From lgrove at uga.edu Wed Feb 4 14:29:18 2004 From: lgrove at uga.edu (Leslie Grove) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:37 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling Message-ID: <4021561E.7060907@uga.edu> So, how does Thursday the 12th look? Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule meetings? -- Leslie Grove Computing Services UGA Law School (706) 542-5070 lgrove@uga.edu From darrell at golliher.net Wed Feb 4 14:48:51 2004 From: darrell at golliher.net (Darrell Golliher) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling In-Reply-To: <4021561E.7060907@uga.edu> References: <4021561E.7060907@uga.edu> Message-ID: <20040204204851.GB13452@golliher.net> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:29:18PM -0500, Leslie Grove wrote: > So, how does Thursday the 12th look? > Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule meetings? I called the library and since the room was available on the 12th I went ahead and reseved it for us. Hope that date works for everybody. -darrell From mdxi at collapsar.net Wed Feb 4 19:03:56 2004 From: mdxi at collapsar.net (Shawn Boyette) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling In-Reply-To: <20040204204851.GB13452@golliher.net> References: <4021561E.7060907@uga.edu> <20040204204851.GB13452@golliher.net> Message-ID: <20040205010356.GE497@fornax.collapsar.net> On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:48:51PM -0500, Darrell Golliher wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:29:18PM -0500, Leslie Grove wrote: > > So, how does Thursday the 12th look? > > Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule meetings? > > I called the library and since the room was available on the 12th I > went ahead and reseved it for us. Hope that date works for everybody. WorksForMe -- Shawn Boyette mdxi@collapsar.net From clmf8 at yahoo.com Sat Feb 7 22:58:25 2004 From: clmf8 at yahoo.com (Sam Feltus) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] Re: Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1 In-Reply-To: <200402051800.i15I0sS30911@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <20040208045825.86897.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Thursday would be excellent. Sam classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org wrote: Send Classiccity-pm mailing list submissions to classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at classiccity-pm-owner@mail.pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Classiccity-pm digest..." Today's Topics: 1. meeting scheduling (Leslie Grove) 2. Re: meeting scheduling (Darrell Golliher) 3. Re: meeting scheduling (Shawn Boyette) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 15:29:18 -0500 From: Leslie Grove Subject: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling To: classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org Message-ID: <4021561E.7060907@uga.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed So, how does Thursday the 12th look? Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule meetings? -- Leslie Grove Computing Services UGA Law School (706) 542-5070 lgrove@uga.edu ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:48:51 -0500 From: Darrell Golliher Subject: Re: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling To: "All purpose mailing list for Athens, Ga Perl Mongers" Message-ID: <20040204204851.GB13452@golliher.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:29:18PM -0500, Leslie Grove wrote: > So, how does Thursday the 12th look? > Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule meetings? I called the library and since the room was available on the 12th I went ahead and reseved it for us. Hope that date works for everybody. -darrell ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 20:03:56 -0500 From: Shawn Boyette Subject: Re: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling To: "All purpose mailing list for Athens, Ga Perl Mongers" Message-ID: <20040205010356.GE497@fornax.collapsar.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:48:51PM -0500, Darrell Golliher wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:29:18PM -0500, Leslie Grove wrote: > > So, how does Thursday the 12th look? > > Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule meetings? > > I called the library and since the room was available on the 12th I > went ahead and reseved it for us. Hope that date works for everybody. WorksForMe -- Shawn Boyette mdxi@collapsar.net ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Classiccity-pm mailing list Classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm End of Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 1 ******************************************** --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/classiccity-pm/attachments/20040207/5374dc9f/attachment.htm From avingram at charter.net Mon Feb 9 22:15:07 2004 From: avingram at charter.net (James) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling In-Reply-To: <20040204204851.GB13452@golliher.net> Message-ID: School's going to take all my time this month. Sorry. :( On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 03:48 PM, Darrell Golliher wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:29:18PM -0500, Leslie Grove wrote: >> So, how does Thursday the 12th look? >> Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule >> meetings? > > I called the library and since the room was available on the 12th I > went ahead and reseved it for us. Hope that date works for > everybody. > > -darrell > _______________________________________________ > Classiccity-pm mailing list > Classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm > From clmf8 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 10 12:25:17 2004 From: clmf8 at yahoo.com (Sam Feltus) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] Re: Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: <200402101800.i1AI0ld30170@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <20040210182518.39184.qmail@web12501.mail.yahoo.com> Oops, I forgot, going to see Oscar De Leon at Plaza Fiesta Thursday. Will make sure and make next meeting. Will bring Flash_Djinni.pm code demo Sam classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org wrote: Send Classiccity-pm mailing list submissions to classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at classiccity-pm-owner@mail.pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Classiccity-pm digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: meeting scheduling (James) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:15:07 -0500 From: James Subject: Re: [Classiccity-pm] meeting scheduling To: "All purpose mailing list for Athens, Ga Perl Mongers" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed School's going to take all my time this month. Sorry. :( On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 03:48 PM, Darrell Golliher wrote: > On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 03:29:18PM -0500, Leslie Grove wrote: >> So, how does Thursday the 12th look? >> Or, does someone have time to write a script to help us schedule >> meetings? > > I called the library and since the room was available on the 12th I > went ahead and reseved it for us. Hope that date works for > everybody. > > -darrell > _______________________________________________ > Classiccity-pm mailing list > Classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm > ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Classiccity-pm mailing list Classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm End of Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 3 ******************************************** --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/classiccity-pm/attachments/20040210/69d4cd83/attachment.htm From lgrove at uga.edu Wed Feb 11 10:07:38 2004 From: lgrove at uga.edu (Leslie Grove) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] meeting tomorrow Message-ID: <402A534A.7060908@uga.edu> If anyone wants to bring drinks and/or snacks to tomorrow's meeting, I have cups plates and napkins I can bring. (So we won't have to use O'Reilly coupons again.) -- Leslie Grove Computing Services UGA Law School (706) 542-5070 lgrove@uga.edu From mdxi at collapsar.net Wed Feb 11 17:52:55 2004 From: mdxi at collapsar.net (Shawn Boyette) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] meeting tomorrow In-Reply-To: <402A534A.7060908@uga.edu> References: <402A534A.7060908@uga.edu> Message-ID: <20040211235255.GD2383@fornax.collapsar.net> On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 11:07:38AM -0500, Leslie Grove wrote: > If anyone wants to bring drinks and/or snacks to tomorrow's meeting, I > have cups plates and napkins I can bring. (So we won't have to use > O'Reilly coupons again.) I'll *try* and remember to grab something. The meeting is at 1830, right? -- Shawn Boyette mdxi@collapsar.net From darrell at golliher.net Thu Feb 12 20:46:37 2004 From: darrell at golliher.net (Darrell Golliher) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] Hackday! Message-ID: <20040213024637.GA12023@golliher.net> I think we're overdue for a Hackday so I'm calling one for Feb. 28th. This self organizing phenomenon is at http://hackday.org. More details posted as they evolve. Hackday might need some explanation for the uninitiated. It is an all day all night event where people bring their computing gear and their projects to one place and get busy. Usually there is overcaffination and music and video saturation. Sometimes there is gaming though it's not designed as a regular gaming LAN party. It's about: * Hanging our with fellow tech/hobbist * Getting to those projects that you want to work on but keep putting off. * Seeing what projects others are working on. * Watching other people using their native environment and picking up general tips and tricks. I shouldn't have to tell this audience, but this is hacking in the positive creative sense. Issues up in the air: * Where to hold this hackday. My house is the default, but if you have a cool location please let us know at hackday.org * When the even starts. I'm thinking noon, but we'll agree on a time closer to the 28th. In the past this has been a heavily Linux slanted event, but I wouldn't mind throwing it open to our Windows and Macintosh friends so we can see what kind of projects they are up to. :) Please use the hackday.org