From jon at hogue.org Mon Apr 5 09:39:25 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] Perl Mongers Meetings Message-ID: <1081175965.40716f9d49906@webmail.olicentral.com> I have a meeting room setup for an April meeting. The subject is open. It'd be neet if each person came prepared to talk about the differences between Perl and a different language. ie, Java, PHP, C/C++, Python, etc. Any volunteers? Date/Time: Wednesday, April 28, 6:30 PM Location: Scottie MacBean's Date/Time: Wednesday, May 26, 6:30 PM Location: Scottie MacBean's See http://columbus.pm.org/locations.shtml for information about meeting locations. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjs at khadrin.com Mon Apr 5 18:00:36 2004 From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] What gets you excited about Perl? Message-ID: <1081206035.10078.88.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> Hi. I am new to the list, and am looking forward to attending my first meeting. I have been using Perl for about two years. It is one of my favorite tools. Recently, I have been following the development of two cool modules that have a lot of potential: Module::Build - Build and install Perl modules This is a pure perl replacement for EU::MM, and is the heir apparent. CPANPLUS.pm (CPAN.pm replacement expected to be part of Perl 5.10) already includes support for Module::Build. This module is under fairly active development. The mailing list has recently been debating a plugin architecture. http://search.cpan.org/~kwilliams/Module-Build-0.24/lib/Module/Build.pm Devel::Cover - Code coverage metrics for Perl Devel::Cover takes a completely different approach than the older Devel::Coverage, and has progressed rapidly of late. Unlike Devel::Coverage, which is limited to statement coverage metrics, Devel::Cover can generate statement, branch, condition, subroutine, pod (via Pod::Coverage), and time coverage information. Paul Johnson is the creator and maintainer of Devel::Cover. He recently posted a message to perl.qa contemplating a move to require Perl 5.8: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.qa/2636. http://search.cpan.org/~pjcj/Devel-Cover-0.40/lib/Devel/Cover.pm Neither project has yet reached the 1.0 milestone, so now is the time to get in on the ground floor. ;) I would be willing to give an introduction to one of these at an upcoming meeting if there is interest. Is anybody else following these modules? Or some others? Perl 6? Parrot? What has you excited about Perl these days? I am hoping to get some good discussion going. I hope noone minds. -- Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Mon Apr 5 18:28:43 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] What gets you excited about Perl? In-Reply-To: <1081206035.10078.88.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> References: <1081206035.10078.88.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> Message-ID: <1081207723.4071ebab7c89c@webmail.olicentral.com> > I would be willing to give an introduction to one of these at an > upcoming meeting if there is interest. That'd be great. Is this enough lead time for the April meeting? > Is anybody else following these modules? Or some others? Perl 6? > Parrot? What has you excited about Perl these days? > Perl 6 is exciting to me. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjs at khadrin.com Mon Apr 5 20:01:52 2004 From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] What gets you excited about Perl? In-Reply-To: <1081207723.4071ebab7c89c@webmail.olicentral.com> References: <1081206035.10078.88.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> <1081207723.4071ebab7c89c@webmail.olicentral.com> Message-ID: <1081213312.10078.197.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 19:28, jon@hogue.org wrote: > > I would be willing to give an introduction to one of these at an > > upcoming meeting if there is interest. > That'd be great. Is this enough lead time for the April meeting? Yes. Which module seems more interesting? My vote would probably be Devel::Cover. It would give me an excuse to dig in to the internals. Plus it is easy to make pretty output. ;) The author describes the internal workings as follows (see http://homepage.hispeed.ch/pjcj/testing_and_code_coverage/paper.html#devel::cover): "Devel::Cover...uses a pluggable runops function to gather the coverage data. Perl's runops function is a small function that does little more than loop through all the opcodes that make up your Perl program, running the appropriate functions and moving between the ops as the program dictates. It is possible for a module to replace this function with one of its own, and that is what Devel::Cover does. This allows for the tracking of each op as it is executed, and it is here that the coverage data are gathered. "But users don't care, in general, about the ops that perl is using to run their program. And so in a post processing phase, information about the ops is mapped back to reality using the rather