yocum wrote: > Hi All, > I think I have been Warnock'ed. I had a discussion with Aaron at > the emergency social and he suggested that we have the hackathon at a > pub with free wifi. Well, that seems fine to me. I was at the Malt > Shovel at the bottom of Cockburn Street yesterday and I noticed that > they have free wi-fi and they have a bunch of space. So, I propose > that we gather to have a hackathon at the malt shovel instead of my > flat. > Please respond so I can see how many of you are interested. > > Chris > > Hi > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 11:01:13 2008 From: wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com (Wim Vanderbauwhede) Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:01:13 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I missed out on the regular & "emergency" social due to having to be social in Belgium. I'd like to do a hackathon, especially on Parrot. Cheers, Wim On 20/04/2008, Chris Yocum wrote: > > Hi All, > I think I have been Warnock'ed. I had a discussion with Aaron at > the emergency social and he suggested that we have the hackathon at a > pub with free wifi. Well, that seems fine to me. I was at the Malt > Shovel at the bottom of Cockburn Street yesterday and I noticed that > they have free wi-fi and they have a bunch of space. So, I propose > that we gather to have a hackathon at the malt shovel instead of my > flat. > Please respond so I can see how many of you are interested. > > Chris > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Chris Yocum wrote: > > Hi All, > > During the meeting last night, I was discussing the possibility > > of having an Edinburgh Hackathon hosted in my flat. This seemed like > > a good idea to everyone but I wanted to post the idea to the list to > > see what others thought. My first impulse would be to have a theme to > > hack around and my first thought on that was Parrot but I am open to > > other ideas. > > Essentally, I would provide the space, internet connection, and > > facilities while everyone else brought drinks and food. There is one > > restriction as my flatmates will be in exam time very soon that the > > date for the hackathon would be after May 15th. Anyway, comments and > > suggestions are very welcome. > > > > Chris > > > > > Hi > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -- If it's pointless, what's the point? If there is a point to it, what's the point? (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080420/acbdd392/attachment.html From cyocum at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 16:08:25 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:08:25 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <82bb54530804201608r6bbb791s21d1031c99ffe565@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Well, according to my email, we are moving into the forum in six weeks time so I don't think the U of Ed will want to have this kind of event until after the move. I am not so sure about having a hackathon in the burger king when the Malt Shovel is the same distance away from Waverly Station but I could be persuaded if everyone else agrees. Chris On Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Wim Vanderbauwhede wrote: > Hi all, > > I missed out on the regular & "emergency" social due to having to be social > in Belgium. > I'd like to do a hackathon, especially on Parrot. > > Cheers, > > Wim > > > > On 20/04/2008, Chris Yocum wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > I think I have been Warnock'ed. I had a discussion with Aaron at > > the emergency social and he suggested that we have the hackathon at a > > pub with free wifi. Well, that seems fine to me. I was at the Malt > > Shovel at the bottom of Cockburn Street yesterday and I noticed that > > they have free wi-fi and they have a bunch of space. So, I propose > > that we gather to have a hackathon at the malt shovel instead of my > > flat. > > Please respond so I can see how many of you are interested. > > > > Chris > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2008 at 1:36 PM, Chris Yocum wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > During the meeting last night, I was discussing the possibility > > > of having an Edinburgh Hackathon hosted in my flat. This seemed like > > > a good idea to everyone but I wanted to post the idea to the list to > > > see what others thought. My first impulse would be to have a theme to > > > hack around and my first thought on that was Parrot but I am open to > > > other ideas. > > > Essentally, I would provide the space, internet connection, and > > > facilities while everyone else brought drinks and food. There is one > > > restriction as my flatmates will be in exam time very soon that the > > > date for the hackathon would be after May 15th. Anyway, comments and > > > suggestions are very welcome. > > > > > > Chris > > > > > > > > > Hi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > > > > > > -- > If it's pointless, what's the point? > If there is a point to it, what's the point? > (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") From robert at interactive.co.uk Sun Apr 20 16:19:46 2008 From: robert at interactive.co.uk (Robert Inder) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:19:46 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <82bb54530804201608r6bbb791s21d1031c99ffe565@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804201608r6bbb791s21d1031c99ffe565@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7b89f0790804201619x4d924543sf9889b033c9bc20b@mail.gmail.com> At