From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Sep 2 06:03:41 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:03:46 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm Message-ID: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Hi, folks. Well, it has been a while. I apologise that we've been a little dead, since, well, probably the inception of the group, but between switching jobs and being out of the country for a while, Dublin.pm's been on a bit ofa backburner. I'm afraid I won't be attending YAPC::Europe, since holidays, other commitments, and general awkwardness is getting in the way. However, I'm hoping to arrange the first tech meeting of Dublin.pm for 23rd September. This is the thursday after YAPC::Europe. One (pretty big) obstacle is the lack of a venue. My current workplace isn't being forthcoming with providing us with a venue, so I'm asking if anyone else would be willing to physically host this meeting? Or, if anyone has suggestions for a venue with minimal cost, that has projection facilities and most importantly of all, is close to a pub for afters :) Please let the list know. Also, If anyone has a small (or large!) talk that they'd like to give, please let me know, since this'll be what the meeting's all about. I'll hopefuly be giving a short talk on writing well-behaved windows services with Win32::Service, and I'm hoping other folks will come forward with stuff they'd like to expound upon, like a cool module, some nice tricks or pattersns they use all the time, or just a nice project they've found, or founded, that they need help on. I've also got a limited amount of O'Reilly goodies to give away. As always, feel free to post to the list with anything (it's not like we're high-volume), and let's try to make this first meeting a success! Thanks. - DoC From nick at netability.ie Thu Sep 2 06:23:27 2004 From: nick at netability.ie (Nick Hilliard) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:23:34 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <1094124207.94546.5.camel@pancake.netability.ie> > I'm afraid I won't be attending YAPC::Europe, since holidays, other > commitments, and general awkwardness is getting in the way. However, I'm > hoping to arrange the first tech meeting of Dublin.pm for 23rd September. This > is the thursday after YAPC::Europe. Good places to try are typically the university societies, because they can host meetings like this for either free / nominal sum, and they tend to like doing to because it increases their membership. However, if you're going to talk to them, 23 September is probably a bad time, because it's before the start of term. Nick From david at cantrell.org.uk Thu Sep 2 06:45:13 2004 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:45:16 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <1094124207.94546.5.camel@pancake.netability.ie> References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <1094124207.94546.5.camel@pancake.netability.ie> Message-ID: <20040902114513.GA25527@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:23:27PM +0100, Nick Hilliard wrote: > > I'm afraid I won't be attending YAPC::Europe, since holidays, other > > commitments, and general awkwardness is getting in the way. However, I'm > > hoping to arrange the first tech meeting of Dublin.pm for 23rd September. This > > is the thursday after YAPC::Europe. > Good places to try are typically the university societies, because they > can host meetings like this for either free / nominal sum, and they tend > to like doing to because it increases their membership. > However, if you're going to talk to them, 23 September is probably a bad > time, because it's before the start of term. London.pm often holds tech meets in pubs' function rooms. They don't have projection facilities, of course, so we take our own projector. That also has the advantage that the group leader can get everyone's talks on his laptop and make sure that works with the projector, so time isn't wasted trying to get laptops talking to projector. -- David Cantrell | Hero of the Information Age One person can change the world, but most of the time they shouldn't -- Marge Simpson From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Sep 2 06:46:14 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:46:17 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <1094124207.94546.5.camel@pancake.netability.ie> References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <1094124207.94546.5.camel@pancake.netability.ie> Message-ID: <20040902114614.GA1009@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Nick Hilliard said on Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:23:27PM +0100: > > I'm afraid I won't be attending YAPC::Europe, since holidays, other > > commitments, and general awkwardness is getting in the way. However, I'm > > hoping to arrange the first tech meeting of Dublin.pm for 23rd September. This > > is the thursday after YAPC::Europe. > > Good places to try are typically the university societies, because they > can host meetings like this