wonderful B modules." I have never been to Scottie MacBean's. I gather it is a coffee shop. What are the facilities like? Will there be a projection screen? Wireless LAN? Am I correct in divining that the target time period is one hour? > > Is anybody else following these modules? Or some others? Perl 6? > > Parrot? What has you excited about Perl these days? > > > Perl 6 is exciting to me. Yea. I don't know as much about it as I would like to though. I haven't been following the lists. I know they have been working on Parrot. Have you tried Parrot? I think Parrot is a great idea. One bytecode to rule them all. It seems so obvious after the fact. With any luck we could have less duplication of effort and greater interoperability as a result. -- Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lenjaffe at mail.com Mon Apr 5 20:52:40 2004 From: lenjaffe at mail.com (Leonard Jaffe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] What gets you excited about Perl? Message-ID: <20040406015240.EFA6ADF9F0@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen J. Smith" Date: Mon, 05 Apr 2004 21:01:52 -0400 To: columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] What gets you excited about Perl? > On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 19:28, jon@hogue.org wrote: > I have never been to Scottie MacBean's. I gather it is a coffee shop. > What are the facilities like? Generic coffee shop. > Will there be a projection screen? > Wireless LAN? They didn't last time we were there, but hey have a little meeting room. For wireless internet, nothing beats Stauf's in Grandview. But we can just set our woreless NICs to Ad Hoc mode and network with each other. > Am I correct in divining that the target time period is > one hour? Cover what you want to cover. But I'd think that an introductory lecture about an alpha/beta piece of software wouldn't last much longer than twenty minutes. Len. -- Len Jaffe LenJaffe@JaffeSystems.com Leonard Jaffe Computer Systems Consulting Ltd Columbus, OH, USA 614-404-4214 -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjs at khadrin.com Mon Apr 5 21:39:38 2004 From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] What gets you excited about Perl? In-Reply-To: <20040406015240.EFA6ADF9F0@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040406015240.EFA6ADF9F0@ws1-5.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1081219178.10078.210.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> On Mon, 2004-04-05 at 21:52, Leonard Jaffe wrote: > > Am I correct in divining that the target time period is > > one hour? > Cover what you want to cover. But I'd think that an introductory lecture > about an alpha/beta piece of software wouldn't last much longer than twenty minutes. Ok, I wasn't sure what the expectation would be. In that respect it would be better if I got a meeting under my belt first. But I'm willing to dive in and see what happens. Twenty minutes sounds good. I'll just demo it for the most part, provide some references in one place, answer questions, that sort of thing. -- Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Mon Apr 5 22:04:46 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] What gets you excited about Perl? In-Reply-To: <1081213312.10078.197.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> References: <1081206035.10078.88.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> <1081207723.4071ebab7c89c@webmail.olicentral.com> <1081213312.10078.197.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> Message-ID: <1081220686.40721e4ed6d92@webmail.olicentral.com> > > I have never been to Scottie MacBean's. I gather it is a coffee shop. > What are the facilities like? Will there be a projection screen? > Wireless LAN? Am I correct in divining that the target time period is > one hour? It's a coffee shop/restaurant. They have wired LAN, but I haven't used it yet. I'll see if I can check out the networking features the next time I'm there. I'll try to get a projector from work. > Yea. I don't know as much about it as I would like to though. I > haven't been following the lists. I know they have been working on > Parrot. Have you tried Parrot? > > I think Parrot is a great idea. One bytecode to rule them all. It > seems so obvious after the fact. With any luck we could have less > duplication of effort and greater interoperability as a result. I'm not sure that Parrot is even in a usable format yet. Unless you like writing in assembly.... Parrot will work well for perl-like languages(python, php), but not much use for other languages (.net, java). Certain features of Perl are mutally exclusive to features of .net and java. It will be great for allowing the creation of code on one machine, and deploying the compiled code on another... Perl apps can be a pain in the butt to get running if you aren't familiar with perl. (you gotta install all the libraries) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Wed Apr 28 11:04:10 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> There is a PM meeting scheduled for tonight at Scottie's. Let me know if you plan on attending :-) ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jmiller at purifieddata.net Wed Apr 28 14:33:38 2004 From: jmiller at purifieddata.net (jmiller@purifieddata.net) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> References: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> Message-ID: <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> I'm having trouble reaching the columbus.pm.org site (connection refused). Can someone fill me in on what time the meeting will start? I've been meaning to go for a long time, and keep missing them.. hopefully I can get there this time. -- Josh I. On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 jon@hogue.org wrote: > There is a PM meeting scheduled for tonight at Scottie's. > > Let me know if you plan on attending :-) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to > columbus-pm-list@pm.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with > unsubscribe columbus-pm-list > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Wed Apr 28 14:38:14 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> References: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> Message-ID: <1083181094.409008268168c@webmail.olicentral.com> Quoting jmiller@purifieddata.net: > I'm having trouble reaching the columbus.pm.org site (connection refused). > Can someone fill me in on what time the meeting will start? > > I've been meaning to go for a long time, and keep missing them.. hopefully > I can get there this time. That sucks. I wonder what's going on.... The meeting starts at 6:30 at Scotties. (The southern one on high street just north of henderson rd.). ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From Charles.Day at s1te.com Wed Apr 28 15:14:50 2004 From: Charles.Day at s1te.com (Charles Day) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> References: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> Message-ID: <3200.65.60.236.219.1083183290.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> Figures it goes down the day of our meeting. Was it 6:00pm at Scottie's? > I'm having trouble reaching the columbus.pm.org site (connection > refused). > Can someone fill me in on what time the meeting will start? > > I've been meaning to go for a long time, and keep missing them.. > hopefully > I can get there this time. > > -- > Josh I. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjs at khadrin.com Wed Apr 28 15:16:41 2004 From: sjs at khadrin.com (Stephen J. Smith) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <3200.65.60.236.219.1083183290.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> References: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> <3200.65.60.236.219.1083183290.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> Message-ID: <1083183401.24057.2.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> On Wed, 2004-04-28 at 16:14, Charles Day wrote: > Figures it goes down the day of our meeting. Was it 6:00pm at > Scottie's? 6:30pm at Scottie's www.pm.org is down too, but dc.pm.org isn't. They resolve to different IPs. Maybe we should run our own web server so we can blame ourselves/fix it. Relax, I'm mostly kidding. =p -- Stephen J. Smith | sjs@khadrin.com | http://khadrin.com/ ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lenjaffe at mail.com Wed Apr 28 15:52:21 2004 From: lenjaffe at mail.com (Leonard Jaffe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <20040428205221.ACA354BDA7@ws1-17.us4.outblaze.com> I believe it was scheduled for a 600 schmooze start with perl content to begin at 630. I will not be able to make it, nor any other Wednesdays for the forseeable future due to duelling work schedules. Thats is unless you want to try to teach perl to my 4,5, and 9 year-olds. :-) Len. ----- Original Message ----- From: jmiller@purifieddata.net Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:33:38 -0400 (EDT) To: jon@hogue.org Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight > I'm having trouble reaching the columbus.pm.org site (connection refused). > Can someone fill me in on what time the meeting will start? > > I've been meaning to go for a long time, and keep missing them.. hopefully > I can get there this time. > > -- > Josh I. > > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 jon@hogue.org wrote: > > > There is a PM meeting scheduled for tonight at Scottie's. > > > > Let me know if you plan on attending :-) > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to > > columbus-pm-list@pm.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with > > unsubscribe columbus-pm-list > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to > columbus-pm-list@pm.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with > unsubscribe columbus-pm-list > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- -- Len Jaffe LenJaffe@JaffeSystems.com Leonard Jaffe Computer Systems Consulting Ltd Columbus, OH, USA 614-404-4214 -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Wed Apr 28 15:56:35 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <3200.65.60.236.219.1083183290.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> References: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> <3200.65.60.236.219.1083183290.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> Message-ID: <1083185795.40901a83dbbf9@webmail.olicentral.com> 6 or 6:30. We're an informal bunch :-) I think it was 6:00-6:30, arrival. 6:30, start our meeting. I'm in the room right now... internet, yah! projector, yah! Quoting Charles Day : > Figures it goes down the day of our meeting. Was it 6:00pm at > Scottie's? > > > > > I'm having trouble reaching the columbus.pm.org site (connection > > refused). > > Can someone fill me in on what time the meeting will start? > > > > I've been meaning to go for a long time, and keep missing them.. > > hopefully > > I can get there this time. > > > > -- > > Josh I. > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to > columbus-pm-list@pm.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with > unsubscribe columbus-pm-list > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Wed Apr 28 15:57:42 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <1083183401.24057.2.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> References: <1083168250.408fd5fac0e40@webmail.olicentral.com> <20040428153054.X93526@maverick.purifieddata.net> <3200.65.60.236.219.1083183290.squirrel@WWW.S1TE.COM> <1083183401.24057.2.camel@cobra.khadrin.com> Message-ID: <1083185862.40901ac650922@webmail.olicentral.com> I think some people in the group have webspace available... it'd be nice to have some cgi's on our page. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From jon at hogue.org Wed Apr 28 16:03:20 2004 From: jon at hogue.org (jon@hogue.org) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight In-Reply-To: <20040428205221.ACA354BDA7@ws1-17.us4.outblaze.com> References: <20040428205221.ACA354BDA7@ws1-17.us4.outblaze.com> Message-ID: <1083186200.40901c189c411@webmail.olicentral.com> That'd be a testimate to it's learnability. Quoting Leonard Jaffe : > I believe it was scheduled for a 600 schmooze start with perl content > to begin at 630. > > I will not be able to make it, nor any other Wednesdays for the > forseeable future due to duelling work schedules. > Thats is unless you want to try to teach perl to my 4,5, and 9 year-olds. > :-) > > Len. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: jmiller@purifieddata.net > Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2004 15:33:38 -0400 (EDT) > To: jon@hogue.org > Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight > > > I'm having trouble reaching the columbus.pm.org site (connection > refused). > > Can someone fill me in on what time the meeting will start? > > > > I've been meaning to go for a long time, and keep missing them.. > hopefully > > I can get there this time. > > > > -- > > Josh I. > > > > On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 jon@hogue.org wrote: > > > > > There is a PM meeting scheduled for tonight at Scottie's. > > > > > > Let me know if you plan on attending :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to > > > columbus-pm-list@pm.org > > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with > > > unsubscribe columbus-pm-list > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to > > columbus-pm-list@pm.org > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with > > unsubscribe columbus-pm-list > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > Len Jaffe LenJaffe@JaffeSystems.com > Leonard Jaffe Computer Systems Consulting Ltd > Columbus, OH, USA 614-404-4214 > > -- > ___________________________________________________________ > Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com > http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to > columbus-pm-list@pm.org > > To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with > unsubscribe columbus-pm-list > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list ----------------------------------------------------------------------- From lenjaffe at mail.com Wed Apr 28 17:14:33 2004 From: lenjaffe at mail.com (Leonard Jaffe) Date: Thu Aug 5 00:00:18 2004 Subject: [columbus.pm] PM Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <20040428221433.3B9F64BDA7@ws1-17.us4.outblaze.com> ----- Original Message ----- From: jon@hogue.org > That'd be a testimate to it's learnability. And to my kids' teacheossitude. -- ___________________________________________________________ Sign-up for Ads Free at Mail.com http://promo.mail.com/adsfreejump.htm ----------------------------------------------------------------------- To send mail to the Columbus.pm list send email to columbus-pm-list@pm.org To unsubscribe send an email to majordomo@pm.org with unsubscribe columbus-pm-list -----------------------------------------------------------------------