From jalex+ at osu.edu  Wed Mar  1 23:51:26 2000
From: jalex+ at osu.edu (J Alex)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday
Message-ID: <38BE015E.4D86D37A@osu.edu>

Ah, I am kissing the hopes of a meeting place with a projector and stuff
goodbye for now.  How about next thursday at a coffee shop.  We met at
Caribou Cafe in granville the first time last year, I believe.  Also, I
am seriously considering picking up a motorcycle.  Anyone with a bike
want to have me tag along and learn from ya?  I will probably take the
written test on Friday and pick up the bike when my tax return gets
here. =)

I would love to have someone take over the web page editing also.  I
guess I was denying how busy I really am.  Look at me...it's almost 1am
and I work at 8am....pitiful.  Anyway, come(or have come) to a couple
meetings and express interest in doing the web site and it's yours to
play with all you want.

And does anyone want a Dual P3/450 scsi box?  Here's my failed ebay
posting:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=268467431

I would take 1200$ for it...it's like 6 to 7 months old and has some
pretty nice hardware.  This will make it even easier for me to afford a
bike.  It's a hardcore box for linux/freebsd.  My employer is letting me
bring home a pii box, so I don't mind giving up this one.  I don't mean
to use this list as classifieds, but if you throw it at the end of a
valid posting,it shouldn't kill ya.

Also, can someone please complain about this group if you are unhappy
with it?  I mean really, give me some feedback...like "man, are you
losers ever going to meet?" or "you need some ... to liven up the
place".  I know you are all experts in perl, so I won't try to start a
discussion about things again...last time I got "read the docs".  haha. 

One of the biggest needs in the perl community, from my point of view,
is some good documentation and tutorials.  So many of the non-oreilly
books are crap, and outside of the awesome perldoc stuff, there isn't a
ton of literature.  Especially on perl/GTK.  Sure, you can program in it
reasonably easy, but I haven't met many people who actually understand
what the heck is going on when they use it.  Maybe we could have a
documentation project for some application of perl.  We wouldn't need a
projector and you could be half-drunk and still do better than "Learn
<X> in 21 days" kind of stuff.

Input...input...

-- 
Unix System Administrator
Fisher College of Business
The Ohio State University
<email> jalex+@osu.edu
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From sethh at ureach.com  Thu Mar  2 07:47:58 2000
From: sethh at ureach.com (Seth)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Something to talk about maybe?
Message-ID: <200003021347.IAA27562@www1.ureach.com>

This is kind of in reply to the previous message..

I'm fairly new to perl and I don't know much yet about using it 
with GTK or TK/Perl.  There is a pretty cool program that I 
found out about a few months ago called Kgutenbook(and also 
tkGutenbook.  the Kgutenbook is the same thing, but 
specifically for KDE).  Anyone heard of it?  It automatically 
goes and downloads all of the book titles and info from the 
gutenburg project and displays them in its own window.  From 
there, you can just click a title and it automatically downloads 
the file and displays it in its own book style format(just 2 
pages).  

The address for the program is 
http://www.llornkcor.com/software.htm

Well now to my point.  What are the advantages of using perl/Tk 
against GTK?  Has anyone worked with either long enough to 
discover any glaring or even nonobvious problems with either?  
Also, I know that Tk programs will work in windows, but will GTK 
stuff?   If GTK isn't available for windows yet, that could be 
another reason why to use Tk. 

Later,
-Seth

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From howard at osn.state.oh.us  Thu Mar  2 08:38:54 2000
From: howard at osn.state.oh.us (Howard, Matt)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Something to talk about maybe?
Message-ID: <316E5B943771D311BAC500805FD7A0782992A7@mail>

I remember read/seeing something a couple years ago that you could (though I
don't know why you'd want to) embed a tk app in a web page....

-----Original Message-----
From: Seth [mailto:sethh@ureach.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 8:48 AM
To: Perl Mongers
Subject: [columbus.pm] Something to talk about maybe?


This is kind of in reply to the previous message..

I'm fairly new to perl and I don't know much yet about using it 
with GTK or TK/Perl.  There is a pretty cool program that I 
found out about a few months ago called Kgutenbook(and also 
tkGutenbook.  the Kgutenbook is the same thing, but 
specifically for KDE).  Anyone heard of it?  It automatically 
goes and downloads all of the book titles and info from the 
gutenburg project and displays them in its own window.  From 
there, you can just click a title and it automatically downloads 
the file and displays it in its own book style format(just 2 
pages).  

The address for the program is 
http://www.llornkcor.com/software.htm

Well now to my point.  What are the advantages of using perl/Tk 
against GTK?  Has anyone worked with either long enough to 
discover any glaring or even nonobvious problems with either?  
Also, I know that Tk programs will work in windows, but will GTK 
stuff?   If GTK isn't available for windows yet, that could be 
another reason why to use Tk. 

Later,
-Seth

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From chaday at symix.com  Thu Mar  2 10:32:03 2000
From: chaday at symix.com (Charles Day)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] When and where's the next meeting?
Message-ID: <ADA279A216AFD211AD4000902732B733020D55D5@cmhmail.symix.com>

I'm still in Columbus and still interested.  

Charles Day
IT
Symix Systems, Inc.
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From zosima at geocities.com  Thu Mar  2 11:21:59 2000
From: zosima at geocities.com (Michael Benedict)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday
References: <38BE015E.4D86D37A@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <38BEA337.F03184E4@geocities.com>

I think I could take care of the webpage, if necessary.  It would be
awesome if we could CVS it and I could post tasks to the list and let
someone take care of it if I get really busy.  That is just my thoughts,
but if we can't I have no problem giving it a good try.