for either free / nominal sum, and they tend > to like doing to because it increases their membership. Hm, good idea. But, as you say, it might onvolve delaying any meeting until college term-time. It's definitely an option for meetings after this one, though. Thanks! Ideally, the first one would be held in a meeting room in someone's workplace, since dedicated meeting rooms seem to be good places for tech talks (and I haven't looked at hiring meeting rooms yet, I hear some places do it, at a rate of about 20e per hour, which would involve people contributing, or me sucking up the costs, both of which I'd rather not do. It's gonna be hard enough to get people to come along :)) - DoC From Fintan.Ryan at Sun.COM Thu Sep 2 06:58:40 2004 From: Fintan.Ryan at Sun.COM (Fintan Ryan) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:58:45 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <41370AF0.5000700@sun.com> > > One (pretty big) obstacle is the lack of a venue. My current workplace I can probably get space in the office here, but it misses a bunch of criteria, its out in the wilds of eastpoint, so its not near any pubs and is a pain to get to. I do remember being in the old schoolhouse one evening with a friend of mine and seeing SAGE in there, perhaps its a possible venue? - Fintan -- fintanr@sun.com http://blogs.sun.com/fintanr http://wwws.sun.com/software/solaris/10 From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Sep 2 06:59:48 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Thu Sep 2 06:59:52 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <41370AF0.5000700@sun.com> References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <41370AF0.5000700@sun.com> Message-ID: <20040902115948.GA24669@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Fintan Ryan said on Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:58:40PM +0100: > > > > >One (pretty big) obstacle is the lack of a venue. My current workplace > > I can probably get space in the office here, but it misses a bunch of > criteria, its out in the wilds of eastpoint, so its not near any pubs > and is a pain to get to. > > I do remember being in the old schoolhouse one evening with a friend of > mine and seeing SAGE in there, perhaps its a possible venue? > I think the schoolhouse is where they adjourn to for pints after talks in HEAnet. - DoC From lists at peema.org Thu Sep 2 07:24:58 2004 From: lists at peema.org (Paul Mc Auley) Date: Thu Sep 2 07:16:12 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <20040902115948.GA24669@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie>; from doc@redbrick.dcu.ie on Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:59:48PM +0100 References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <41370AF0.5000700@sun.com> <20040902115948.GA24669@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20040902132458.H12829@doopy.briangreene.com> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:59:48PM +0100, Dave O Connor wrote: | Fintan Ryan said on Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 12:58:40PM +0100: | > I can probably get space in the office here, but it misses a bunch of | > criteria, its out in the wilds of eastpoint, so its not near any pubs | > and is a pain to get to. | > I do remember being in the old schoolhouse one evening with a friend of | > mine and seeing SAGE in there, perhaps its a possible venue? | I think the schoolhouse is where they adjourn to for pints after talks in | HEAnet. The reachability issue does raise the question as to whether the ideal venue should be within reasonable walking distance of the city centre. I seem to recall HEAnet being out Ballsbridge way, which is a fair stretch of the legs if you aren't heading home that way. Paul From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Sep 2 07:19:17 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Thu Sep 2 07:19:27 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <20040902132458.H12829@doopy.briangreene.com> References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <41370AF0.5000700@sun.com> <20040902115948.GA24669@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <20040902132458.H12829@doopy.briangreene.com> Message-ID: <20040902121917.GA19431@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Paul Mc Auley said on Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 01:24:58PM +0100: > The reachability issue does raise the question as to whether the ideal > venue should be within reasonable walking distance of the city centre. > > I seem to recall HEAnet being out Ballsbridge way, which is a fair stretch > of the legs if you aren't heading home that way. It's reasonable enough if you want to bus or DART it. But yeah, town is, in general, a happy medium for people. Are there any good pubs, with say, a 20-or-so person private function room that they hire out? - DoC From secmail333-perl at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 23:38:52 2004 From: secmail333-perl at yahoo.com (secmail333-perl@yahoo.com) Date: Fri Sep 3 23:38:54 