From shanleiguang at gmail.com Wed May 7 05:54:58 2008 From: shanleiguang at gmail.com (Shan Leiguang) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 20:54:58 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?5YaZ5LqG5Liq5qih5Z2XUHJldHR5OjpUYWJsZQ==?= =?utf-8?b?77yM6K+35aSn5a625rWL6K+V?= Message-ID: 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 =head1 Example use Pretty::Table; my $pt = Pretty::Table->new( data_type => 'row', #row mode data_format => 'ucfirst', #uppercase the first char if_multi_lines => 1, #enable multi-lines mode max_col_length => 10, #set max_col_length to 10 ); my $dr = [ ['id','name','sex','age','email'], #this is a row ['01','tommy','male',27], ['02','jarry','male',26], ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'], ]; $pt->set_data_ref($dr); $pt->set_title('Contacts'); $pt->set_align('left'); $pt->set_data_format('normal'); $pt->insert(['04','marry','female',26], 4); $pt->sort_by('name'); print $pt->output(); $pt->set_data_type('col'); #change to 'col' mode $pt->set_deco_cross('*'); $pt->set_if_has_title(0); print $pt->output(); =head1 Example Output +---------------------------------------------+ | Contacts | +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ | id | name | sex | age | email | +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ | 01 | tommy | male | 27 | | +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ | 03 | shanleigua | male | 26 | shanleigua | | | ng | | | ng at gmail.c | | | | | | om | +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ | 04 | marry | female | 26 | | +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* | id | 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* | name | tommy | jarry | shanleigua | marry | | | | | ng | | *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* | sex | male | male | male | female | *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* | age | 27 | 26 | 26 | 26 | *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* | email | | | shanleigua | | | | | | ng at gmail.c | | | | | | om | | *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Name: Pretty-0.2.tar.gz Type: application/x-gzip Size: 4489 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080507/de379e9a/attachment.gz From lamp.purl at gmail.com Wed May 7 07:04:58 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Wed, 07 May 2008 22:04:58 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?5YaZ5LqG5Liq5qih5Z2XUHJldHR5OjpUYWJsZQ==?= =?utf-8?b?77yM6K+35aSn5a625rWL6K+V?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1210169098.7182.0.camel@flatpan> 很酷的纵向列表哦 :D On 三, 2008-05-07 at 20:54 +0800, Shan Leiguang wrote: > 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于 > 生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 > > > > =head1 Example > > use Pretty::Table; > > my $pt = Pretty::Table->new( > data_type => 'row', #row mode > data_format => 'ucfirst', #uppercase the first char > if_multi_lines => 1, #enable multi-lines mode > max_col_length => 10, #set max_col_length to 10 > ); > > my $dr = [ > ['id','name','sex','age','email'], #this is a row > ['01','tommy','male',27], > ['02','jarry','male',26], > ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'], > ]; > > $pt->set_data_ref($dr); > $pt->set_title('Contacts'); > $pt->set_align('left'); > $pt->set_data_format('normal'); > $pt->insert(['04','marry','female',26], 4); > $pt->sort_by('name'); > print $pt->output(); > > $pt->set_data_type('col'); #change to 'col' mode > $pt->set_deco_cross('*'); > $pt->set_if_has_title(0); > print $pt->output(); > > =head1 Example Output > > +---------------------------------------------+ > | Contacts | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | id | name | sex | age | email | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 01 | tommy | male | 27 | | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 03 | shanleigua | male | 26 | shanleigua | > | | ng | | | ng at gmail.c | > | | | | | om | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 04 | marry | female | 26 | | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | id | 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | name | tommy | jarry | shanleigua | marry | > | | | | ng | | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | sex | male | male | male | female | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | age | 27 | 26 | 26 | 26 | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | email | | | shanleigua | | > | | | | ng at gmail.c | | > | | | | om | | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From bruce1914 at gmail.com Wed May 7 07:07:10 2008 From: bruce1914 at gmail.com (bruce cheng) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:07:10 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?0LTBy7j2xKO/6VByZXR0eTo6VGFibGWjrMfrtPM=?= =?gb2312?b?vNKy4srU?= In-Reply-To: <1210169098.7182.0.camel@flatpan> References: <1210169098.7182.0.camel@flatpan> Message-ID: <948834826C0244F88BB2112B24C09016@brucelaptop> 哈哈 ,文字版的SQL > -----Original Message----- > From: china-pm-bounces+bruce1914=gmail.com at pm.org [mailto:china-pm- > bounces+bruce1914=gmail.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of joe jiang > Sent: 2008年5月7日 22:05 > To: china-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [PerlChina] 写了个模块Pretty::Table,请大家测试 > > 很酷的纵向列表哦 :D > > On 三, 2008-05-07 at 20:54 +0800, Shan Leiguang wrote: > > 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于 > > 生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 > > > > > > > > =head1 Example > > > > use Pretty::Table; > > > > my $pt = Pretty::Table->new( > > data_type => 'row', #row mode > > data_format => 'ucfirst', #uppercase the first char > > if_multi_lines => 1, #enable multi-lines mode > > max_col_length => 10, #set max_col_length to 10 > > ); > > > > my $dr = [ > > ['id','name','sex','age','email'], #this is a row > > ['01','tommy','male',27], > > ['02','jarry','male',26], > > ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'], > > ]; > > > > $pt->set_data_ref($dr); > > $pt->set_title('Contacts'); > > $pt->set_align('left'); > > $pt->set_data_format('normal'); > > $pt->insert(['04','marry','female',26], 4); > > $pt->sort_by('name'); > > print $pt->output(); > > > > $pt->set_data_type('col'); #change to 'col' mode > > $pt->set_deco_cross('*'); > > $pt->set_if_has_title(0); > > print $pt->output(); > > > > =head1 Example Output > > > > +---------------------------------------------+ > > | Contacts | > > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > | id | name | sex | age | email | > > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > | 01 | tommy | male | 27 | | > > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | > > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > | 03 | shanleigua | male | 26 | shanleigua | > > | | ng | | | ng at gmail.c | > > | | | | | om | > > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > | 04 | marry | female | 26 | | > > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > | id | 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > | name | tommy | jarry | shanleigua | marry | > > | | | | ng | | > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > | sex | male | male | male | female | > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > | age | 27 | 26 | 26 | 26 | > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > | email | | | shanleigua | | > > | | | | ng at gmail.c | | > > | | | | om | | > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From robbiecn at gmail.com Wed May 7 07:38:42 2008 From: robbiecn at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?s8LRp8fb?=) Date: Wed, 7 May 2008 22:38:42 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?0LTBy7j2xKO/6VByZXR0eTo6VGFibGWjrMfrtPM=?= =?gb2312?b?vNKy4srU?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/5/7 Shan Leiguang : > > > 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 作者的创意很好,有意思,测试了一下,test.pl 没有任何输出,修改了一下有输出, 但有问题,在我的环境下 1. 运行包中自带的test.pl $ perl test.pl 输出ok的断言,没有表格,很奇怪 1..7 # Running under perl version 5.008008 for linux # Current time local: Wed May 7 22:28:51 2008 # Current time GMT: Wed May 7 14:28:51 2008 # Using Test.pm version 1.25 ok 1 ok 2 ok 3 ok 4 ok 5 ok 6 ok 7 2. 运行Pretty/Table.pm中的example,有输出两个表格 +-----------------------------------+ | Contacts | +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ | id | name | sex | age | email | +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ | 04 | marry | female | 26 | | +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ | 01 | tommy | male | 27 | | +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* | id | 02 | 02 | 04 | 01 | *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* | name | jarry | jarry | marry | tommy | *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* | sex | male | male | female | male | *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* | age | 26 | 26 | 26 | 27 | *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* | email | | | | | *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* 一个横排,一个竖排,但有问题,明明表格数据是 my $dr = [ ['id','name','sex','age','email'], #this is a row ['01','tommy','male',27], ['02','jarry','male',26], ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'], ]; shanleiguang这行却没有了,出现两行jarry,是不是 $pt->insert(['04','marry','female',26], 4); 这个插入接口有问题阿? 