As far as feedback, I am a little upset about not getting to meet, but
I very much understand the reasons.  I think you are as frustrated with the
situation as anyone.  I also think it is a good idea to just go for the
meeting anyway and try to build from there.

As far as the documentation, I have had a little idea floating around in my
head for a week now.  I fell in love with LaTeX, and knowing how many
people want to learn perl, I thought it would be really cool if we started
to work on a book.  It would be a big project, but there is no time limit
to get it done and we could have several perl whizzes working on it. Put it
on a CVS server, let people work on parts of it, make it in LaTeX, book GPL
it, and see what happens.  We all have  a lot of talent in different areas,
and we could just attack our own chapters and then peer review each.  Just
put up some postscript on our webpage and if things went well we could even
try to get Cop-Ez or someone to carry out a bit of a production run and try
to sell them, and get some money for the club.  Granted, this is just the
beginning of an idea, and I wanted to post it to see if it excites anyone
else and if there are any bad parts of my plan.  You just gave me the
perfect opportunity to do so.

    peace,
        Mike

J Alex wrote:

> Ah, I am kissing the hopes of a meeting place with a projector and stuff
> goodbye for now.  How about next thursday at a coffee shop.  We met at
> Caribou Cafe in granville the first time last year, I believe.  Also, I
> am seriously considering picking up a motorcycle.  Anyone with a bike
> want to have me tag along and learn from ya?  I will probably take the
> written test on Friday and pick up the bike when my tax return gets
> here. =)
>
> I would love to have someone take over the web page editing also.  I
> guess I was denying how busy I really am.  Look at me...it's almost 1am
> and I work at 8am....pitiful.  Anyway, come(or have come) to a couple
> meetings and express interest in doing the web site and it's yours to
> play with all you want.
>
> And does anyone want a Dual P3/450 scsi box?  Here's my failed ebay
> posting:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=268467431
>
> I would take 1200$ for it...it's like 6 to 7 months old and has some
> pretty nice hardware.  This will make it even easier for me to afford a
> bike.  It's a hardcore box for linux/freebsd.  My employer is letting me
> bring home a pii box, so I don't mind giving up this one.  I don't mean
> to use this list as classifieds, but if you throw it at the end of a
> valid posting,it shouldn't kill ya.
>
> Also, can someone please complain about this group if you are unhappy
> with it?  I mean really, give me some feedback...like "man, are you
> losers ever going to meet?" or "you need some ... to liven up the
> place".  I know you are all experts in perl, so I won't try to start a
> discussion about things again...last time I got "read the docs".  haha.
>
> One of the biggest needs in the perl community, from my point of view,
> is some good documentation and tutorials.  So many of the non-oreilly
> books are crap, and outside of the awesome perldoc stuff, there isn't a
> ton of literature.  Especially on perl/GTK.  Sure, you can program in it
> reasonably easy, but I haven't met many people who actually understand
> what the heck is going on when they use it.  Maybe we could have a
> documentation project for some application of perl.  We wouldn't need a
> projector and you could be half-drunk and still do better than "Learn
> <X> in 21 days" kind of stuff.
>
> Input...input...
>
> --
> Unix System Administrator
> Fisher College of Business
> The Ohio State University
> <email> jalex+@osu.edu
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From levanti at verbum.org  Thu Mar  2 12:10:32 2000
From: levanti at verbum.org (Colin Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday
In-Reply-To: J Alex's message of "Thu, 02 Mar 2000 00:51:26 -0500"
References: <38BE015E.4D86D37A@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <87g0u9dyzr.fsf@meta.verbum.org>

>>>>> "Jason" == J Alex <jalex+@osu.edu> writes:

    Jason> Ah, I am kissing the hopes of a meeting place with a
    Jason> projector and stuff goodbye for now.  How about next
    Jason> thursday at a coffee shop.  We met at Caribou Cafe in
    Jason> granville the first time last year, I believe.

A coffee shop would be ok, but someone should at least bring a laptop
or something :)  I'm all for another meeting though.  Does anyone want
to do presentations?

    Jason> Also, can someone please complain about this group if you
    Jason> are unhappy with it?

I think we just need to be more organized.  

    Jason> One of the biggest needs in the perl community, from my
    Jason> point of view, is some good documentation and tutorials.
    Jason> So many of the non-oreilly books are crap, and outside of
    Jason> the awesome perldoc stuff, there isn't a ton of literature.
    Jason> Especially on perl/GTK.  Sure, you can program in it
    Jason> reasonably easy, but I haven't met many people who actually
    Jason> understand what the heck is going on when they use it.

Well, it's actually pretty simple:

Gtk.pm is a extremely thin wrapper over libgtk-1.2.so.  It uses
DynaLoader.pm, which works OS-specific dlopen() magic.  Basically,
what happens when you do

my $topwindow = new Gtk::Widget("GtkButton", foo, bar);

is Gtk.pm translates Gtk::Widget::new("GtkButton") into
gtk_widget_new("GtkButton", foo, bar).  Then DynaLoader.pm uses
dlsym() to extract the function address of gtk_widget_new from
libgtk-1.2.so, then it translates the perl strings and whatnot into
the equivalent C structures, then it calls gtk_widget_new with the
given arguments, and finally it packs the C return value into a perl
data structure, and returns it.

In summary, programming in Gtk/Perl is _exactly_ like programming in
Gtk/C.  You just get automatic translation of function arguments in
between C and perl data structures.