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <20040902121917.GA19431@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20040904043852.79472.qmail@web80408.mail.yahoo.com> It's been awhile since I've been back in Dublin but that pub off the [north] side of Trinity was ok when I went there. It's where the students go on breaks I think. Can't remember the name of it as I was only there once. And then there's the Foggy Dew, if it's still there. Jeez I would'nt mind a pint back in Dublin. :p lol although you might want to pick one with a beer garden these days if you smoke. Not sure which ones have beer gardens. Steve --- Dave O Connor wrote: > Paul Mc Auley said on Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at > 01:24:58PM +0100: > > The reachability issue does raise the question as > to whether the ideal > > venue should be within reasonable walking distance > of the city centre. > > > > I seem to recall HEAnet being out Ballsbridge way, > which is a fair stretch > > of the legs if you aren't heading home that way. > > It's reasonable enough if you want to bus or DART > it. But yeah, town is, in > general, a happy medium for people. > > Are there any good pubs, with say, a 20-or-so person > private function room > that they hire out? > > - DoC > _______________________________________________ > Dublin-pm mailing list - Dublin-pm@mail.pm.org > http://dublin.pm.org/ - IRC irc.linux.ie #dublin-pm > > From bubble at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Sep 9 15:28:50 2004 From: bubble at redbrick.dcu.ie (barry) Date: Thu Sep 9 15:28:54 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Call for Venue: First tech meeting of Dublin.pm In-Reply-To: <20040902114513.GA25527@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> References: <20040902110341.GA23246@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <1094124207.94546.5.camel@pancake.netability.ie> <20040902114513.GA25527@bytemark.barnyard.co.uk> Message-ID: <20040909202850.GA31375@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Doolin Technologies (www.doolin.com) holds tech talks now and again, (though it's been a while since I was at one), and they were held in liberty hall, which is about as central as you can get. You could possibly contact them to see how much they forked out for the room. That said, looking at their website, they're currently hosting talks in a function room in the Earl of Kildare hotel. Barry. On Sep 02, 2004, you wrote: > London.pm often holds tech meets in pubs' function rooms. They don't > have projection facilities, of course, so we take our own projector. > That also has the advantage that the group leader can get everyone's > talks on his laptop and make sure that works with the projector, so time > isn't wasted trying to get laptops talking to projector. > -- What a day, eh, Milhouse? The sun is out, birds are singing, bees are trying to have sex with them.. as is my understanding... From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Sep 14 10:02:22 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Tue Sep 14 10:02:28 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Numbers for Next thursday Message-ID: <20040914150222.GB7355@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Hi, I've had a kind offer from a city-centre firm to host the Dublin.pm meeting. However, the room they've got will hold about 10 folks. I'd like to get a general idea for how many people will be heading along. Could anyone who's interested in attending (next thursday, probably 7:30, city centre), please fire me a quick mail, so I can get an idea. Thanks. - DoC From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Sep 14 10:34:54 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Tue Sep 14 10:34:57 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Numbers for Next thursday In-Reply-To: <20040914150222.GB7355@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20040914150222.GB7355@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20040914153454.GA21113@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> > > Hi, > Ah. I also meant to ask if any of the nice folks coming along would like to give a hort talk on anything. I'll be doing something about writing well-behaved windows services, I believe someone else mentioned doing a trip report from YAPC::Europe (It's tomorrow!), and so forth. Oh, I'll also have some O'Reilly swag to give away, and all the GMail invites any sane person could ever want. Come early and often! Or just come to the pub after. Either is cool. Thanks - DoC From dermot at directski.com Tue Sep 14 10:43:20 2004 From: dermot at directski.com (Dermot McNally) Date: Tue Sep 14 10:43:29 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Numbers for Next thursday In-Reply-To: <20040914150222.GB7355@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20040914150222.GB7355@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <41471198.5080808@directski.com> Dave O Connor wrote: > Hi, > > I've had a kind offer from a city-centre firm to host the Dublin.pm meeting. > However, the