some point, someone is going to have to tell me what is actually going to happen at this event. Parrot has been mentioned, but I'm not sure whether the plan is to implement a Parrot interpreter or what. On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Chris Yocum wrote: > Hi, > Well, according to my email, we are moving into the forum in six > weeks time so I don't think the U of Ed will want to have this kind of > event until after the move. I am not so sure about having a hackathon > in the burger king when the Malt Shovel is the same distance away from > Waverly Station but I could be persuaded if everyone else agrees. Spending a substantial proportion of a day in a Burger King as opposed to (what at least used to be) a put with reasonable beer. Hmmmm.... Tricky.... Robert. -- Robert Inder Interactive Information Ltd, Registered in Scotland 07808 492 213 3, Lauriston Gardens, Company no. SC 150689 0131 229 1052 Edinburgh EH3 9HH SCOTLAND UK Interactions speak louder than words From cyocum at gmail.com Sun Apr 20 16:25:01 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 00:25:01 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <7b89f0790804201619x4d924543sf9889b033c9bc20b@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804201608r6bbb791s21d1031c99ffe565@mail.gmail.com> <7b89f0790804201619x4d924543sf9889b033c9bc20b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <82bb54530804201625l3e1018f7ob6f6bae2195cf480@mail.gmail.com> Hi, My original idea was to help hack on the parrot virtual machine as it stands now in their repository. We will probably need someone to help mentor us via IRC or some such. Otherwise, I am very open to suggestions for the theme for the event. Chris On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:19 AM, Robert Inder wrote: > At some point, someone is going to have to tell me what is actually > going to happen at this event. > > Parrot has been mentioned, but I'm not sure whether the plan is to > implement a Parrot interpreter or what. > > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 12:08 AM, Chris Yocum wrote: > > Hi, > > Well, according to my email, we are moving into the forum in six > > weeks time so I don't think the U of Ed will want to have this kind of > > event until after the move. I am not so sure about having a hackathon > > in the burger king when the Malt Shovel is the same distance away from > > Waverly Station but I could be persuaded if everyone else agrees. > > Spending a substantial proportion of a day in a Burger King as opposed to > (what at least used to be) a put with reasonable beer. > > Hmmmm.... Tricky.... > > Robert. > > -- > Robert Inder Interactive Information Ltd, Registered > in Scotland > 07808 492 213 3, Lauriston Gardens, Company no. SC 150689 > 0131 229 1052 Edinburgh EH3 9HH > SCOTLAND UK Interactions speak > louder than words > From nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk Mon Apr 21 02:38:17 2008 From: nickwoolley at yahoo.co.uk (Nick) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:38:17 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <480C6089.2040401@yahoo.co.uk> Hi, Assuming it doesn't clash with a previous engagement, I'd come along and participate, even if it were just to find out what a Hackathon is or learn something about Parrot. About both of which I know almost nothing, by the way. Is any knowledge or preparation required on behalf of the participants? Is the aim to create something useful that can be sanely checked back into the Parrot repository, or just to learn about Parrot? N From cyocum at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 03:06:19 2008 From: cyocum at gmail.com (Chris Yocum) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:06:19 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <480C6089.2040401@yahoo.co.uk> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> <480C6089.2040401@yahoo.co.uk> Message-ID: <82bb54530804210306t2724708bx9906afb82f64a88f@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Well, there is a wikipedia page about hackathons (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackathon) but this is going to be a bit of an experiment and probably no longer than a day. I would hope that we would have something to check-in but even if it is just to learn something about parrot in a collaborative environment and re-convene another time to do serious hacking, I would call that a success. Chris On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Nick wrote: > Hi, > > Assuming it doesn't clash with a previous engagement, I'd come along and > participate, even if it were just to find out what a Hackathon is or > learn something about Parrot. > > About both of which I know almost nothing, by the way. Is any knowledge > or preparation required on behalf of the participants? Is the aim to > create something useful that can be sanely checked back into the Parrot > repository, or just to learn about Parrot? > > > > N > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > From wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com Mon Apr 21 08:26:47 2008 From: wim.vanderbauwhede at gmail.com (Wim Vanderbauwhede) Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:26:47 