-- 
Colin Walters <levanti@verbum.org>
http://web.verbum.org/levanti
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From kmonte at mchs.com  Thu Mar  2 13:02:01 2000
From: kmonte at mchs.com (Monte, Kenn)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday
Message-ID: <5146C7B0D0D8D211923B0008C7453A9F01203A59@mcehex02.mchs.com>

A team/task oriented approach is probably a good idea in keeping the webpage
updated & useful.
Let's face it, we are all busy, but we would also all like to see
columbus.pm thrive.

I agree that there could be more perl (module) documentation. I would like
to see a code/module of the week/month (?) section on the page; we all
think, problem solve and program a bit differently. We all have our favorite
modules, lets share this passion, with a module and a code snippet for a
real world example.

For example, I used system(" ftp -i -n < $Ftpfile"); until I found Net::FTP
from libnet-1.0607. 
Now my scripts look more like this:
sub FtpSend() {
  $Ftphome = "/usr/data/stats/hosts/$Host";
  $Ftp = Net::FTP->new("$IP");
  $Ftp->login("$User","$Pass");
  $Ftp->cwd("$Ftphome");
  $Ftp->binary;
  foreach $File(@Files) { $Ftp->put("$File") }
  $Ftp->quit;
}

That module is a life saver.
I suspect we could all learn from and enjoy the experience that each other
has.




Kenn Monte
Senior Systems Programmer (pronounced 'unix bitch')
Information Resources, Mount Carmel Health
Phone: (614) 234-8761 Fax: (614) 234-8880
Email: kmonte@mchs.com



-----Original Message-----

From: Michael Benedict [mailto:zosima@geocities.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 12:22 PM
To: columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday


I think I could take care of the webpage, if necessary.  It would be
awesome if we could CVS it and I could post tasks to the list and let
someone take care of it if I get really busy.  That is just my thoughts,
but if we can't I have no problem giving it a good try.

As far as feedback, I am a little upset about not getting to meet, but
I very much understand the reasons.  I think you are as frustrated with the
situation as anyone.  I also think it is a good idea to just go for the
meeting anyway and try to build from there.

As far as the documentation, I have had a little idea floating around in my
head for a week now.  I fell in love with LaTeX, and knowing how many
people want to learn perl, I thought it would be really cool if we started
to work on a book.  It would be a big project, but there is no time limit
to get it done and we could have several perl whizzes working on it. Put it
on a CVS server, let people work on parts of it, make it in LaTeX, book GPL
it, and see what happens.  We all have  a lot of talent in different areas,
and we could just attack our own chapters and then peer review each.  Just
put up some postscript on our webpage and if things went well we could even
try to get Cop-Ez or someone to carry out a bit of a production run and try
to sell them, and get some money for the club.  Granted, this is just the
beginning of an idea, and I wanted to post it to see if it excites anyone
else and if there are any bad parts of my plan.  You just gave me the
perfect opportunity to do so.

    peace,
        Mike

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From howard at osn.state.oh.us  Thu Mar  2 13:18:22 2000
From: howard at osn.state.oh.us (Howard, Matt)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday
Message-ID: <316E5B943771D311BAC500805FD7A0782992A8@mail>

As a follow-up/tangent, has anyone had any experience with graphics in GTK.
Specifically, I'm looking to write a program that handles a lot of
"sprites", arbitrary-sized scanned art that the user can drag and drop
around a window.

Any thoughts?  Perl is my prefered tool for this 'cause I'm still in the
protoyping stage.

Oh, did I mention that the target platform is MacPerl but the dev platform
is Linux?
<demonic_laughter>
	hahahahah
</demonic_laughter>

M

-----Original Message-----
From: Colin Walters [mailto:levanti@verbum.org]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 1:11 PM
To: columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday


>>>>> "Jason" == J Alex <jalex+@osu.edu> writes:

    Jason> Ah, I am kissing the hopes of a meeting place with a
    Jason> projector and stuff goodbye for now.  How about next
    Jason> thursday at a coffee shop.  We met at Caribou Cafe in
    Jason> granville the first time last year, I believe.

A coffee shop would be ok, but someone should at least bring a laptop
or something :)  I'm all for another meeting though.  Does anyone want
to do presentations?

    Jason> Also, can someone please complain about this group if you
    Jason> are unhappy with it?

I think we just need to be more organized.  

    Jason> One of the biggest needs in the perl community, from my
    Jason> point of view, is some good documentation and tutorials.
    Jason> So many of the non-oreilly books are crap, and outside of
    Jason> the awesome perldoc stuff, there isn't a ton of literature.
    Jason> Especially on perl/GTK.  Sure, you can program in it
    Jason> reasonably easy, but I haven't met many people who actually
    Jason> understand what the heck is going on when they use it.

Well, it's actually pretty simple:

Gtk.pm is a extremely thin wrapper over libgtk-1.2.so.  It uses
DynaLoader.pm, which works OS-specific dlopen() magic.  Basically,
what happens when you do

my $topwindow = new Gtk::Widget("GtkButton", foo, bar);

is Gtk.pm translates Gtk::Widget::new("GtkButton") into
gtk_widget_new("GtkButton", foo, bar).  Then DynaLoader.pm uses
dlsym() to extract the function address of gtk_widget_new from
libgtk-1.2.so, then it translates the perl strings and whatnot into
the equivalent C structures, then it calls gtk_widget_new with the
given arguments, and finally it packs the C return value into a perl
data structure, and returns it.

In summary, programming in Gtk/Perl is _exactly_ like programming in
Gtk/C.  You just get automatic translation of function arguments in
between C and perl data structures.