room they've got will hold about 10 folks. I'd like to get a > general idea for how many people will be heading along. Could anyone who's > interested in attending (next thursday, probably 7:30, city centre), please > fire me a quick mail, so I can get an idea. Is "next Thursday" the day after tomorrow or the next one after that? Dermot -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dermot McNally, Chief Technical Officer, Directski.com dermot@directski.com http://www.directski.com - ski for less From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Sep 14 11:35:05 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Tue Sep 14 11:35:23 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Numbers for Next thursday In-Reply-To: <41471198.5080808@directski.com> References: <20040914150222.GB7355@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <41471198.5080808@directski.com> Message-ID: <20040914163505.GA30408@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Dermot McNally said on Tue, Sep 14, 2004 at 04:43:20PM +0100: > Dave O Connor wrote: > > >Hi, > > > >I've had a kind offer from a city-centre firm to host the Dublin.pm > >meeting. > >However, the room they've got will hold about 10 folks. I'd like to get a > >general idea for how many people will be heading along. Could anyone who's > >interested in attending (next thursday, probably 7:30, city centre), please > >fire me a quick mail, so I can get an idea. > > Is "next Thursday" the day after tomorrow or the next one after that? > Oh, the next one after that. Whoops. The 23rd. - DoC From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Mon Sep 20 09:33:37 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Mon Sep 20 09:33:41 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Dublin pm meeting Thursday 23rd at 7:30 Message-ID: <20040920143337.GA29867@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Howdy folks, Well, it looks like things are coming together for the meeting this thursday. I'd like to thank Aidan Kehoe and the folks at Phorest for kindly volunteering a venue. The first meeting of Dublin.pm will be held in the offices of Phorest, at 69 Middle Abbey street ('Across from penneys, above 'connected' a sportswear shop'). Just a hort walk from O'Connell street. I'm guessing a lot of folks prefer a city-centre type venue for this. We'll be hoping to kick off at 7:30 sharp, with adjourning to pub left until probably 8:30 or so (unless folks there desire otherwise). Talks confirmed are a talk on Writing Win32 services with perl I'll be doing. Also, some folks have said they'll give a short trip report from YAPC::Europe, which was last week in Belfasti (could whoever it was contact me? Brain like a sieve here). . There'll be some O'Reilly stuff there for grabbing, and I'm hoping to have some copies of The Perl Review (although chances are they're not going to be here on time, I only requested them today). It'll be a pretty informal meeting, so please do feel free to come along. The room isn't massive, so come early to get one of the seats :) Hoping to see exactly the right amount of you there! Thanks. - DoC From daveb at esat.net Tue Sep 21 04:18:13 2004 From: daveb at esat.net (Dave Burke) Date: Tue Sep 21 04:18:21 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Dublin pm meeting Thursday 23rd at 7:30 In-Reply-To: Message from Dave O Connor of "Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:33:37 BST." <20040920143337.GA29867@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20040920143337.GA29867@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: Can anybody recommend a good place to park near by for this? My knowledge of streets north of the liffey is almost non-existant :-/ Dave Dave O Connor wrote: > >Howdy folks, > >Well, it looks like things are coming together for the meeting this thursday. >I'd like to thank Aidan Kehoe and the folks at Phorest for kindly >volunteering a venue. > >The first meeting of Dublin.pm will be held in the offices of Phorest, at 69 >Middle Abbey street ('Across from penneys, above 'connected' a sportswear >shop'). Just a hort walk from O'Connell street. I'm guessing a lot of folks >prefer a city-centre type venue for this. We'll be hoping to kick off at 7:30 >sharp, with adjourning to pub left until probably 8:30 or so (unless >folks there desire otherwise). > >Talks confirmed are a talk on Writing Win32 services with perl I'll be doing. >Also, some folks have said they'll give a short trip report from YAPC::Europe, >which was last week in Belfasti (could whoever it was contact me? Brain like a >sieve here). . There'll be some O'Reilly stuff there for >grabbing, and I'm hoping to have some copies of The Perl Review (although >chances are they're not going to be here on time, I only requested them >today). > >It'll be a pretty informal meeting, so please do feel free to come along. The >room isn't massive, so come early to get one of the seats :) > >Hoping to see exactly the right amount of you there! > >Thanks. > > - DoC > >_______________________________________________ >Dublin-pm mailing list - Dublin-pm@mail.pm.org >http://dublin.pm.org/ - IRC irc.linux.ie #dublin-pm > From belial at redbrick.dcu.ie Tue Sep 21 04:42:45 2004 From: belial at redbrick.dcu.ie (David Gillen.) Date: Tue Sep 21 04:42:48 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Dublin pm meeting Thursday 23rd at 7:30 In-Reply-To: References: <20040920143337.GA29867@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <20040921094245.GA21495@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> I'd suggest either Fleet Street multi-story car park or the ilac centre car park. Neither is very close, 5 minutes walk at most though and your car is probably a bit safer. Dave Burke said: > > Can anybody recommend a good place to park near by for this? > > My knowledge of streets north of the liffey is almost non-existant :-/ > > Dave > > Dave O Connor wrote: > > > >Howdy folks, > > > >Well, it looks like things are coming together for the meeting this thursday. > >I'd like to thank Aidan Kehoe and the folks at Phorest for kindly > >volunteering a venue. > > > >The first meeting of Dublin.pm will be held in the offices of Phorest, at 69 > >Middle Abbey street ('Across from penneys, above 'connected' a sportswear > >shop'). Just a hort walk from O'Connell street. I'm guessing a lot of folks > >prefer a city-centre type venue for this. We'll be hoping to kick off at 7:30 > >sharp, with adjourning to pub left until probably 8:30 or so (unless > >folks there desire otherwise). > > > >Talks confirmed are a talk on Writing Win32 services with perl I'll be doing. > >Also, some folks have said they'll give a short trip report from YAPC::Europe, > >which was last week in Belfasti (could whoever it was contact me? Brain like a > >sieve here). . There'll be some O'Reilly stuff there for > >grabbing, and I'm hoping to have some copies of The Perl Review (although > >chances are they're not going to be here on time, I only requested them > >today). > > > >It'll be a pretty informal meeting, so please do feel free to come along. The > >room isn't massive, so come early to get one of the seats :) > > > >Hoping to see exactly the right amount of you there! > > > >Thanks. > > > > - DoC > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Dublin-pm mailing list - Dublin-pm@mail.pm.org > >http://dublin.pm.org/ - IRC irc.linux.ie #dublin-pm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dublin-pm mailing list - Dublin-pm@mail.pm.org > http://dublin.pm.org/ - IRC irc.linux.ie #dublin-pm > > -- /(bb|[^b]{2})/ From dermot at directski.com Thu Sep 23 08:58:19 2004 From: dermot at directski.com (Dermot McNally) Date: Thu Sep 23 08:58:33 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Dublin pm meeting Thursday 23rd at 7:30 In-Reply-To: <20040920143337.GA29867@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> References: <20040920143337.GA29867@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Message-ID: <4152D67B.3010605@directski.com> Dave O Connor wrote: > Well, it looks like things are coming together for the meeting this thursday. > I'd like to thank Aidan Kehoe and the folks at Phorest for kindly > volunteering a venue. I and a colleague had planned to attend, but hadn't spotted that it clashes with an event from the Dublin Agile Special Interest Group, which we were already booked into. Our fault. However, it ends at 20:00, so we'd still have a chance of catching the rest of you in the middle of things, or in the pub afterwards. In case it ends up to be the latter, could some kind soul who expects to be there e-mail me a mobile number offlist? Nothing worse than trying to find a bunch of strangers in a crowded pub... Thanks, Dermot -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dermot McNally, Chief Technical Officer, Directski.com dermot@directski.com http://www.directski.com - ski for less From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Thu Sep 23 09:01:44 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Thu Sep 23 09:02:10 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Dublin pm meeting Thursday 23rd at 7:30 In-Reply-To: <4152D67B.3010605@directski.com> References: <20040920143337.GA29867@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> <4152D67B.3010605@directski.com> Message-ID: <20040923140144.GA31554@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Dermot McNally said on Thu, Sep 23, 2004 at 02:58:19PM +0100: > Dave O Connor wrote: > > >Well, it looks like things are coming together for the meeting this > >thursday. > >I'd like to thank Aidan Kehoe and the folks at Phorest for kindly > >volunteering a venue. > > I and a colleague had planned to attend, but hadn't spotted that it > clashes with an event from the Dublin Agile Special Interest Group, > which we were already booked into. Our fault. > > However, it ends at 20:00, so we'd still have a chance of catching the > rest of you in the middle of things, or in the pub afterwards. > > In case it ends up to be the latter, could some kind soul who expects to > be there e-mail me a mobile number