From todd.chapman at eprize.com Wed Nov 4 08:09:37 2009 From: todd.chapman at eprize.com (Todd-Chapman) Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:09:37 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Detroit Perl Mongers: Call for presenters Message-ID: Detroit PMs, Our monthly meeting is scheduled for November 17 however we have no presenter scheduled yet. Please consider volunteering. You don?t have to be an ace programmer to present. You just need something you would like to share. Being a presenter is as much about learning as it is about teaching. Who?s ready to share? -Todd Chapman -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From todd.chapman at eprize.com Tue Nov 10 10:50:51 2009 From: todd.chapman at eprize.com (Todd-Chapman) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 13:50:51 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Next Detroit Perl Mongers / Dynamic Languages meeting Tuesday, November 17 2009, 7pm Message-ID: The next meeting of the Detroit Perl Mongers will be Tuesday, November 17 2009 at 7pm. We have two presentations this month: Ken Fox will be presenting on the NYTProf code profiling tool. http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf-2.10/lib/Devel/NYTProf.pm Bill Hess will be presenting on his experiences with SOAP::Lite and integration with Microsoft Sharepoint. The meeting location is One ePrize Drive, Pleasant Ridge, MI 48069. Food will be provided by ePrize at 6:30 with the meeting starting at 7. Please RSVP to todd.chapman at eprize.com so we can be sure to order enough food for everyone. Todd Chapman todd.chapman at eprize.com 248-506-7156 Software Engineer ePrize -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jam at McQuil.com Thu Nov 12 07:34:35 2009 From: jam at McQuil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:34:35 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl Message-ID: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> Hey guys, I'm having an issue with doing simple arithmetic in perl. I suspect it's a floating-point issue. here's the code: ================================================== #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my $new_bal = 123.00 - 69.63 - 53.37; print("new_bal: $new_bal\n"); ================================================== The result I get is: new_bal: 7.105427357601e-15 That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl to be useful for calculating account balances. Any ideas? Thanks, Jim McQuillan jam at Avairis.com From sfergus1 at gmail.com Thu Nov 12 07:41:55 2009 From: sfergus1 at gmail.com (Steve Ferguson) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:41:55 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <4AFC2CC3.2020609@gmail.com> If you know you'll always be dealing in pennies (and no fractions thereof), I'd suggest you treat that as your unit (e.g. multiply the dollar amounts by 100) and stick to integer math. Alternately you could round all of your calculations, but that may or may not suit your need for accuracy. Steve Jim McQuillan wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having an issue with doing simple arithmetic in perl. > > I suspect it's a floating-point issue. > > here's the code: > > ================================================== > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > use strict; > > my $new_bal = 123.00 > - 69.63 > - 53.37; > > print("new_bal: $new_bal\n"); > > ================================================== > > The result I get is: > > new_bal: 7.105427357601e-15 > > That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl to > be useful for calculating account balances. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Avairis.com > _______________________________________________ > Detroit-pm mailing list > Detroit-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/detroit-pm -- Steve Ferguson The effort of using machines to mimic the human mind has always struck me as rather silly: I'd rather use them to mimic something better. -- E. W. Dijkstra From sean at bruenor.org Thu Nov 12 07:41:56 2009 From: sean at bruenor.org (Sean Millichamp) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:41:56 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <1258040516.23430.3.camel@localhost> I found that the best and safest way to handle money-related math is to convert and store everything as cents, then you are doing integer math which will be right every time. I know that doesn't directly answer your question, but I did some coding a while back in Perl that manipulated and tracked money amounts and I never found a perfect and predictable solution with floating point numbers. Hope that helps. Sean On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:34 -0500, Jim McQuillan wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having an issue with doing simple arithmetic in perl. > > I suspect it's a floating-point issue. > > here's the code: > > ================================================== > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > use strict; > > my $new_bal = 123.00 > - 69.63 > - 53.37; > > print("new_bal: $new_bal\n"); > > ================================================== > > The result I get is: > > new_bal: 7.105427357601e-15 > > That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl to > be useful for calculating account balances. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Avairis.com > _______________________________________________ > Detroit-pm mailing list > Detroit-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/detroit-pm > From landman at scalableinformatics.com Thu Nov 12 07:43:41 2009 From: landman at scalableinformatics.com (Joe Landman) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:43:41 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <4AFC2D2D.2060203@scalableinformatics.com> Jim McQuillan wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having an issue with doing simple arithmetic in perl. > > I suspect it's a floating-point issue. > > here's the code: [...] > The result I get is: > > new_bal: 7.105427357601e-15 > > That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl to > be useful for calculating account balances. Remember that Perl uses FP representations of your numbers, and while 123.0 may have an exact FP representation in the limited number of mantissa bits (52 for double precision), 69.63 amd 53.37 may not be "accurately" represented, to infinite precision, within these 52 bits. So you are seeing an example of finite precision of the FP representation reflected in your example. What you likely need is to either truncate numbers below $0.01, or round them. Lots of wall street types used fixed precision rather than FP just for this reason. To get to your problem, I'd suggest doing something like my $tmp = $ans*100.0; my $tmp2= int(0.5+$tmp); $ans = $tmp2/100.0; to lop off the digits below 1 cent in a "meaningful" manner. This implements a rounding operation via INT, but you could do other things as well. Joe -- Joseph Landman, Ph.D Founder and CEO Scalable Informatics Inc. email: landman at scalableinformatics.com web : http://scalableinformatics.com http://scalableinformatics.com/jackrabbit phone: +1 734 786 8423 x121 fax : +1 866 888 3112 cell : +1 734 612 4615 From fred at teamforrest.com Thu Nov 12 07:46:34 2009 From: fred at teamforrest.com (Fred Posner) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:46:34 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC2D2D.2060203@scalableinformatics.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> <4AFC2D2D.2060203@scalableinformatics.com> Message-ID: <94DE9A54-D792-4725-84CA-C98F436E2D8C@teamforrest.com> What about with sprintf? #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my $new_bal = (123.00-69.63-53.37); $new_bal = sprintf("%.2f", $new_bal); print("new_bal: $new_bal\n"); ---fred http://qxork.com On Nov 12, 2009, at 10:43 AM, Joe Landman wrote: > Jim McQuillan wrote: >> Hey guys, >> I'm having an issue with doing simple arithmetic in perl. >> I suspect it's a floating-point issue. >> here's the code: > > [...] > >> The result I get is: >> new_bal: 7.105427357601e-15 >> That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl to be useful for calculating account balances. > > Remember that Perl uses FP representations of your numbers, and while 123.0 may have an exact FP representation in the limited number of mantissa bits (52 for double precision), 69.63 amd 53.37 may not be "accurately" represented, to infinite precision, within these 52 bits. > > So you are seeing an example of finite precision of the FP representation reflected in your example. What you likely need is to either truncate numbers below $0.01, or round them. > > Lots of wall street types used fixed precision rather than FP just for this reason. > > To get to your problem, I'd suggest doing something like > > my $tmp = $ans*100.0; > my $tmp2= int(0.5+$tmp); > $ans = $tmp2/100.0; > > to lop off the digits below 1 cent in a "meaningful" manner. This implements a rounding operation via INT, but you could do other things as well. > > Joe > > > -- > Joseph Landman, Ph.D > Founder and CEO > Scalable Informatics Inc. > email: landman at scalableinformatics.com > web : http://scalableinformatics.com > http://scalableinformatics.com/jackrabbit > phone: +1 734 786 8423 x121 > fax : +1 866 888 3112 > cell : +1 734 612 4615 > _______________________________________________ > Detroit-pm mailing list > Detroit-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/detroit-pm From craig at decafbad.net Thu Nov 12 07:50:32 2009 From: craig at decafbad.net (Craig Maloney) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:50:32 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <1258041032.24418.2.camel@lister> On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 10:34 -0500, Jim McQuillan wrote: > That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl to > be useful for calculating account balances. > You might want to use integer math for this instead ( multiply by 100, then do the subtraction). That'll guarantee you won't get bit by some float anomaly. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (craig at decafbad.net) http://decafbad.net "Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big, wear glasses if you need 'em." -- The Webb Wilder Credo From billings at negate.org Thu Nov 12 09:33:10 2009 From: billings at negate.org (Jonathan Billings) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 12:33:10 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <20091112173309.GA6815@caen-gx755.engin.umich.edu> On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:34:35AM -0500, Jim McQuillan wrote: > The result I get is: > > new_bal: 7.105427357601e-15 > > That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl > to be useful for calculating account balances. A couple people suggested using printf() or sprintf(), however perlfaq4 says: Rounding in financial applications can have serious implications, and the rounding method used should be specified precisely. In these cases, it probably pays not to trust whichever system rounding is being used by Perl, but to instead implement the rounding function you need yourself. To see why, notice how you'll still have an issue on half-way-point alternation: for ($i = 0; $i < 1.01; $i += 0.05) { printf "%.1f ",$i} 0.0 0.1 0.1 0.2 0.2 0.2 0.3 0.3 0.4 0.4 0.5 0.5 0.6 0.7 0.7 0.8 0.8 0.9 0.9 1.0 1.0 Don't blame Perl. It's the same as in C. IEEE says we have to do this. Perl numbers whose absolute values are integers under 2**31 (on 32 bit machines) will work pretty much like mathematical integers. Other numbers are not guaranteed. -- Jonathan Billings From jam at McQuil.com Thu Nov 12 14:18:01 2009 From: jam at McQuil.com (Jim McQuillan) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 17:18:01 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <4AFC8999.9030204@McQuil.com> Thanks to everyone that replied about the issues with floating point arithmetic. I pretty much figured that's where the problem was, and I know I can play games with "%.2f" to get the number of digits after the decimal point the way I want it. If all i was doing was outputting the result, that'd be fine. But, I also need to do things like test the balance for zero: if( $new_bal == 0 ){ ... } of course, that falls apart when the number is 0.0000000000000710542... cuz that's NOT zero. I know it's not perl's fault. In fact, I tried the same thing in python: #!/usr/bin/python new_bal = 123.00 - 69.63 - 53.37; print new_bal; Not surprisingly, I get the same result as the perl example I showed earlier. I used to do alot of C programming and back then, we all just knew about the issues with floating point and avoided it for business applications. I just assumed that the world of programming languages had grown past that by now. I've been doing perl programming for many years and not been bitten (at least not that I knew of) until today. What's really funny, is Duane (Also works here at Avairis) had a very similar problem. He did a select on a database table that resulted in a value of 33.05. he tried to convert that to pennies and got 3304. when we displayed the original number as floating point, with '%.15f', it came out '33.049999999997'. Multiply that by 100 and turn it into an integer, and you get 3304. I'm thinking of having the database do the conversion to pennies by doing something like this: SELECT (bal * 100)::int AS chg_bal_cents FROM chg It's a postgresql database and the 'bal' column is defined as 'numeric(10,2)' This way, my perl code only ever has to deal with integers. In the one case where I tried it today, it gave the results I needed, but I'm not ready to just jump into that for everything yet. I figured I'd throw that idea out to you guys for feedback. Thanks again for the awesome quick responses. Jim McQuillan jam at Avairis.com Jim McQuillan wrote: > Hey guys, > > I'm having an issue with doing simple arithmetic in perl. > > I suspect it's a floating-point issue. > > here's the code: > > ================================================== > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > > use strict; > > my $new_bal = 123.00 > - 69.63 > - 53.37; > > print("new_bal: $new_bal\n"); > > ================================================== > > The result I get is: > > new_bal: 7.105427357601e-15 > > That's awfully close to the right answer, but I'm depending on perl to > be useful for calculating account balances. > > Any ideas? > > Thanks, > Jim McQuillan > jam at Avairis.com > _______________________________________________ > Detroit-pm mailing list > Detroit-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/detroit-pm From craig at decafbad.net Thu Nov 12 17:59:02 2009 From: craig at decafbad.net (Craig Maloney) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 20:59:02 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] Strange problem with simple math in perl In-Reply-To: <4AFC8999.9030204@McQuil.com> References: <4AFC2B0B.3070706@McQuil.com> <4AFC8999.9030204@McQuil.com> Message-ID: <1258077542.19121.2.camel@lister> On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 17:18 -0500, Jim McQuillan wrote: > I know it's not perl's fault. In fact, I tried the same thing in python: > > #!/usr/bin/python > > new_bal = 123.00 - 69.63 - 53.37; > > print new_bal; > > Not surprisingly, I get the same result as the perl example I showed > earlier. Actually, Python has a datatype specifically for this sort of work-around: >>> from decimal import * >>> Decimal('.01') + Decimal('.01') + Decimal('.02') Decimal('0.04') -- -------------------------------------------------------------------- Craig Maloney (craig at decafbad.net) http://decafbad.net "Work hard, rock hard, eat hard, sleep hard, grow big, wear glasses if you need 'em." -- The Webb Wilder Credo From bhess at techrg.com Fri Nov 13 09:26:32 2009 From: bhess at techrg.com (Bill Hess) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 12:26:32 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Oasis 2010 - Call for Speakers] Message-ID: <4AFD96C8.5070800@techrg.com> The Frozen Perl announcement reminded me I should announce further the Perl Oasis Call for Speakers. I'm not sure how many people follow Twitter, but those who do may have seen that we already have a nice selection of talks forming from people such as Matt Trout, Nicholas Perez, Shawn Moore, and a keynote by the Enlightened Perl Organisation's Mark Keating. The early bird price for the conference is $20, which will double after the first of the year, but speakers get to attend for Free! So if you'd like to participate in this Modern Perl fest, as well as the Go-carts and possible Frothy Beverages, please register as soon as possible! Call For Speakers Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010/call_for_speakers.html Talk Registration Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010/newtalk Conference Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010 I look forward to seeing you in January! -Chris -- Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org pm_groups mailing list pm_groups at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups From fred at teamforrest.com Fri Nov 13 16:25:28 2009 From: fred at teamforrest.com (Fred Posner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 19:25:28 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Oasis 2010 - Call for Speakers] In-Reply-To: <4AFD96C8.5070800@techrg.com> References: <4AFD96C8.5070800@techrg.com> Message-ID: <711869E7-5237-4E7C-8BE4-591D924B9621@teamforrest.com> Where is this on Twitter? ---fred http://qxork.com On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Bill Hess wrote: > > > The Frozen Perl announcement reminded me I should announce further the > Perl Oasis Call for Speakers. I'm not sure how many people follow > Twitter, but those who do may have seen that we already have a nice > selection of talks forming from people such as Matt Trout, Nicholas > Perez, Shawn Moore, and a keynote by the Enlightened Perl > Organisation's Mark Keating. The early bird price for the conference > is $20, which will double after the first of the year, but speakers > get to attend for Free! So if you'd like to participate in this Modern > Perl fest, as well as the Go-carts and possible Frothy Beverages, > please register as soon as possible! > > Call For Speakers Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010/call_for_speakers.html > Talk Registration Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010/newtalk > Conference Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010 > > I look forward to seeing you in January! > > -Chris > -- > Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org > > pm_groups mailing list > pm_groups at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups > > > _______________________________________________ > Detroit-pm mailing list > Detroit-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/detroit-pm From bhess at techrg.com Fri Nov 13 17:24:12 2009 From: bhess at techrg.com (Bill Hess) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:24:12 -0500 Subject: [Detroit-pm] [Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl Oasis 2010 - Call for Speakers] In-Reply-To: <711869E7-5237-4E7C-8BE4-591D924B9621@teamforrest.com> References: <4AFD96C8.5070800@techrg.com> <711869E7-5237-4E7C-8BE4-591D924B9621@teamforrest.com> Message-ID: <4AFE06BC.6020001@techrg.com> Not sure - I received this from the main pm.org email list - since my name is the admin contact for detroit.pm.org... Fred Posner wrote: > Where is this on Twitter? > > ---fred > http://qxork.com > > > On Nov 13, 2009, at 12:26 PM, Bill Hess wrote: > > >> The Frozen Perl announcement reminded me I should announce further the >> Perl Oasis Call for Speakers. I'm not sure how many people follow >> Twitter, but those who do may have seen that we already have a nice >> selection of talks forming from people such as Matt Trout, Nicholas >> Perez, Shawn Moore, and a keynote by the Enlightened Perl >> Organisation's Mark Keating. The early bird price for the conference >> is $20, which will double after the first of the year, but speakers >> get to attend for Free! So if you'd like to participate in this Modern >> Perl fest, as well as the Go-carts and possible Frothy Beverages, >> please register as soon as possible! >> >> Call For Speakers Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010/call_for_speakers.html >> Talk Registration Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010/newtalk >> Conference Page: http://perloasis.org/opw2010 >> >> I look forward to seeing you in January! >> >> -Chris >> -- >> Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org >> >> pm_groups mailing list >> pm_groups at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Detroit-pm mailing list >> Detroit-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/detroit-pm >> > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We have two presentations this month: Ken Fox will be presenting on the NYTProf code profiling tool. http://search.cpan.org/~timb/Devel-NYTProf-2.10/lib/Devel/NYTProf.pm Bill Hess will be presenting on his experiences with SOAP::Lite and integration with Microsoft Sharepoint. The meeting location is One ePrize Drive, Pleasant Ridge, MI 48069. Food will be provided by ePrize at 6:30 with the meeting starting at 7. Please RSVP to todd.chapman at eprize.com so we can be sure to order enough food for everyone. Todd Chapman todd.chapman at eprize.com 248-506-7156 Software Engineer ePrize ------ End of Forwarded Message -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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