-- 
Colin Walters <levanti@verbum.org>
http://web.verbum.org/levanti
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From chaday at symix.com  Thu Mar  2 15:32:52 2000
From: chaday at symix.com (Charles Day)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday
Message-ID: <ADA279A216AFD211AD4000902732B733020D55DB@cmhmail.symix.com>

Sorry to intrude, but I'm not familiar with this group yet.  The website
mentioned meetings the first Thur. of every month, which would be tonight.
Are there any plans?  Anyone want to make it later this month?  I can assist
with the website as long as it's running Apache.  I run about 30 now for
work and play.  IIS makes me cringe, no offense.

>>newbie



-----Original Message-----
From: Monte, Kenn [mailto:kmonte@mchs.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 2:02 PM
To: 'columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
Subject: RE: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday


A team/task oriented approach is probably a good idea in keeping the webpage
updated & useful.
Let's face it, we are all busy, but we would also all like to see
columbus.pm thrive.

I agree that there could be more perl (module) documentation. I would like
to see a code/module of the week/month (?) section on the page; we all
think, problem solve and program a bit differently. We all have our favorite
modules, lets share this passion, with a module and a code snippet for a
real world example.

For example, I used system(" ftp -i -n < $Ftpfile"); until I found Net::FTP
from libnet-1.0607. 
Now my scripts look more like this:
sub FtpSend() {
  $Ftphome = "/usr/data/stats/hosts/$Host";
  $Ftp = Net::FTP->new("$IP");
  $Ftp->login("$User","$Pass");
  $Ftp->cwd("$Ftphome");
  $Ftp->binary;
  foreach $File(@Files) { $Ftp->put("$File") }
  $Ftp->quit;
}

That module is a life saver.
I suspect we could all learn from and enjoy the experience that each other
has.




Kenn Monte
Senior Systems Programmer (pronounced 'unix bitch')
Information Resources, Mount Carmel Health
Phone: (614) 234-8761 Fax: (614) 234-8880
Email: kmonte@mchs.com



-----Original Message-----

From: Michael Benedict [mailto:zosima@geocities.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2000 12:22 PM
To: columbus-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday


I think I could take care of the webpage, if necessary.  It would be
awesome if we could CVS it and I could post tasks to the list and let
someone take care of it if I get really busy.  That is just my thoughts,
but if we can't I have no problem giving it a good try.

As far as feedback, I am a little upset about not getting to meet, but
I very much understand the reasons.  I think you are as frustrated with the
situation as anyone.  I also think it is a good idea to just go for the
meeting anyway and try to build from there.

As far as the documentation, I have had a little idea floating around in my
head for a week now.  I fell in love with LaTeX, and knowing how many
people want to learn perl, I thought it would be really cool if we started
to work on a book.  It would be a big project, but there is no time limit
to get it done and we could have several perl whizzes working on it. Put it
on a CVS server, let people work on parts of it, make it in LaTeX, book GPL
it, and see what happens.  We all have  a lot of talent in different areas,
and we could just attack our own chapters and then peer review each.  Just
put up some postscript on our webpage and if things went well we could even
try to get Cop-Ez or someone to carry out a bit of a production run and try
to sell them, and get some money for the club.  Granted, this is just the
beginning of an idea, and I wanted to post it to see if it excites anyone
else and if there are any bad parts of my plan.  You just gave me the
perfect opportunity to do so.

    peace,
        Mike

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From zosima at geocities.com  Sat Mar  4 01:06:45 2000
From: zosima at geocities.com (Michael Benedict)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting next thursday
References: <38BE015E.4D86D37A@osu.edu> <87g0u9dyzr.fsf@meta.verbum.org>
Message-ID: <38C0B605.C80FDA8C@geocities.com>

> Does anyone want to do presentations?

I am still very willing to do my data structures
presentation.  Actually, it will probably also include CGI stuff since 1)
a lot of people are interested in it and 2) I have a cgi script lying
around that uses some advanced data structures stuff.   Okay, mostly the
latter, but it should be cool.  Very much looking forward to it.  Post the
location, and they will come (we should also look into cross posting to
osu news lists for meetings, and maybe even putting up some signs, this
really helps turn-out).
    Peace,
        Mike

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From levanti at verbum.org  Sat Mar  4 18:02:22 2000
From: levanti at verbum.org (Colin Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next thursday
Message-ID: <87hfemxp0x.fsf@meta.verbum.org>

With respect to the meeting next thursday, I propose we meet at
Stauf's, in Grandview.  It was a bit loud last time I was there, but
it is also large, and parking isn't a pain.

I'd like to do a presentation on Perl as an extension language; sort
of a case study of its use in applications like Gnumeric and The
GIMP, and how to use Perl to extend your applications.  Does anyone
else besides Mike and me want to do presentations?

Quick poll: How many people are thinking about coming?

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From collins.90 at osu.edu  Sat Mar  4 20:32:43 2000
From: collins.90 at osu.edu (Pat Collins)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next thursday
In-Reply-To: <87hfemxp0x.fsf@meta.verbum.org>
References: <87hfemxp0x.fsf@meta.verbum.org>
Message-ID: <20000304213243.G4242@osu.edu>

http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue51/mauerer.html

Looks like the Linuxgazette beat yea to it.

