From cjcervenka at yahoo.com Wed Sep 1 09:02:02 2010 From: cjcervenka at yahoo.com (Clement Cervenka) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 09:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! In-Reply-To: <20100830134909.58dfbf9a@nicklaptop.localnet> Message-ID: <416180.35124.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nick, You would surprised at the number of progammers who didn't even know that their was this issue and even fixes. Joe :)) --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Nick Perez wrote: > From: Nick Perez > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 1:49 PM > Um. Dude. You do realize that Perl > has nothing to do with PHP right? > And anyhow, Schwern fixed this issue for Perl back in > 2008. > http://use.perl.org/articles/08/02/07/197204.shtml > > > On Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:45:05 -0700 (PDT) > Clement Cervenka > wrote: > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Just came across this PHP Y2K problem, that you all > > might want to be FYI about this :))) > > > > Joe > > > > > > Is Your PHP Application Affected by the Y2K38 Bug? > > > > Right now, try running the following PHP code on your > system: > > > > > $date = '2040-02-01'; > > $format = 'l d F Y H:i'; > > $mydate1 = strtotime($date); > > echo '

', date($format, $mydate1), > '

'; > > ?> > > > > With luck, you'll see "Wednesday 1 February 2040 > 00:00" displayed in > > your browser. But if you're seeing a date from the > late 1960s or > > early '70s, your PHP application may be at risk from > the Y2K38 bug! > > > > What's the Y2K38 bug? > > > > Y2K38, or the Unix Millennium Bug, affects PHP and > many other > > languages and systems which use a signed 32-bit > integer to represent > > dates as the number of seconds since 00:00:00 UTC on 1 > January 1970. > > The furthest date that can be stored is 03:14:07 UTC > on 19 January > > 2038. Beyond that, the left-most bit is set and the > integer becomes a > > negative decimal number -- or a time prior to the > epoch. > > > > Yes, the furthest date is 28 years away, and I'm sure > many of you > > think it's ridiculous to worry about it now. However, > developers > > thought that way about the Millennium Bug in the 1970s > and '80s. > > Also, any web application that handles long-term > future events could > > be at risk. For example, consider that a typical > mortgage runs for 25 > > years, while pensions and savings plans can be far > longer. Will > > 64-bit save us? > > > > Probably. If you're using a 64-bit OS with a compiled > 64-bit edition > > of PHP, your application shouldn't be affected. I do > recommend that > > you test it, though. > > > > A signed 64-bit number gives a maximum future date > that is 21 times > > greater than the current age of the universe: 292 > billion years, give > > or take a day or two. You can probably rest easy if > you're confident > > your financial application will always be installed on > a 64-bit > > system. > > > > Are there alternative options? > > > > Fortunately, PHP introduced a new DateTime class in > version 5.2 > > (experimental support was available in 5.1, and be > aware that some > > methods were introduced in 5.3): > > > > > $date = '2040-02-01'; > > $format = 'l j F Y H:i'; > > $mydate2 = new DateTime($date); > > echo '

', $mydate2->format($format), > '

'; > > ?> > > > > DateTime does not suffer from Y2K38 problems and will > happily handle > > dates up to December 31, 9999. I hope to have paid off > my mortgage by > > then! It may not be worth upgrading existing > applications, but you > > should certainly consider the DateTime class when > planning your next > > project. > > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > _______________________________________________ > > Dfw-pm mailing list > > Dfw-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > > -- > > Nicholas Perez > XMPP/Email: nick at nickandperla.net > http://search.cpan.org/~nperez/ > http://github.com/nperez > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > From jswitzer at gmail.com Wed Sep 1 14:44:39 2010 From: jswitzer at gmail.com (Jason Switzer) Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2010 16:44:39 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! In-Reply-To: <416180.35124.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20100830134909.58dfbf9a@nicklaptop.localnet> <416180.35124.qm@web36804.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Clement, You'd be surprised how many people in the Perl community, such as our pm.org, dislike PHP. -Jason On Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM, "Clement Cervenka" wrote: Nick, You would surprised at the number of progammers who didn't even know that their was this issue and even fixes. Joe :)) --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Nick Perez wrote: > From: Nick Perez > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 1:49 PM > Um. Dude. You do realize that Perl > has nothing to do with PHP right? > And anyhow, Schwern fixed... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjcervenka at yahoo.com Thu Sep 2 07:06:35 2010 From: cjcervenka at yahoo.com (Clement Cervenka) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <370202.16635.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Jason, ? I do some subteaching with the FWISD, and in the 15 schools, only 1 floating teacher between 3 high school teachs Java, that being 1 class period per high school campus. ? On the other hand, flash is taught at 6 high school campus with full time teacher, that being 4 class period per day. A & B Day Schedule of 1 1/2 hour per class period, totaling 8 class periods. ? While subing I surveyed the students and no one has hear of php, pearl, phyron, cold fusion, linux or open source software programs, solarius, oracle, windows, apple/mac. ? Pretty much they are all interested in gaming design, an very few in gaming programming, and mostly for the consoles (xboxs). ? Also, I have hear of an lot of out sourcing/off shoring of projects lately, and I think this has an?lot to do with the lack of students interested?in the p's programming jobs. ? Joe ? --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Jason Switzer wrote: From: Jason Switzer Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! To: dfw-pm at pm.org Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:44 PM Clement, You'd be surprised how many people in the Perl community, such as our pm.org, dislike PHP. -Jason On Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM, "Clement Cervenka" wrote: Nick, You would surprised at the number of progammers who didn't even know that their was this issue and even fixes. Joe :)) --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Nick Perez wrote: > From: Nick Perez > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 1:49 PM > Um. Dude. You do realize that Perl > has nothing to do with PHP right? > And anyhow, Schwern fixed... -----Inline Attachment Follows----- _______________________________________________ Dfw-pm mailing list Dfw-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nick at nickandperla.net Thu Sep 2 07:55:46 2010 From: nick at nickandperla.net (Nick Perez) Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 09:55:46 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! In-Reply-To: <370202.16635.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <370202.16635.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20100902095546.23fecc7f@nicklaptop.localnet> This verbose, non-sequitur rant ignores the root problem here: PHP is not Perl. 32bit time epoch issues have already been resolved in Perl. That said, you seem to be in a unique position to do some free/open source software evangelizing, but please remember a few points. 1) It is spelled Perl. 2) It might seem pedantic, but the GNU in GNU/Linux is important. 3) Oracle, Solaris, OSX, etc., are closed platforms and not free/open source software* 4) Off-shoring has nothing to do with lack of programming interest or lack of programmers state side. It has everything to do with short-sighted management decisions, globalization of the tech market, and relatively cheaper labor. Please understand the true situation. * OSX's underlying UNIX implementation is indeed open source, but the UI on top of it is most certainly not. On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Clement Cervenka wrote: > Jason, > ? > I do some subteaching with the FWISD, and in the 15 > schools, only 1 floating teacher between 3 high school > teachs Java, that being 1 class period per high school > campus. > ? > On the other hand, flash is taught at 6 high school campus > with full time teacher, that being 4 class period per day. > A & B Day Schedule of 1 1/2 hour per class period, totaling > 8 class periods. > ? > While subing I surveyed the students and no one has hear > of php, pearl, phyron, cold fusion, linux or open source > software programs, solarius, oracle, windows, apple/mac. > ? > Pretty much they are all interested in gaming design, > an very few in gaming programming, and mostly for > the consoles (xboxs). > ? > Also, I have hear of an lot of out sourcing/off shoring > of projects lately, and I think this has an?lot to do with > the lack of students interested?in the p's programming > jobs. > ? > Joe > ? > > > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Jason Switzer wrote: > > > From: Jason Switzer > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:44 PM > > > > Clement, > You'd be surprised how many people in the Perl community, such as our > pm.org, dislike PHP. -Jason > > On Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM, "Clement Cervenka" > wrote: > > Nick, > > You would surprised at the number of progammers who didn't > even know that their was this issue and even fixes. > > Joe :)) > > --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Nick Perez wrote: > > > From: Nick Perez > > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! > > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > > Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 1:49 PM > > > Um. Dude. You do realize that Perl > has nothing to do with PHP > > right? > And anyhow, Schwern fixed... > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > -- Nicholas Perez XMPP/Email: nick at nickandperla.net http://search.cpan.org/~nperez/ http://github.com/nperez From cjcervenka at yahoo.com Fri Sep 3 08:09:37 2010 From: cjcervenka at yahoo.com (Clement Cervenka) Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 08:09:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! In-Reply-To: <20100902095546.23fecc7f@nicklaptop.localnet> Message-ID: <125573.45261.qm@web36806.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Nick, Thanks for the feedback, I should have provided more details, then being general statements in nature; I do know that Oracle, Solaris, OSX, etc.,are closed platforms and not free/open source software. I was listing programming languages that are general know to eveyone in the business, but the students don't know anything about them at all, and you can include HTML as well. (This is scarey and at the same time very funny) :))) But yet, all most all of the students know and use Open Office and its related programs. Some FYI that everyone should know about their school's vocational and technology programs. Funding,salaries and related equipement comes from the federal government (indirectly your taxes) and not from your local/state ISD taxes that you pay each year. No state/local property taxing funds are used at all, as asposed to the english,math,science, other classes and related materials and equipments, salaries and etc. which comes from your direct local/state ISD taxes. At an ISD, with an onsite,group,educational renewal fee for each campus (high,junior,elementary) just for the microsoft software various programs alone ran $20,000 per campus. Figuring 20 high, 60 junior, 80 elementary that 160 renewals at $20,000 per campus, that expensive. So of the ISD are now discounting teaching and using the microsoft various programs and have already switched to Open Office and its related programs, and its starting to become more common place. Also, due to funding such programs as CAD and autodesk programs have been discounted and replaced with chief architure, because newal fee for autodesk and CAD are even more expensives than microsoft and chief architure is given freely and updated/upgraded freely to the ISD, so is Solid Works as well. I have first hand experience with off-shoring, and several of my friends and work associates are curretly employed in this siutation, and I do agree that has everything to do with short-sighted management decisions, globalization of the tech market, and relatively cheaper labor. You might be intereted in knowing that about 20% of the printing in now done off-shore (china,mexico,etc.) Yet, when the students and I talk about this off-shoring they either don't know about it and aren't interested in its effect on the US job market. I can't figure out why this is happening or even make then understand that this affects their parents or even them, when they start job hunting. Maybe, its an generational thing. I wanted everyone to know whats going on in the technlogy fields at you local ISD, because the teaching of any programming lanaguages falls under this above category. The main thing, is that if the local business don't meet with and advise your local schools of its job skills and training, then these programming programs will be phrased out. Example is with the FWISD, that teaches only 1 class of Java and 3 class of Flash at 3 high school campuses only. Thanks for the feedback and hope this FYI. Joe --- On Thu, 9/2/10, Nick Perez wrote: > From: Nick Perez > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > Date: Thursday, September 2, 2010, 9:55 AM > This verbose, non-sequitur rant > ignores the root problem > here: PHP is not Perl. 32bit time epoch issues have already > been > resolved in Perl. > > That said, you seem to be in a unique position to do some > free/open > source software evangelizing, but please remember a few > points. > > 1) It is spelled Perl. > 2) It might seem pedantic, but the GNU in GNU/Linux is > important. > 3) Oracle, Solaris, OSX, etc., are closed platforms and not > free/open > source software* > 4) Off-shoring has nothing to do with lack of programming > interest or > lack of programmers state side. It has everything to do > with > short-sighted management decisions, globalization of the > tech market, > and relatively cheaper labor. Please understand the true > situation. > > * OSX's underlying UNIX implementation is indeed open > source, but the > ? UI on top of it is most certainly not. > > On Thu, 2 Sep 2010 07:06:35 -0700 (PDT) > Clement Cervenka > wrote: > > > Jason, > > ? > > I do some subteaching with the FWISD, and in the 15 > > schools, only 1 floating teacher between 3 high school > > > teachs Java, that being 1 class period per high school > > > campus. > > ? > > On the other hand, flash is taught at 6 high school > campus > > with full time teacher, that being 4 class period per > day. > > A & B Day Schedule of 1 1/2 hour per class period, > totaling > > 8 class periods. > > ? > > While subing I surveyed the students and no one has > hear > > of php, pearl, phyron, cold fusion, linux or open > source > > software programs, solarius, oracle, windows, > apple/mac. > > ? > > Pretty much they are all interested in gaming design, > > an very few in gaming programming, and mostly for > > the consoles (xboxs). > > ? > > Also, I have hear of an lot of out sourcing/off > shoring > > of projects lately, and I think this has an?lot to do > with > > the lack of students interested?in the p's > programming > > jobs. > > ? > > Joe > > ? > > > > > > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Jason Switzer > wrote: > > > > > > From: Jason Switzer > > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming Problem!!! > > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 4:44 PM > > > > > > > > Clement, > > You'd be surprised how many people in the Perl > community, such as our > > pm.org, dislike PHP. -Jason > > > > On Sep 1, 2010 11:17 AM, "Clement Cervenka" > > wrote: > > > > Nick, > > > > You would surprised at the number of progammers who > didn't > > even know that their was this issue and even fixes. > > > > Joe :)) > > > > --- On Mon, 8/30/10, Nick Perez > wrote: > > > > > From: Nick Perez > > > Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] PHP Y2K Programming > Problem!!! > > > To: dfw-pm at pm.org > > > Date: Monday, August 30, 2010, 1:49 PM > > > > > Um. Dude. You do realize that Perl > has > nothing to do with PHP > > > right? > And anyhow, Schwern fixed... > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dfw-pm mailing list > > Dfw-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > > > > > > > >? ? ??? > > > -- > > Nicholas Perez > XMPP/Email: nick at nickandperla.net > http://search.cpan.org/~nperez/ > http://github.com/nperez > _______________________________________________ > Dfw-pm mailing list > Dfw-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm > From nick at nickandperla.net Tue Sep 7 06:39:20 2010 From: nick at nickandperla.net (Nick Perez) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:39:20 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Update (Not really, sigh) and Organizing Message-ID: <20100907083920.3aa3fc26@nicknetbook> So I've been slammed with work this past month or so and I have not had the time to work further on the site (or even the code behind it). At this point, I am willing to just go with dumb HTML that we version in git. In other news, I've taken the first step to organizing an Arlington gathering by contacting the chairperson for the CSE department at UTA and inviting any faculty and students to a gathering this Thursday at the cafe in the B&N at the Parks Mall. This invitation is of course extended to anyone else on the list that would be interested in coming and hanging out. There are decent restaurants in the area, and of course, the food court in the mall if people have a hankerin' for mall food. -- Nicholas Perez XMPP/Email: nick at nickandperla.net http://search.cpan.org/~nperez/ http://github.com/nperez From nick at nickandperla.net Tue Sep 7 06:42:01 2010 From: nick at nickandperla.net (Nick Perez) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:42:01 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Update (Not really, sigh) and Organizing In-Reply-To: <20100907083920.3aa3fc26@nicknetbook> References: <20100907083920.3aa3fc26@nicknetbook> Message-ID: <20100907084201.11c590ac@nicknetbook> On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:39:20 -0500 Nick Perez wrote: > So I've been slammed with work this past month or so and I have not > had the time to work further on the site (or even the code behind > it). At this point, I am willing to just go with dumb HTML that we > version in git. > > In other news, I've taken the first step to organizing an Arlington > gathering by contacting the chairperson for the CSE department at UTA > and inviting any faculty and students to a gathering this Thursday at > the cafe in the B&N at the Parks Mall. > > This invitation is of course extended to anyone else on the list that > would be interested in coming and hanging out. There are decent > restaurants in the area, and of course, the food court in the mall if > people have a hankerin' for mall food. > I should note the meeting time around 19:00 CDT -- Nicholas Perez XMPP/Email: nick at nickandperla.net http://search.cpan.org/~nperez/ http://github.com/nperez From Ron.Bailey at marcgroup.com Tue Sep 7 07:01:30 2010 From: Ron.Bailey at marcgroup.com (Bailey, Ron) Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2010 09:01:30 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Update (Not really, sigh) and Organizing In-Reply-To: <20100907084201.11c590ac@nicknetbook> References: <20100907083920.3aa3fc26@nicknetbook> <20100907084201.11c590ac@nicknetbook> Message-ID: <4629AB1BEF163D4CB25C762CB72579762CECB0EE4A@DMSP-MSG-EVS03.mail.pvt> Nick, I've got this on my calendar and will try and make it Ron -----Original Message----- From: dfw-pm-bounces+ron.bailey=marcgroup.com at pm.org [mailto:dfw-pm-bounces+ron.bailey=marcgroup.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Nick Perez Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2010 8:42 AM To: dfw-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [DFW.pm] Update (Not really, sigh) and Organizing On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 08:39:20 -0500 Nick Perez wrote: > So I've been slammed with work this past month or so and I have not > had the time to work further on the site (or even the code behind > it). At this point, I am willing to just go with dumb HTML that we > version in git. > > In other news, I've taken the first step to organizing an Arlington > gathering by contacting the chairperson for the CSE department at UTA > and inviting any faculty and students to a gathering this Thursday at > the cafe in the B&N at the Parks Mall. > > This invitation is of course extended to anyone else on the list that > would be interested in coming and hanging out. There are decent > restaurants in the area, and of course, the food court in the mall if > people have a hankerin' for mall food. > I should note the meeting time around 19:00 CDT -- Nicholas Perez XMPP/Email: nick at nickandperla.net http://search.cpan.org/~nperez/ http://github.com/nperez _______________________________________________ Dfw-pm mailing list Dfw-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/dfw-pm [ALERT] -- Access Manager: This email is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail or the information herein by anyone other than the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering the message to the intended recipient, is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by calling our North American Help Desk at (972)506-3939. From frioux at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 20:07:21 2010 From: frioux at gmail.com (fREW Schmidt) Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 22:07:21 -0500 Subject: [DFW.pm] Fwd: Meeting next tuesday (Sept 14) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Woops, appears I forgot to also include this message to the overall dfw.pmlist! Sorry about that. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: fREW Schmidt Date: Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 9:27 AM Subject: Meeting next tuesday (Sept 14) To: dallasp6m at googlegroups.com Hey guys, We'll be meeting again next week at MarketPlace on Bethany and 75 in Allen. Same time as normal: 7pm. I can talk about my newest module (SQL::Abstract::Tree + friends) and I would also love to hear more about the state of Rakudo and Rakudo star. Hope to see you there! -- fREW Schmidt http://blog.afoolishmanifesto.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: