From jalex at pobox.com Sun Jul 15 20:47:32 2007 From: jalex at pobox.com (Jason) Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 23:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Newer posts on website Message-ID: <8d5e76f20707152047g1e2af498y53a4aef37dbb6bc1@mail.gmail.com> There are a couple of new entries on http://www.columbus.org/ Add the RSS feed to your reader : http://columbus.pm.org/node/feed I may install an optional, user-configurable mail notification where any users, (of the website), could receive periodic updates on new content. Does anyone have any suggestions or ideas about beneficial ways to link the website and the mailing list with minimal email/website spam? -- The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. - George F. Will -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070715/a1b92ef4/attachment.html From sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com Wed Jul 18 11:06:11 2007 From: sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com (Scott Blickhan) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:06:11 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer Message-ID: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F6E@svr-exch1.dawson.local> I have been scouring the earth to find a Lead Perl developer for one of my clients here in Columbus, Ohio. My firm has been hired by a local corporation to find a Perl guru that can lead a team of other developers as well as code like the best of them. I am looking for someone that can set timelines and work up project plans for him/herself and the other developers beneath them to follow. The client continually has to develop new batch processing applications and such as they add new clients and make adjustments for current clients. This is a permanent position and the company has fantastic benefits. For further details please contact Scott Blickhan at 614.255.1340 and/or send a copy of your resume along to sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scottblickhan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/37ffac16/attachment.html From rwilcox at kforce.com Wed Jul 18 11:33:57 2007 From: rwilcox at kforce.com (Wilcox, Randy L.) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:33:57 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F6E@svr-exch1.dawson.local> References: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F6E@svr-exch1.dawson.local> Message-ID: <8307023EF3D99F4F9F2E24A4D1A3873C04494553@sta0ex09.kforce.com> It seems that this person may have used my Linkedin info to forward this message to the group? I would like to let the Perl User Group know that I did not promote or approve this message. I understand that you do not appreciate recruiters arbitrarily sending out job orders to the group. That is why I only do it through the sponsorship of a member. Please accept my apologies for the intrusion. Mr. Blickhan, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from sending any further messages without my prior knowledge or consent. Thank you. Randy Wilcox Market Director Kforce Inc. 614.776.3203 (direct) 614.893.2000 (cell) rwilcox at kforce.com 3 Crosswoods 200 Campus View Blvd Suite 225 Columbus, OH 43235 888.814.4343 x3203 (toll free) 614.899.0504 (fax) ________________________________ From: columbus-pm-bounces+rwilcox=kforce.com at pm.org [mailto:columbus-pm-bounces+rwilcox=kforce.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Scott Blickhan Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:06 PM To: columbus-pm at pm.org Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer I have been scouring the earth to find a Lead Perl developer for one of my clients here in Columbus, Ohio. My firm has been hired by a local corporation to find a Perl guru that can lead a team of other developers as well as code like the best of them. I am looking for someone that can set timelines and work up project plans for him/herself and the other developers beneath them to follow. The client continually has to develop new batch processing applications and such as they add new clients and make adjustments for current clients. This is a permanent position and the company has fantastic benefits. For further details please contact Scott Blickhan at 614.255.1340 and/or send a copy of your resume along to sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scottblickhan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/bffc79af/attachment.html From sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com Wed Jul 18 11:46:32 2007 From: sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com (Scott Blickhan) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:46:32 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <8307023EF3D99F4F9F2E24A4D1A3873C04494553@sta0ex09.kforce.com> Message-ID: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F72@svr-exch1.dawson.local> Randy/PM Group, I apologize for any intrusion - I however did not know that I was doing anything inappropriate. I absolutely did not use anyone's LinkedIn information to send this out. I am a member of Columbus PM Group and simply sent the email out to Columbus-pm at pm.org (as you can see by the attachment), I am not sure why/how or even if it was associated with Mr. Wilcox. I am both a developer and a staffing professional so my use of the site is two fold and in no way did I intend to misrepresent myself. Thank you, Scott Blickhan ________________________________ From: Wilcox, Randy L. [mailto:rwilcox at kforce.