offlist? Nothing worse than trying to > find a bunch of strangers in a crowded pub... > Sure. We'll be in the Sackville Lounge from whenever we finish, anywhere from 8 to 8:30. I'll mail you a number offlist. - DoC From doc at redbrick.dcu.ie Fri Sep 24 02:27:42 2004 From: doc at redbrick.dcu.ie (Dave O Connor) Date: Fri Sep 24 02:27:45 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] Last Night's Meeting Message-ID: <20040924072742.GA27771@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> Thanks to everyone who came along, I hope a pleasant and informative evening was had by all. I'll get the slides and notes from my talk up propbably later today. A couple of things mentioned were: O'Reilly UG members get a 20% discount on O'Reilly, No Starch, Paraglyph, Pragmatic Bookshelf and Syngress books. This discount also applies to O'Reilly conferences. Just use code DSUG. If anyon'e seriously interested in doing a proper webpage for Dublin.pm, I can give out CVS access. Also, if anyone is very interested in doing a Book Review of any O'Reilly book (It'd probably have to be a perl/parrot book), please let me know. There's a chance that I could get Review copies from O'Reilly, probably in exchange for their having reproduction rights to your review or something, but hey, free book. Again, thanks to all who came along. - DoC From johnd at pci.ie Mon Sep 27 18:14:51 2004 From: johnd at pci.ie (John Day) Date: Mon Sep 27 18:16:53 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? Message-ID: Hi all, I was wondering the other day (well just now anyway) what other people in Dub/Irl actually use Perl for in their daily lives/work? Parsing text, web scripting, network admin, home automation, bio work etc etc... We all know how powerful Perl can be, but I don't see much on "how" it's actually used here in IRL (yeah I know about__CGI, but what else? and on what OS?) (please don't start any "MS is better then Linux, Linux is better then MS debates, I'm just trying to find out about the group here) I work in Perl in a Win32 environment, and use it for everything from parsing XML files and throwing the results into excel, to parsing weblogs and generating graphs, monitoring servers, ftp and general personal screen scrapping and a good bit more. Would it be a stupid idea if we all came forward and said what we do (and can do), so when others stumble into that area (which happens all too commonly in IT), we know we can pop off a question here and get a reasonable response with no condensation or flames, rather then go to some anon site, which is probably full of either flame baiters or "Perl gods" who cant find the earth any more as the have "ascended". Anyways, glad to see the meeting went well, I will make the next one. JD ps if ANYONE has ANY Perl questions then please post them to the group, I for one will actively try to either answer the question or point out where to find the solution & I'm sure most other group members feel the same way. Again sorry for not getting to the meeting :-( ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040928000556.GA3797@carbon.redbrick.dcu.ie> John Day said on Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 12:14:51AM +0100: > Would it be a stupid idea if we all came forward and said what we do (and can do), so when others stumble into that area (which happens all too commonly in IT), we know we can pop off a question here and get a reasonable response with no condensation or flames, rather then go to some anon site, which is probably full of either flame baiters or "Perl gods" who cant find the earth any more as the have "ascended". Not at all. It'd give people some ideas as to stuff that's actively been done with perl, as opposed to just possible. I've done with perl (in chronological order): CGIs Some translation automation tools for a very large (alas now defunct) website. A WAP IMAP client (with others, for work). My Uni final year project (an IM client/server toolkit using SOAP). Windows/Linux automation - replacing batch files. Windows Services. PRocessing random stuff (notably converting TCPdump output of a H.323/SIP session into a wavfile of the conversation). Bits of a billing system using Cisco syslog stuff and RADIUS log mangling. Small bits of my old employer's VoixeXML platform (web failover stuff, other mmangling with logs, data monkeying). A metric assload of mon monitors and alerts. > > ps if ANYONE has ANY Perl questions then please post them to the group, I for one will actively try to either answer the question or point out where to find the solution & I'm sure most other group members feel the same way. Again sorry for not getting to the meeting :-( > What he said. I guess what we need now on the list would be newbies, who could have cromulent questions to ask. I'm sure most of us onlist have at least some experience with perl, so please do encourage people to join and fire off questions. It's one of the reason we exist! :) - DoC From johnd at pci.ie Mon Sep 27 19:59:10 2004 From: johnd at pci.ie (John Day) Date: Mon Sep 27 20:01:08 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? Message-ID: Cool (you've done loads with our little olde language :-) havnt you. >"It'd give people some ideas as to stuff that's actively been done >with perl, as opposed to just possible." Thats exactly what I was getting at. There's some things that Perl is an obvious choice for, but most people think of it as a "normal" programming language & treat it as such. I use it for (in no particular order): parsing xml, correlating results & pushing them into excel (xml files range from greek to russian, back again to finnish.) monitoring of everything from web-servers/nt services/email accounts etc, picture conversion and gallery production (small script I wrote for a friends personal website & amazingly easy), pdf creation, cisco work (conf backups, SNMP monitoring, checking network ports(routers & switchs) on the LAN & whats plugged into them ;-) webstuff (sending emails, ftp,website screen scrapping) Some modules I've recently played with: Image::Magick HTML::Template XML::Simple; Spreadsheet::WriteExcel >What he said. I guess what we need now on the list would be newbies, who >could have cromulent questions to ask. I'm sure most of us onlist have at >least some experience with perl, so please do encourage people to join and >fire off questions. It's one of the reason we exist! :) Well said Dave, if anyone has a problem hit the group with it. You never know who might have just "played" with the module your having problems with, & an answer may just be on the end of an email. All the best. J -----Original Message----- From: Dave O Connor [mailto:doc@redbrick.dcu.ie] Sent: 28 September 2004 01:06 To: John Day Cc: dublin-pm@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? John Day said on Tue, Sep 28, 2004 at 12:14:51AM +0100: > Would it be a stupid idea if we all came forward and said what we do (and can do), so when others stumble into that area (which happens all too commonly in IT), we know we can pop off a question here and get a reasonable response with no condensation or flames, rather then go to some anon site, which is probably full of either flame baiters or "Perl gods" who cant find the earth any more as the have "ascended". Not at all. It'd give people some ideas as to stuff that's actively been done with perl, as opposed to just possible. I've done with perl (in chronological order): CGIs Some translation automation tools for a very large (alas now defunct) website. A WAP IMAP client (with others, for work). My Uni final year project (an IM client/server toolkit using SOAP). Windows/Linux automation - replacing batch files. Windows Services. PRocessing random stuff (notably converting TCPdump output of a H.323/SIP session into a wavfile of the conversation). Bits of a billing system using Cisco syslog stuff and RADIUS log mangling. Small bits of my old employer's VoixeXML platform (web failover stuff, other mmangling with logs, data monkeying). A metric assload of mon monitors and alerts. > > ps if ANYONE has ANY Perl questions then please post them to the group, I for one will actively try to either answer the question or point out where to find the solution & I'm sure most other group members feel the same way. Again sorry for not getting to the meeting :-( > What he said. I guess what we need now on the list would be newbies, who could have cromulent questions to ask. I'm sure most of us onlist have at least some experience with perl, so please do encourage people to join and fire off questions. It's one of the reason we exist! :) - DoC ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. *********************************************************************** From dermot at directski.com Tue Sep 28 11:47:07 2004 From: dermot at directski.com (Dermot McNally) Date: Tue Sep 28 11:49:20 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4159958B.6010800@directski.com> John Day wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering the other day (well just now anyway) what other people > in Dub/Irl actually use Perl for in their daily lives/work? > Parsing text, web scripting, network admin, home automation, bio > work etc etc... We use perl to operate a direct-sell ski tour operator. Specifically, our web-based holiday and booking system is written entirely in perl and runs on top of Apache/mod-perl using PostgreSQL as its database. OS is FreeBSD. Dermot -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dermot McNally, Chief Technical Officer, Directski.com dermot@directski.com http://www.directski.com - ski for less From david at cantrell.org.uk Tue Sep 28 14:22:50 2004 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Tue Sep 28 14:22:57 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? In-Reply-To: <4159958B.6010800@directski.com> References: <4159958B.6010800@directski.com> Message-ID: <4159BA0A.1040702@cantrell.org.uk> Dermot McNally wrote: > John Day wrote: >> I was wondering the other day (well just now anyway) what other people >> in Dub/Irl actually use Perl for in their daily lives/work? >> Parsing text, web