Pat

On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 07:02:22PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> With respect to the meeting next thursday, I propose we meet at
> Stauf's, in Grandview.  It was a bit loud last time I was there, but
> it is also large, and parking isn't a pain.
> 
> I'd like to do a presentation on Perl as an extension language; sort
> of a case study of its use in applications like Gnumeric and The
> GIMP, and how to use Perl to extend your applications.  Does anyone
> else besides Mike and me want to do presentations?
> 
> Quick poll: How many people are thinking about coming?
> 
> -- 
> Colin Walters <levanti@verbum.org>
> http://web.verbum.org/levanti
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From jalex+ at osu.edu  Sun Mar  5 07:55:38 2000
From: jalex+ at osu.edu (J Alex)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next thursday
References: <87hfemxp0x.fsf@meta.verbum.org> <20000304213243.G4242@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <38C2675A.15C3D61C@osu.edu>

I don't know what stauf's is, but it sounds good. =)
--Jason

Pat Collins wrote:
> 
> http://www.linuxgazette.com/issue51/mauerer.html
> 
> Looks like the Linuxgazette beat yea to it.
> 
> Pat
> 
> On Sat, Mar 04, 2000 at 07:02:22PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> > With respect to the meeting next thursday, I propose we meet at
> > Stauf's, in Grandview.  It was a bit loud last time I was there, but
> > it is also large, and parking isn't a pain.
> >
> > I'd like to do a presentation on Perl as an extension language; sort
> > of a case study of its use in applications like Gnumeric and The
> > GIMP, and how to use Perl to extend your applications.  Does anyone
> > else besides Mike and me want to do presentations?
> >
> > Quick poll: How many people are thinking about coming?
> >
> > --
> > Colin Walters <levanti@verbum.org>
> > http://web.verbum.org/levanti
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From herrold at owlriver.com  Sun Mar  5 08:14:25 2000
From: herrold at owlriver.com (R P Herrold)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next thursday
In-Reply-To: <38C2675A.15C3D61C@osu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003050910210.22188-100000@swampfox.owlriver.com>

On Sun, 5 Mar 2000, J Alex wrote:

> I don't know what stauf's is, but it sounds good. =)
> --Jason

Stauf's is a coffeehouse between Third and First Avenues, on
the Grandview Avenue strip, on a busline, and with some room.
Just up the street is another such house, a Caribou with
perhaps more square footage.  

Down the street (First Avenue) is the Grandview Public
Library, and if this catches on, it may be possible to meet
there, as well.  They have meeting rooms, and I believe,
possibly net access.  

Jason --- You are the 'leader' of this merry band.  Have you
considered an announcement to CMH-UNIX and COLUG?

-- Russ


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From jalex+ at osu.edu  Mon Mar  6 08:47:30 2000
From: jalex+ at osu.edu (Jason Alexander)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting 3/9/2000
Message-ID: <4.3.2.20000306094257.00c92100@mail.cob.ohio-state.edu>

Greets - please see the web page for details on where we are meeting.  The 
skinny is

Stauf's (in Grandview)
1277 Grandview Ave.
Columbus,OH 43212
Phone: (614) 486-4861

Date: march 9, 2000 - Thursday
Time:  7p.m.
What: presentations/discussions with Mike and Colin - ways to extend 
applications with perl...current uses, ideas, etc.

You will probably see more information about it before the meeting arrives.
--Jason



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From levanti at verbum.org  Mon Mar  6 16:24:07 2000
From: levanti at verbum.org (Colin Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting 3/9/2000
In-Reply-To: Jason Alexander's message of "Mon, 06 Mar 2000 09:47:30 -0500"
References: <4.3.2.20000306094257.00c92100@mail.cob.ohio-state.edu>
Message-ID: <87ln3vwxdk.fsf@meta.verbum.org>

>>>>> "Jason" == Jason Alexander <jalex+@osu.edu> writes:

    Jason> What: presentations/discussions with Mike and Colin - ways
    Jason> to extend applications with perl...current uses, ideas,
    Jason> etc.

Well, it will probably be difficult to give an interesting
presentation without the use of some sort of overhead projector or
chalkboard.  I'll work on that, but for now don't expect anything big
from my little talk :)  Maybe I'll save it for the next meeting, when
we *will* have good presentation equipment, or else :)

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From zosima at geocities.com  Mon Mar  6 17:12:29 2000
From: zosima at geocities.com (Michael Benedict)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting 3/9/2000
References: <4.3.2.20000306094257.00c92100@mail.cob.ohio-state.edu> <87ln3vwxdk.fsf@meta.verbum.org>
Message-ID: <38C43B5D.2AF003C6@geocities.com>

Colin Walters wrote:

> >>>>> "Jason" == Jason Alexander <jalex+@osu.edu> writes:
>
>     Jason> What: presentations/discussions with Mike and Colin - ways
>     Jason> to extend applications with perl...current uses, ideas,
>     Jason> etc.
>
> Well, it will probably be difficult to give an interesting
> presentation without the use of some sort of overhead projector or
> chalkboard.  I'll work on that, but for now don't expect anything big
> from my little talk :)  Maybe I'll save it for the next meeting, when
> we *will* have good presentation equipment, or else :)

What I am planning on doing (Jason, you will bring your laptop, right?) is
making 20 or so copies of my code with line numbers and handing them out
and talking about them.  Jason, could you download the script from
www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~benedict/sign-up.txt and set it up so it works on
your laptop?  I will basically let people look at the laptop and try out
the form, and explain it via the hand outs.  Sound cool?
Okay, let me know if someone is interested in posting an announcement to
some newsgroups like osu.sys.linux and cis.general, otherwise I should do
it (prolly tonight).  I am going to target my presentation to the lowest
comon denominator, so it would be nice to get some newbies and people
interested in perl there.  Plus, CGI stuff usually interests people.  Let
me know what you think.  Colin, I think that if you could give yours this
time you should (because you are good enough, smart enough, and gosh
darnit, people like you).  It would be nice to just get something decent
together and get people interested.
    peace,
        Mike

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From levanti at verbum.org  Mon Mar  6 17:47:11 2000
From: levanti at verbum.org (Colin Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting 3/9/2000
In-Reply-To: Michael Benedict's message of "Mon, 06 Mar 2000 23:12:29 +0000"
References: <4.3.2.20000306094257.00c92100@mail.cob.ohio-state.edu> <87ln3vwxdk.fsf@meta.verbum.org> <38C43B5D.2AF003C6@geocities.com>
Message-ID: <877lffwtj4.fsf@meta.verbum.org>

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Benedict <zosima@geocities.com> writes:

    Michael> Okay, let me know if someone is interested in posting an
    Michael> announcement to some newsgroups like osu.sys.linux and
    Michael> cis.general, otherwise I should do it (prolly tonight).

Go ahead and do the announcement.  My topic should currently be
defined as:

"Using Perl as an extension language"

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From zosima at geocities.com  Mon Mar  6 18:46:41 2000
From: zosima at geocities.com (Michael Benedict)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Columbus Perl Mongers meet Thursday
Message-ID: <38C45171.CC48290E@geocities.com>

Who: The Columbus Perl Mongers  (http://columbus.pm.org)
Where: Stauf's (in Grandview)
    1277 Grandview Ave.
    Columbus,OH 43212
    Phone: (614) 486-4861
Date: March 9, 2000 - this Thursday
Time:  7p.m.
What:
    presentations
        -Colin Walters "Using Perl as an Extension Language"
        -Mike Benedict "Introduction to Perl Data Types and the
CGI module"
    general discussion

Everyone is invited.  This is an excellent opportunity for those new to
perl to learn more.

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From jalex+ at osu.edu  Mon Mar  6 19:02:12 2000
From: jalex+ at osu.edu (J Alex)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Meeting 3/9/2000
References: <4.3.2.20000306094257.00c92100@mail.cob.ohio-state.edu> <87ln3vwxdk.fsf@meta.verbum.org> <38C43B5D.2AF003C6@geocities.com>
Message-ID: <38C45514.DAC1792E@osu.edu>

My laptop only has a 10.4" screen, ya know. =)  But it's a sparcbook.
(possibly will want to be plugged in to)  =(
I will set it up.
--Jason



Michael Benedict wrote:
> 
> Colin Walters wrote:
> 
> > >>>>> "Jason" == Jason Alexander <jalex+@osu.edu> writes:
> >
> >     Jason> What: presentations/discussions with Mike and Colin - ways
> >     Jason> to extend applications with perl...current uses, ideas,
> >     Jason> etc.
> >
> > Well, it will probably be difficult to give an interesting
> > presentation without the use of some sort of overhead projector or
> > chalkboard.  I'll work on that, but for now don't expect anything big
> > from my little talk :)  Maybe I'll save it for the next meeting, when
> > we *will* have good presentation equipment, or else :)
> 
> What I am planning on doing (Jason, you will bring your laptop, right?) is
> making 20 or so copies of my code with line numbers and handing them out
> and talking about them.  Jason, could you download the script from
> www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~benedict/sign-up.txt and set it up so it works on
> your laptop?  I will basically let people look at the laptop and try out
> the form, and explain it via the hand outs.  Sound cool?
> Okay, let me know if someone is interested in posting an announcement to
> some newsgroups like osu.sys.linux and cis.general, otherwise I should do
> it (prolly tonight).  I am going to target my presentation to the lowest
> comon denominator, so it would be nice to get some newbies and people
> interested in perl there.  Plus, CGI stuff usually interests people.  Let
> me know what you think.  Colin, I think that if you could give yours this
> time you should (because you are good enough, smart enough, and gosh
> darnit, people like you).  It would be nice to just get something decent
> together and get people interested.
>     peace,
>         Mike
> 
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From levanti at verbum.org  Mon Mar  6 20:09:32 2000
From: levanti at verbum.org (Colin Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Re: Announcement: Columbus Perl-Mongers -  3/9/2000
In-Reply-To: hunter's message of "Mon, 6 Mar 2000 20:19:55 -0500 (EST)"
References: <Pine.LNX.4.10.10003061951460.14160-100000@swampfox.owlriver.com>
Message-ID: <87r9dnv8df.fsf@meta.verbum.org>

>>>>> "hunter" == hunter  <hunter@owlriver.com> writes:


    hunter> Colin Walters <levanti@verbum.org> will make a
    hunter> presentation at the Columbus Perl-Mongers meeting as
    hunter> follows:

    hunter>   "Using Perl as an extension language"

    hunter> ... at their meeting, 3/9/2000, (Thurdsay) at Stauf's, --
    hunter> Grandview Avenue, between First and Third Avenues -- I
    hunter> think the time was 7pm local, but it is not immediately at
    hunter> hand.
  
    hunter> Based on material at:

    hunter>    http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~benedict/sign-up.txt

Just to clarify: Michael Benedict is doing the presentation on the
aforementioned script, and CGI.pm.  I will be talking about "Using
Perl as an extension language".

    hunter>    (no time listed there, either <frown>)

7:00pm.

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From levanti at verbum.org  Thu Mar  9 20:59:34 2000
From: levanti at verbum.org (Colin Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] today's meeting
Message-ID: <874saf5y3t.fsf@meta.verbum.org>

Well, it was a successful meeting.  I'm glad we actually managed to
meet!  We have tentatively scheduled to meet at the Fisher College of
Business, the first thursday of April.  ... M-x calendar ...  That's
April 6.  Parking has yet to be completely worked out.

Mike and I both handed out code.

You can get Mike's web script at
http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~benedict/sign-up.html  

You can get my GTK application with fun embedded perl interpreter at:

http://web.verbum.org/levanti/code/

I have a Debian GNU/Linux system; you might have to hack the includes
and whatnot in order to get it to compile on your machine.

Some fun things to try entering in the entry box:

5 + 10;
"yay " . "whee " . "fun"
$mytitle = "whee!";
set_title($mytitle);

$windows[0]; 
new_windows("fun title")
$windows[0]
@mywindows = split / /,"foo bar baz";
new_windows(@mywindows);
$windows[0]
$windows[1]
$windows[2]

   ( note how @windows dynamically changes as you add windows )

set_title("2 ** 10 = " . 2 ** 10); 

foreach my $window (qw(yay whee fun)) { new_windows($window); }

Please note that there is currently no way to free the memory
allocated by creating new windows except by exiting.  :) 

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From jalex+ at osu.edu  Thu Mar  9 21:19:01 2000
From: jalex+ at osu.edu (J Alex)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] today's meeting
References: <874saf5y3t.fsf@meta.verbum.org>
Message-ID: <38C869A5.CD596300@osu.edu>

Did we mention that everyone who comes to the meeting next time should
try to bring a one-liner of perl code!?  Like...an unacceptable answer,
because of it's lack of function would be:
perl -e "exit;"

=)

-Jason
Colin Walters wrote:
> 
> Well, it was a successful meeting.  I'm glad we actually managed to
> meet!  We have tentatively scheduled to meet at the Fisher College of
> Business, the first thursday of April.  ... M-x calendar ...  That's
> April 6.  Parking has yet to be completely worked out.
> 
> Mike and I both handed out code.
> 
> You can get Mike's web script at
> http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/~benedict/sign-up.html
> 
> You can get my GTK application with fun embedded perl interpreter at:
> 
> http://web.verbum.org/levanti/code/
> 
> I have a Debian GNU/Linux system; you might have to hack the includes
> and whatnot in order to get it to compile on your machine.

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From zosima at geocities.com  Thu Mar 23 22:41:53 2000
From: zosima at geocities.com (Michael Benedict)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting
Message-ID: <38DAF211.7829F7AA@geocities.com>

Okay, rumor has it that we are going to try to meet "at the Fisher
College of
Business, the first thursday of April.  ... M-x calendar ...  That's
April 6".  Are
we still on?   We need a room number :).  I can volunteer myself  to
present
again, I have found something extremely cool called perldl and I  think
I
could get familiar with it and give a presentation.  If you are anxious:
http://www.aao.gov.au/local/www/kgb/perldl/index.html.  So I guess we
will
need a another presenter, if you have some ideas sign up!  Lastly, I
hope you are
all keeping your one-liners in mind,  I already have 2!!
    peace,
        Mike

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From ronnie at catlover.com  Thu Mar 23 23:41:40 2000
From: ronnie at catlover.com (Ron Grabowski)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting
References: <38DAF211.7829F7AA@geocities.com>
Message-ID: <38DB0014.11AC1473@catlover.com>

> hope you are all keeping your one-liners in mind,  I already have 2!!

I don't want to point out the obvious, but a good idea for a
presentation would be something on the command line parameters for Perl.
This could lead into GetOpt. I AM NOT VOLUNTEERING. I know close to
nothing about what I just suggested.

perldoc perlrun

Going over some ( useful ) one-liners would be nice too:

perl -wlpe '}$_=$.;{' file  # Count the number of lines in a file

It would be nice to see some sort of 'I have read perldoc and I still
don't understand how this function works' section. For example,
explaining map() or grep() to people who don't use them. Explaining the
differences between || and 'and'. ( Or in my case ) explaining how to
use pack() and unpack() ( I have no clue! ).

Meeting another Perl hacker in person is a perfect opportunity to get
away from the sometimes nasty atmosphere of c.l.p.m and certain mailing
lists (
http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2000-03/msg00375.html
).

Oh, and someone should really ask Ilya Zakharevich to maybe give a talk
or attend a meeting. He is a math professor at OSU and has been doing
Perl for a long time ( 5+ years ). He's an active Perl-5-Porter and has
done a lot with the OS/2 port of Perl as well as general Perl patches (
he's credited with quite a few RE patches in 5.6 ). I've asked Perl
questions during his office hours :) and he really is a nice guy (
strong accent, but very smart! ). 

My two cents,
Ron
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From ronnie at catlover.com  Fri Mar 24 00:01:30 2000
From: ronnie at catlover.com (Ron Grabowski)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting
References: <38DAF211.7829F7AA@geocities.com>
Message-ID: <38DB04BA.F3DB4D23@catlover.com>

If anyone starts to play with 5.6 final, I wouldn't mind hearing some of
the changes. Like POSIX RE

print $1 if /([:char:])/;

Those of us lucky enough to be on Windows and lacking skills to compile
programs on our own have to wait till ActiveState releases their
build... :(
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From spp at spp.users.ds.net  Fri Mar 24 06:34:41 2000
From: spp at spp.users.ds.net (Stephen P. Potter)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 00:41:40 EST."
             <38DB0014.11AC1473@catlover.com> 
Message-ID: <200003241234.HAA19954@spp.users.ds.net>

Lightning flashed, thunder crashed and Ron Grabowski <ronnie@catlover.com> whis
pered:
| It would be nice to see some sort of 'I have read perldoc and I still
| don't understand how this function works' section. For example,
| explaining map() or grep() to people who don't use them. Explaining the
| differences between || and 'and'. ( Or in my case ) explaining how to
| use pack() and unpack() ( I have no clue! ).

How about we just have an open forum for questions?  I'll see if I can get
in touch with Ilya and get him to show up.  We've been telling each other
than we need to meet in person...

-spp
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From chaday at symix.com  Fri Mar 24 07:30:47 2000
From: chaday at symix.com (Charles Day)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting
Message-ID: <ADA279A216AFD211AD4000902732B733020D5744@cmhmail.symix.com>

I'm installing 5.6 today, along with the new mod_perl build 1.22 (not by
choice, I have some screwed up library files from DBD:ODBC)



-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Grabowski [mailto:ronnie@catlover.com]
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If anyone starts to play with 5.6 final, I wouldn't mind hearing some of
the changes. Like POSIX RE

print $1 if /([:char:])/;

Those of us lucky enough to be on Windows and lacking skills to compile
programs on our own have to wait till ActiveState releases their
build... :(
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From levanti at verbum.org  Fri Mar 24 17:35:59 2000
From: levanti at verbum.org (Colin Walters)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:01 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: Michael Benedict's message of "Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:41:53 +0000"
References: <38DAF211.7829F7AA@geocities.com>
Message-ID: <8766ucj600.fsf@meta.verbum.org>

>>>>> "Michael" == Michael Benedict <zosima@geocities.com> writes:

    Michael> Okay, rumor has it that we are going to try to meet "at
    Michael> the Fisher College of Business, the first thursday of
    Michael> April.  ... M-x calendar ...  That's April 6".  Are we
    Michael> still on?  We need a room number :).

Jason?  You're the man with the plan, I believe.  

    Michael> I can volunteer myself to present again, I have found
    Michael> something extremely cool called perldl and I think I
    Michael> could get familiar with it and give a presentation.  If
    Michael> you are anxious:
    Michael> http://www.aao.gov.au/local/www/kgb/perldl/index.html.

Wow.  Talk about a cool use of tie.  

-- 
Colin Walters <levanti@verbum.org>
http://web.verbum.org/levanti
(1024D/C207843A) A580 5AA1 0887 2032 7EFB  19F4 9776 6282 C207 843A
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From jalex+ at osu.edu  Fri Mar 24 17:37:01 2000
From: jalex+ at osu.edu (Jason Alexander)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:02 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting
References: <38DAF211.7829F7AA@geocities.com> <8766ucj600.fsf@meta.verbum.org>
Message-ID: <38DBFC1D.C15F8916@osu.edu>

Waiting on an answer from the Boss.  *shrug*
--Jason

Colin Walters wrote:

> >>>>> "Michael" == Michael Benedict <zosima@geocities.com> writes:
>
>     Michael> Okay, rumor has it that we are going to try to meet "at
>     Michael> the Fisher College of Business, the first thursday of
>     Michael> April.  ... M-x calendar ...  That's April 6".  Are we
>     Michael> still on?  We need a room number :).
>
> Jason?  You're the man with the plan, I believe.
>
>     Michael> I can volunteer myself to present again, I have found
>     Michael> something extremely cool called perldl and I think I
>     Michael> could get familiar with it and give a presentation.  If
>     Michael> you are anxious:
>     Michael> http://www.aao.gov.au/local/www/kgb/perldl/index.html.
>
> Wow.  Talk about a cool use of tie.
>
> --
> Colin Walters <levanti@verbum.org>
> http://web.verbum.org/levanti
> (1024D/C207843A) A580 5AA1 0887 2032 7EFB  19F4 9776 6282 C207 843A
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From weaver.299 at osu.edu  Sat Mar 25 05:38:32 2000
From: weaver.299 at osu.edu (Brian Weaver)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:02 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Newcomer
Message-ID: <001901bf964e$a6b10de0$97f4a8c0@conquest>

Hello.  I'm new to both Perl and this mailing list.  Could someone direct me
to information about the group?  Is there a link somewhere that I was
supposed to read that I just missed? :)

Brian


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From jalex+ at osu.edu  Sat Mar 25 09:27:17 2000
From: jalex+ at osu.edu (Jason Alexander)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:02 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Newcomer
References: <001901bf964e$a6b10de0$97f4a8c0@conquest>
Message-ID: <38DCDAD5.6D3FEAC7@osu.edu>

http://columbus.pm.org/

We may have a meeting on the 6th of April, and I am checking other options other
than The Business School as well.
--Jason

Brian Weaver wrote:

> Hello.  I'm new to both Perl and this mailing list.  Could someone direct me
> to information about the group?  Is there a link somewhere that I was
> supposed to read that I just missed? :)
>
> Brian
>
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From spp at spp.users.ds.net  Mon Mar 27 06:17:13 2000
From: spp at spp.users.ds.net (Stephen P. Potter)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:02 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] Next meeting
Message-ID: <200003271217.HAA22876@spp.users.ds.net>

I just heard back from Ilya.  He won't be able to make the April 6 meeting,
as he will be out of state at the time.  I'll keep trying to get him to
come to future meetings.

For fun, I'll see if I can get some samples from the Camel III, which is
due for release in or about July.

-spp
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From zosima at geocities.com  Wed Mar 29 19:20:00 2000
From: zosima at geocities.com (Michael Benedict)
Date: Thu Aug  5 00:00:02 2004
Subject: [columbus.pm] next meeting
References: <38DAF211.7829F7AA@geocities.com>
Message-ID: <38E2ABC0.7C3E1FD1@geocities.com>

Hello all,
    I hate to say this, but as things turn out I will not be able to
present or attend the next meeting.  I hope other people have cool
stuff.   Is it okay if I electronically submit my one-liners? *grin*.
Seriously, I am sorry I have to renege, and I hope that other  people have
cool stuff for yall.  Feel free to do a presentation on perldl, but if
noone does I will save mine for  the May meeting.
    peace,
        Mike

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