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:34 PM To: Scott Blickhan; columbus-pm at pm.org Subject: RE: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer It seems that this person may have used my Linkedin info to forward this message to the group? I would like to let the Perl User Group know that I did not promote or approve this message. I understand that you do not appreciate recruiters arbitrarily sending out job orders to the group. That is why I only do it through the sponsorship of a member. Please accept my apologies for the intrusion. Mr. Blickhan, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from sending any further messages without my prior knowledge or consent. Thank you. Randy Wilcox Market Director Kforce Inc. 614.776.3203 (direct) 614.893.2000 (cell) rwilcox at kforce.com 3 Crosswoods 200 Campus View Blvd Suite 225 Columbus, OH 43235 888.814.4343 x3203 (toll free) 614.899.0504 (fax) ________________________________ From: columbus-pm-bounces+rwilcox=kforce.com at pm.org [mailto:columbus-pm-bounces+rwilcox=kforce.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Scott Blickhan Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:06 PM To: columbus-pm at pm.org Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer I have been scouring the earth to find a Lead Perl developer for one of my clients here in Columbus, Ohio. My firm has been hired by a local corporation to find a Perl guru that can lead a team of other developers as well as code like the best of them. I am looking for someone that can set timelines and work up project plans for him/herself and the other developers beneath them to follow. The client continually has to develop new batch processing applications and such as they add new clients and make adjustments for current clients. This is a permanent position and the company has fantastic benefits. For further details please contact Scott Blickhan at 614.255.1340 and/or send a copy of your resume along to sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scottblickhan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/bc03829c/attachment-0001.html -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: "Scott Blickhan" Subject: Lead Perl Developer Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:06:11 -0400 Size: 5268 Url: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/bc03829c/attachment-0001.mht From HOGUEJ at nationwide.com Wed Jul 18 12:39:30 2007 From: HOGUEJ at nationwide.com (HOGUEJ at nationwide.com) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 15:39:30 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F72@svr-exch1.dawson.local> Message-ID: I've never heard of any objection to sending job solicitations to the Columbus PM group. In my opinion, it's a good thing. (I understand your objection was more to a perceived implied relationship.) "Scott Blickhan" Sent by: columbus-pm-bounces+hoguej=nationwide.com at pm.org 07/18/2007 02:46 PM From "Scott Blickhan" To "Wilcox, Randy L." , cc Subject Re: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer Randy/PM Group, I apologize for any intrusion ? I however did not know that I was doing anything inappropriate. I absolutely did not use anyone?s LinkedIn information to send this out. I am a member of Columbus PM Group and simply sent the email out to Columbus-pm at pm.org (as you can see by the attachment), I am not sure why/how or even if it was associated with Mr. Wilcox. I am both a developer and a staffing professional so my use of the site is two fold and in no way did I intend to misrepresent myself. Thank you, Scott Blickhan From: Wilcox, Randy L. [mailto:rwilcox at kforce.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:34 PM To: Scott Blickhan; columbus-pm at pm.org Subject: RE: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer It seems that this person may have used my Linkedin info to forward this message to the group? I would like to let the Perl User Group know that I did not promote or approve this message. I understand that you do not appreciate recruiters arbitrarily sending out job orders to the group. That is why I only do it through the sponsorship of a member. Please accept my apologies for the intrusion. Mr. Blickhan, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from sending any further messages without my prior knowledge or consent. Thank you. Randy Wilcox Market Director Kforce Inc. 614.776.3203 (direct) 614.893.2000 (cell) rwilcox at kforce.com 3 Crosswoods 200 Campus View Blvd Suite 225 Columbus, OH 43235 888.814.4343 x3203 (toll free) 614.899.0504 (fax) From: columbus-pm-bounces+rwilcox=kforce.com at pm.org [mailto:columbus-pm-bounces+rwilcox=kforce.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Scott Blickhan Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 2:06 PM To: columbus-pm at pm.org Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer I have been scouring the earth to find a Lead Perl developer for one of my clients here in Columbus, Ohio. My firm has been hired by a local corporation to find a Perl guru that can lead a team of other developers as well as code like the best of them. I am looking for someone that can set timelines and work up project plans for him/herself and the other developers beneath them to follow. The client continually has to develop new batch processing applications and such as they add new clients and make adjustments for current clients. This is a permanent position and the company has fantastic benefits. For further details please contact Scott Blickhan at 614.255.1340 and/or send a copy of your resume along to sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scottblickhan ----- Message from "Scott Blickhan" on Wed, 18 Jul 2007 14:06:11 -0400 ----- To: Subject: Lead Perl Developer I have been scouring the earth to find a Lead Perl developer for one of my clients here in Columbus, Ohio. My firm has been hired by a local corporation to find a Perl guru that can lead a team of other developers as well as code like the best of them. I am looking for someone that can set timelines and work up project plans for him/herself and the other developers beneath them to follow. The client continually has to develop new batch processing applications and such as they add new clients and make adjustments for current clients. This is a permanent position and the company has fantastic benefits. For further details please contact Scott Blickhan at 614.255.1340 and/or send a copy of your resume along to sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scottblickhan _______________________________________________ Columbus-pm mailing list http://columbus.pm.org/ Columbus-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm From shane at lottadot.com Wed Jul 18 13:19:57 2007 From: shane at lottadot.com (shane) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:19:57 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F6E@svr-exch1.dawson.local> References: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F6E@svr-exch1.dawson.local> Message-ID: <410AFCAE-BED2-4F79-A9A5-EF2C9FFE2A3D@lottadot.com> On Jul 18, 2007, at 2:06 PM, Scott Blickhan wrote: > I have been scouring the earth to find a Lead Perl developer for > one of my clients here in Columbus, Ohio. My firm has been hired > by a local corporation to find a Perl guru that can lead a team of > other developers as well as code like the best of them. I am > looking for someone that can set timelines and work up project > plans for him/herself and the other developers beneath them to > follow. The client continually has to develop new batch processing > applications and such as they add new clients and make adjustments > for current clients. This is a permanent position and the company > has fantastic benefits. > > > > For further details please contact Scott Blickhan at 614.255.1340 > and/or send a copy of your resume along to sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com > > > > LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/scottblickhan Salary range they are offering would be most helpful here. It'd show what level of "Lead Perl Developer" they're really wanting vs willing to pay for. Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/2eda487c/attachment.html From shane at lottadot.com Wed Jul 18 13:53:37 2007 From: shane at lottadot.com (shane) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:53:37 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F78@svr-exch1.dawson.local> References: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F78@svr-exch1.dawson.local> Message-ID: <6421AB59-A77E-4AE8-A4ED-733179438ADA@lottadot.com> Ok, thanks. Well, I guess I'll just speak up. My reason for asking about the salary was slightly two-fold. I've heard of two people who "know their stuff" in Columbus being hired, starting in the 90's, this past month, for Perl programming. Yours is the second job posting in a week that I've been emailed about that wants someone who knows their stuff, would only do Perl, is advertising in the 80's and is having problems finding someone. These were guys who had a few years experience, not 7,10 or 15 like some of may around here. But they are good. I'm not trying to diss on your parade by mentioning the above, nor start a salary-flame-war (is there such a thing? probably if I google it) but rather (bluntly) point out your range may be too low. And like HOGUEJ, I would rather see people sending job postings to the Columbus-pm when they're local here (rather than make you wade through the perljobs listserv which seems to rarely have Ohio jobs in it). Good luck, Shane On Jul 18, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Scott Blickhan wrote: > Thanks Shane ? > > The salary range would be in the mid to upper 80?s total > compensation for a strong candidate. > > Scott > > > > Salary range they are offering would be most helpful here. It'd > show what level of "Lead Perl Developer" they're really wanting vs > willing to pay for. > > > > Shane > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/585aa201/attachment.html From sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com Wed Jul 18 13:59:07 2007 From: sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com (Scott Blickhan) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 16:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <6421AB59-A77E-4AE8-A4ED-733179438ADA@lottadot.com> Message-ID: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F7E@svr-exch1.dawson.local> Thanks Shane - Point taken, I have received other such responses today that were not sent to the group stating the same thing. I would say this though - if someone is interested in looking at an opportunity then give me a chance to speak with you and I can then approach the hiring manager about the salary and let him know what you are looking for to make a move. I know them pretty well and they are not the type to let salary deny them the resource they are looking for. Scott ________________________________ From: Shane Zatezalo [mailto:lottadot at gmail.com] On Behalf Of shane Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 4:54 PM To: Scott Blickhan Cc: columbus-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer Ok, thanks. Well, I guess I'll just speak up. My reason for asking about the salary was slightly two-fold. I've heard of two people who "know their stuff" in Columbus being hired, starting in the 90's, this past month, for Perl programming. Yours is the second job posting in a week that I've been emailed about that wants someone who knows their stuff, would only do Perl, is advertising in the 80's and is having problems finding someone. These were guys who had a few years experience, not 7,10 or 15 like some of may around here. But they are good. I'm not trying to diss on your parade by mentioning the above, nor start a salary-flame-war (is there such a thing? probably if I google it) but rather (bluntly) point out your range may be too low. And like HOGUEJ, I would rather see people sending job postings to the Columbus-pm when they're local here (rather than make you wade through the perljobs listserv which seems to rarely have Ohio jobs in it). Good luck, Shane On Jul 18, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Scott Blickhan wrote: Thanks Shane - The salary range would be in the mid to upper 80's total compensation for a strong candidate. Scott Salary range they are offering would be most helpful here. It'd show what level of "Lead Perl Developer" they're really wanting vs willing to pay for. Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/ff0a98d8/attachment-0001.html From jon at hogue.org Wed Jul 18 14:10:27 2007 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 17:10:27 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <6421AB59-A77E-4AE8-A4ED-733179438ADA@lottadot.com> References: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F78@svr-exch1.dawson.local> <6421AB59-A77E-4AE8-A4ED-733179438ADA@lottadot.com> Message-ID: good discussion. I was having this same conversationon the side. To me, there's two points. perl's bit of a dieing language. ie, most new projects are in Java, .net or maybe Ruby. Most companies that do perl are in a containment mode or are in the process of converting to some other technology. And a lot of the talent that used to do Perl are now doing other things (java, .net, Ruby or something completely different). I haven't worked in Perl in over 2 years. My experience is out dated. So most perl interviews are a waste of time because they end up being dead ends. Also, because Perl is being used less and less in application development projects, and by doing Perl development I'm missing opportunities to learn more marketable technologies, it's a bit of a dead end career move to. That doesn't mean that I won't take Perl positions, but I look to be paid a premium ($150-300 an hour) to even consider going through the interview process and jumping into a position whose main benefit is the pay. On 7/18/07, shane wrote: > > Ok, thanks. > > Well, I guess I'll just speak up. My reason for asking about the salary > was slightly two-fold. I've heard of two people who "know their stuff" in > Columbus being hired, starting in the 90's, this past month, for Perl > programming. Yours is the second job posting in a week that I've been > emailed about that wants someone who knows their stuff, would only do Perl, > is advertising in the 80's and is having problems finding someone. These > were guys who had a few years experience, not 7,10 or 15 like some of may > around here. But they are good. > > > I'm not trying to diss on your parade by mentioning the above, nor start a > salary-flame-war (is there such a thing? probably if I google it) but rather > (bluntly) point out your range may be too low. And like HOGUEJ, I would > rather see people sending job postings to the Columbus-pm when they're local > here (rather than make you wade through the perljobs listserv which seems to > rarely have Ohio jobs in it). > > > Good luck, > Shane > > > > > On Jul 18, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Scott Blickhan wrote: > > Thanks Shane ? > > The salary range would be in the mid to upper 80's total compensation for > a strong candidate. > > Scott > > > > Salary range they are offering would be most helpful here. It'd show what > level of "Lead Perl Developer" they're really wanting vs willing to pay for. > > > > Shane > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbus-pm mailing list > http://columbus.pm.org/ > Columbus-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm > -- Jonathan Hogue jon at hogue.org 740-474-9170 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/97618e1c/attachment.html From shane at lottadot.com Wed Jul 18 15:21:38 2007 From: shane at lottadot.com (shane) Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2007 18:21:38 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: References: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F78@svr-exch1.dawson.local> <6421AB59-A77E-4AE8-A4ED-733179438ADA@lottadot.com> Message-ID: <050997F3-EF9E-4780-AC08-8B51A2A9D1F2@lottadot.com> On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > good discussion. I was having this same conversationon the side. > > To me, there's two points. perl's bit of a dieing language. ie, > most new projects are in Java, .net or maybe Ruby. Most companies > that do perl are in a containment mode or are in the process of > converting to some other technology. And a lot of the talent that > used to do Perl are now doing other things (java, .net, Ruby or > something completely different). Sometimes I ponder on that "dieing" thing. One doesn't see too many perl articles on dzone, digg, etc. But is that because the other languages don't have things like local perl monger's groups (I know CMH has a Ruby group now), perl Monks, use.perl and the best tool of all cpan? How many of those other languages that are always being blogged about have the vast resources that cpan gives perl, available to them - now?? Or is it because instead of blogging about 10 different variations of the same simple sets of ruby/php code, people are actually just coding away in Perl instead of blogging about it? I guess it all depends on where you work. Some places are Perl shops. Some vb, .net, rails, java, c, whatever. Each has many frameworks, that different shops choose (or not) to use. > I haven't worked in Perl in over 2 years. My experience is out > dated. So most perl interviews are a waste of time because they end > up being dead ends. But how many years did you spend coding in it? How fast, if you wanted to, do you think you could "pick it up again"? > Also, because Perl is being used less and less in application > development projects, and by doing Perl development I'm missing > opportunities to learn more marketable technologies, it's a bit of > a dead end career move to. I think it depends on where you work. But most places I've worked - learn something new? 'Do it on your own time.' Then they don't understand why you get hired away at a larger salary because you know more and you're more valuable. Hmmm. Seems like a pattern to me, but what do I know? ;) (as I pickup another programming book) > That doesn't mean that I won't take Perl positions, but I look to > be paid a premium ($150-300 an hour) to even consider going through > the interview process and jumping into a position whose main > benefit is the pay. Heh, I've never been paid to consider/go through an interview process. My hats off to ya :) Shane > > > > On 7/18/07, shane wrote: > Ok, thanks. > > > Well, I guess I'll just speak up. My reason for asking about the > salary was slightly two-fold. I've heard of two people who "know > their stuff" in Columbus being hired, starting in the 90's, this > past month, for Perl programming. Yours is the second job posting > in a week that I've been emailed about that wants someone who knows > their stuff, would only do Perl, is advertising in the 80's and is > having problems finding someone. These were guys who had a few > years experience, not 7,10 or 15 like some of may around here. But > they are good. > > > I'm not trying to diss on your parade by mentioning the above, nor > start a salary-flame-war (is there such a thing? probably if I > google it) but rather (bluntly) point out your range may be too > low. And like HOGUEJ, I would rather see people sending job > postings to the Columbus-pm when they're local here (rather than > make you wade through the perljobs listserv which seems to rarely > have Ohio jobs in it). > > > Good luck, > Shane > > > > > On Jul 18, 2007, at 4:28 PM, Scott Blickhan wrote: > >> Thanks Shane ? >> >> The salary range would be in the mid to upper 80's total >> compensation for a strong candidate. >> >> Scott >> >> >> Salary range they are offering would be most helpful here. It'd >> show what level of "Lead Perl Developer" they're really wanting vs >> willing to pay for. >> >> >> Shane >> >> >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbus-pm mailing list > http://columbus.pm.org/ > Columbus-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm > > > > -- > Jonathan Hogue > jon at hogue.org > 740-474-9170 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070718/a425fee9/attachment.html From Chuck.Day at s1te.com Thu Jul 19 06:39:31 2007 From: Chuck.Day at s1te.com (Chuck Day) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 09:39:31 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <050997F3-EF9E-4780-AC08-8B51A2A9D1F2@lottadot.com> References: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F78@svr-exch1.dawson.local> <6421AB59-A77E-4AE8-A4ED-733179438ADA@lottadot.com> <050997F3-EF9E-4780-AC08-8B51A2A9D1F2@lottadot.com> Message-ID: <2542.69.216.17.135.1184852371.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> I've been one of perl guys that are forced to use other crappy tools and languages. However when something needs "done" I can always knock it out in perl before they can have a meeting about what high priced tool to use. Forget about how much time and money we're wasting talking about it. I've even stuped to using a .asp extension for a couple perl apps. Just added this to apache: AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .asp I have absolutely no objection to jobs being posted here. Charles > > On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > >> good discussion. I was having this same conversationon the side. >> >> To me, there's two points. perl's bit of a dieing language. ie, >> most new projects are in Java, .net or maybe Ruby. Most companies >> that do perl are in a containment mode or are in the process of >> converting to some other technology. And a lot of the talent that >> used to do Perl are now doing other things (java, .net, Ruby or >> something completely different). > > Sometimes I ponder on that "dieing" thing. One doesn't see too many > perl articles on dzone, digg, etc. But is that because the other > languages don't have things like local perl monger's groups (I know > CMH has a Ruby group now), perl Monks, use.perl and the best tool of > all cpan? How many of those other languages that are always being > blogged about have the vast resources that cpan gives perl, available > to them - now?? Or is it because instead of blogging about 10 > different variations of the same simple sets of ruby/php code, people > are actually just coding away in Perl instead of blogging about it? > > I guess it all depends on where you work. Some places are Perl shops. > Some vb, .net, rails, java, c, whatever. Each has many frameworks, > that different shops choose (or not) to use. > >> I haven't worked in Perl in over 2 years. My experience is out >> dated. So most perl interviews are a waste of time because they end >> up being dead ends. > > But how many years did you spend coding in it? How fast, if you > wanted to, do you think you could "pick it up again"? > >> Also, because Perl is being used less and less in application >> development projects, and by doing Perl development I'm missing >> opportunities to learn more marketable technologies, it's a bit of >> a dead end career move to. > > I think it depends on where you work. But most places I've worked - > learn something new? 'Do it on your own time.' Then they don't > understand why you get hired away at a larger salary because you know > more and you're more valuable. Hmmm. Seems like a pattern to me, but > what do I know? ;) (as I pickup another programming book) > >> That doesn't mean that I won't take Perl positions, but I look to >> be paid a premium ($150-300 an hour) to even consider going through >> the interview process and jumping into a position whose main >> benefit is the pay. > > Heh, I've never been paid to consider/go through an interview > process. My hats off to ya :) > > Shane > > > >> From sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com Thu Jul 19 07:38:28 2007 From: sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com (Scott Blickhan) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:38:28 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <050997F3-EF9E-4780-AC08-8B51A2A9D1F2@lottadot.com> Message-ID: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F8A@svr-exch1.dawson.local> Great information everyone - thank you for taking the time to respond. Now the question remains - Is there anyone out there that is willing to give me a shot and discuss this position with myself and my client? At the very least you will be taking 30 minutes out of your day to talk about something you are passionate about (Perl). I personally have done some Perl coding as well so I can give you something to laugh about when I tell you how horribly wrong it went. Scott 614.255.1340 sblickhan at dawsoncareers.com ________________________________ From: shane [mailto:shane at lottadot.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 18, 2007 6:22 PM To: Jonathan Hogue Cc: Scott Blickhan; columbus-pm at pm.org Subject: Re: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: good discussion. I was having this same conversationon the side. To me, there's two points. perl's bit of a dieing language. ie, most new projects are in Java, .net or maybe Ruby. Most companies that do perl are in a containment mode or are in the process of converting to some other technology. And a lot of the talent that used to do Perl are now doing other things (java, .net, Ruby or something completely different). Sometimes I ponder on that "dieing" thing. One doesn't see too many perl articles on dzone, digg, etc. But is that because the other languages don't have things like local perl monger's groups (I know CMH has a Ruby group now), perl Monks, use.perl and the best tool of all cpan? How many of those other languages that are always being blogged about have the vast resources that cpan gives perl, available to them - now?? Or is it because instead of blogging about 10 different variations of the same simple sets of ruby/php code, people are actually just coding away in Perl instead of blogging about it? I guess it all depends on where you work. Some places are Perl shops. Some vb, .net, rails, java, c, whatever. Each has many frameworks, that different shops choose (or not) to use. I haven't worked in Perl in over 2 years. My experience is out dated. So most perl interviews are a waste of time because they end up being dead ends. But how many years did you spend coding in it? How fast, if you wanted to, do you think you could "pick it up again"? Also, because Perl is being used less and less in application development projects, and by doing Perl development I'm missing opportunities to learn more marketable technologies, it's a bit of a dead end career move to. I think it depends on where you work. But most places I've worked - learn something new? 'Do it on your own time.' Then they don't understand why you get hired away at a larger salary because you know more and you're more valuable. Hmmm. Seems like a pattern to me, but what do I know? ;) (as I pickup another programming book) That doesn't mean that I won't take Perl positions, but I look to be paid a premium ($150-300 an hour) to even consider going through the interview process and jumping into a position whose main benefit is the pay. Heh, I've never been paid to consider/go through an interview process. My hats off to ya :) Shane -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070719/28aa5182/attachment.html From jon at hogue.org Thu Jul 19 07:50:31 2007 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2007 10:50:31 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Lead Perl Developer In-Reply-To: <2542.69.216.17.135.1184852371.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> References: <8C0274FE8CFA7F4E9EEA241A307D5CDA03467F78@svr-exch1.dawson.local> <6421AB59-A77E-4AE8-A4ED-733179438ADA@lottadot.com> <050997F3-EF9E-4780-AC08-8B51A2A9D1F2@lottadot.com> <2542.69.216.17.135.1184852371.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> Message-ID: That's a good point. It would be near impossible to sell a Perl solution where I work, but when we're in a crunch and it saves the day, no one seems to mind. On 7/19/07, Chuck Day wrote: > > I've been one of perl guys that are forced to use other crappy tools and > languages. > However when something needs "done" I can always knock it out in perl > before they > can have a meeting about what high priced tool to use. Forget about how > much time > and money we're wasting talking about it. I've even stuped to using a > .asp > extension for a couple perl apps. Just added this to apache: > > AddHandler cgi-script .cgi .asp > > I have absolutely no objection to jobs being posted here. > > Charles > > > > > > On Jul 18, 2007, at 5:10 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > > > >> good discussion. I was having this same conversationon the side. > >> > >> To me, there's two points. perl's bit of a dieing language. ie, > >> most new projects are in Java, .net or maybe Ruby. Most companies > >> that do perl are in a containment mode or are in the process of > >> converting to some other technology. And a lot of the talent that > >> used to do Perl are now doing other things (java, .net, Ruby or > >> something completely different). > > > > Sometimes I ponder on that "dieing" thing. One doesn't see too many > > perl articles on dzone, digg, etc. But is that because the other > > languages don't have things like local perl monger's groups (I know > > CMH has a Ruby group now), perl Monks, use.perl and the best tool of > > all cpan? How many of those other languages that are always being > > blogged about have the vast resources that cpan gives perl, available > > to them - now?? Or is it because instead of blogging about 10 > > different variations of the same simple sets of ruby/php code, people > > are actually just coding away in Perl instead of blogging about it? > > > > I guess it all depends on where you work. Some places are Perl shops. > > Some vb, .net, rails, java, c, whatever. Each has many frameworks, > > that different shops choose (or not) to use. > > > >> I haven't worked in Perl in over 2 years. My experience is out > >> dated. So most perl interviews are a waste of time because they end > >> up being dead ends. > > > > But how many years did you spend coding in it? How fast, if you > > wanted to, do you think you could "pick it up again"? > > > >> Also, because Perl is being used less and less in application > >> development projects, and by doing Perl development I'm missing > >> opportunities to learn more marketable technologies, it's a bit of > >> a dead end career move to. > > > > I think it depends on where you work. But most places I've worked - > > learn something new? 'Do it on your own time.' Then they don't > > understand why you get hired away at a larger salary because you know > > more and you're more valuable. Hmmm. Seems like a pattern to me, but > > what do I know? ;) (as I pickup another programming book) > > > >> That doesn't mean that I won't take Perl positions, but I look to > >> be paid a premium ($150-300 an hour) to even consider going through > >> the interview process and jumping into a position whose main > >> benefit is the pay. > > > > Heh, I've never been paid to consider/go through an interview > > process. My hats off to ya :) > > > > Shane > > > > > > > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Columbus-pm mailing list > http://columbus.pm.org/ > Columbus-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm > -- Jonathan Hogue jon at hogue.org 740-474-9170 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070719/039c25c2/attachment.html From jalex at pobox.com Fri Jul 27 14:44:57 2007 From: jalex at pobox.com (Jason) Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 17:44:57 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl survey In-Reply-To: <23B4B3E2-4E09-45D0-A2A1-58CE55316909@pm.org> References: <23B4B3E2-4E09-45D0-A2A1-58CE55316909@pm.org> Message-ID: <8d5e76f20707271444m3813724fl1a7b683b832fd5b7@mail.gmail.com> I vouch for her, as well. Feel free to complete the survey. Details below: -Jason ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jos? Alves de Castro Date: Jul 27, 2007 4:56 AM Subject: [pm_groups] Perl survey To: pm_groups at pm.org Cc: info at perlsurvey.org Hi, guys! Kirrily is doing a Perl survey :-) I answered the questions and it seems to be an interesting and valuable effort. For those of you who don't know Kirrily (aka Skud), I can vouch for her. She's one of us :-) That said, she'd appreciate it if you all took some time to take her survey and to convince your pm'ers to take it too. Cheers, :-) jac Begin forwarded message: > Take part in the 2007 Perl Survey! > > The Perl Survey is an attempt to capture a picture of the Perl > community > in all its diversity. No matter what sort of Perl programmer you are, > we'd love to hear from you. > > The survey can be found at: http://perlsurvey.org > > It only takes about 5 minutes to complete. > > The survey will be open until September 30th, 2007. After that, > we'll be > reporting on the results and making the data freely available. > > Please feel free to forward this email to anyone other Perl > programmers > you know. > > Thanks for your help! > > Yours, > > Kirrily "Skud" Robert > The Perl Survey > info at perlsurvey.org -- Jose Castro TPF Community Relations Leader -- Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org pm_groups mailing list pm_groups at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups -- The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. - George F. Will -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/columbus-pm/attachments/20070727/9245639f/attachment.html From shane at lottadot.com Tue Jul 31 04:55:57 2007 From: shane at lottadot.com (shane) Date: Tue, 31 Jul 2007 07:55:57 -0400 Subject: [Columbus-pm] Fwd: [pm_groups] Perl survey In-Reply-To: <8d5e76f20707271444m3813724fl1a7b683b832fd5b7@mail.gmail.com> References: <23B4B3E2-4E09-45D0-A2A1-58CE55316909@pm.org> <8d5e76f20707271444m3813724fl1a7b683b832fd5b7@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A7AF8FF-35EC-4804-9F8B-CDB3FC840401@lottadot.com> They announced this at OSCON, too. You have to supply your email address to them, however, to take the survey (w/ confirmation code emailed to you). Some people find these types of steps annoying, so fyi. Shane On Jul 27, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Jason wrote: > I vouch for her, as well. Feel free to complete the survey. > Details below: > > -Jason > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Jos? Alves de Castro > Date: Jul 27, 2007 4:56 AM > Subject: [pm_groups] Perl survey > To: pm_groups at pm.org > Cc: info at perlsurvey.org > > Hi, guys! > > Kirrily is doing a Perl survey :-) > > I answered the questions and it seems to be an interesting and > valuable effort. > > For those of you who don't know Kirrily (aka Skud), I can vouch for > her. She's one of us :-) > > That said, she'd appreciate it if you all took some time to take her > survey and to convince your pm'ers to take it too. > > Cheers, :-) > > jac > > > Begin forwarded message: > > > Take part in the 2007 Perl Survey! > > > > The Perl Survey is an attempt to capture a picture of the Perl > > community > > in all its diversity. No matter what sort of Perl programmer you > are, > > we'd love to hear from you. > > > > The survey can be found at: http://perlsurvey.org > > > > It only takes about 5 minutes to complete. > > > > The survey will be open until September 30th, 2007. After that, > > we'll be > > reporting on the results and making the data freely available. > > > > Please feel free to forward this email to anyone other Perl > > programmers > > you know. > > > > Thanks for your help! > > > > Yours, > > > > Kirrily "Skud" Robert > > The Perl Survey > > info at perlsurvey.org > > -- > Jose Castro > TPF Community Relations Leader > > > -- > Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org > > pm_groups mailing list > pm_groups at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups > > > -- > The nice part about being a pessimist is that you are constantly > being either proven right or pleasantly surprised. > - George F. Will > _______________________________________________ > Columbus-pm mailing list > http://columbus.pm.org/ > Columbus-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/columbus-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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