另外, ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'],这个测试数据 有印刷错误,第3列因为性别,而不是年龄.:) 3.我把性别用中文"男"字替换时,排版就不整齐了. 作者的idea不错,谢谢分享:) -- /* *@author: chen xueqin *@email: robbiecn at gmail.com *@see: http://robbie.bokee.com *@see: http://groups.google.com/group/fzlug *@love: freedom,tux,open source */ From yang.liana at gmail.com Wed May 7 19:53:07 2008 From: yang.liana at gmail.com (rorot) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 10:53:07 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?0LTBy7j2xKO/6VByZXR0eTo6VGFibGWjrMfrtPM=?= =?gb2312?b?vNKy4srU?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3aac2b3b0805071953y4248a5bfjaaee9bdd17fbdec5@mail.gmail.com> :)顶一个先。 2008/5/7 陈学芹 : > 2008/5/7 Shan Leiguang : > > > > > > 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 > > 作者的创意很好,有意思,测试了一下,test.pl 没有任何输出,修改了一下有输出, > 但有问题,在我的环境下 > > 1. 运行包中自带的test.pl > $ perl test.pl > 输出ok的断言,没有表格,很奇怪 > 1..7 > # Running under perl version 5.008008 for linux > # Current time local: Wed May 7 22:28:51 2008 > # Current time GMT: Wed May 7 14:28:51 2008 > # Using Test.pm version 1.25 > ok 1 > ok 2 > ok 3 > ok 4 > ok 5 > ok 6 > ok 7 > > 2. 运行Pretty/Table.pm中的example,有输出两个表格 > +-----------------------------------+ > | Contacts | > +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ > | id | name | sex | age | email | > +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ > | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | > +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ > | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | > +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ > | 04 | marry | female | 26 | | > +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ > | 01 | tommy | male | 27 | | > +----+-------+--------+-----+-------+ > *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* > | id | 02 | 02 | 04 | 01 | > *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* > | name | jarry | jarry | marry | tommy | > *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* > | sex | male | male | female | male | > *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* > | age | 26 | 26 | 26 | 27 | > *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* > | email | | | | | > *-------*-------*-------*--------*-------* > > 一个横排,一个竖排,但有问题,明明表格数据是 > my $dr = [ > ['id','name','sex','age','email'], #this is a row > ['01','tommy','male',27], > ['02','jarry','male',26], > ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'], > ]; > > shanleiguang这行却没有了,出现两行jarry,是不是 > $pt->insert(['04','marry','female',26], 4); > 这个插入接口有问题阿? 另外, > ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'],这个测试数据 > 有印刷错误,第3列因为性别,而不是年龄.:) > > 3.我把性别用中文"男"字替换时,排版就不整齐了. > > 作者的idea不错,谢谢分享:) > > > -- > /* > *@author: chen xueqin > *@email: robbiecn at gmail.com > *@see: http://robbie.bokee.com > *@see: http://groups.google.com/group/fzlug > *@love: freedom,tux,open source > */ > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080508/44250f04/attachment.html From robbiecn at gmail.com Wed May 7 20:16:13 2008 From: robbiecn at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?s8LRp8fb?=) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 11:16:13 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?0LTBy7j2xKO/6VByZXR0eTo6VGFibGWjrMfrtPM=?= =?gb2312?b?vNKy4srU?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 2008/5/7 陈学芹 : > 2008/5/7 Shan Leiguang : > > > > > > 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 > > 作者的创意很好,有意思,测试了一下,test.pl 没有任何输出,修改了一下有输出, > 但有问题,在我的环境下 不好意思,忘记报告我的环境了 * 发行版本: Ubuntu 8.04 x86 * 内核: 2.6.24-16.30 * Perl: 5.8.8-12 -- /* *@author: chen xueqin *@email: robbiecn at gmail.com *@see: http://robbie.bokee.com *@see: http://groups.google.com/group/fzlug *@love: freedom,tux,open source */ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080508/824888bc/attachment.html From formalin14 at gmail.com Wed May 7 21:35:01 2008 From: formalin14 at gmail.com (Achilles Xu) Date: Thu, 8 May 2008 12:35:01 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?0LTBy7j2xKO/6VByZXR0eTo6VGFibGWjrMfrtPM=?= =?gb2312?b?vNKy4srU?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4a6c0ba80805072135j51e88bbq98ea92741392cba8@mail.gmail.com> 是不是跟format的功能重复了? 在08-5-8,陈学芹 写道: > > > > 2008/5/7 陈学芹 : > > > 2008/5/7 Shan Leiguang : > > > > > > > > > > > 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 > > > > > > 作者的创意很好,有意思,测试了一下,test.pl 没有任何输出,修改了一下有输出, > > 但有问题,在我的环境下 > > 不好意思,忘记报告我的环境了 > * 发行版本: Ubuntu 8.04 x86 > * 内核: 2.6.24-16.30 > * Perl: 5.8.8-12 > > > -- > /* > *@author: chen xueqin > *@email: robbiecn at gmail.com > *@see: http://robbie.bokee.com > *@see: http://groups.google.com/group/fzlug > *@love: freedom,tux,open source > */ > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -- --------------------------- Achilles Xu http://www.lostcode.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080508/e474154e/attachment.html From aylazh at gmail.com Fri May 9 07:13:50 2008 From: aylazh at gmail.com (zhang ayla) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 22:13:50 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?0LTBy7j2xKO/6VByZXR0eTo6VGFibGWjrMfrtPM=?= =?gb2312?b?vNKy4srU?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7af8ebcc0805090713n67c1edaal33b245cf3b67dc35@mail.gmail.com> 学习! 在08-5-7,Shan Leiguang 写道: > > 写了个模块Pretty::Table,可以打印比较漂亮的格式对齐的文本表格,可用于生成文本报表或日志文件,请大家测试,欢迎反馈你的意见和建议。 > > > =head1 Example > > use Pretty::Table; > > my $pt = Pretty::Table->new( > data_type => 'row', #row mode > data_format => 'ucfirst', #uppercase the first char > if_multi_lines => 1, #enable multi-lines mode > max_col_length => 10, #set max_col_length to 10 > ); > > my $dr = [ > ['id','name','sex','age','email'], #this is a row > ['01','tommy','male',27], > ['02','jarry','male',26], > ['03','shanleiguang',26,'shanleiguang at gmail.com'], > ]; > > $pt->set_data_ref($dr); > $pt->set_title('Contacts'); > $pt->set_align('left'); > $pt->set_data_format('normal'); > $pt->insert(['04','marry','female',26], 4); > $pt->sort_by('name'); > print $pt->output(); > > $pt->set_data_type('col'); #change to 'col' mode > $pt->set_deco_cross('*'); > $pt->set_if_has_title(0); > print $pt->output(); > > =head1 Example Output > > +---------------------------------------------+ > | Contacts | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | id | name | sex | age | email | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 01 | tommy | male | 27 | | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 02 | jarry | male | 26 | | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 03 | shanleigua | male | 26 | shanleigua | > | | ng | | | ng at gmail.c | > | | | | | om | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > | 04 | marry | female | 26 | | > +----+------------+--------+-----+------------+ > > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | id | 01 | 02 | 03 | 04 | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | name | tommy | jarry | shanleigua | marry | > | | | | ng | | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | sex | male | male | male | female | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | age | 27 | 26 | 26 | 26 | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > | email | | | shanleigua | | > | | | | ng at gmail.c | | > | | | | om | | > *-------*-------*-------*------------*--------* > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080509/70116b23/attachment.html From yang.liana at gmail.com Sun May 11 20:22:19 2008 From: yang.liana at gmail.com (rorot) Date: Mon, 12 May 2008 11:22:19 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?SFRNTDo6VHJlZUJ1aWxkZXK1xGVuY29kZc7KzOI=?= Message-ID: <3aac2b3b0805112022o11771693m569a424a0c442841@mail.gmail.com> 大家好。 有个HTML::DOM, HTML::TreeBuilder问题,一直没有很好的解决。 就是当  , >, < 等字符出现在HTML内容里时,HTML::DOM模块似乎并不能很好的解析,比如:

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出现时. 用HTML::DOM::as_text打印出来的p的文本里'&'符号被(encoding/decoding?)处理成乱码了。 如何处理这种情况呢? 当然,可以在parse之前就先把$content =~ s,\ , ,g 来处理。但是我想知道DOM::HTML就无法解决这个问题吗? 谢谢! rorot -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080512/92146465/attachment.html From myperl2008 at gmail.com Sun May 18 07:10:34 2008 From: myperl2008 at gmail.com (perl perl) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 22:10:34 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?vfS8sdTaz9/H877Io6y198rUwcu63L7Dtry5/bK7?= =?gb2312?b?yKW52NPadW5wYWNrICJOTi8ody9hTiki?= Message-ID: <963d02920805180710l121e87cfwd801df91248f988b@mail.gmail.com> Hi, 蔡鸟遇到一个问题,请求指点: my ($count, @unpack) = unpack "NN/(w/aN)", read_file("$directory/sgments"); 这个unpack总是报错说 '/' must fillow a numeric type in unpack,为什么会出错呢? NN是网络字节,w是压缩字节,a是字符串,如果w/aN中间没有"/"就可以通过,但是unpack的数据就不对了。我的测试是在winxp+acticeperl 5.8下作的,请求帮助,谢谢. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080518/ac2054d1/attachment.html From lamp.purl at gmail.com Sun May 18 18:44:35 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:44:35 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?57Sn5oCl5Zyo57q/5rGC5pWR77yM6LCD6K+V5LqG?= =?utf-8?b?5b6I5LmF6YO96L+H5LiN5Y675YWz5LqOdW5wYWNrIAkiTk4vKHcvYU4p?= =?utf-8?q?=22?= In-Reply-To: <963d02920805180710l121e87cfwd801df91248f988b@mail.gmail.com> References: <963d02920805180710l121e87cfwd801df91248f988b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211161475.5588.0.camel@flatpan> perldoc perldiag: ’/’ must follow a numeric type in unpack (F) You had an unpack template that contained a ’/’, but this did not follow some unpack specification producing a numeric value. See "pack" in perlfunc. On 日, 2008-05-18 at 22:10 +0800, perl perl wrote: > Hi, > 蔡鸟遇到一个问题,请求指点: > my ($count, @unpack) = unpack "NN/(w/aN)", > read_file("$directory/sgments"); > 这个unpack总是报错说 '/' must fillow a numeric type in unpack,为什么会 > 出错呢? > NN是网络字节,w是压缩字节,a是字符串,如果w/aN中间没有"/"就可以通过, > 但是unpack的数据就不对了。我的测试是在winxp+acticeperl 5.8下作的,请求 > 帮助,谢谢. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From lamp.purl at gmail.com Sun May 18 18:48:10 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:48:10 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?57Sn5oCl5Zyo57q/5rGC5pWR77yM6LCD6K+V5LqG?= =?utf-8?b?5b6I5LmF6YO96L+H5LiN5Y675YWz5LqOdW5wYWNrIAkiTk4vKHcvYU4p?= =?utf-8?q?=22?= In-Reply-To: <963d02920805180710l121e87cfwd801df91248f988b@mail.gmail.com> References: <963d02920805180710l121e87cfwd801df91248f988b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211161690.5588.3.camel@flatpan> w: A BER compressed integer (128 based) 你确定要用这样类型的整数来描述数据长度么? On 日, 2008-05-18 at 22:10 +0800, perl perl wrote: > Hi, > 蔡鸟遇到一个问题,请求指点: > my ($count, @unpack) = unpack "NN/(w/aN)", > read_file("$directory/sgments"); > 这个unpack总是报错说 '/' must fillow a numeric type in unpack,为什么会 > 出错呢? > NN是网络字节,w是压缩字节,a是字符串,如果w/aN中间没有"/"就可以通过, > 但是unpack的数据就不对了。我的测试是在winxp+acticeperl 5.8下作的,请求 > 帮助,谢谢. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From cnhacktnt at gmail.com Sun May 18 18:52:20 2008 From: cnhacktnt at gmail.com (cnhack TNT) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 09:52:20 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?vfS8sdTaz9/H877Io6y198rUwcu63L7Dtry5/bK7?= =?gb2312?b?yKW52NPadW5wYWNrICJOTi8ody9hTiki?= In-Reply-To: <1211161690.5588.3.camel@flatpan> References: <963d02920805180710l121e87cfwd801df91248f988b@mail.gmail.com> <1211161690.5588.3.camel@flatpan> Message-ID: Myperl2008 能不能给个数据做测试?有必要的话请附上说明和期望结果。 2008/5/19 joe jiang : > w: A BER compressed integer (128 based) > 你确定要用这样类型的整数来描述数据长度么? > On 日, 2008-05-18 at 22:10 +0800, perl perl wrote: > > Hi, > > 蔡鸟遇到一个问题,请求指点: > > my ($count, @unpack) = unpack "NN/(w/aN)", > > read_file("$directory/sgments"); > > 这个unpack总是报错说 '/' must fillow a numeric type in unpack,为什么会 > > 出错呢? > > NN是网络字节,w是压缩字节,a是字符串,如果w/aN中间没有"/"就可以通过, > > 但是unpack的数据就不对了。我的测试是在winxp+acticeperl 5.8下作的,请求 > > 帮助,谢谢. > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080519/d6a416ad/attachment.html From wanmyome at gmail.com Mon May 19 20:01:36 2008 From: wanmyome at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?5LiH5pyd5Lyf?=) Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 11:01:36 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?cGVybGNoaW5hLm9yZ+Wfn+WQjeWcqOiwgeaJiw==?= =?utf-8?b?6YeM77yM6bq754Om5YaN6K6+572u5LiA5LiL?= Message-ID: <9ff89e80805192001j26c012c0s5b1faa9fe4af72e2@mail.gmail.com> 由于更换机房,bbs.perlchina.org的ip地址改变,域名在哪位兄弟手里,麻烦设置一下 新的ip地址是: 222.73.42.41 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080520/7b66c775/attachment.html From barretz at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:10:55 2008 From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:10:55 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= Message-ID: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? -- Gmail - I love this G. From fengpxu at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:19:56 2008 From: fengpxu at gmail.com (fengpxu fengpxu) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:19:56 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <591381660805212019mc5f9fbbk7cbde814d2577225@mail.gmail.com> 使用了这么久perl真害怕他没落下去。越是宏伟的目标,往往越难以实现。 2008/5/22 Barret : > 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/c3de316a/attachment.html From lamp.purl at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:14:07 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (purl lamp) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:14:07 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D 2008/5/22 Barret : > 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/dd82dbca/attachment.html From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:24:29 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:24:29 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> 举个例子说吧。。。 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > > perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > 2008/5/22 Barret : > >> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 >> >> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python >> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? >> >> -- >> Gmail - I love this G. >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/55e4060e/attachment.html From lamp.purl at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:31:26 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:31:26 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211427086.8558.4.camel@flatpan> 有人喜欢代码塞满邮箱么?还是喜欢每天有练习的收获呢? 既然是内心喜欢的东西,就不要看重外在的体面。 On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:24 +0800, katkat lim wrote: > 举个例子说吧。。。 > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的 > 邮件几天不见一封。 > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > 2008/5/22 Barret : > 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉 > 热闹程度不成比例。 > > > 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧? > 大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢? > python > 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:34:17 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:34:17 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <1211427086.8558.4.camel@flatpan> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <1211427086.8558.4.camel@flatpan> Message-ID: <348febc10805212034h7d3e68abg17b3b1b4d2dfb4e2@mail.gmail.com> 我没那个意思,我举这个例子是想说明书,CPUG的讨论的确要比perlchina热闹多了。 On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: > > 有人喜欢代码塞满邮箱么?还是喜欢每天有练习的收获呢? > 既然是内心喜欢的东西,就不要看重外在的体面。 > > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:24 +0800, katkat lim wrote: > > 举个例子说吧。。。 > > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的 > > 邮件几天不见一封。 > > > > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > > perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > > > 2008/5/22 Barret : > > 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉 > > 热闹程度不成比例。 > > > > > > 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧? > > 大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢? > > python > > 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > > > -- > > Gmail - I love this G. > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/380c3c5c/attachment-0001.html From truncatei at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:34:21 2008 From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:34:21 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Perl.org 一直看起来冷冷清清的,这应该也是Perl文化的一部分吧 On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From barretz at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:39:32 2008 From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:39:32 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do it. :) 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > 举个例子说吧。。。 > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: >> >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D >> >> 2008/5/22 Barret : >>> >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 >>> >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? >>> >>> -- >>> Gmail - I love this G. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> China-pm mailing list >>> China-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -- Gmail - I love this G. From fengpxu at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:39:50 2008 From: fengpxu at gmail.com (fengpxu fengpxu) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:39:50 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> 冷冷清清也是一种文化 ?我不敢苟同。如果在这样冷清下去,文化就消失了! 2008/5/22 truncatei : > Perl.org 一直看起来冷冷清清的,这应该也是Perl文化的一部分吧 > > On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > > 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > > > 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > > 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > > > -- > > Gmail - I love this G. > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/d2979ed0/attachment.html From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:45:00 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:45:00 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 而Python则不用。。。 On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > > 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do it. > :) > > 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 > perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? > > 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > > 举个例子说吧。。。 > > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 > > > > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > >> > >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > >> > >> 2008/5/22 Barret : > >>> > >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > >>> > >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Gmail - I love this G. > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> China-pm mailing list > >>> China-pm at pm.org > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> China-pm mailing list > >> China-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/944240cb/attachment.html From barretz at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:45:41 2008 From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:45:41 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> 刚查了字典应该是 vaporware 而不是 bubbleware 。 -_-b ~~~~不好意思…… http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaporware 2008/5/22 fengpxu fengpxu : > 冷冷清清也是一种文化 ?我不敢苟同。如果在这样冷清下去,文化就消失了! > > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : >> >> Perl.org 一直看起来冷冷清清的,这应该也是Perl文化的一部分吧 >> >> On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: >> > 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 >> > >> > 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python >> > 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? >> > >> > -- >> > Gmail - I love this G. >> > _______________________________________________ >> > China-pm mailing list >> > China-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -- Gmail - I love this G. From truncatei at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:47:09 2008 From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:47:09 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 From barretz at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:48:34 2008 From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:48:34 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3629857d0805212048i687799c3v38923aed8924e581@mail.gmail.com> 套用《大话西游》菩提老祖的话讲:"这个 Larry Wall 一定欠了 shhg 很多钱。"。 :) 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 > 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 > 而Python则不用。。。 > > > On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: >> >> 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do >> it. :) >> >> 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 >> perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? >> >> 2008/5/22 katkat lim : >> > 举个例子说吧。。。 >> > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 >> > >> > >> > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: >> >> >> >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D >> >> >> >> 2008/5/22 Barret : >> >>> >> >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 >> >>> >> >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python >> >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Gmail - I love this G. >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> China-pm mailing list >> >>> China-pm at pm.org >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> China-pm mailing list >> >> China-pm at pm.org >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > China-pm mailing list >> > China-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Gmail - I love this G. >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -- Gmail - I love this G. From barretz at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:52:25 2008 From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:52:25 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> 我的观点主要是: 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp 可以玩。 请各位大大发表一下看法…… 2008/5/22 truncatei : > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -- Gmail - I love this G. From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 20:56:43 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:56:43 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805212056t2863c2a5y8f518e5423e9f12e@mail.gmail.com> 相比于Python的频频更新来说,Perl实在是寂静得太久了。 而且我觉得有一小部份玩Perl的,尤其是在Unix上玩Perl的,特别是在CU上面那些在Unix上玩perl的人都会有点那个.... 当然我不是针对大家,只是针对某极个别很少很少的人。 On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > > 我的观点主要是: > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp 可以玩。 > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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> > > > 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > > > 举个例子说吧。。。 > > > > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 > > > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > > >> > > >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > >> > > >> 2008/5/22 Barret : > > >>> > > >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > >>> > > >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > > >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> Gmail - I love this G. > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> China-pm mailing list > > >>> China-pm at pm.org > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> China-pm mailing list > > >> China-pm at pm.org > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Gmail - I love this G. > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > From lamp.purl at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:11:38 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:11:38 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> 1.非常同意你的观点,perl 的第一个字 P 是 practical 的意思,因此学习必须 多 PR. 2.除了前三天的默哀时间,我在公交上、地铁里也找不到什么人用 PSP 看书的, 大都是埋头玩的不亦乐乎。 On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: > 我的观点主要是: > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp 可以玩。 > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From cnhacktnt at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:17:27 2008 From: cnhacktnt at gmail.com (cnhack TNT) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:17:27 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 相比活跃的台湾,日本 Perl 群体,国内的 Perl 群体不够强,这是事实。国内大多数使用Perl的人只是用它来写一些小脚本辅助系统管理,小任务什么的。 不过 Perl 和 Python 都有相当活跃的国际社群,所以可以多逛逛国际社群 :-) perlmonks.org 绝对是个好去处。 另外每年的 YAPC 会议都会有很多 Perl 的好东西分享,比如刚刚结束不久的 YAPC::Asia 2008 - http://conferences.yapcasia.org/ya2008/ Perl, Python, Ruby 等都是很有意思的东西,萝卜白菜各有所爱,没必要吵哪个更好,只有最适合自己的或者自己最喜欢的 :-) 2008/5/22 truncatei : > 刚搜了一下不知道你说的是不是CSDN的这篇 > http://topic.csdn.net/t/20051223/14/4477508.html > > > > > On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > > 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 > > > 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 > > 而Python则不用。。。 > > > > > > On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > > > 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do > > it. :) > > > > > > 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 > > > perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? > > > > > > 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > > > > 举个例子说吧。。。 > > > > > > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > > > >> > > > >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > > >> > > > >> 2008/5/22 Barret : > > > >>> > > > >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > > >>> > > > >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python > 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > > > >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Gmail - I love this G. > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> China-pm mailing list > > > >>> China-pm at pm.org > > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> China-pm mailing list > > > >> China-pm at pm.org > > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > China-pm mailing list > > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gmail - I love this G. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/2c9f0f25/attachment-0001.html From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:18:27 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:18:27 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> Message-ID: <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> 真想看书的,应该拿着一本书看啊。。。。 看电子版的《Perl语言入门》看半天看不下去,于是买了纸版的,两天看完。。。 On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: > > 1.非常同意你的观点,perl 的第一个字 P 是 practical 的意思,因此学习必须 > 多 PR. > 2.除了前三天的默哀时间,我在公交上、地铁里也找不到什么人用 PSP 看书的, > 大都是埋头玩的不亦乐乎。 > > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: > > 我的观点主要是: > > > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 > > > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp 可以玩。 > > > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… > > > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : > > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > -- > > Gmail - I love this G. > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/57378d1e/attachment.html From truncatei at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:20:36 2008 From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:20:36 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 找那本1000页的Perl编程来看,能两天看完的都是神仙 :-) On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > 真想看书的,应该拿着一本书看啊。。。。 > 看电子版的《Perl语言入门》看半天看不下去,于是买了纸版的,两天看完。。。 > > > On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: > > 1.非常同意你的观点,perl 的第一个字 P 是 practical 的意思,因此学习必须 > > 多 PR. > > 2.除了前三天的默哀时间,我在公交上、地铁里也找不到什么人用 PSP 看书的, > > 大都是埋头玩的不亦乐乎。 > > > > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: > > > 我的观点主要是: > > > > > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 > > > > > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp > 可以玩。 > > > > > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… > > > > > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : > > > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > China-pm mailing list > > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gmail - I love this G. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:22:05 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:22:05 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805212122i2df7a639o71fb83ac0d5ac58c@mail.gmail.com> 不是这一篇,这篇只能算是"后记",真正有趣的是前一篇,正在找…… On 5/22/08, truncatei wrote: > > 刚搜了一下不知道你说的是不是CSDN的这篇 > http://topic.csdn.net/t/20051223/14/4477508.html > > > > > On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > > 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 > > > 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 > > 而Python则不用。。。 > > > > > > On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > > > 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do > > it. :) > > > > > > 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 > > > perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? > > > > > > 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > > > > 举个例子说吧。。。 > > > > > > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > > > >> > > > >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > > >> > > > >> 2008/5/22 Barret : > > > >>> > > > >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > > >>> > > > >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python > 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > > > >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Gmail - I love this G. > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> China-pm mailing list > > > >>> China-pm at pm.org > > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> China-pm mailing list > > > >> China-pm at pm.org > > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > China-pm mailing list > > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gmail - I love this G. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/09d86108/attachment.html From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:24:53 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:24:53 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805212122i2df7a639o71fb83ac0d5ac58c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212122i2df7a639o71fb83ac0d5ac58c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805212124j5d8861f2m4f57d03010f7841c@mail.gmail.com> 原来我把名字记错了,原名是:《我为什么讨厌Perl》 http://topic.csdn.net/t/20060108/04/4503932.html 《邪教》是写在这个之后的。 On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > > 不是这一篇,这篇只能算是"后记",真正有趣的是前一篇,正在找…… > > On 5/22/08, truncatei wrote: >> >> 刚搜了一下不知道你说的是不是CSDN的这篇 >> http://topic.csdn.net/t/20051223/14/4477508.html >> >> >> >> >> On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: >> > 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 >> > >> 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 >> > 而Python则不用。。。 >> > >> > >> > On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: >> > > 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to >> do >> > it. :) >> > > >> > > 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 >> > > perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? >> > > >> > > 2008/5/22 katkat lim : >> > > > 举个例子说吧。。。 >> > > > >> > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: >> > > >> >> > > >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D >> > > >> >> > > >> 2008/5/22 Barret : >> > > >>> >> > > >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 >> > > >>> >> > > >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python >> 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python >> > > >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? >> > > >>> >> > > >>> -- >> > > >>> Gmail - I love this G. >> > > >>> _______________________________________________ >> > > >>> China-pm mailing list >> > > >>> China-pm at pm.org >> > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > >> >> > > >> _______________________________________________ >> > > >> China-pm mailing list >> > > >> China-pm at pm.org >> > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > China-pm mailing list >> > > > China-pm at pm.org >> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Gmail - I love this G. >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > China-pm mailing list >> > > China-pm at pm.org >> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > China-pm mailing list >> > China-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/f5295a03/attachment-0001.html From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:26:53 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:26:53 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805212126j3be4f32cj50621391d8552eb2@mail.gmail.com> 那本真是太硬了,拿着电子版的啃半天啃不下去。 可惜找不到纸的了。 :) 居然还在校图书馆的书店里找到一本《Develop Bioinformatics Computer Skills》,还是中译本的。 没想到我们学校居然还会有这么"前卫"的书。 On 5/22/08, truncatei wrote: > > 找那本1000页的Perl编程来看,能两天看完的都是神仙 :-) > > On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > > 真想看书的,应该拿着一本书看啊。。。。 > > 看电子版的《Perl语言入门》看半天看不下去,于是买了纸版的,两天看完。。。 > > > > > > On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: > > > 1.非常同意你的观点,perl 的第一个字 P 是 practical 的意思,因此学习必须 > > > 多 PR. > > > 2.除了前三天的默哀时间,我在公交上、地铁里也找不到什么人用 PSP 看书的, > > > 大都是埋头玩的不亦乐乎。 > > > > > > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: > > > > 我的观点主要是: > > > > > > > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 > > > > > > > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp > > 可以玩。 > > > > > > > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… > > > > > > > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : > > > > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > China-pm mailing list > > > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Gmail - I love this G. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > China-pm mailing list > > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/0d24430b/attachment.html From lamp.purl at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:27:48 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:27:48 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211430468.10061.2.camel@flatpan> http://docs.google.com/Presentation?id=df26q2xp_103fq8qmgz sorry, 因为 maillist 附件限额的原因, 用 dont do evil 的 google 发布被人说为 evil 的 perl slides, perl do optimize my english, use english please! On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:57 +0800, truncatei wrote: > 刚搜了一下不知道你说的是不是CSDN的这篇 > http://topic.csdn.net/t/20051223/14/4477508.html > > > > > On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > > 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 > > 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 > > 而Python则不用。。。 > > > > > > On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > > > 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do > > it. :) > > > > > > 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 > > > perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? > > > > > > 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > > > > 举个例子说吧。。。 > > > > > > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > > > >> > > > >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > > >> > > > >> 2008/5/22 Barret : > > > >>> > > > >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > > >>> > > > >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > > > >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Gmail - I love this G. > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> China-pm mailing list > > > >>> China-pm at pm.org > > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> China-pm mailing list > > > >> China-pm at pm.org > > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > China-pm mailing list > > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gmail - I love this G. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From limkatkat at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:28:22 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:28:22 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805212126j3be4f32cj50621391d8552eb2@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212126j3be4f32cj50621391d8552eb2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805212128p5465796el1e01ab29f28cf1cf@mail.gmail.com> CSDN上面那个帖子,吵架口水的不算,的确能学到点东西。 On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > > 那本真是太硬了,拿着电子版的啃半天啃不下去。 > 可惜找不到纸的了。 :) > 居然还在校图书馆的书店里找到一本《Develop Bioinformatics Computer Skills》,还是中译本的。 > 没想到我们学校居然还会有这么"前卫"的书。 > > > On 5/22/08, truncatei wrote: >> >> 找那本1000页的Perl编程来看,能两天看完的都是神仙 :-) >> >> On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: >> > 真想看书的,应该拿着一本书看啊。。。。 >> > 看电子版的《Perl语言入门》看半天看不下去,于是买了纸版的,两天看完。。。 >> > >> > >> > On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: >> > > 1.非常同意你的观点,perl 的第一个字 P 是 practical 的意思,因此学习必须 >> > > 多 PR. >> > > 2.除了前三天的默哀时间,我在公交上、地铁里也找不到什么人用 PSP 看书的, >> > > 大都是埋头玩的不亦乐乎。 >> > > >> > > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: >> > > > 我的观点主要是: >> > > > >> > > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 >> > > > >> > > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp >> > 可以玩。 >> > > > >> > > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… >> > > > >> > > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : >> > > > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 >> > > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > > China-pm mailing list >> > > > > China-pm at pm.org >> > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > -- >> > > > Gmail - I love this G. >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > China-pm mailing list >> > > > China-pm at pm.org >> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > China-pm mailing list >> > > China-pm at pm.org >> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > China-pm mailing list >> > China-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/8de1dc5a/attachment.html From lamp.purl at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:15:53 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:15:53 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211429753.9661.5.camel@flatpan> 不妨在这里 show 一下我的 slides, please enjoy it with me ASAP! On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:57 +0800, truncatei wrote: > 刚搜了一下不知道你说的是不是CSDN的这篇 > http://topic.csdn.net/t/20051223/14/4477508.html > > > > > On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > > 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 > > 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 > > 而Python则不用。。。 > > > > > > On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: > > > 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do > > it. :) > > > > > > 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 > > > perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? > > > > > > 2008/5/22 katkat lim : > > > > 举个例子说吧。。。 > > > > > > 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 > > > > > > > > > > > > On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: > > > >> > > > >> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D > > > >> > > > >> 2008/5/22 Barret : > > > >>> > > > >>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 > > > >>> > > > >>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python > > > >>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Gmail - I love this G. > > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > > >>> China-pm mailing list > > > >>> China-pm at pm.org > > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > >> > > > >> _______________________________________________ > > > >> China-pm mailing list > > > >> China-pm at pm.org > > > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > China-pm mailing list > > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Gmail - I love this G. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > China-pm mailing list > > > China-pm at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: perl-sql.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 427918 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080522/8f2a5ab2/attachment-0001.pdf From fayland at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:39:55 2008 From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:39:55 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <1211430468.10061.2.camel@flatpan> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> <1211430468.10061.2.camel@flatpan> Message-ID: <4834F91B.8060207@gmail.com> joe jiang wrote: > http://docs.google.com/Presentation?id=df26q2xp_103fq8qmgz > > sorry, 因为 maillist 附件限额的原因, > 用 dont do evil 的 google 发布被人说为 evil 的 perl slides, > perl do optimize my english, use english please! > I approve the pdf, it should be seen soon. nice job, joe! > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:57 +0800, truncatei wrote: > >> 刚搜了一下不知道你说的是不是CSDN的这篇 >> http://topic.csdn.net/t/20051223/14/4477508.html >> >> >> >> >> On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: >> >>> 对初学者(比如说我)来说,perl解决问题往往得上网搜索一下。。。 >>> 以前看过一篇《Perl是一种邪教》,里面的观点我不发表看法,是一个叫shhg的人发表的对于perl的看法,估计有很多人看过了,如果没看过又有兴趣的可以看看。 >>> 而Python则不用。。。 >>> >>> >>> On 5/22/08, Barret wrote: >>> >>>> 热闹不热闹这个倒没什么关系,很多时候是因为 perl 解决问题不需要怎么问人的。There's more than one way to do >>>> >>> it. :) >>> >>>> 但是像现在很多应用程序比方 oo.o 或者 google 的云计算,乃至智能手机,都有 python 但没有 perl 的身影,让人觉得 >>>> perl6 的担子还真够重,如果万一变成一 bubbleware ,那就郁闷了。没落? >>>> >>>> 2008/5/22 katkat lim : >>>> >>>>> 举个例子说吧。。。 >>>>> >>>>> >>> 有订阅perlchina和CPUG的人就知道了,CPUG的邮件可以塞满邮箱,perchina的邮件几天不见一封。 >>> >>>>> On 5/22/08, purl lamp wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> perl is not optimized for 闲逛 :D >>>>>> >>>>>> 2008/5/22 Barret : >>>>>> >>>>>>> 最近逛了一圈 python 的网站,然后逛到 perlchina ,发觉热闹程度不成比例。 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 不过总觉得 perl6 是不是等太久了,不会变成气泡软件吧?大家觉得现在 perl 之于 python 有哪些问题需要改进呢?python >>>>>>> 都上云计算环境了,perl 会不会有点积重难返? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Gmail - I love this G. >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> China-pm mailing list >>>>>>> China-pm at pm.org >>>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> China-pm mailing list >>>>>> China-pm at pm.org >>>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> China-pm mailing list >>>>> China-pm at pm.org >>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Gmail - I love this G. >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> China-pm mailing list >>>> China-pm at pm.org >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> China-pm mailing list >>> China-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -- Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/ From truncatei at gmail.com Wed May 21 21:48:50 2008 From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:48:50 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805212124j5d8861f2m4f57d03010f7841c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <367185060805212014u2f40a79dy605b9d75bb1dbf64@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212024s27c9ce83xf98a57930b131a3e@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212039haa5fcc0y4539a9e9f413a74a@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212045ne6400cdq4dd8de962511cb81@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212122i2df7a639o71fb83ac0d5ac58c@mail.gmail.com> <348febc10805212124j5d8861f2m4f57d03010f7841c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: 后面的争论太长了,看得眼睛疼,估计shhgs在Perl那里受过打击。 On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > 原来我把名字记错了,原名是:《我为什么讨厌Perl》 > http://topic.csdn.net/t/20060108/04/4503932.html > 《邪教》是写在这个之后的。 > > From barretz at gmail.com Wed May 21 23:52:06 2008 From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 14:52:06 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3629857d0805212352y65bdc33ey7817fd4e7b492b6@mail.gmail.com> 觉得那本非常不好懂。还是能把高级 Perl 编程第一版看完就差不多了。 2008/5/22 truncatei : > 找那本1000页的Perl编程来看,能两天看完的都是神仙 :-) > > On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: >> 真想看书的,应该拿着一本书看啊。。。。 >> 看电子版的《Perl语言入门》看半天看不下去,于是买了纸版的,两天看完。。。 >> >> >> On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: >> > 1.非常同意你的观点,perl 的第一个字 P 是 practical 的意思,因此学习必须 >> > 多 PR. >> > 2.除了前三天的默哀时间,我在公交上、地铁里也找不到什么人用 PSP 看书的, >> > 大都是埋头玩的不亦乐乎。 >> > >> > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: >> > > 我的观点主要是: >> > > >> > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 >> > > >> > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp >> 可以玩。 >> > > >> > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… >> > > >> > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : >> > > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 >> > > > _______________________________________________ >> > > > China-pm mailing list >> > > > China-pm at pm.org >> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > Gmail - I love this G. >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > China-pm mailing list >> > > China-pm at pm.org >> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > China-pm mailing list >> > China-pm at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >> > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -- Gmail - I love this G. From shijialee at gmail.com Thu May 22 09:51:21 2008 From: shijialee at gmail.com (shijialee at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 00:51:21 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?cGVybGNoaW5hLm9yZ+Wfn+WQjeWcqOiwgeaJiw==?= =?utf-8?b?6YeM77yM6bq754Om5YaN6K6+572u5LiA5LiL?= In-Reply-To: <9ff89e80805192001j26c012c0s5b1faa9fe4af72e2@mail.gmail.com> References: <9ff89e80805192001j26c012c0s5b1faa9fe4af72e2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4835A489.9010406@gmail.com> sorry.. 这两天一直没有时间看 list.. dns 已经改了。下次也可以同时 cc 一份 给我或 chunzi. Qiang 万朝伟 wrote: > 由于更换机房,bbs.perlchina.org 的ip地址改变, > 域名在哪位兄弟手里,麻烦设置一下 > 新的ip地址是: 222.73.42.41 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From easunlee at gmail.com Thu May 22 19:01:31 2008 From: easunlee at gmail.com (Eaun Lee) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 10:01:31 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: <3629857d0805212352y65bdc33ey7817fd4e7b492b6@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212352y65bdc33ey7817fd4e7b492b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: shhgs 的 Perl 水平到是很不错。只是他把自己的个人看法强加给别人就另人感到不舒服了。。 CU 上一段时间到处有他劝别人放弃Perl的言论。。 2008/5/22 Barret : > 觉得那本非常不好懂。还是能把高级 Perl 编程第一版看完就差不多了。 > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : >> 找那本1000页的Perl编程来看,能两天看完的都是神仙 :-) >> >> On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: >>> 真想看书的,应该拿着一本书看啊。。。。 >>> 看电子版的《Perl语言入门》看半天看不下去,于是买了纸版的,两天看完。。。 >>> >>> >>> On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: >>> > 1.非常同意你的观点,perl 的第一个字 P 是 practical 的意思,因此学习必须 >>> > 多 PR. >>> > 2.除了前三天的默哀时间,我在公交上、地铁里也找不到什么人用 PSP 看书的, >>> > 大都是埋头玩的不亦乐乎。 >>> > >>> > On 四, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: >>> > > 我的观点主要是: >>> > > >>> > > 1:觉得 perl6 迟迟不出(一直觉得这种意图宏大的软件很危险)。 >>> > > >>> > > 2:另外 perl 对于新技术新软件似乎不那么敏感了?至少我发现智能手机可以运行 python ……python 还有 sony psp >>> 可以玩。 >>> > > >>> > > 请各位大大发表一下看法…… >>> > > >>> > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : >>> > > > 可以去perlmonk上看看,里面很多高手 >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > China-pm mailing list >>> > > > China-pm at pm.org >>> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Gmail - I love this G. >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > China-pm mailing list >>> > > China-pm at pm.org >>> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > China-pm mailing list >>> > China-pm at pm.org >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> China-pm mailing list >>> China-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From truncatei at gmail.com Thu May 22 20:15:35 2008 From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:15:35 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybDYg5piv5LiN5pivIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg5ZWK?= =?utf-8?b?44CC?= In-Reply-To: References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <591381660805212039r458b1559ud5baf57131bda2ef@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212352y65bdc33ey7817fd4e7b492b6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <483636D7.6090705@gmail.com> 我第一个算正式使用的编程语言就是Perl,当时还是一本Perl 4入门,看了很久都 没看入门。 但是确实被吸引了,后来突然有一个暑假,再拿起那本书的时候竟然能够看懂了。 虽然现在不怎么用Perl做项目,但是从Perl学到的东西一直影响着我。 Eaun Lee wrote: > shhgs 的 Perl 水平到是很不错。只是他把自己的个人看法强加给别人就另人感到不舒服了。。 > > CU 上一段时间到处有他劝别人放弃Perl的言论。。 > > From march.liu at gmail.com Thu May 22 20:20:12 2008 From: march.liu at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?wfX2zg==?=) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:20:12 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <483636D7.6090705@gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212045h262a1a16w157c910299e75f3@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212352y65bdc33ey7817fd4e7b492b6@mail.gmail.com> <483636D7.6090705@gmail.com> Message-ID: �ձ��һ�������arrot0.6.2��׼������������ʵ����parrot��erl6���������pugs�Ƚ����0.6����say!�������������gsһֱû��ɱ���ȶ��棬������ȥ��� 2008/5/23 truncatei : > �������õı������erl����ʱ���һ��Perl 4��������ܾö� > û������ > ���ȷʵ����������Ȼ�һ��٣������������������������ > �Ȼ�����ô�Perl��Ŀ�������erlѧ���Ķ��һֱӰ����� > > Eaun Lee wrote: > > shhgs ��Perl ˮƽ����ܲ��ֻ����Լ��ĸ����ǿ�Ӹ�����е����������� > > > > CU �һ����䵽����Ȱ�������ۡ��� > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -- ����������ѹ�� ���arch.Liu -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080523/10def59a/attachment.html From fayland at gmail.com Thu May 22 20:25:25 2008 From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:25:25 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805222023r4fda8029xfcfa16c5fe663a91@mail.gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212052k451c81f1o816280c28e1f4a12@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212352y65bdc33ey7817fd4e7b492b6@mail.gmail.com> <483636D7.6090705@gmail.com> <348febc10805222023r4fda8029xfcfa16c5fe663a91@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <48363925.2070004@gmail.com> katkat lim wrote: > ���������arry�����ά��perl���� > Larry ֻ������SPEC, ʵ���������� > On 5/23/08, *��> > wrote: > > �ձ��һ�������arrot0.6.2��׼������������ʵ����parrot > ��erl6���������pugs�Ƚ����0.6���� say!����������> ʱ��gsһֱû��ɱ���ȶ��棬������ȥ��� > > 2008/5/23 truncatei >: > > �������õı������erl����ʱ���һ��Perl 4���� > ����ܾö� > û������ > ���ȷʵ����������Ȼ�һ��٣��������������� > ��������� > �Ȼ�����ô�Perl��Ŀ�������erlѧ���Ķ��һֱӰ����� > > Eaun Lee wrote: > > shhgs ��Perl ˮƽ����ܲ��ֻ����Լ��ĸ����ǿ�Ӹ� �����е����������� > > > > CU �һ����䵽����Ȱ�������ۡ��� > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > -- > ����������ѹ� ���� > > ��� March.Liu > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm -- Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/ From limkatkat at gmail.com Thu May 22 20:27:38 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 11:27:38 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUgsKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <48363925.2070004@gmail.com> References: <3629857d0805212010t7fb5dc70ge9ca2c0845dbdcc9@mail.gmail.com> <1211429499.9661.2.camel@flatpan> <348febc10805212118j1be44938k3dd30e7a17c6a2c0@mail.gmail.com> <3629857d0805212352y65bdc33ey7817fd4e7b492b6@mail.gmail.com> <483636D7.6090705@gmail.com> <348febc10805222023r4fda8029xfcfa16c5fe663a91@mail.gmail.com> <48363925.2070004@gmail.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805222027w73e3e362t1a99cdfcc09f1870@mail.gmail.com> larry�ˬ��������������������� ^_^ ����������Ϊ�ġ� On 5/23/08, Fayland Lam wrote: > > katkat lim wrote: > > ���������arry�����ά��perl���� > > > > Larry ֻ������SPEC, ʵ���������� > > > > On 5/23/08, *��> > > wrote: > > > > �ձ��һ�������arrot0.6.2��׼������������ʵ����parrot > > ��erl6���������pugs�Ƚ����0.6���� say!����������> > ʱ��gsһֱû��ɱ���ȶ��棬������ȥ��� > > > > 2008/5/23 truncatei > >: > > > > �������õı������erl����ʱ���һ��Perl 4���� > > ����ܾö� > > û������ > > ���ȷʵ����������Ȼ�һ��٣��������������� > > ��������� > > �Ȼ�����ô�Perl��Ŀ�������erlѧ���Ķ��һֱӰ����� > > > > Eaun Lee wrote: > > > shhgs ��Perl ˮƽ����ܲ��ֻ����Լ��ĸ����ǿ�Ӹ� > �����е����������� > > > > > > CU �һ����䵽����Ȱ�������ۡ��� > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > > > -- > > ����������ѹ�> > ���� > > > > ��� > March.Liu > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > -- > Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ > Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/ > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080523/1c875a5a/attachment-0001.html From beckheng at gmail.com Thu May 22 23:48:29 2008 From: beckheng at gmail.com (Beckheng Lam) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 14:48:29 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogIFBlcmw2IMrHsrvKxyBidWJibGV3YXJl?= =?gb2312?b?ILChoaM=?= In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <483668c9.1e078e0a.29e8.1ef3@mx.google.com> ��̎��˷ŗ�PERL,�����ʲ��? -----���ԭ��----- �����: china-pm-bounces+beckheng=gmail.com at pm.org [mailto:china-pm-bounces+beckheng=gmail.com at pm.org] ��aun Lee ���ʱ��2008�5�23� 10:02 ����: china-pm at pm.org ��: Re: [PerlChina] Perl6 ���� bubbleware ���� shhgs ��Perl ˮƽ����ܲ��ֻ����Լ��ĸ����ǿ�Ӹ�����е���� ������� CU �һ����䵽����Ȱ�������ۡ��� 2008/5/22 Barret : > ��DZ��dz����ö��������Ѹ߼� Perl ������濴��Ͳ���� > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : >> ����1000ҳ��erl��������������Ķ���� :-) >> >> On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: >>> ������ģ�Ӧ�������������������� >>> ��������Perl���������������ȥ������ֽ��������������� >>> >>> >>> On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: >>> > 1.�dz�ͬ���Ĺ۵㣬perl �ĵ����P � practical ���������ϰ�� � >>> > ��R. >>> > 2.������ʱ�䣬�����������������ʲô�� PSP ��� �ģ� >>> > ����������� >>> > >>> > On �, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: >>> > > ��Ĺ۵�Ҫ��� >>> > > >>> > > 1:��perl6 �ٳٲ����ֱ����ͼ������������� >>> > > >>> > > 2:�� perl ���¼��������������ˣ������������ �� python ����python ��� sony psp >>> ���档 >>> > > >>> > > ���������������� >>> > > >>> > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : >>> > > > ����perlmonk����������ܶ�� >>> > > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > > China-pm mailing list >>> > > > China-pm at pm.org >>> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- >>> > > Gmail - I love this G. >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > China-pm mailing list >>> > > China-pm at pm.org >>> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > China-pm mailing list >>> > China-pm at pm.org >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> China-pm mailing list >>> China-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > -- > Gmail - I love this G. > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm _______________________________________________ China-pm mailing list China-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From limkatkat at gmail.com Fri May 23 03:43:17 2008 From: limkatkat at gmail.com (katkat lim) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 18:43:17 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogUGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg?= =?gb2312?b?sKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <483668c9.1e078e0a.29e8.1ef3@mx.google.com> References: <483668c9.1e078e0a.29e8.1ef3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <348febc10805230343h2d3fe163i7686a716b0a0e72b@mail.gmail.com> �������ython On 5/23/08, Beckheng Lam wrote: > > ��̎��˷ŗ�PERL,�����ʲ��? > > -----���ԭ��----- > �����: china-pm-bounces+beckheng=gmail.com at pm.org > [mailto:china-pm-bounces+beckheng =gmail.com@ > pm.org] ��aun Lee > ���ʱ��2008�5�23� 10:02 > ����: china-pm at pm.org > ��: Re: [PerlChina] Perl6 ���� bubbleware ���� > > shhgs ��Perl ˮƽ����ܲ��ֻ����Լ��ĸ����ǿ�Ӹ�����е���� > ������� > > CU �һ����䵽����Ȱ�������ۡ��� > > 2008/5/22 Barret : > > ��DZ��dz����ö��������Ѹ߼� Perl ������濴��Ͳ���� > > > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : > >> ����1000ҳ��erl��������������Ķ���� :-) > >> > >> On 5/22/08, katkat lim wrote: > >>> ������ģ�Ӧ�������������������� > >>> ��������Perl���������������ȥ������ֽ��������������� > >>> > >>> > >>> On 5/22/08, joe jiang wrote: > >>> > 1.�dz�ͬ���Ĺ۵㣬perl �ĵ����P � practical ���������ϰ��> � > >>> > ��R. > >>> > 2.������ʱ�䣬�����������������ʲô�� PSP ��� > �ģ� > >>> > �����������> >>> > > >>> > On �, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: > >>> > > ��Ĺ۵�Ҫ��� > >>> > > > >>> > > 1:��perl6 �ٳٲ����ֱ����ͼ������������� > >>> > > > >>> > > 2:�� perl ���¼��������������ˣ������������ > �� python ����python ��� sony psp > >>> ���档 > >>> > > > >>> > > ���������������� > >>> > > > >>> > > 2008/5/22 truncatei : > >>> > > > ����perlmonk����������ܶ�� > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > China-pm mailing list > >>> > > > China-pm at pm.org > >>> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > -- > >>> > > Gmail - I love this G. > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > China-pm mailing list > >>> > > China-pm at pm.org > >>> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > >>> > > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > China-pm mailing list > >>> > China-pm at pm.org > >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> China-pm mailing list > >>> China-pm at pm.org > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> China-pm mailing list > >> China-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > > > > > > -- > > Gmail - I love this G. > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/china-pm/attachments/20080524/f6336c14/attachment-0001.html From shijialee at gmail.com Fri May 23 19:53:48 2008 From: shijialee at gmail.com (shijialee) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:53:48 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?tPC4tDogUGVybDYgyseyu8rHIGJ1YmJsZXdhcmUg?= =?gb2312?b?sKGhow==?= In-Reply-To: <348febc10805230343h2d3fe163i7686a716b0a0e72b@mail.gmail.com> References: <483668c9.1e078e0a.29e8.1ef3@mx.google.com> <348febc10805230343h2d3fe163i7686a716b0a0e72b@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4837833C.8080806@gmail.com> katkat lim wrote: > �������ython python ��������django ��twisted ֵ��Ƽ� sshg ���۾�����ϲ��ij��������������IJ��á��ʼ��� һ�һ���һ�����һ������ʱ����˵�Ļ�����Ͳ���ô������ Qiang > > On 5/23/08, *Beckheng Lam* > wrote: > > ��̎��˷ŗ�PERL,�����ʲ��? > > -----���ԭ��----- > �����: china-pm-bounces+beckheng=gmail.com > @pm.org > [mailto:china-pm-bounces+beckheng > =gmail.com > @pm.org ] ��aun Lee > ���ʱ��2008�5�23� 10:02 > ����: china-pm at pm.org > ��: Re: [PerlChina] Perl6 ���� bubbleware ���� > > shhgs ��Perl ˮƽ����ܲ��ֻ����Լ��ĸ����ǿ�Ӹ���� > �е���� > ������� > > CU �һ����䵽����Ȱ�������ۡ��� > > 2008/5/22 Barret >: > > ��DZ��dz����ö��������Ѹ߼� Perl ������濴��Ͳ���� > > > > 2008/5/22 truncatei >: > >> ����1000ҳ��erl��������������Ķ���� :-) > >> > >> On 5/22/08, katkat lim > wrote: > >>> ������ģ�Ӧ�������������������� > >>> ��������Perl���������������ȥ������ֽ�������� > ������� > >>> > >>> > >>> On 5/22/08, joe jiang > wrote: > >>> > 1.�dz�ͬ���Ĺ۵㣬perl �ĵ����P � practical ������ > ���ϰ��> � > >>> > ��R. > >>> > 2.������ʱ�䣬�����������������ʲô�� > PSP ��� > �ģ� > >>> > �����������> >>> > > >>> > On �, 2008-05-22 at 11:52 +0800, Barret wrote: > >>> > > ��Ĺ۵�Ҫ��� > >>> > > > >>> > > 1:��perl6 �ٳٲ����ֱ����ͼ������������� > >>> > > > >>> > > 2:�� perl ���¼��������������ˣ�������� > ���� > �� python ����python ��� sony psp > >>> ���档 > >>> > > > >>> > > ���������������� > >>> > > > >>> > > 2008/5/22 truncatei >: > >>> > > > ����perlmonk����������ܶ�� > >>> > > > _______________________________________________ > >>> > > > China-pm mailing list > >>> > > > China-pm at pm.org > >>> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From easunlee at gmail.com Sat May 24 01:49:49 2008 From: easunlee at gmail.com (Eaun Lee) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 16:49:49 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBQZXJsNiDmmK/kuI3mmK8gYnViYmxl?= =?utf-8?b?d2FyZSDllYrjgII=?= In-Reply-To: <4837833C.8080806@gmail.com> References: <483668c9.1e078e0a.29e8.1ef3@mx.google.com> <348febc10805230343h2d3fe163i7686a716b0a0e72b@mail.gmail.com> <4837833C.8080806@gmail.com> Message-ID: 同意 Qiang 的观点。 2008/5/24 shijialee : > katkat lim wrote: >> 他最爱的是Python > > python 是个不错的语言。django 和 twisted 值得推荐。 > > sshg 的言论就像是他非常不喜欢某个人,并四处宣传这个人的不好。我始终相信 > 一言一行代表了一个人,当一个人做这些事情时,他所说的话听起来就不是那么可 > 信了。 > > Qiang From lamp.purl at gmail.com Sun May 25 04:15:11 2008 From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (joe jiang) Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 19:15:11 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBQZXJsNiDmmK/kuI3mmK8gYnViYmxl?= =?utf-8?b?d2FyZSDllYrjgII=?= In-Reply-To: References: <483668c9.1e078e0a.29e8.1ef3@mx.google.com> <348febc10805230343h2d3fe163i7686a716b0a0e72b@mail.gmail.com> <4837833C.8080806@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1211714111.6788.8.camel@flatpan> 个人还是相信perl能超越python的,感觉即使没有第六版也perl能远远区别于任何 语言。 系统管理和打草稿这个nich至今为止还是有些非常朴素的需要,如果不谈论政治的 话,这里没有什么语言能够更快构造出想法了。 timtoday并不意味着任何的东西都是best的。个人比较不同意qiang的观点, python的twisted太programming了,比起perl的POE来说还是eval起来差些的。毕 竟不太能指望看见one-liner版本的python。 perl -MPOE=Component::Server::TCP -e 'POE::Component::Server::TCP->new(ClientInput => sub{ $_[HEAP]->{client}->put($_[ARG0]) }, Port => 12345 ); POE::Kernel->run' On 六, 2008-05-24 at 16:49 +0800, Eaun Lee wrote: > 同意 Qiang 的观点。 > > 2008/5/24 shijialee : > > katkat lim wrote: > >> 他最爱的是Python > > > > python 是个不错的语言。django 和 twisted 值得推荐。 > > > > sshg 的言论就像是他非常不喜欢某个人,并四处宣传这个人的不好。我始终相信 > > 一言一行代表了一个人,当一个人做这些事情时,他所说的话听起来就不是那么可 > > 信了。 > > > > Qiang > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm From shijialee at gmail.com Mon May 26 09:44:41 2008 From: shijialee at gmail.com (shijialee) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 00:44:41 +0800 Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiBQZXJsNiDmmK/kuI3mmK8gYnViYmxl?= =?utf-8?b?d2FyZSDllYrjgII=?= In-Reply-To: <1211714111.6788.8.camel@flatpan> References: <483668c9.1e078e0a.29e8.1ef3@mx.google.com> <348febc10805230343h2d3fe163i7686a716b0a0e72b@mail.gmail.com> <4837833C.8080806@gmail.com> <1211714111.6788.8.camel@flatpan> Message-ID: <483AE8F9.7010803@gmail.com> joe 研究 POE 有年头了吧, 等我去上海要请你给我讲讲啦 :-) Qiang joe jiang wrote: > 个人还是相信perl能超越python的,感觉即使没有第六版也perl能远远区别于任何 > 语言。 > 系统管理和打草稿这个nich至今为止还是有些非常朴素的需要,如果不谈论政治的 > 话,这里没有什么语言能够更快构造出想法了。 > timtoday并不意味着任何的东西都是best的。个人比较不同意qiang的观点, > python的twisted太programming了,比起perl的POE来说还是eval起来差些的。毕 > 竟不太能指望看见one-liner版本的python。 > > perl -MPOE=Component::Server::TCP -e > 'POE::Component::Server::TCP->new(ClientInput => > sub{ $_[HEAP]->{client}->put($_[ARG0]) }, Port => 12345 ); > POE::Kernel->run' > > > On 六, 2008-05-24 at 16:49 +0800, Eaun Lee wrote: >> 同意 Qiang 的观点。 >> >> 2008/5/24 shijialee : >>> katkat lim wrote: >>>> 他最爱的是Python >>> python 是个不错的语言。django 和 twisted 值得推荐。 >>> >>> sshg 的言论就像是他非常不喜欢某个人,并四处宣传这个人的不好。我始终相信 >>> 一言一行代表了一个人,当一个人做这些事情时,他所说的话听起来就不是那么可 >>> 信了。 >>> >>> Qiang >> _______________________________________________ >> China-pm mailing list >> China-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm