From nadim.khemir at gmail.com Fri Nov 2 12:19:46 2012 From: nadim.khemir at gmail.com (nadim khemir) Date: Fri, 2 Nov 2012 14:19:46 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: <50919317.6000907@gmail.com> References: <50919317.6000907@gmail.com> Message-ID: thank for your input. I am here for a short while and I may be able to attend. Another question is: how does the market look here? cheers, Nadim On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John Fields wrote: > Whoops! Meant to also send: > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dallasp6m > > The DFW perl mongers proper are currently being re-organized, no scheduled > meetings there. > There is a Perl 6 group that meets in Allen on the second Tuesday of every > month. That link is the google groups link to it. > JF > > > On 10/31/2012 02:46 PM, nadim khemir wrote: > > hi guys, I am in Dallas and wondered if you were still active or have any > meeting soon. > > Cheers, Nadim. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nadim.khemir at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 07:33:52 2012 From: nadim.khemir at gmail.com (nadim khemir) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:33:52 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: References: <50919317.6000907@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sorry for the spam but could anyone in the mailing list tell me a bit about the market in Dallas? Cheers, Nadim. On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, nadim khemir wrote: > thank for your input. I am here for a short while and I may be able to > attend. > > Another question is: how does the market look here? > > cheers, Nadim > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John Fields wrote: > >> Whoops! Meant to also send: >> https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dallasp6m >> >> The DFW perl mongers proper are currently being re-organized, no >> scheduled meetings there. >> There is a Perl 6 group that meets in Allen on the second Tuesday of >> every month. That link is the google groups link to it. >> JF >> >> >> On 10/31/2012 02:46 PM, nadim khemir wrote: >> >> hi guys, I am in Dallas and wondered if you were still active or have any >> meeting soon. >> >> Cheers, Nadim. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dfw-pm mailing list >> Dfw-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >> >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saj at thecommune.net Wed Nov 7 07:41:16 2012 From: saj at thecommune.net (Stuart Johnston) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 09:41:16 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: References: <50919317.6000907@gmail.com> Message-ID: <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> I haven't been looking but I do get emails from recruiters, occasionally. I know Yahoo was hiring recently. Early this year when I was trying to find a new contractor, the best candidates often has accepted another position before I could get them in for interviews. From my perspective, the market seems to favor job seekers, assuming you have the skills. Overall, the economy in North Texas is better than in many parts of the country. On 11/7/2012 9:33 AM, nadim khemir wrote: > Sorry for the spam but could anyone in the mailing list tell me a bit > about the market in Dallas? > > Cheers, Nadim. > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, nadim khemir > wrote: > > thank for your input. I am here for a short while and I may be able > to attend. > > Another question is: how does the market look here? > > cheers, Nadim > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John Fields > wrote: > > Whoops! Meant to also send: > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dallasp6m > > > The DFW perl mongers proper are currently being re-organized, no > scheduled meetings there. > There is a Perl 6 group that meets in Allen on the second > Tuesday of every month. That link is the google groups link to it. > JF > > > On 10/31/2012 02:46 PM, nadim khemir wrote: >> hi guys, I am in Dallas and wondered if you were still active >> or have any meeting soon. >> >> Cheers, Nadim. > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > From kassebaumj at hotmail.com Wed Nov 7 09:25:58 2012 From: kassebaumj at hotmail.com (Jerry Kassebaum) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 11:25:58 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> References: , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> Message-ID: Stuart and Group, What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? I can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages with Ajax. What should I study next? Jerry Kassebaum > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:41:16 -0600 > From: saj at thecommune.net > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time > > I haven't been looking but I do get emails from recruiters, > occasionally. I know Yahoo was hiring recently. > > Early this year when I was trying to find a new contractor, the best > candidates often has accepted another position before I could get them > in for interviews. From my perspective, the market seems to favor job > seekers, assuming you have the skills. > > Overall, the economy in North Texas is better than in many parts of the > country. > > > On 11/7/2012 9:33 AM, nadim khemir wrote: > > Sorry for the spam but could anyone in the mailing list tell me a bit > > about the market in Dallas? > > > > Cheers, Nadim. > > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, nadim khemir > > wrote: > > > > thank for your input. I am here for a short while and I may be able > > to attend. > > > > Another question is: how does the market look here? > > > > cheers, Nadim > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John Fields > > wrote: > > > > Whoops! Meant to also send: > > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dallasp6m > > > > > > The DFW perl mongers proper are currently being re-organized, no > > scheduled meetings there. > > There is a Perl 6 group that meets in Allen on the second > > Tuesday of every month. 