website to post your hackday plans. Let us know that you are coming and what you are bringing to work on. It helps get us all into the spirt of things. Happy Hacking, Darrell Golliher From markh at markh.com Fri Feb 13 12:18:36 2004 From: markh at markh.com (Mark Hazen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] My segfault issue under mod_perl Message-ID: <20040213181836.GA19563@archon.thehazens.net> Talked to Andy Lester this morning, and he'd had the same problem I had with mod_perl (not TT2 specifically) segfaulting. Turns out it's a problem he got one of the other #perl regulars to get interested in figuring out with him: http://use.perl.org/~petdance/journal/14723 The crux: using mod_perl and mod_php at the same time can cause this to happen, due to a workaround in perl for putenv() functions in libc which suffered from memory leaks. From the above URL: "The malbehavior is caused by Perl's handling of the pointer to the process environment (usually accessed via the global variable environ). Some implementations of putenv(3) leak memory (or, to be fair, used to leak memory, but have been fixed), and perl has code that works around this. To do so, perl allocates its own memory for the environment, copies the original environment to the new memory block, frees the original pointer, and assigns the new pointer to environ. A call to PHP's putenv routine results in a call to the C library, which will use an internal pointer, one that points to memory that was already freed by perl, to reallocate memory for environ. This results in a segmentation fault." Solution is listed on the page as well, but involves recompiling perl, and therefore apache, php4, and all the perl modules. Fun! My solution: comment out the php4 segments, since I'm not using it. :) -mh. ---- . _+m"m+_"+_ Mark Hazen d' Jp qh qh Jp O O O Yb Yb dY dY O "Y5m2Y" " even the mightiest wave starts out as a ripple. "Y_ why make waves when it's easier to nurture ripples? From clmf8 at yahoo.com Fri Feb 13 20:55:59 2004 From: clmf8 at yahoo.com (Sam Feltus) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] Re: Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 In-Reply-To: <200402131801.i1DI16Q12099@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <20040214025559.56462.qmail@web12507.mail.yahoo.com> Count me in. I can help with food. Sam classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org wrote: Send Classiccity-pm mailing list submissions to classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at classiccity-pm-owner@mail.pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Classiccity-pm digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Hackday! (Darrell Golliher) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 21:46:37 -0500 From: Darrell Golliher Subject: [Classiccity-pm] Hackday! To: ugalinux@listserv.uga.edu Cc: classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org Message-ID: <20040213024637.GA12023@golliher.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I think we're overdue for a Hackday so I'm calling one for Feb. 28th. This self organizing phenomenon is at http://hackday.org. More details posted as they evolve. Hackday might need some explanation for the uninitiated. It is an all day all night event where people bring their computing gear and their projects to one place and get busy. Usually there is overcaffination and music and video saturation. Sometimes there is gaming though it's not designed as a regular gaming LAN party. It's about: * Hanging our with fellow tech/hobbist * Getting to those projects that you want to work on but keep putting off. * Seeing what projects others are working on. * Watching other people using their native environment and picking up general tips and tricks. I shouldn't have to tell this audience, but this is hacking in the positive creative sense. Issues up in the air: * Where to hold this hackday. My house is the default, but if you have a cool location please let us know at hackday.org * When the even starts. I'm thinking noon, but we'll agree on a time closer to the 28th. In the past this has been a heavily Linux slanted event, but I wouldn't mind throwing it open to our Windows and Macintosh friends so we can see what kind of projects they are up to. :) Please use the hackday.org website to post your hackday plans. Let us know that you are coming and what you are bringing to work on. It helps get us all into the spirt of things. Happy Hacking, Darrell Golliher ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Classiccity-pm mailing list Classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm End of Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 6 ******************************************** --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/classiccity-pm/attachments/20040213/277774db/attachment.htm From darrell at golliher.net Mon Feb 16 10:02:04 2004 From: darrell at golliher.net (Darrell Golliher) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] XML is too hard for programmers Message-ID: <20040216160204.GA8953@golliher.net> Saw this posted elsewhere and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject. I wondered if you guys have found XML nirvanna and care to share it with the rest of us.. http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/03/16/XML-Prog From cygnus at cprogrammer.org Mon Feb 16 10:02:56 2004 From: cygnus at cprogrammer.org (Jonathan Daugherty) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] XML is too hard for programmers In-Reply-To: <20040216160204.GA8953@golliher.net> References: <20040216160204.GA8953@golliher.net> Message-ID: <20040216160256.GA4228@mail.theserver.ath.cx> # Saw this posted elsewhere and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on # the subject. I wondered if you guys have found XML nirvanna and care # to share it with the rest of us.. # # http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/03/16/XML-Prog A good read. On occasion I get the bright idea to use XML as a basis for a config file or something. When I do, the first step is always deciding which parsing model to use -- event-driven or DOM-style -- and rarely does one or the other fit very well with the design of my program, chiefly because: 1) Event-driven parsing requires the implementation of a small handful of handlers for various parsing events, all of which will hopefully operate on some data structure. This is usually trivial, but depending on the implementation language this may be a really bad design choice. 2) DOM-style parsing generally results in a really nasty, difficult-to- use data structure. This is true for some APIs in Perl, Python, C, and C++. QT has what I think is the nicest C++ API, and some of the python modules are nice, too. The dom-style xml stuff I've done in perl always leaves me with an uneasy feeling. I always have to use Data::Dumper to figure out what the fuck is going on. One of the things about xml work that annoys me is that there are tons of different APIs for doing it, and most of them differ only by small degree. And some of them just make things more kludgy, like adding a new class or set of functions to operate on nodes in an XML tree, etc. On many occasions I have simply decided that using XML wasn't worth the effort, and I've gone with an X resource file or something similar. So I guess I don't have anything new to offer -- I'm just complaining since the article reminded me how much of a love-hate relationship I have with XML. -- Jonathan Daugherty http://www.cprogrammer.org "It's a book about a Spanish guy called Manual, you should read it." -- Dilbert From clmf8 at yahoo.com Mon Feb 16 14:00:24 2004 From: clmf8 at yahoo.com (Sam Feltus) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] Re: Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <200402161800.i1GI0Lh15755@mail.pm.org> Message-ID: <20040216200024.54864.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> I am suspicious in many cases XML is a Gross Violation of the KISS principle. This is an amateur observation, but seems Computer Programming is cursed with a Tower of Babel culture. Seems to me most XML documents could be replaced with the passing of a string or a text file. Sam the Gardener Peanut gallery opinion, :) classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org wrote: Send Classiccity-pm mailing list submissions to classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to classiccity-pm-request@mail.pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at classiccity-pm-owner@mail.pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Classiccity-pm digest..." Today's Topics: 1. XML is too hard for programmers (Darrell Golliher) 2. Re: XML is too hard for programmers (Jonathan Daugherty) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:02:04 -0500 From: Darrell Golliher Subject: [Classiccity-pm] XML is too hard for programmers To: classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org Message-ID: <20040216160204.GA8953@golliher.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Saw this posted elsewhere and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on the subject. I wondered if you guys have found XML nirvanna and care to share it with the rest of us.. http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/03/16/XML-Prog ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 11:02:56 -0500 From: Jonathan Daugherty Subject: Re: [Classiccity-pm] XML is too hard for programmers To: "All purpose mailing list for Athens, Ga Perl Mongers" Message-ID: <20040216160256.GA4228@mail.theserver.ath.cx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii # Saw this posted elsewhere and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on # the subject. I wondered if you guys have found XML nirvanna and care # to share it with the rest of us.. # # http://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/200x/2003/03/16/XML-Prog A good read. On occasion I get the bright idea to use XML as a basis for a config file or something. When I do, the first step is always deciding which parsing model to use -- event-driven or DOM-style -- and rarely does one or the other fit very well with the design of my program, chiefly because: 1) Event-driven parsing requires the implementation of a small handful of handlers for various parsing events, all of which will hopefully operate on some data structure. This is usually trivial, but depending on the implementation language this may be a really bad design choice. 2) DOM-style parsing generally results in a really nasty, difficult-to- use data structure. This is true for some APIs in Perl, Python, C, and C++. QT has what I think is the nicest C++ API, and some of the python modules are nice, too. The dom-style xml stuff I've done in perl always leaves me with an uneasy feeling. I always have to use Data::Dumper to figure out what the fuck is going on. One of the things about xml work that annoys me is that there are tons of different APIs for doing it, and most of them differ only by small degree. And some of them just make things more kludgy, like adding a new class or set of functions to operate on nodes in an XML tree, etc. On many occasions I have simply decided that using XML wasn't worth the effort, and I've gone with an X resource file or something similar. So I guess I don't have anything new to offer -- I'm just complaining since the article reminded me how much of a love-hate relationship I have with XML. -- Jonathan Daugherty http://www.cprogrammer.org "It's a book about a Spanish guy called Manual, you should read it." -- Dilbert ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Classiccity-pm mailing list Classiccity-pm@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/classiccity-pm End of Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 8 ******************************************** --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/classiccity-pm/attachments/20040216/9ab39c41/attachment.htm From cygnus at cprogrammer.org Mon Feb 16 13:48:14 2004 From: cygnus at cprogrammer.org (Jonathan Daugherty) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] Re: Classiccity-pm Digest, Vol 8, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: <20040216200024.54864.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <200402161800.i1GI0Lh15755@mail.pm.org> <20040216200024.54864.qmail@web12506.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040216194814.GA5272@mail.theserver.ath.cx> # Seems to me most XML documents could be replaced with the passing of a # string or a text file. I see this sort of response a lot ... and I'd like to think that we could revert to simpler methods of data layout. But stuff like XML evolves from a desire to find a better way to convey complicated / structured data in a way that isn't married to a specific type of program or even a specific set of data types. I don't think XML hits the nail on the head in some ways, but it can be better -- at least conceptually -- than a plain text file with various flaky syntax rules like tabs, spaces, and newlines. I opt for the Text File Way in some situations but I think XML, if for no other use than as a starting point, can be a good way to represent certain types of data. -- Jonathan Daugherty http://www.cprogrammer.org "It's a book about a Spanish guy called Manual, you should read it." -- Dilbert From mdxi at collapsar.net Mon Feb 16 18:38:18 2004 From: mdxi at collapsar.net (Shawn Boyette) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] XML is too hard for programmers In-Reply-To: <20040216160204.GA8953@golliher.net> References: <20040216160204.GA8953@golliher.net> Message-ID: <20040217003818.GC13687@fornax.collapsar.net> On Mon, Feb 16, 2004 at 11:02:04AM -0500, Darrell Golliher wrote: > > Saw this posted elsewhere and it pretty much sums up my thoughts on > the subject. I wondered if you guys have found XML nirvanna and care > to share it with the rest of us.. My feelings on XML: * XML is wonderful for what it was originally intended to be: a grammar for defining customized markup languages. * XML is also great at the obvious follow-on to this: being a data interchange language. Everybody can speak it! Whee! * The fact that you can use XML as a programming language is a neat hack. Cute. But I'd never want to *do* it. * XML EVERYWHERE is just as stupid an idea as JAVA EVERYWHERE or THE INTARWEB EVERYWHERE or even PERL EVERYWHERE. It's become one of those things which is great in and of itself and is spoiled by people evangelizing it and deciding to use it for things it was never really meant for (not unlike JavaScript or Flash) That's all I got. -- Shawn Boyette mdxi@collapsar.net From darrell at golliher.net Wed Feb 25 09:19:18 2004 From: darrell at golliher.net (Darrell Golliher) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:28:38 2004 Subject: [Classiccity-pm] YAPC::NA::2004 Registration Open! Message-ID: <20040225151918.GB9233@golliher.net> ----- Forwarded message from Kevin Christopher ----- Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 09:35:39 -0500 (EST) From: "Kevin Christopher" X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.10) To: Subject: [pm_groups] YAPC::NA::2004 Registration Open! Spread the word to all your members: Registration Is Now Open for YAPC::NA::2004! Registration at http://www.yapc.org/America/register.shtml Details on lodging are also available. Dorm info is in the works. Links at http://www.yapc.org/America/ Talk proposals are currently being accepted. Deadline for submissions is March 27, 2004: http://www.yapc.org/America/cfp.shtml Kevin Christopher Buffalo Perl Mongers, Host Group for YAPC::NA::2004 buffalo.pm.org