scripting, network admin, home automation, bio work >> etc etc... > We use perl to operate a direct-sell ski tour operator. Specifically, > our web-based ... From the posts I've seen in this thread, there's been lots of webby stuff, but not much of anything else. So here's my little list of things I've used perl for. EXCLUDING the web stuff: server monitoring; network monitoring; desktop applications; running hardware test suites; telecoms billing; ranking hot babes (for FHM); industrial control; creating bus timetables; making people laugh (Acme::Pony); making people cry (Acme::Pony again); plus no doubt a bunch of other stuff I've forgotten. -- David Cantrell | Official London Perl Mongers Bad Influence From kehoea at parhasard.net Thu Sep 30 09:35:01 2004 From: kehoea at parhasard.net (Aidan Kehoe) Date: Thu Sep 30 09:35:06 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <16732.6549.158925.286384@ns5.nestdesign.com> Ar an t-ocht? l? is fiche de m? M?an F?mhair, scr?obh John Day: > I work in Perl in a Win32 environment, and use it for everything from > parsing XML files and throwing the results into excel, to parsing weblogs > and generating graphs, monitoring servers, ftp and general personal > screen scrapping and a good bit more. I work in an SMS services company, our backend programs are all written in Perl on Unix, talking to MySQL databases, while the web front ends are written in PHP. I inherited this setup, and I'm entirely happy with it, save that MySQL is a fucking toy and you should never use it for anything other than playing with. I considered moving the backend programs to Eiffel when I started, in the interests of maintainability--with a language as big as Perl (and C++ has this problem too) you can initially learn and stick to one corner of it and then be totally fazed by a program written by someone else who uses other corners of it. What made us choose not to in the end was that the POSIX API available for SmallEiffel is incomplete--personally, I think in terms of symlinks and signals and setsid and sysconf, and I think that's the most effective way to write good programs on Unix--and Perl is pretty maintainable if you thoroughly comment any iffy decisions thoroughly and add in enough Carp::* statements when things go wrong. Plus, the breadth and quality of CPAN are a huge plus for Perl. Software that has a test suite run every time it's installed, to do almost anything you could want to (your web host's version of Perl is 5.6, and thus the funky UTF-8 processing you wrote is broken? Install Text::Iconv, and magic! you have an alternative!) is a huge selling point for the language. Perl's performance isn't an issue--all the bad performance we've ever had has been down to badly-chosen algorithms, and people can program like OO-obsessed lazy-loading-is-for-the-weak ninnies in any language. (Though you would admittedly need a _lot_ of energy to do it in C. :-) -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell) From dermot at directski.com Thu Sep 30 09:36:35 2004 From: dermot at directski.com (Dermot McNally) Date: Thu Sep 30 09:38:45 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? In-Reply-To: <16732.6549.158925.286384@ns5.nestdesign.com> References: <16732.6549.158925.286384@ns5.nestdesign.com> Message-ID: <415C19F3.9060102@directski.com> Aidan Kehoe wrote: > written in PHP. I inherited this setup, and I'm entirely happy with it, save > that MySQL is a fucking toy and you should never use it for anything other > than playing with. Did you consider replacing it with PostgreSQL? It should be a credible enough drop-in replacement, unless there would be too much local SQL idiom to convert. Dermot -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dermot McNally, Chief Technical Officer, Directski.com dermot@directski.com http://www.directski.com - ski for less From kehoea at parhasard.net Thu Sep 30 09:42:52 2004 From: kehoea at parhasard.net (Aidan Kehoe) Date: Thu Sep 30 09:42:55 2004 Subject: [Dub-pm] what's Perl used for anyway? In-Reply-To: <415C19F3.9060102@directski.com> References: <16732.6549.158925.286384@ns5.nestdesign.com> <415C19F3.9060102@directski.com> Message-ID: <16732.7020.811343.217271@ns5.nestdesign.com> Ar an triochad? l? de m? M?an F?mhair, scr?obh Dermot McNally: > > written in PHP. I inherited this setup, and I'm entirely happy with it, > > save that MySQL is a fucking toy and you should never use it for > > anything other than playing with. > > Did you consider replacing it with PostgreSQL? It should be a credible > enough drop-in replacement, unless there would be too much local SQL > idiom to convert. Yeah, we will. We do a lot of bespoke web dev for clients as well, as the SMS services, though, and that means I don't have as much time for in-house maintenance and further development as I'd like. -- Like the early Christians, Marx expected the millennium very soon; like their successors, his have been disappointed--once more, the world has shown itself recalcitrant to a tidy formula embodying the hopes of some section of mankind. (Russell)