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URL: From saj at thecommune.net Wed Nov 7 09:46:03 2012 From: saj at thecommune.net (Stuart Johnston) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 11:46:03 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: References: , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> Message-ID: <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> Unfortunately, most employers are going to want real-world, job experience. To substitute for that, make sure you have code that you are proud to share. Put it on github. Look into working on some CPAN modules. Books to read: chromatic's "Modern Perl", Conway's "Perl Best Practices", and if you are really ambitious, MJD's "Higher-Order Perl". Has anyone read "Effective Perl Programming"? That's probably a good one too. (Assuming you have already read "the Camel".) Try using Moose and Plack. Frameworks are good too. Catalyst, Dancer, Mojolicious. I know of at least one DFW employer using Catalyst. Have fun! On 11/7/2012 11:25 AM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: > Stuart and Group, > > What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? I > can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info > into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages with > Ajax. What should I study next? > > Jerry Kassebaum > > > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:41:16 -0600 > > From: saj at thecommune.net > > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time > > > > I haven't been looking but I do get emails from recruiters, > > occasionally. I know Yahoo was hiring recently. > > > > Early this year when I was trying to find a new contractor, the best > > candidates often has accepted another position before I could get them > > in for interviews. From my perspective, the market seems to favor job > > seekers, assuming you have the skills. > > > > Overall, the economy in North Texas is better than in many parts of the > > country. > > > > > > On 11/7/2012 9:33 AM, nadim khemir wrote: > > > Sorry for the spam but could anyone in the mailing list tell me a bit > > > about the market in Dallas? > > > > > > Cheers, Nadim. > > > > > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, nadim khemir > > > wrote: > > > > > > thank for your input. I am here for a short while and I may be able > > > to attend. > > > > > > Another question is: how does the market look here? > > > > > > cheers, Nadim > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John Fields > > > wrote: > > > > > > Whoops! Meant to also send: > > > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dallasp6m > > > > > > > > > The DFW perl mongers proper are currently being re-organized, no > > > scheduled meetings there. > > > There is a Perl 6 group that meets in Allen on the second > > > Tuesday of every month. That link is the google groups link to it. > > > JF > > > > > > > > > On 10/31/2012 02:46 PM, nadim khemir wrote: > > >> hi guys, I am in Dallas and wondered if you were still active > > >> or have any meeting soon. > > >> > > >> Cheers, Nadim. From frioux at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 10:52:41 2012 From: frioux at gmail.com (fREW Schmidt) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 12:52:41 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> References: , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> Message-ID: <509AADF9.3020006@gmail.com> We're using Catalyst heavily (Richardson.) Also, look into DBIx::Class if you touch databases :) On 11/07/2012 11:46 AM, Stuart Johnston wrote: > Unfortunately, most employers are going to want real-world, job > experience. To substitute for that, make sure you have code that you > are proud to share. Put it on github. Look into working on some CPAN > modules. > > Books to read: chromatic's "Modern Perl", Conway's "Perl Best > Practices", and if you are really ambitious, MJD's "Higher-Order > Perl". Has anyone read "Effective Perl Programming"? That's probably a > good one too. (Assuming you have already read "the Camel".) > > Try using Moose and Plack. Frameworks are good too. Catalyst, Dancer, > Mojolicious. I know of at least one DFW employer using Catalyst. > > Have fun! > > > On 11/7/2012 11:25 AM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: >> Stuart and Group, >> >> What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? I >> can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info >> into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages with >> Ajax. What should I study next? >> >> Jerry Kassebaum >> >> > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:41:16 -0600 >> > From: saj at thecommune.net >> > To: dfw-pm at pm.org >> > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time >> > >> > I haven't been looking but I do get emails from recruiters, >> > occasionally. I know Yahoo was hiring recently. >> > >> > Early this year when I was trying to find a new contractor, the best >> > candidates often has accepted another position before I could get >> them >> > in for interviews. From my perspective, the market seems to favor job >> > seekers, assuming you have the skills. >> > >> > Overall, the economy in North Texas is better than in many parts >> of the >> > country. >> > >> > >> > On 11/7/2012 9:33 AM, nadim khemir wrote: >> > > Sorry for the spam but could anyone in the mailing list tell me >> a bit >> > > about the market in Dallas? >> > > >> > > Cheers, Nadim. >> > > >> > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, nadim khemir >> > > > > wrote: >> > > >> > > thank for your input. I am here for a short while and I may be able >> > > to attend. >> > > >> > > Another question is: how does the market look here? >> > > >> > > cheers, Nadim >> > > >> > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John Fields > > > > wrote: >> > > >> > > Whoops! Meant to also send: >> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/dallasp6m >> > > >> > > >> > > The DFW perl mongers proper are currently being re-organized, no >> > > scheduled meetings there. >> > > There is a Perl 6 group that meets in Allen on the second >> > > Tuesday of every month. That link is the google groups link to it. >> > > JF >> > > >> > > >> > > On 10/31/2012 02:46 PM, nadim khemir wrote: >> > >> hi guys, I am in Dallas and wondered if you were still active >> > >> or have any meeting soon. >> > >> >> > >> Cheers, Nadim. > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Grails and Groovy are a plus, but not required Experience with web services Proficiency in at least one Linux or Unix Operating System such as Redhat Linux or Solaris 10 As additional market research here are some of the technologies on the positions I've had open within the last year. I've had positions with 3 companies and these are the technologies they looked for in each company: PERL Shell Scripting UNIX preferably Solaris MySQL or Oracle __________________ Perl and Bourne shell languages. Other languages of interest include: C, JavaScript C#, Java, and Python. _________________ PERL DBI and MySQL Hope you enjoy your visit Nadim and that this info offered a bit of help =) Thanks, Melanie Rogers Technical Recruiter The InSource Group 12221 Merit Dr, Suite 1000 Dallas, TX 75251 817-887-8438 Office 972-881-1410 Fax mrogers at insourcegroup.com http://www.insourcegroup.com From: dfw-pm-request at pm.org To: dfw-pm at pm.org, Date: 11/07/2012 12:50 PM Subject: Dfw-pm Digest, Vol 22, Issue 3 Sent by: "Dfw-pm" Send Dfw-pm mailing list submissions to dfw-pm at pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dfw-pm-request at pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at dfw-pm-owner at pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Dfw-pm digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: in dallas for a short time (nadim khemir) 2. Re: in dallas for a short time (Stuart Johnston) 3. Re: in dallas for a short time (Jerry Kassebaum) 4. Re: in dallas for a short time (Stuart Johnston) 5. Re: in dallas for a short time (fREW Schmidt) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:33:52 -0600 From: nadim khemir To: dfw-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sorry for the spam but could anyone in the mailing list tell me a bit about the market in Dallas? Cheers, Nadim. Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Dfw-pm mailing list Dfw-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm ------------------------------ End of Dfw-pm Digest, Vol 22, Issue 3 ************************************* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfwpm at internetalias.net Wed Nov 7 13:23:21 2012 From: dfwpm at internetalias.net (Tommy Butler) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:23:21 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: <509AADF9.3020006@gmail.com> References: , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> <509AADF9.3020006@gmail.com> Message-ID: <509AD149.6030303@internetalias.net> Jerry, I enjoy programming in Catalyst and DBIx::Class A LOT. For the first couple weeks of using DBIx::Class I couldn't tell whether or not I was on some code-induced acid trip. Turns out now I'd never program in Perl against a database without it. It's SQL "the right way". I have to agree with everything that's been said by our members here. There are certain skills you should be working on if you are looking to make yourself attractive as a Perl developer. My personal advice would be to get Chromatic's Modern Perl book (it's free), and to start learning Moose. After you have become proficient in that, you should (again this is my personal advice) start learing SQL, and by extension, DBIx::Class. Then ask yourself what you'd need to know if you wanted a job as a Perl developer in today's world... how much of the "stack" would you want/need to master? Do you know how to run a Linux server? Do you understand PSGI? Do you understand basic networking? Do you know and understand SQL and one or more of the popular emerging NoSQL technologies? Could you set up a database server? Can you use modern coding tools and revision control systems such as git? Like in mathematics, to fully understand the equation, you must examine both sides-- so let's apply this principle to your pursuit of skills and experience: Look at the job you want and observe what is required. Then go back to the other side of the equation and look at yourself. Figure out what's missing on your side, and set about working to obtain the skills demanded (calculate the variables and balance the equation). In practice, this would involve something like going to monster.com and looking for jobs that match a search for "Perl developer". Take a look at those lists of skills requirements. Look at lots of jobs. I guarantee it won't take more than a half hour before you've got a very firm handle on what skills the industry is wanting today. Once you know what you need to know, know where to go to learn it! (Pssst. This is a good place for help). I'm starting to plan the next several months of our group's meetings and topics. Formal lectures, presentations, and labs are in the works. I invite you to submit your request for coverage of any Perl technology that you want to put on your resume. -- Tommy Butler On 11/07/2012 12:52 PM, fREW Schmidt wrote: > We're using Catalyst heavily (Richardson.) Also, look into DBIx::Class > if you touch databases :) > > On 11/07/2012 11:46 AM, Stuart Johnston wrote: >> Unfortunately, most employers are going to want real-world, job >> experience. To substitute for that, make sure you have code that you >> are proud to share. Put it on github. Look into working on some CPAN >> modules. >> >> Books to read: chromatic's "Modern Perl", Conway's "Perl Best >> Practices", and if you are really ambitious, MJD's "Higher-Order >> Perl". Has anyone read "Effective Perl Programming"? That's probably a >> good one too. (Assuming you have already read "the Camel".) >> >> Try using Moose and Plack. Frameworks are good too. Catalyst, Dancer, >> Mojolicious. I know of at least one DFW employer using Catalyst. >> >> Have fun! >> >> >> On 11/7/2012 11:25 AM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: >>> Stuart and Group, >>> >>> What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? I >>> can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info >>> into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages with >>> Ajax. What should I study next? >>> >>> Jerry Kassebaum >>> >>> > Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 09:41:16 -0600 >>> > From: saj at thecommune.net >>> > To: dfw-pm at pm.org >>> > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time >>> > >>> > I haven't been looking but I do get emails from recruiters, >>> > occasionally. I know Yahoo was hiring recently. >>> > >>> > Early this year when I was trying to find a new contractor, the best >>> > candidates often has accepted another position before I could get >>> them >>> > in for interviews. From my perspective, the market seems to favor job >>> > seekers, assuming you have the skills. >>> > >>> > Overall, the economy in North Texas is better than in many parts >>> of the >>> > country. >>> > >>> > >>> > On 11/7/2012 9:33 AM, nadim khemir wrote: >>> > > Sorry for the spam but could anyone in the mailing list tell me >>> a bit >>> > > about the market in Dallas? >>> > > >>> > > Cheers, Nadim. >>> > > >>> > > On Fri, Nov 2, 2012 at 2:19 PM, nadim khemir >>> >> > > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > thank for your input. I am here for a short while and I may be able >>> > > to attend. >>> > > >>> > > Another question is: how does the market look here? >>> > > >>> > > cheers, Nadim >>> > > >>> > > On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 4:07 PM, John Fields >> > > > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > Whoops! 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Would you (y'all) recommend that or something else? > > How about Network Flow Analysis by Lucas, Michael? Anyone read it? > > I'll pick up Modern Perl Programming by Saltzman, Michael and > Higher-order Perl: A Guide to Program Transformation by Dominus, Mark > Jason tomorrow. I hope those are the two you meant. > > I came up empty looking for Moose, Plack, Dancer, Mojolicious, DBIx. > Unless you think I should prioritize one of them, I'll save that for later. > > Jerry Kassebaum > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > From wigthft at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 13:48:10 2012 From: wigthft at gmail.com (John Fields) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 15:48:10 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hirability In-Reply-To: References: <50919317.6000907@gmail.com> <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> <509AADF9.3020006@gmail.com> <509AD149.6030303@internetalias.net> Message-ID: Jerry, Nooooooo. :). Cisco Catalyst is not what they were after. Networking - that is a whole different elephant. Glad to met you Sat BTW! JF On Nov 7, 2012 3:41 PM, "Jerry Kassebaum" wrote: > Thanks, Stuart, fREW and Tommy, for your help! > > Catalyst as in networking? The Dallas library has Network Warrior by > Donahue, Gary A. Would you (y'all) recommend that or something else? > > How about Network Flow Analysis by Lucas, Michael? Anyone read it? > > I'll pick up Modern Perl Programming by Saltzman, Michael and Higher-order > Perl: A Guide to Program Transformation by Dominus, Mark Jason tomorrow. I > hope those are the two you meant. > > I came up empty looking for Moose, Plack, Dancer, Mojolicious, DBIx. > Unless you think I should prioritize one of them, I'll save that for later. > > Jerry Kassebaum > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfwpm at internetalias.net Wed Nov 7 13:48:36 2012 From: dfwpm at internetalias.net (Tommy Butler) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 15:48:36 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hirability In-Reply-To: <509AD6F4.5050403@thecommune.net> References: , , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , , , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net>, <509AADF9.3020006@gmail.com>, <509AD149.6030303@internetalias.net> <509AD6F4.5050403@thecommune.net> Message-ID: <509AD734.4020807@internetalias.net> http://www.onyxneon.com/books/modern_perl/modern_perl_letter.pdf On 11/07/2012 03:47 PM, Stuart Johnston wrote: > http://www.catalystframework.org/ > http://azurl.net/0977920178 > http://azurl.net/0596001738 > http://azurl.net/0321496949 > http://moose.iinteractive.com/ > http://plackperl.org/ > https://metacpan.org/module/DBIx::Class > > > On 11/7/2012 3:41 PM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: >> Thanks, Stuart, fREW and Tommy, for your help! >> >> Catalyst as in networking? The Dallas library has Network Warrior by >> Donahue, Gary A. Would you (y'all) recommend that or something else? >> >> How about Network Flow Analysis by Lucas, Michael? Anyone read it? >> >> I'll pick up Modern Perl Programming by Saltzman, Michael and >> Higher-order Perl: A Guide to Program Transformation by Dominus, Mark >> Jason tomorrow. I hope those are the two you meant. >> >> I came up empty looking for Moose, Plack, Dancer, Mojolicious, DBIx. >> Unless you think I should prioritize one of them, I'll save that for >> later. >> >> Jerry Kassebaum >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dfw-pm mailing list >> Dfw-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm From frioux at gmail.com Wed Nov 7 19:57:03 2012 From: frioux at gmail.com (fREW Schmidt) Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2012 21:57:03 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hirability In-Reply-To: References: <50919317.6000907@gmail.com> <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> <509AADF9.3020006@gmail.com> <509AD149.6030303@internetalias.net> Message-ID: Full text for HOP is available online: http://hop.perl.plover.com/ On Nov 7, 2012 3:41 PM, "Jerry Kassebaum" wrote: > Thanks, Stuart, fREW and Tommy, for your help! > > Catalyst as in networking? 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URL: From kbrannen at pwhome.com Wed Nov 7 20:00:36 2012 From: kbrannen at pwhome.com (kevin) Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2012 22:00:36 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> References: , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> Message-ID: <509B2E64.8070609@pwhome.com> On books... I liked Conway's "Perl Best Practices". Even when I didn't totally agree with it, he says up front that if you think about the "why" and feel like you can defend your answer, then the book has worked (or something like that). It did make me think about how and why I work, so it was a success. I found Conway's "Object Oriented Perl" to be fantastic and well worth the price. Besides discussing multiple ways to do OO, he also has good advice on perl programming in general. In fact, Damian Conway is my favorite Perl author and he's a blast to listen to if you can catch him at a conference or a talk. (I hope we can get him to come back and give a talk to our group again.) I've read Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" and didn't care for it. While there is some interesting stuff, there's not enough to make it worthwhile -- fortunately it was free I would have been very disappointed if I had bought it. To me, it was like he had an "Iterator hammer" and tried to solve most problems with them. While that works well on some problems, it felt like he was having to stretch too much to make that work on too many of the problems. I've got "Modern Perl", but have yet to read it. I'm presently working my way thru the O'Reilly Git book. :) I do recommend the Chacon "Pro Git" book, and it's free online. HTH, Kevin On 11/07/2012 11:46 AM, Stuart Johnston wrote: > Unfortunately, most employers are going to want real-world, job > experience. To substitute for that, make sure you have code that you are > proud to share. Put it on github. Look into working on some CPAN modules. > > Books to read: chromatic's "Modern Perl", Conway's "Perl Best > Practices", and if you are really ambitious, MJD's "Higher-Order Perl". > Has anyone read "Effective Perl Programming"? That's probably a good one > too. (Assuming you have already read "the Camel".) > > Try using Moose and Plack. Frameworks are good too. Catalyst, Dancer, > Mojolicious. I know of at least one DFW employer using Catalyst. > > Have fun! > > > On 11/7/2012 11:25 AM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: >> Stuart and Group, >> >> What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? I >> can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info >> into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages with >> Ajax. What should I study next? From kassebaumj at hotmail.com Thu Nov 8 05:12:19 2012 From: kassebaumj at hotmail.com (Jerry Kassebaum) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 07:12:19 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: <509B2E64.8070609@pwhome.com> References: , , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , , , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net>, , <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net>, <509B2E64.8070609@pwhome.com> Message-ID: Kevin, Object Oriented Perl sounds great! Dallas library doesn't have it, but I'll probably get it one way or the other after I've studied some of the other books suggested by the group. I have no idea what Git is, but since both books are free, I will soon. Jerry P.S. fREW, I'm going to pick up a hard-copy HOP at the library. > On books... > > I liked Conway's "Perl Best Practices". Even when I didn't totally agree > with it, he says up front that if you think about the "why" and feel > like you can defend your answer, then the book has worked (or something > like that). It did make me think about how and why I work, so it was a > success. > > I found Conway's "Object Oriented Perl" to be fantastic and well worth > the price. Besides discussing multiple ways to do OO, he also has good > advice on perl programming in general. In fact, Damian Conway is my > favorite Perl author and he's a blast to listen to if you can catch him > at a conference or a talk. (I hope we can get him to come back and give > a talk to our group again.) > > I've read Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" and didn't care for it. While > there is some interesting stuff, there's not enough to make it > worthwhile -- fortunately it was free I would have been very > disappointed if I had bought it. To me, it was like he had an "Iterator > hammer" and tried to solve most problems with them. While that works > well on some problems, it felt like he was having to stretch too much to > make that work on too many of the problems. > > I've got "Modern Perl", but have yet to read it. > > I'm presently working my way thru the O'Reilly Git book. :) I do > recommend the Chacon "Pro Git" book, and it's free online. > > HTH, > Kevin > > > On 11/07/2012 11:46 AM, Stuart Johnston wrote: > > Unfortunately, most employers are going to want real-world, job > > experience. To substitute for that, make sure you have code that you are > > proud to share. Put it on github. Look into working on some CPAN modules. > > > > Books to read: chromatic's "Modern Perl", Conway's "Perl Best > > Practices", and if you are really ambitious, MJD's "Higher-Order Perl". > > Has anyone read "Effective Perl Programming"? That's probably a good one > > too. (Assuming you have already read "the Camel".) > > > > Try using Moose and Plack. Frameworks are good too. Catalyst, Dancer, > > Mojolicious. I know of at least one DFW employer using Catalyst. > > > > Have fun! > > > > > > On 11/7/2012 11:25 AM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: > >> Stuart and Group, > >> > >> What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? I > >> can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info > >> into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages with > >> Ajax. What should I study next? > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddaupert at csc.com Thu Nov 8 08:00:38 2012 From: ddaupert at csc.com (Dennis Daupert) Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2012 11:00:38 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: <509B2E64.8070609@pwhome.com> References: , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> <509B2E64.8070609@pwhome.com> Message-ID: > I've read Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" and didn't care for it. Sorry for the top-post -- Lotus Notes does what it does. I have a different reaction to "Higher Order Perl." I got a lot out of it. I hadn't had any dealings with self-referencing subroutines previously, and had a problem to solve for work that Dominus's stuff solved fantastically. The code I ended up writing evolved into a tool used regularly by our team and has saved countless hours in our development work. Looking at what the market wants is certainly important on a career level. But I'd like to put in a plug for attending to what your interests are, what really turns you on. Doing so has helped me keep my fires lit over the years. I don't always get to do what I want to do at work every day, but since I've made it a practice to speak to what I like to do, many times team members and various managers have found ways to use my Perl skills in places where that might not have happened otherwise. Case in point. I got really, really interested in Catalyst and DBIx::Class a couple years back, and started building hobby web sites on my personal linux machine on weekends. One day at work, the subject came up around needing a place to collect the succession of documents and code packages our team had been building. I piped up with the idea that a dedicated web site would be ideal. To my surprise, the manager OKed that idea, and gave me the time and support to build the site for in-house use, and the final product proved extremely useful. For me, hog heaven :-) /dennis From: kevin To: dfw-pm at pm.org Date: 11/07/2012 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time Sent by: "Dfw-pm" On books... I liked Conway's "Perl Best Practices". Even when I didn't totally agree with it, he says up front that if you think about the "why" and feel like you can defend your answer, then the book has worked (or something like that). It did make me think about how and why I work, so it was a success. I found Conway's "Object Oriented Perl" to be fantastic and well worth the price. Besides discussing multiple ways to do OO, he also has good advice on perl programming in general. In fact, Damian Conway is my favorite Perl author and he's a blast to listen to if you can catch him at a conference or a talk. (I hope we can get him to come back and give a talk to our group again.) I've read Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" and didn't care for it. While there is some interesting stuff, there's not enough to make it worthwhile -- fortunately it was free I would have been very disappointed if I had bought it. To me, it was like he had an "Iterator hammer" and tried to solve most problems with them. While that works well on some problems, it felt like he was having to stretch too much to make that work on too many of the problems. I've got "Modern Perl", but have yet to read it. I'm presently working my way thru the O'Reilly Git book. :) I do recommend the Chacon "Pro Git" book, and it's free online. HTH, Kevin On 11/07/2012 11:46 AM, Stuart Johnston wrote: > Unfortunately, most employers are going to want real-world, job > experience. To substitute for that, make sure you have code that you are > proud to share. Put it on github. Look into working on some CPAN modules. > > Books to read: chromatic's "Modern Perl", Conway's "Perl Best > Practices", and if you are really ambitious, MJD's "Higher-Order Perl". > Has anyone read "Effective Perl Programming"? That's probably a good one > too. (Assuming you have already read "the Camel".) > > Try using Moose and Plack. Frameworks are good too. Catalyst, Dancer, > Mojolicious. I know of at least one DFW employer using Catalyst. > > Have fun! > > > On 11/7/2012 11:25 AM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: >> Stuart and Group, >> >> What would you suggest I do to build my skills to make myself hirable? I >> can use cgi and regular expressions to scrape websites and put the info >> into a MySQL database. I can also update divs and spans in webpages with >> Ajax. What should I study next? _______________________________________________ Dfw-pm mailing list Dfw-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kbrannen at pwhome.com Thu Nov 8 14:30:57 2012 From: kbrannen at pwhome.com (kevin) Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2012 16:30:57 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] in dallas for a short time In-Reply-To: References: , <50919317.6000907@gmail.com>, , , <509A811C.2030904@thecommune.net> <509A9E5B.9010007@thecommune.net> <509B2E64.8070609@pwhome.com> Message-ID: <509C32A1.5070100@pwhome.com> On 11/08/2012 10:00 AM, Dennis Daupert wrote: >>I've read Dominus's "Higher Order Perl" and didn't care for it. > > Sorry for the top-post -- Lotus Notes does what it does. > > I have a different reaction to "Higher Order Perl." I got a lot out of > it. I hadn't had any > dealings with self-referencing subroutines previously, and had a problem > to solve > for work that Dominus's stuff solved fantastically. The code I ended up > writing evolved > into a tool used regularly by our team and has saved countless hours in > our development work. Just to be clear and give a little more detail, because as Dennis points out, it's not a bad book and I don't want people to think that. Even though I didn't care for the book, I'd still recommend that it should be looked at to see if it hits you where you live (generic you). There are some good nuggets in there, just not as many as I would have liked to see. As we're all unique, it'll hit each of us differently. For me, I didn't get so much out of it as I felt like he kept going Iterators, Iterators, Iterators, and the examples he used didn't do much for me. If a person doesn't know much about anonymous subs and/or Iterators, you'll learn a lot from this book. It gave me some insight as to how Perl 6 will do a few of the new features advertised (if it ever sees the light of day). His later chapter on parsing was semi-interesting to me as to how he made it work (I don't need to build a parser like that and if I did I'd probably use Parse::RecDecent anyway instead of building my own). Dominus is a very smart person with regards to Perl and he gives a lot to the community ... and we can all appreciate his generous donation of making the book free for download. :) Get it and look it over, perhaps it will help you. Kevin From wigthft at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 09:45:21 2012 From: wigthft at gmail.com (John Fields) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 11:45:21 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Dallas MakerSpace Open House is TODAY! Message-ID: <509E92B1.5040202@gmail.com> (No perl this time around - just general interest...) Just in case you hadn't heard - it is time to party! Geek party! With Free food and more stuff! Robots, quad-copters, electron-omix, metal melting and forging, wood working, precision airbrushing... you name it we do it (and so can you!). Come on out anytime today, but things start rolling down after 7. John Fields http://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/DMS_Open_House_2012 Raffle tickets are $5 each, funds from the raffle will be earmarked for acquiring a new laser cutter system for DMS. Tickets will be drawn for prizes starting at 1 pm and continuing every hour. Prize order starts at the bottom of the list and ends at the top. All raffle ticket purchases are tax deductible. Winners must be present to win. *6 PM *2 Pololu 3pi Robot $99 2 Sparkfun Inventors Kit $94.95 *5 PM* 3 Olimex AVR-MT128 AVR Dev Board $49.99 3 SparkFun LilyPad E-Sewing Kit $54.99 *4 PM* 3 SparkFun Netduino Mini $29.95 3 SparkFun Tool Kit ? Beginner $21.95 *3 PM* 1 SparkFun LilyPad TechStyles Kit $24.95 3 SparkFun Simon Game ? Through-Hole Soldering Kit $24.95 *2 PM* 2 SparkFun LED Christmas Tree Kit $17.95 2 Oreilly Getting Started with Arduino $12.99 *1 PM* 3 Sparkfun Weevil Eye Kit $9.95 2 SparkFun Wire Strippers 30AWG $4.95 4 Hackerspace Passport $1.95 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thegattaca at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 10:05:42 2012 From: thegattaca at gmail.com (Matthew Phillips) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:05:42 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Dallas MakerSpace Open House is TODAY! In-Reply-To: <509E92B1.5040202@gmail.com> References: <509E92B1.5040202@gmail.com> Message-ID: When they go back to calling it hackerspace, then i might consider visiting. Anybody who thinks the term hacker is a derogatory term is a complete idiot who should be subjected to using only MS Windows. A buddy of mine was banned from this place for using that term correctly. Something about some redneck lady who thinks she owns the place. On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 11:45 AM, John Fields wrote: > (No perl this time around - just general interest...) > Just in case you hadn't heard - it is time to party! Geek party! With Free > food and more stuff! > Robots, quad-copters, electron-omix, metal melting and forging, wood > working, precision airbrushing... you name it we do it (and so can you!). > > Come on out anytime today, but things start rolling down after 7. > John Fields > > http://dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/DMS_Open_House_2012 > > Raffle tickets are $5 each, funds from the raffle will be earmarked for > acquiring a new laser cutter system for DMS. > Tickets will be drawn for prizes starting at 1 pm and continuing every hour. > Prize order starts at the bottom of the list and ends at the top. > All raffle ticket purchases are tax deductible. Winners must be present to > win. > > 6 PM > 2 Pololu 3pi Robot $99 > 2 Sparkfun Inventors Kit $94.95 > > 5 PM > 3 Olimex AVR-MT128 AVR Dev Board $49.99 > 3 SparkFun LilyPad E-Sewing Kit $54.99 > > 4 PM > 3 SparkFun Netduino Mini $29.95 > 3 SparkFun Tool Kit ? Beginner $21.95 > > 3 PM > 1 SparkFun LilyPad TechStyles Kit $24.95 > 3 SparkFun Simon Game ? Through-Hole Soldering Kit $24.95 > > 2 PM > 2 SparkFun LED Christmas Tree Kit $17.95 > 2 Oreilly Getting Started with Arduino $12.99 > > 1 PM > 3 Sparkfun Weevil Eye Kit $9.95 > 2 SparkFun Wire Strippers 30AWG $4.95 > 4 Hackerspace Passport $1.95 > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > From brian at pongonova.net Sat Nov 10 10:29:11 2012 From: brian at pongonova.net (Brian Koontz) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:29:11 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Dallas MakerSpace Open House is TODAY! In-Reply-To: References: <509E92B1.5040202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <20121110182911.GA13867@pongonova.net> On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:05:42PM -0600, Matthew Phillips wrote: > When they go back to calling it hackerspace, then i might consider > visiting. Anybody who thinks the term hacker is a derogatory term is a > complete idiot who should be subjected to using only MS Windows. A > buddy of mine was banned from this place for using that term > correctly. Something about some redneck lady who thinks she owns the > place. Hmm...attitude and a $50/mo buy-in. Both sound like turnoffs to me. --Brian From dfwpm at internetalias.net Sat Nov 10 10:38:10 2012 From: dfwpm at internetalias.net (Tommy Butler) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 12:38:10 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Dallas MakerSpace Open House is TODAY! In-Reply-To: References: <509E92B1.5040202@gmail.com> Message-ID: <509E9F12.5090803@internetalias.net> You're entitled to your opinion, Matthew, and I can respect that. I want to vouch for these guys though. Decent folks they are, and what they are doing is having a helluva lot of fun doing things that are a helluva lot of awesome. The 50/month buy-in is too expensive for me to consider a paid membership, but these folks have my support. They are doing a lot with/for open source and aside from my family, open source and software freedom are my hearts' deepest passions. -- Tommy Butler On 11/10/2012 12:05 PM, Matthew Phillips wrote: > When they go back to calling it hackerspace, then i might consider > visiting. Anybody who thinks the term hacker is a derogatory term is a > complete idiot who should be subjected to using only MS Windows. A > buddy of mine was banned from this place for using that term > correctly. Something about some redneck lady who thinks she owns the > place. > > > From jswitzer at gmail.com Sat Nov 10 11:28:20 2012 From: jswitzer at gmail.com (Jason Switzer) Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2012 13:28:20 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Dallas MakerSpace Open House is TODAY! In-Reply-To: References: <509E92B1.5040202@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 12:05 PM, Matthew Phillips wrote: > When they go back to calling it hackerspace, then i might consider > visiting. Anybody who thinks the term hacker is a derogatory term is a > complete idiot who should be subjected to using only MS Windows. A > buddy of mine was banned from this place for using that term > correctly. Something about some redneck lady who thinks she owns the > place. > That was pointless. Next time, just say "no thanks". --Jason Switzer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Next time, just hit the delete key if you don't agree. --Brian From scdawson at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 09:01:37 2012 From: scdawson at gmail.com (Shaun Dawson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 11:01:37 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Meeting tonight? Message-ID: Is there a meeting tonight at Peet's? Shaun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dfwpm at internetalias.net Tue Nov 13 11:23:11 2012 From: dfwpm at internetalias.net (Tommy Butler) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 13:23:11 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] PM::DFW->new() Message-ID: <50A29E1F.70404@internetalias.net> Next month we are going to resume having regular meetings with real speakers, presentations, interactive labs, and so forth. John and I have found a welcoming location for our meetings, but it is open to us only on Wednesdays. I'm proposing that we start meeting on the second Wednesday of each month. Feel free to voice any concerns about the proposed time, and they will be considered. Please take into account however that we arrange our meetings around the times when we have a place available to gather, and when it is convenient for the presenters (who work hard and sacrifice time/effort on our behalf in order to bring us Perl awesomeness). John and I have a great treat in store for us all. We have some excellent meetings lined up, regarding topics that are very popular in the Perl community today (relevant knowledge), in high market-demand and at useful at $work (profitable knowledge), and technology that is fun to work with (awesome knowledge). Our first meeting next month will be a meet and greet where we will unveil our shiny new curriculum for the next several months. There is no formal meeting tonight/tomorrow, but feel free to gather amongst yourselves as desired! -- Tommy Butler -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20121113221046.GA21264@pmichaud.com> I probably won't be there; will be at a soccer practice in Plano until after 8:00p. Enjoy! On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:59:10PM -0600, John Fields wrote: > I will be there.?? I volunteered to be the backup organizer for the (newly > energized) Dallas PM group.?? So will want to talk about what people want to > do/see from it. :) > On Nov 13, 2012 11:02 AM, "Shaun Dawson" wrote: > Is there a meeting tonight at Peet's? > > Shaun > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm From kassebaumj at hotmail.com Tue Nov 13 14:12:54 2012 From: kassebaumj at hotmail.com (Jerry Kassebaum) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:12:54 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Meeting tonight? In-Reply-To: <20121113221046.GA21264@pmichaud.com> References: , , <20121113221046.GA21264@pmichaud.com> Message-ID: Where is Peet's? What time? When and where is the next one? Jerry > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:10:46 -0600 > From: pmichaud at pobox.com > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] Meeting tonight? > > I probably won't be there; will be at a soccer practice in Plano > until after 8:00p. > > Enjoy! > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:59:10PM -0600, John Fields wrote: > > I will be there.? I volunteered to be the backup organizer for the (newly > > energized) Dallas PM group.? So will want to talk about what people want to > > do/see from it. :) > > On Nov 13, 2012 11:02 AM, "Shaun Dawson" wrote: > > Is there a meeting tonight at Peet's? > > > > Shaun > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dfw-pm mailing list > > Dfw-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dfw-pm mailing list > > Dfw-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scdawson at gmail.com Tue Nov 13 14:36:12 2012 From: scdawson at gmail.com (Shaun Dawson) Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:36:12 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] Meeting tonight? In-Reply-To: References: <20121113221046.GA21264@pmichaud.com> Message-ID: Peets coffee house in Allen. They happen at 7:00 PM on the second tuesday of each month. I'll be coming today (finally) so see you guys there! Shaun On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 4:12 PM, Jerry Kassebaum wrote: > Where is Peet's? What time? When and where is the next one? > > Jerry > > > Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 16:10:46 -0600 > > From: pmichaud at pobox.com > > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] Meeting tonight? > > > > > I probably won't be there; will be at a soccer practice in Plano > > until after 8:00p. > > > > Enjoy! > > > > On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 02:59:10PM -0600, John Fields wrote: > > > I will be there.? I volunteered to be the backup organizer for the > (newly > > > energized) Dallas PM group.? So will want to talk about what people > want to > > > do/see from it. :) > > > On Nov 13, 2012 11:02 AM, "Shaun Dawson" > wrote: > > > Is there a meeting tonight at Peet's? > > > > > > Shaun > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dfw-pm mailing list > > > Dfw-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Dfw-pm mailing list > > > Dfw-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dfw-pm mailing list > > Dfw-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From jswitzer at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 05:03:18 2012 From: jswitzer at gmail.com (Jason Switzer) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 07:03:18 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] PM::DFW->new() In-Reply-To: <50A2CF55.9020107@gmail.com> References: <50A29E1F.70404@internetalias.net> <50A2CF55.9020107@gmail.com> Message-ID: I wasn't able to make it to last night's meeting because I had to work late. Where is this new meeting place? Will it be at the same time? -Jason Switzer On Nov 13, 2012 4:53 PM, "John Fields" wrote: > Tommy is technically correct (ie: the best kind of correct): there is no > DFW perl Mongers meeting tonight. > > But... to avoid confusion there is the perl6 group meeting tonight. > Second Tuesday of every month, 7:00pm at Peet's Coffee in Allen, TX. > Peet's is inside the Markey Street Supermarket (gmaps link). > Market Street > 985 West Bethany Drive > Allen, TX 75013 > (972) 908-3830 > > > On 11/13/2012 01:23 PM, Tommy Butler wrote: > > There is no formal meeting tonight/tomorrow, but feel free to gather > amongst yourselves as desired! > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From perl at cjmweb.net Wed Nov 14 11:59:01 2012 From: perl at cjmweb.net (Christopher J. Madsen) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 13:59:01 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] PM::DFW->new() In-Reply-To: References: <50A29E1F.70404@internetalias.net> <50A2CF55.9020107@gmail.com> Message-ID: <50A3F805.2090902@cjmweb.net> On 11/14/2012 7:03 AM, Jason Switzer wrote: > I wasn't able to make it to last night's meeting because I had to work > late. Where is this new meeting place? Will it be at the same time? It's the Dallas Makerspace (http://dallasmakerspace.org/blog/about/). I expect it'll be roughly the same time, except on Wednesday, because the Makerspace already hosts a regular Tuesday night meeting (the Robot Builders Night Out). DFW.pm hasn't been added to the calendar yet. -- Chris Madsen perl at cjmweb.net -------------------- http://www.cjmweb.net -------------------- From wigthft at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 12:39:24 2012 From: wigthft at gmail.com (John Fields) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 14:39:24 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] PM::DFW->new() In-Reply-To: <50A29E1F.70404@internetalias.net> References: <50A29E1F.70404@internetalias.net> Message-ID: <50A4017C.4050002@gmail.com> Since the Allen Perl6 meetup at Peet's has been ongoing for a while, and it is the second Tuesday of each month, would anyone have an issue with them being so close together? ie: Literally the next day... Just checking if there was a reason to space them out. In case people wanted to do both, or they expected to only be able to go to one. I'm fine with the tight grouping but it could put downward pressure on the existing meetup, convenience of location not withstanding. 5... 4... 3... 2... :) JF On 11/13/2012 01:23 PM, Tommy Butler wrote: > John and I have found a welcoming location for our meetings, but it is > open to us only on Wednesdays. I'm proposing that we start meeting on > the second Wednesday of each month. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm fine > with the tight grouping but it could put downward pressure on the existing > meetup, convenience of location not withstanding. > > 5... 4... 3... 2... :) > JF > > > On 11/13/2012 01:23 PM, Tommy Butler wrote: > > John and I have found a welcoming location for our meetings, but it is > open to us only on Wednesdays. I'm proposing that we start meeting on the > second Wednesday of each month. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wigthft at gmail.com Wed Nov 14 15:20:22 2012 From: wigthft at gmail.com (John Fields) Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2012 17:20:22 -0600 Subject: [DFW.pm] PM::DFW->new() In-Reply-To: References: <50A29E1F.70404@internetalias.net> <50A4017C.4050002@gmail.com> Message-ID: They are technically separate groups with separate mailing lists, but a LOT of overlap. So revival! Just asking what would work best for everyone. Be most inclusive... 2nd Wednesday is the current plan unless feedback says different. On Nov 14, 2012 4:40 PM, "Jason Switzer" wrote: > Wait, is this an additional meeting meant to revive the older DFW.pm or is > it meant to replace the Allen meetings? > > -Jason Switzer > On Nov 14, 2012 2:39 PM, "John Fields" wrote: > >> Since the Allen Perl6 meetup at Peet's has been ongoing for a while, and >> it is the second Tuesday of each month, would anyone have an issue with >> them being so close together? ie: Literally the next day... >> >> Just checking if there was a reason to space them out. In case people >> wanted to do both, or they expected to only be able to go to one. I'm fine >> with the tight grouping but it could put downward pressure on the existing >> meetup, convenience of location not withstanding. >> >> 5... 4... 3... 2... :) >> JF >> >> >> On 11/13/2012 01:23 PM, Tommy Butler wrote: >> >> John and I have found a welcoming location for our meetings, but it is >> open to us only on Wednesdays. I'm proposing that we start meeting on the >> second Wednesday of each month. >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dfw-pm mailing list >> Dfw-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: