From admin at annery-kiln.eu Tue Jun 1 15:12:34 2010 From: admin at annery-kiln.eu (Marten Gallagher) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 23:12:34 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] Looking for a Perl programmer with some familiarity with Template Toolkit Message-ID: I am looking for a Perl programmer with some knowledge of Template Toolkit. The aim is to establish a working relationship to maintain existing, and create new, websites. The modus operandi could be any of a number of formats in temrs of how a design/technical realtionship might work. If you are interested then please get in touch. 01237 477605 07752 483908 admin at annery-kiln.eu -- Marten Gallagher Web Design and Management www.annery-kiln.eu and Web Editor for the Association of Teachers of Mathematics From simon at technocool.net Tue Jun 1 23:22:18 2010 From: simon at technocool.net (Simon Waters) Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 07:22:18 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] Looking for a Perl programmer with some familiarity with Template Toolkit In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C05F89A.5090307@technocool.net> Marten Gallagher wrote: > I am looking for a Perl programmer with some knowledge of Template Toolkit. > > The aim is to establish a working relationship to maintain existing, > and create new, websites. > > The modus operandi could be any of a number of formats in temrs of how > a design/technical realtionship might work. > > If you are interested then please get in touch. Hi Marten, at work (ZyNet) our current leading product is based on Perl and Template Toolkit (350.com). I'm sure work could come up with an arrangement. Although most of my work is building pages from template toolkit, I try and avoid reading or writing the Perl itself, which I leave mostly to my colleague Merlyn. Give us a call later (between 9:00 and 17:30) on 01392 209513 and we can discuss. Simon From steve at devon-it.co.uk Wed Jun 16 17:56:16 2010 From: steve at devon-it.co.uk (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 01:56:16 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] perl programmer required Message-ID: <20100617005616.GA16992@devon-it.co.uk> Evening I presently work with a North Devon based graphic designer who does all the graphic and html/css work on a number of web projects for a number of clients which we have been working with for some time. I am retiring from IT and going into another industry completely. I need someone to replace me doing the Perl, Javascript, SQL and bits of Linux part of the thing. Most of the projects are based on some libraries which I've built around Template Toolkit. There is plenty of work and it's long term. Would suit experienced home based Perl programmer. Apply direct to: steve at devon-it.co.uk cc: marten at annery-kiln.eu, that's myself and the graphics guy. Cheers Steve From steve at devon-it.co.uk Thu Jun 17 08:12:10 2010 From: steve at devon-it.co.uk (Steve Marvell) Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:12:10 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] [LUG] perl programmer required In-Reply-To: <20100617005616.GA16992@devon-it.co.uk> References: <20100617005616.GA16992@devon-it.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100617151210.GE19596@devon-it.co.uk> Just for clarity, this is not a permie job, this is a self employed, paid by the day/job thing with a number of jobs for a number of clients working with the designer who holds most of the contracts. Steve From sweetwatergeek at gmail.com Fri Jun 18 12:31:33 2010 From: sweetwatergeek at gmail.com (Martijn Grooten) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:31:33 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] Speaking of Perl Message-ID: How widely is it used these days? When I was at university in the second half of the 90s -- and was first introduced to Unix -- it was the thing everyone who wanted to do more than send emails and browse the web used. Now I can see why PHP has taken over for website development, as it is a lot more user-friendly, and Linux had become a lot less CLI-dependent but for anything that involves processing text data, it is still a great, fast and simple tool to use. It is my main tool in my job, which involves email processing and a bit of web development, and I wouldn't want to use something else. However, when I talk to people who know a a bit about programming and stuff and tell them I mostly use Perl, they stare at me as if I just told them I browse the web using Quarterdeck Mosaic. So do people still use Perl professionally? Privately? Are new people (say at uni) still learning Perl? Martijn. From webmaster at cosmicperl.com Fri Jun 18 12:51:11 2010 From: webmaster at cosmicperl.com (Lyle) Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 20:51:11 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] Speaking of Perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4C1BCE2F.6020300@cosmicperl.com> On 18/06/2010 20:31, Martijn Grooten wrote: > So do people still use Perl professionally? Privately? Are new people > (say at uni) still learning Perl? > I've been pushing Perl and UWE, but there was already a small handful of students that had found it by themselves. Sadly the vast majority go for PHP seemly solely on it's reputation of being easy to learn. I've taught secondard school students Perl is a course I ran for free. I'm hoping to run some more this year, and that others might take up the challenge. Lyle From Clive.Darke at qa.com Sat Jun 19 01:16:06 2010 From: Clive.Darke at qa.com (Darke, Clive) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 09:16:06 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] Speaking of Perl In-Reply-To: <4C1BCE2F.6020300@cosmicperl.com> References: , <4C1BCE2F.6020300@cosmicperl.com> Message-ID: <3DF93BC1E6EB2E45AD12B4DBF431E372465942B01D@CSUKLEEXMB01.corp.group.local> I work for QA, which is a fairly large training company. We teach Perl to corporates all the time, PHP is less popular with our customers. Python is the one gaining ground. Clive Darke Product Consultant QA Nexus Open Systems, Vale House Pynes Hill Exeter Devon EX2 5AZ Email clive.darke at qa.com Web http://www.qa.com/ ________________________________________ From: devoncornwall-pm-bounces+clive.darke=qa.com at pm.org [devoncornwall-pm-bounces+clive.darke=qa.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Lyle [webmaster at cosmicperl.com] Sent: 18 June 2010 20:51 To: Devon and Cornwall Perl Mongers Subject: Re: [DCPM] Speaking of Perl On 18/06/2010 20:31, Martijn Grooten wrote: > So do people still use Perl professionally? Privately? Are new people > (say at uni) still learning Perl? > I've been pushing Perl and UWE, but there was already a small handful of students that had found it by themselves. Sadly the vast majority go for PHP seemly solely on it's reputation of being easy to learn. I've taught secondard school students Perl is a course I ran for free. I'm hoping to run some more this year, and that others might take up the challenge. 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If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. QA Ltd. Rath House, 55-65 Uxbridge Road, Slough, Berkshire,SL1 1SG. QA Ltd. is a company registered in England with company registration number:2413137 Scanned by ICRITICAL From aaron.trevena at gmail.com Sat Jun 19 07:16:11 2010 From: aaron.trevena at gmail.com (Aaron Trevena) Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 15:16:11 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] Speaking of Perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 18 June 2010 20:31, Martijn Grooten wrote: > How widely is it used these days? Very widely - in terms of job ads in the uk, it has more than ruby, python and php combined. As a dynamic language it tends to dominate in a few areas, often used together with C/C++ or Java depending on the industry : * bio-informatics * banking and finance * e-commerce * large organisations with a heavy web presence, i.e. bbc, etc * email and web hosting providers * online classifieds (curiously enough the biggest ones, such as gumtree, craigslist and slando are all perl) It also does well in, but no longer dominates, areas like render farms, science, SAAS providers and startups > However, when I talk to people who know a a bit about programming and > stuff and tell them I mostly use Perl, they stare at me as if I just > told them I browse the web using Quarterdeck Mosaic. That's more a case of a wider group of people knowing a little about programming and a wider selection of programming languages and tools - in Perl's "cgi-script and mod_perl" boom ~2000 python was a tiny niche, php was very very basic and rough around the edges and ruby didn't exist.. since then the Ruby bubble inflated and has been deflating for a couple of years (ruby jobs market share has been static for nearly 3 years), python has been widely hyped because of google and the reddit/digg/slasdot echo chamber but stopped eating at perls slice of the market/hype last year - now dropping in tiobe and other use/hype metrics instead of rising. See Tim Bunce's excellent and well-researched talk at http://blip.tv/file/3303623 > So do people still use Perl professionally? Privately? Are new people > (say at uni) still learning Perl? Yup - use it professionally fulltime, and doing pretty well thanks :) In the last 3 years I've used it for new projects in non-perl shops, rewriting legacy aviation stuff done in php and perl, and a whole lot of ecommerce varying from small to sites advertising on tv and even localised to 20 countries in 12 languages (including greece and russia). ..and thats being picky and only taking contracts or jobs that allow me to work from home full time, and flexible hours and pay enough to have a decent house, a couple of cars and 2 kids. Yeah people are learning perl - I'm training 2 juniors at my team in halifax, and we're recruiting another who were prepared to cross train to perl from php or whatever. When I graduated from uni in 2000 pretty much at the height of perl use for web development, only a handful in my course (computer systems and networks) had heard of it, and only a couple of us learnt it - other less eclectic courses in the computing school had even less use/interest, from what I've heard those levels are roughly the same - more people are learning php or python where it's taught as part of the course, but few of those will use it after uni, as the jobs stll asren't really there unless you're really involved in the language or framework communities and know the right people - most will instead learn java, C++ or c# when they start a job, a small no will learn perl, but about the same as, say late 90s or 2004 or later. Cheers, A -- Aaron J Trevena, BSc Hons http://www.aarontrevena.co.uk LAMP System Integration, Development and Consulting From sweetwatergeek at gmail.com Tue Jun 22 05:00:53 2010 From: sweetwatergeek at gmail.com (Martijn Grooten) Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:00:53 +0100 Subject: [DCPM] [LUG] Speaking of Perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Aaron Trevena wrote: > Very widely - in terms of job ads in the uk, it has more than ruby, > python and php combined. Is that so? CWJobs.co.uk lists 274 Perl jobs and 417 PHP jobs. (69 Ruby, 169 Python.) But then, I am happily surprised by the amount of Perl jobs, I really expected it to be 1/10th of the number of PHP jobs or less. I suppose I just talk to the wrong people. :-) Martijn.