From brandhilton at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:28:19 2011 From: brandhilton at gmail.com (Brand Hilton) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:28:19 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? Message-ID: I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any thoughts? Brand -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jhking at airmail.net Thu Sep 8 13:36:17 2011 From: jhking at airmail.net (Jason H King) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 13:36:17 -0700 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? Message-ID: <20110908133617.F7A9B92D@resin12.mta.everyone.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zappepcs at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:36:44 2011 From: zappepcs at gmail.com (S Z) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:36:44 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Brand, Is the job working on any of the newer Perl developments? (Catalyst, Rakudo, Plack, Moose etc) There are a lot of jobs with mostly Java/C/etc with some Perl, and some jobs with mostly Perl with some Java/C/etc. It may not be exciting to refactor some old perl scripts, but working with newer developments is fairly cool. Perhaps you might want to look at it from that perspective as well? SZ 2011/9/8 Brand Hilton > I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few years > now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but I'm > concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any thoughts? > > > Brand > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brandhilton at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 13:42:52 2011 From: brandhilton at gmail.com (Brand Hilton) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 15:42:52 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Perl CGI scripts, I'm afraid. I'm talking to them some more tomorrow, and I'll get an idea of how interested they are in updating their technology. 2011/9/8 S Z > Brand, > Is the job working on any of the newer Perl developments? (Catalyst, > Rakudo, Plack, Moose etc) > There are a lot of jobs with mostly Java/C/etc with some Perl, and some > jobs with mostly Perl with some Java/C/etc. > It may not be exciting to refactor some old perl scripts, but working with > newer developments is fairly cool. Perhaps you might want to look at it from > that perspective as well? > > SZ > > 2011/9/8 Brand Hilton > >> I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few >> years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but >> I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any thoughts? >> >> >> Brand >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Dfw-pm mailing list >> Dfw-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmichaud at pobox.com Thu Sep 8 14:12:58 2011 From: pmichaud at pobox.com (Patrick R. Michaud) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 16:12:58 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20110908211258.GC9364@pmichaud.com> On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 03:28:19PM -0500, Brand Hilton wrote: > I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few years > now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but I'm > concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any thoughts? >From all of the studies I've seen, although Perl might have "decreasing market share" (percentage of market) in languages, it still very much has an "increasing market size" (number of jobs and companies using Perl). Indeed, the rate of increase is itself reported to be increasing. I don't think doing Perl is at all a bad career move. If you have Perl on your resume, then people generally know that you can make a transition to many other languages without too much difficulty. Indeed, I've heard several reports where Google has been hiring Perl programmers because of their Perl experience (but then puts them to work on Python-based projects). Pm From zappepcs at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 16:56:54 2011 From: zappepcs at gmail.com (S Z) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 18:56:54 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I've heard that Google rumor too.There are many more perl jobs advertised now than there were 2+ years ago. There are many companies who saw Perl as 'glue code' and now are entrenched in Perl based backend operations. They either hire perl coders or someone to port everything to something else - never a good choice to port everything to something else. Then there are companies who are actively supporting the perl ecosphere and new developments which are not being equaled (arguable) by other languages. In some cases it feels like Perl is catching up but with such a low bar to entry there are many things that could tip the scale. wxPerl, Moose(x), Catalyst etc. are poised to make a large value adds in the marketplace. Perl has a low bar to entry and adding MVC framework, easier GUI coding, and generally more coherent best practices; I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. It might not be what you want on your resume but I don't think it will hurt your resume. I see companies now looking hard enough that they are willing to accept remote staff to get perl resources. I'm happy with Perl on my resume. 2011/9/8 Brand Hilton > Perl CGI scripts, I'm afraid. I'm talking to them some more tomorrow, and > I'll get an idea of how interested they are in updating their technology. > > > 2011/9/8 S Z > >> Brand, >> Is the job working on any of the newer Perl developments? (Catalyst, >> Rakudo, Plack, Moose etc) >> There are a lot of jobs with mostly Java/C/etc with some Perl, and some >> jobs with mostly Perl with some Java/C/etc. >> It may not be exciting to refactor some old perl scripts, but working with >> newer developments is fairly cool. Perhaps you might want to look at it from >> that perspective as well? >> >> SZ >> >> 2011/9/8 Brand Hilton >> >>> I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few >>> years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but >>> I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any thoughts? >>> >>> >>> Brand >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> Dfw-pm mailing list >>> Dfw-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dfw-pm mailing list >> Dfw-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scdawson at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 17:23:58 2011 From: scdawson at gmail.com (Shaun Dawson) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 19:23:58 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just recently got an email from a company in China needing a Senior level Perl coder with Moose experience. That seems relevant to this discussion. It's a full-time position allowing the applicant to live anywhere in the world. Shaun 2011/9/8 S Z > I've heard that Google rumor too.There are many more perl jobs advertised > now than there were 2+ years ago. There are many companies who saw Perl as > 'glue code' and now are entrenched in Perl based backend operations. They > either hire perl coders or someone to port everything to something else - > never a good choice to port everything to something else. Then there are > companies who are actively supporting the perl ecosphere and new > developments which are not being equaled (arguable) by other languages. In > some cases it feels like Perl is catching up but with such a low bar to > entry there are many things that could tip the scale. wxPerl, Moose(x), > Catalyst etc. are poised to make a large value adds in the marketplace. Perl > has a low bar to entry and adding MVC framework, easier GUI coding, and > generally more coherent best practices; I don't see it going anywhere > anytime soon. > > It might not be what you want on your resume but I don't think it will hurt > your resume. I see companies now looking hard enough that they are willing > to accept remote staff to get perl resources. I'm happy with Perl on my > resume. > > > 2011/9/8 Brand Hilton > >> Perl CGI scripts, I'm afraid. I'm talking to them some more tomorrow, and >> I'll get an idea of how interested they are in updating their technology. >> >> >> 2011/9/8 S Z >> >>> Brand, >>> Is the job working on any of the newer Perl developments? (Catalyst, >>> Rakudo, Plack, Moose etc) >>> There are a lot of jobs with mostly Java/C/etc with some Perl, and some >>> jobs with mostly Perl with some Java/C/etc. >>> It may not be exciting to refactor some old perl scripts, but working >>> with newer developments is fairly cool. Perhaps you might want to look at it >>> from that perspective as well? >>> >>> SZ >>> >>> 2011/9/8 Brand Hilton >>> >>>> I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few >>>> years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but >>>> I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any thoughts? >>>> >>>> >>>> Brand >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Dfw-pm mailing list >>>> Dfw-pm at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dfw-pm mailing list >>> Dfw-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dfw-pm mailing list >> Dfw-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From steven_novakovich at yahoo.com Thu Sep 8 17:26:06 2011 From: steven_novakovich at yahoo.com (Steven Novakovich) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 17:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> I, too, have done quite a bit of Java in the past decade or so. But I can't stand Java, so I took a gig doing Perl. Am now finishing-up a complete re-write of a legacy Perl application...moved it to object-oriented. If you like what you're doing, it makes all the difference. Java programmers are a dime a dozen...if you also can say you've done some major projects using Perl and OOP (and/or a myriad of other languages and environments), you will look more well-rounded regarding your experience. ________________________________ From: Brand Hilton To: dfw-pm Sent: Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:28 PM Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few years now.? I now have an opportunity to do Perl again.? I love Perl, but I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move.? Any thoughts? Brand _______________________________________________ Dfw-pm mailing list Dfw-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cfreak at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 18:40:08 2011 From: cfreak at gmail.com (Chris Brown) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 20:40:08 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Where are all these Perl jobs at? Usually when I find anyone who wants Perl it's secondary to something else. I've spent the last 5 years doing PHP :( Chris 2011/9/8 Steven Novakovich > I, too, have done quite a bit of Java in the past decade or so. > But I can't stand Java, so I took a gig doing Perl. Am now finishing-up a > complete re-write of a legacy Perl application...moved it to > object-oriented. > If you like what you're doing, it makes all the difference. > Java programmers are a dime a dozen...if you also can say you've done some > major projects using Perl and OOP (and/or a myriad of other languages and > environments), you will look more well-rounded regarding your experience. > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Brand Hilton > *To:* dfw-pm > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:28 PM > > *Subject:* [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? > > I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few years > now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but I'm > concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any thoughts? > > > Brand > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > -- Sent by Chris Brown from his super 1337 gmail account -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saj at thecommune.net Thu Sep 8 18:56:13 2011 From: saj at thecommune.net (Stuart Johnston) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 20:56:13 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> As someone who has recently tried to hire Perl developers, I'd say there are more jobs than there are qualified candidates. When I posted to this list about the opening, I got *one* response. You also see companies like Booking.com who are willing to relocate people from all over the world in order to get good Perl developers. On 09/08/2011 08:40 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > Where are all these Perl jobs at? Usually when I find anyone who wants > Perl it's secondary to something else. I've spent the last 5 years doing > PHP :( > > Chris > > 2011/9/8 Steven Novakovich > > > I, too, have done quite a bit of Java in the past decade or so. > But I can't stand Java, so I took a gig doing Perl. Am now > finishing-up a complete re-write of a legacy Perl > application...moved it to object-oriented. > If you like what you're doing, it makes all the difference. > Java programmers are a dime a dozen...if you also can say you've > done some major projects using Perl and OOP (and/or a myriad of > other languages and environments), you will look more well-rounded > regarding your experience. > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Brand Hilton > > *To:* dfw-pm > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:28 PM > > *Subject:* [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? > > I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a > few years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love > Perl, but I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any > thoughts? From zappepcs at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 20:39:51 2011 From: zappepcs at gmail.com (S Z) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:39:51 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> Message-ID: Stuart, Are you still looking? On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Stuart Johnston wrote: > As someone who has recently tried to hire Perl developers, I'd say there > are more jobs than there are qualified candidates. When I posted to this > list about the opening, I got *one* response. You also see companies like > Booking.com who are willing to relocate people from all over the world in > order to get good Perl developers. > > > > > On 09/08/2011 08:40 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > >> Where are all these Perl jobs at? Usually when I find anyone who wants >> Perl it's secondary to something else. I've spent the last 5 years doing >> PHP :( >> >> Chris >> >> 2011/9/8 Steven Novakovich > >> >> >> >> I, too, have done quite a bit of Java in the past decade or so. >> But I can't stand Java, so I took a gig doing Perl. Am now >> finishing-up a complete re-write of a legacy Perl >> application...moved it to object-oriented. >> If you like what you're doing, it makes all the difference. >> Java programmers are a dime a dozen...if you also can say you've >> done some major projects using Perl and OOP (and/or a myriad of >> other languages and environments), you will look more well-rounded >> regarding your experience. >> >> ------------------------------**------------------------------** >> ------------ >> *From:* Brand Hilton > **> >> *To:* dfw-pm > >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:28 PM >> >> *Subject:* [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? >> >> I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a >> few years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love >> Perl, but I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any >> thoughts? >> > ______________________________**_________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/dfw-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From zappepcs at gmail.com Thu Sep 8 20:40:27 2011 From: zappepcs at gmail.com (S Z) Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 22:40:27 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: jobs.perl.org is a good place to start 2011/9/8 Chris Brown > Where are all these Perl jobs at? Usually when I find anyone who wants Perl > it's secondary to something else. I've spent the last 5 years doing PHP :( > > Chris > > > 2011/9/8 Steven Novakovich > >> I, too, have done quite a bit of Java in the past decade or so. >> But I can't stand Java, so I took a gig doing Perl. Am now finishing-up a >> complete re-write of a legacy Perl application...moved it to >> object-oriented. >> If you like what you're doing, it makes all the difference. >> Java programmers are a dime a dozen...if you also can say you've done some >> major projects using Perl and OOP (and/or a myriad of other languages and >> environments), you will look more well-rounded regarding your experience. >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Brand Hilton >> *To:* dfw-pm >> *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:28 PM >> >> *Subject:* [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? >> >> I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a few >> years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love Perl, but >> I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. 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URL: From paul at efserv.com Thu Sep 8 21:29:32 2011 From: paul at efserv.com (Paul Sandwell) Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 23:29:32 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction In-Reply-To: <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> Message-ID: <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickandperla.net Tue Sep 6 14:21:10 2011 From: nick at nickandperla.net (Nick Perez) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:21:10 +0000 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> Message-ID: <20110906212110.424de6a9.nick@nickandperla.net> As a new hire of Booking.com I can tell you as a matter of fact that we are looking for another 20 Perl developers before the end of the year (A goal we likely won't hit). The move to Amsterdam is indeed required. I've been here about 6 weeks now and it has been quite an... interesting experience-- The Dutch do things a little strangely-- but ultimately worth it. Since I've never lived anywhere but the US, the transition was perhaps a bit rougher, but with the help of friends and coworkers I've managed to smooth out the rough edges and I'm generally happier than I've been in a long time. The cheap, locally grown and lawfully obtainable pot doesn't hurt in that regard either, ha. Joking aside, if you are able to relocate across the pond and would like to hack on a wide range of systems, I'd love to help bring anyone willing. Booking does help out financially with relocation and travel. Disclamer: I do get a referral bonus, but if you are uncomfortable with that, I can point you in the right direction where you can apply yourself. Anyhow, my more general work experience with Perl has been one of frustration, dealing with older codebases where they've hand rolled the entire stack before the entire stack existed on CPAN. Even here I deal with that. It comes with the territory generally and is a big reason why demand in Perl is still big. That said, because of the big influx of Perl devs here evangelizing Modern Perl, the codebase is being influenced in the right directions, using more modern modules. Just my two cents. If anyone has any questions about living abroad or Booking.com or whatever, please feel free to email me off-list. On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 20:56:13 -0500 Stuart Johnston wrote: > As someone who has recently tried to hire Perl developers, I'd say there > are more jobs than there are qualified candidates. When I posted to this > list about the opening, I got *one* response. You also see companies > like Booking.com who are willing to relocate people from all over the > world in order to get good Perl developers. > > > > On 09/08/2011 08:40 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > > Where are all these Perl jobs at? Usually when I find anyone who wants > > Perl it's secondary to something else. I've spent the last 5 years doing > > PHP :( > > > > Chris > > > > 2011/9/8 Steven Novakovich > > > > > > I, too, have done quite a bit of Java in the past decade or so. > > But I can't stand Java, so I took a gig doing Perl. Am now > > finishing-up a complete re-write of a legacy Perl > > application...moved it to object-oriented. > > If you like what you're doing, it makes all the difference. > > Java programmers are a dime a dozen...if you also can say you've > > done some major projects using Perl and OOP (and/or a myriad of > > other languages and environments), you will look more well-rounded > > regarding your experience. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > *From:* Brand Hilton > > > > *To:* dfw-pm > > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:28 PM > > > > *Subject:* [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? > > > > I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java for a > > few years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. I love > > Perl, but I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career move. Any > > thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > -- Nick Perez From nick at nickandperla.net Tue Sep 6 14:32:17 2011 From: nick at nickandperla.net (Nick Perez) Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 21:32:17 +0000 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction In-Reply-To: <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com> Message-ID: <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net> Hey Paul, It seems like I just missed you as I was living in Arlington before leaving. That said, I tried unsuccessfully to get a smaller group/meeting started out there at UTA. The compsci chair wouldn't even return my email. You'd probably have better luck trying to organize something around Irving (which is at least closer than Allen), since other Perl using companies are more in that area. Failing that, I do recommend making the trip up to Allen. It is only once a month, and frew typically has some kind of presentation about some cool project he is working on. On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 23:29:32 -0500 Paul Sandwell wrote: > Hi, I'm new to the list and would like to introduce myself. > > I'm based in Arlington, and have been hacking Perl pretty much full-time for many years. As I work from home for my own company, I'm really interested in any get-togethers to meet other perl-mongers in the area. > > Does anyone meet nearer Arlington than the Allen group? Or live around here and would be interested in meeting? > > Paul > -- > > Paul Sandwell > Energy Frontiers Services LLC > 817-909-2974 > paul at efserv.com > www.efserv.com -- Nick Perez From saj at thecommune.net Fri Sep 9 06:07:49 2011 From: saj at thecommune.net (Stuart Johnston) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 08:07:49 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? In-Reply-To: References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> Message-ID: <4E6A0FA5.5010509@thecommune.net> I'm sorry, no. On 09/08/2011 10:39 PM, S Z wrote: > Stuart, > Are you still looking? > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 8:56 PM, Stuart Johnston > wrote: > > As someone who has recently tried to hire Perl developers, I'd say > there are more jobs than there are qualified candidates. When I > posted to this list about the opening, I got *one* response. You > also see companies like Booking.com who are willing to relocate > people from all over the world in order to get good Perl developers. > > > > > On 09/08/2011 08:40 PM, Chris Brown wrote: > > Where are all these Perl jobs at? Usually when I find anyone who > wants > Perl it's secondary to something else. I've spent the last 5 > years doing > PHP :( > > Chris > > 2011/9/8 Steven Novakovich > >> > > > I, too, have done quite a bit of Java in the past decade or so. > But I can't stand Java, so I took a gig doing Perl. Am now > finishing-up a complete re-write of a legacy Perl > application...moved it to object-oriented. > If you like what you're doing, it makes all the difference. > Java programmers are a dime a dozen...if you also can say you've > done some major projects using Perl and OOP (and/or a myriad of > other languages and environments), you will look more > well-rounded > regarding your experience. > > > ------------------------------__------------------------------__------------ > *From:* Brand Hilton > >__> > *To:* dfw-pm > >> > > *Sent:* Thursday, September 8, 2011 3:28 PM > > *Subject:* [DFW.pm] Should I take a Perl job? > > I used to do a lot of Perl, but I've been doing mostly Java > for a > few years now. I now have an opportunity to do Perl again. > I love > Perl, but I'm concerned that maybe it's not a good career > move. Any > thoughts? > > _________________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/__listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm From paul at efserv.com Fri Sep 9 07:57:22 2011 From: paul at efserv.com (Paul Sandwell) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 09:57:22 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction In-Reply-To: <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com> <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net> Message-ID: <4E6A2952.4080802@efserv.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To be clear, the next one will be on the 13th of this month. -- fREW Schmidt http://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From pmichaud at pobox.com Fri Sep 9 10:51:48 2011 From: pmichaud at pobox.com (Patrick R. Michaud) Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 12:51:48 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction In-Reply-To: References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com> <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net> <4E6A2952.4080802@efserv.com> Message-ID: <20110909175148.GA17272@pmichaud.com> On Fri, Sep 09, 2011 at 10:56:48AM -0500, fREW Schmidt wrote: > 2011/9/9 Paul Sandwell > > > When and where do they meet? > > > > Second Thursdays of the month, 7 pm. At the Peet's Coffee in Allen (on the > corner of 75 and Bethany.) ...which means our next meeting is this Tuesday, September 13. Hope to see you all there! Pm From dfwpm at internetalias.net Fri Sep 9 11:32:21 2011 From: dfwpm at internetalias.net (Tommy Butler) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:32:21 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction In-Reply-To: <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com> <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net> Message-ID: <4E6A5BB5.6010303@internetalias.net> I now live in Arlington, having moved back after a year or two away. I maintain, as ever, my passion for/love affair with Perl, Linux, open source, and light sabers. Anybody wanting to meet up in Arlington and talk tech, I'm game. Also, I wouldn't mind driving out to Allen/Plano on occasion to chat with others who share similar awesome interests. I might even be in the area tonight. -- Tommy Butler On 09/06/2011 04:32 PM, Nick Perez wrote: > Hey Paul, > > It seems like I just missed you as I was living in Arlington before leaving. That said, I tried unsuccessfully to get a smaller group/meeting started out there at UTA. The compsci chair wouldn't even return my email. You'd probably have better luck trying to organize something around Irving (which is at least closer than Allen), since other Perl using companies are more in that area. > > Failing that, I do recommend making the trip up to Allen. It is only once a month, and frew typically has some kind of presentation about some cool project he is working on. > > On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 23:29:32 -0500 > Paul Sandwell wrote: > >> Hi, I'm new to the list and would like to introduce myself. >> >> I'm based in Arlington, and have been hacking Perl pretty much full-time for many years. As I work from home for my own company, I'm really interested in any get-togethers to meet other perl-mongers in the area. >> >> Does anyone meet nearer Arlington than the Allen group? Or live around here and would be interested in meeting? >> >> Paul >> -- >> >> Paul Sandwell >> Energy Frontiers Services LLC >> 817-909-2974 >> paul at efserv.com >> www.efserv.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From paul at efserv.com Fri Sep 9 13:41:53 2011 From: paul at efserv.com (Paul Sandwell) Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2011 15:41:53 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction In-Reply-To: <20110909175148.GA17272@pmichaud.com> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net> <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com> <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net> <4E6A2952.4080802@efserv.com> <20110909175148.GA17272@pmichaud.com> Message-ID: <4E6A7A11.8060900@efserv.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kassebaumj at hotmail.com Sat Sep 10 06:23:20 2011 From: kassebaumj at hotmail.com (Jerry Kassebaum) Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 08:23:20 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction In-Reply-To: <4E6A5BB5.6010303@internetalias.net> References: <1315527966.29503.YahooMailNeo@web120203.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> <4E69723D.6070104@thecommune.net>, <4E69962C.6070009@efserv.com>, <20110906213217.3a517b7b.nick@nickandperla.net>, <4E6A5BB5.6010303@internetalias.net> Message-ID: I suggest meeting at Humperdinks, Arlington or NW Hwy. Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2011 13:32:21 -0500 From: dfwpm at internetalias.net To: dfw-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] Hello and Introduction I now live in Arlington, having moved back after a year or two away. I maintain, as ever, my passion for/love affair with Perl, Linux, open source, and light sabers. Anybody wanting to meet up in Arlington and talk tech, I'm game. Also, I wouldn't mind driving out to Allen/Plano on occasion to chat with others who share similar awesome interests. I might even be in the area tonight. -- Tommy Butler On 09/06/2011 04:32 PM, Nick Perez wrote: Hey Paul, It seems like I just missed you as I was living in Arlington before leaving. That said, I tried unsuccessfully to get a smaller group/meeting started out there at UTA. The compsci chair wouldn't even return my email. You'd probably have better luck trying to organize something around Irving (which is at least closer than Allen), since other Perl using companies are more in that area. Failing that, I do recommend making the trip up to Allen. It is only once a month, and frew typically has some kind of presentation about some cool project he is working on. On Thu, 08 Sep 2011 23:29:32 -0500 Paul Sandwell wrote: Hi, I'm new to the list and would like to introduce myself. I'm based in Arlington, and have been hacking Perl pretty much full-time for many years. As I work from home for my own company, I'm really interested in any get-togethers to meet other perl-mongers in the area. Does anyone meet nearer Arlington than the Allen group? Or live around here and would be interested in meeting? Paul -- Paul Sandwell Energy Frontiers Services LLC 817-909-2974 paul at efserv.com www.efserv.com _______________________________________________ Dfw-pm mailing list Dfw-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's the official info: ========================================= Software Freedom Day at Dallas Makerspace If you write free software, use free software, or want to learn about software freedom, come join us for Software Freedom Day. We'll be giving away swag from the Free Software Foundation, Redhat, Canonical, Creative Commons, and other groups. That means we'll have Redhat Fedora GNU/Linux CDs, Ubuntu GNU/Linux CDs, free software stickers, GPL stickers, anti-DRM (digital restrictions management) stickers, FSF newsletters, and more. We're planning some short talks about a range of topics covering how these important freedoms affect software, hardware, and other creative works. If you have a short attention span, not to worry! We'll have 5 minute lightening talks too on lots of freedom-related topics. Want to free your computer? Bring it along with you! We'll have experts on hand who can help you install GNU/Linux on your computer. Take your pick of the most popular GNU/Linux distros like Ubunutu and Fedora. More info including map and direction can be found on our website: http://www.dallasmakerspace.org/wiki/Software_Freedom_Day_2011 ========================================= Oh, and we've got a couple of slots left open in the schedule for 15-20 minute talks, so if anyone wants to do short talk on a Perl related topic, please let me know! -Steve Rainwater From zappepcs at gmail.com Tue Sep 13 09:25:30 2011 From: zappepcs at gmail.com (S Z) Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2011 11:25:30 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Contract position open Message-ID: If anyone is interested or looking, I know of a Perl/Linux/SQL contract position open and ready to be filled. Probably working out of a Houston office. The contract is 6 months, and the company is Experis (Comsys formerly). You can contact me on the list and we can go from there if you're interested. No, I'm not a recruiter. I just accepted one of two positions that are open. 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