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <82bb54530804210306t2724708bx9906afb82f64a88f@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> <480C6089.2040401@yahoo.co.uk> <82bb54530804210306t2724708bx9906afb82f64a88f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I participated in a Parrot hackathon at YAPC::EU last year. It's actually very informal: you identify some bug or issue with Parrot you want to address and start hacking. It of course helps a lot if a Parrot guru like Jonathan or Alison is present :-) However, there are lots of little jobs that need to be done that don't require in-depth knowledge of Parrot, like fixing the build system, writing unit tests etc. For example, I did some work on taking code out of C header files and putting it in proper source files. Have a look at http://www.parrotcode.org/todo.html. I'll freely admit that personally, I would like to hack on the Parrot backend for Pugs, though that may not be very popular :-) Cheers, Wim On 21/04/2008, Chris Yocum wrote: > > Hi, > Well, there is a wikipedia page about hackathons > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hackathon) but this is going to be a bit > of an experiment and probably no longer than a day. I would hope that > we would have something to check-in but even if it is just to learn > something about parrot in a collaborative environment and re-convene > another time to do serious hacking, I would call that a success. > > > Chris > > > On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 10:38 AM, Nick wrote: > > Hi, > > > > Assuming it doesn't clash with a previous engagement, I'd come along > and > > participate, even if it were just to find out what a Hackathon is or > > learn something about Parrot. > > > > About both of which I know almost nothing, by the way. Is any > knowledge > > or preparation required on behalf of the participants? Is the aim to > > create something useful that can be sanely checked back into the Parrot > > repository, or just to learn about Parrot? > > > > > > > > N > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Edinburgh-pm mailing list > Edinburgh-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm > -- If it's pointless, what's the point? If there is a point to it, what's the point? (Tibor Fischer, "The Thought Gang") -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/edinburgh-pm/attachments/20080421/6b2eb3fd/attachment.html From perl at aaroncrane.co.uk Wed Apr 23 10:59:10 2008 From: perl at aaroncrane.co.uk (Aaron Crane) Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 18:59:10 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] Edinburgh Hackathon? In-Reply-To: <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> References: <82bb54530804100536i4094ea6au173041ea676ec5cb@mail.gmail.com> <82bb54530804200713w244dbdjf41fa9abf541ee0e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20080423175910.GE7565@aaroncrane.co.uk> (Sorry I've taken so long to say anything about this.) Venue. I'm hoping that we can find a suitable venue for a local, 1-day hackathon to be held some weekend in the near-ish future. Then we could use that experience to help work out what would be needed for a future, larger Edinburgh event (whether a hackathon or workshop or whatever) that we'd expect people from out of town to attend. With that in mind, I think approaching people at the university (ideally through contacts we already have between us) would be the best thing. Next best would be a pub or similar with wi-fi and a quiet back room. (I'd say "function room", but we'd probably have to either pay real money to use it, or commit to spending a lot behind the bar.) The disadvantage of a pub would be that we'd perhaps be getting further from what we'd need for a bigger event, and so we'd gain less from the experience of organising it. Agenda. There seems to be some interest in a Parrot/Rakudo/Perl 6 theme. I'm happy with that; I've been meaning to find some time to work on Rakudo, so allocating a day to do so sounds promising. There may well be some attendees who have a clear idea of what they'd like to hack on during the day. They might treat the event essentially as an opportunity to sit and hack in congenial company, or they might be planning to discuss plans or design issues with other attendees working on the same project. Other people may hope to turn up and find suggestions of specific tasks to tackle on projects they're interested in. In principle, that shouldn't necessarily require any specific preexisting knowledge on their part, but it would probably need other attendees who can offer direction and ideas. That in turn suggests having specific volunteers to coordinate matters, but it may be possible to rely on speaking to existing project workers over IRC. If we want to do that, we should probably make arrangements with such remote hackathon attendees in advance. I don't see any a priori problem with a single event catering to people in either group, or anywhere in between. Indeed, the potential problem with a narrow theme or scope is that if, between us, we have very little existing knowledge of (say) Parrot, we might get to the end of the day without a sense of having actually accomplished much. So I'm definitely in favour of adopting an inclusive answer to the question of what people should do at the hackathon. Does this help answer people's questions about what's being proposed? -- Aaron Crane ** http://aaroncrane.co.uk/ From asmith9983 at gmail.com Fri Apr 25 11:39:50 2008 From: asmith9983 at gmail.com (asmith9983 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 19:39:50 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] variable scope Message-ID: I've been trying to hone up today on variable scoping after using chomp(my @lst=<>); return @lst; I know slurping big style is not good practice but the file I'm slurping has less than 30 lines. I found a www page that foreach my $i (@list?) { confined $i to the scope of the loop. However I wanted to verify this in the perldoc pages but couldn't locate the definitive words on how this worked. I'm not satisfied with just using code because it does what I want. I want to understand why, so it doesn't bite me when I use it slightly differently. I guess this is why I have a love/hate relationship with Perl. Most of the time it works just fine but sometimes because of my lack of knowledge its silently temperamental. I like the perldoc docs but often find it difficult to locate the paragraphs I really need. -- Andrew From andrewt at compunext.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 25 12:26:37 2008 From: andrewt at compunext.demon.co.uk (Andrew Thomson) Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 20:26:37 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] variable scope In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <009601c8a70a$48d06e70$4e00a8c0@munich> This section appears under the foreach subsection on the perlsyn page supplied with the Activestate distro: "The foreach loop iterates over a normal list value and sets the variable VAR to be each element of the list in turn. If the variable is preceded with the keyword my, then it is lexically scoped, and is therefore visible only within the loop. Otherwise, the variable is implicitly local to the loop and regains its former value upon exiting the loop. If the variable was previously declared with my, it uses that variable instead of the global one, but it's still localized to the loop. This implicit localisation occurs only in a foreach loop." -- Andrew -----Original Message----- From: edinburgh-pm-bounces+andrewt=compunext.demon.co.uk at pm.org [mailto:edinburgh-pm-bounces+andrewt=compunext.demon.co.uk at pm.org] On Behalf Of asmith9983 at gmail.com Sent: 25 April 2008 19:40 To: Edinburgh Perl-mongers Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] variable scope I've been trying to hone up today on variable scoping after using chomp(my @lst=<>); return @lst; I know slurping big style is not good practice but the file I'm slurping has less than 30 lines. I found a www page that foreach my $i (@list?) { confined $i to the scope of the loop. However I wanted to verify this in the perldoc pages but couldn't locate the definitive words on how this worked. I'm not satisfied with just using code because it does what I want. I want to understand why, so it doesn't bite me when I use it slightly differently. I guess this is why I have a love/hate relationship with Perl. Most of the time it works just fine but sometimes because of my lack of knowledge its silently temperamental. I like the perldoc docs but often find it difficult to locate the paragraphs I really need. -- Andrew _______________________________________________ Edinburgh-pm mailing list Edinburgh-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/edinburgh-pm From robrwo at gmail.com Wed Apr 30 07:30:05 2008 From: robrwo at gmail.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:30:05 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [OT] external case for 2.5" SATA HD Message-ID: Pardon the off-topic post, but my laptop has died and I need a case to put the hard drive in so that I can get the data off of it before having it serviced (or just tossing it into a skip). From struan at exo.org.uk Wed Apr 30 07:38:44 2008 From: struan at exo.org.uk (Struan Donald) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:38:44 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [OT] external case for 2.5" SATA HD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20080430143844.GB3161@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> * at 30/04 15:30 +0100 Robert Rothenberg said: > Pardon the off-topic post, but my laptop has died and I need a case to > put the hard drive in so that I can get the data off of it before > having it serviced (or just tossing it into a skip). To buy or borrow? If it's buy then the icy box ones you can get from scan.co.uk are ok. They even come in several colours in case this is a concern ;) Struan From kevin at theconfused.co.uk Wed Apr 30 08:50:12 2008 From: kevin at theconfused.co.uk (Kevin White) Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:50:12 +0100 Subject: [Edinburgh-pm] [OT] external case for 2.5" SATA HD In-Reply-To: <20080430143844.GB3161@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> References: <20080430143844.GB3161@milkyjoe.hoodee.co.uk> Message-ID: <1B145EC8-6B89-43F2-9368-DA3AD1946CEE@theconfused.co.uk> If it is a borrow I have a SATA to USB cable if that is any use Kevin On 30 Apr 2008, at 15:38, Struan Donald wrote: > * at 30/04 15:30 +0100 Robert Rothenberg said: >> Pardon the off-topic post, but my laptop has died and I need a case >> to >> put the hard drive in so that I can get the data off of it before >> having it serviced (or just tossing it into a skip). > > To buy or borrow? If it's buy then the icy box ones you can get from > scan.co.uk are ok. They even come in several colours in case this is > a concern ;)