From yang.liana at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 06:46:43 2007
From: yang.liana at gmail.com (rorot)
Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2007 22:46:43 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?x/PW+sjnus62r8ysvNPU2MSjv+ksIGR5bmFtaWMg?=
	=?gb2312?b?bG9hZCBNb2R1bGU=?=
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诸位好，

感谢各位上次指导我的关于HTML::DOM,
Mozilla::Mechanize的诸多问题。甚至于jzhang提出的Class::DBI模块，我觉得很好用。正用在了目前的模块中。

这次我碰到的问题是: 如何在我自己编写的package里，动态加载别的模块？
具体是这样的。在我的主模块里是MVC(Module, View, Control)结构，其View输出分至少3种，或HTML, 或XML,
或Console Text. 这三种输出，分别由3个不同的View模块实现。

问题是：当我要输出是，只会调用一种输出模式。而具体要用哪个输出模块，根据运行时参数决定。我不想把三种输出模式都包进来，而是想到了具体该用哪个模块时，再加载。
如何解决呢？

我尝试了使用autouse的方式:

use autouse 'Foo::View::HTML';
use autouse 'Foo::View::XML';
use autouse 'Foo::View::Console';

sub output {
      my $self = shift;
      my $view_arg = shift;

      if ($view_arg eq "HTML")
      {
           my $view = Foo::View::HTML->new;
           $view->output("something");
      }

      ...
}


但是运行直接报错，说是找不到HTML模块。。。。
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From shijialee at gmail.com  Sun Dec  2 21:06:03 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang ( James ) Li)
Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:06:03 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina]
 =?gb2312?b?x/PW+sjnus62r8ysvNPU2MSjv+ksIGR5bmFtaWMg?=
 =?gb2312?b?bG9hZCBNb2R1bGU=?=
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rorot wrote:
> 诸位好，
> 
> 感谢各位上次指导我的关于HTML::DOM, Mozilla::Mechanize的诸多问题。甚至于 
> jzhang提出的Class::DBI模块，我觉得很好用。正用在了目前的模块中。

Class::DBI 是 Perl 里最老的一个 ORM 模块，虽然稳定，但使用 Class::DBI 的
人很多已经转到 DBIx::Class 上了，既然你是刚开始使用 ORM，我推荐你使用
DBIx::Class 或 Rose::DB。

另外，我碰巧要用从网页的 DOM 里提取数据，试了一下 Web::Scraper 发现很好
用。http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/Web-Scraper-0.24/lib/Web/Scraper.pm
文档里的例子就能说明它的用途。

> 
> 这次我碰到的问题是: 如何在我自己编写的package里，动态加载别的模块？
> 具体是这样的。在我的主模块里是MVC(Module, View, Control)结构，其View输出 
> 分至少3种，或HTML, 或XML, 或Console Text. 这三种输出，分别由3个不同的 
> View模块实现。
> 

程序是运行在 mod_perl 下的么？如果是的话那就没有必要动态加载。即使在
plain cgi 下，多加载一个或两个模块对运行速度到底有多大区别？

常说的一句话：在你没有找到瓶颈的时候，不要做无谓的提速。

动态加载你可以使用 require :

if ( $output_type = 'xml' ) {
    eval { require XML::OUTPUT };
    die if $@;
    print $xml_output;
}

Qiang

From yang.liana at gmail.com  Mon Dec  3 09:24:01 2007
From: yang.liana at gmail.com (rorot)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 01:24:01 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
	=?gb2312?b?x/PW+sjnus62r8ysvNPU2MSjv+ksIGR5bmFtaWMg?=
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在07-12-3，Qiang ( James ) Li <shijialee at gmail.com> 写道：
>
> Class::DBI 是 Perl 里最老的一个 ORM 模块，虽然稳定，但使用 Class::DBI 的
> 人很多已经转到 DBIx::Class 上了，既然你是刚开始使用 ORM，我推荐你使用
> DBIx::Class 或 Rose::DB。


谢谢，看了DBIx::Class的文档，觉得是OO的模式，我想我会把它应用在接下来的模块中。Rose::DB还没来的及看：）

另外，我碰巧要用从网页的 DOM 里提取数据，试了一下 Web::Scraper 发现很好
> 用。http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/Web-Scraper-0.24/lib/Web/Scraper.pm
> 文档里的例子就能说明它的用途。


一下子没看明白Web::Scraper的优势。这个。。。。。。。

程序是运行在 mod_perl 下的么？如果是的话那就没有必要动态加载。即使在
> plain cgi 下，多加载一个或两个模块对运行速度到底有多大区别？
>
> 常说的一句话：在你没有找到瓶颈的时候，不要做无谓的提速。
>
> 动态加载你可以使用 require :
>
> if ( $output_type = 'xml' ) {
>     eval { require XML::OUTPUT };
>     die if $@;
>     print $xml_output;
> }


这话说的对，用eval{
require...}处理动态加载，不失为一种方法。不过我现把该用到的块先包进来再说。其余在以后调优。另外，我有个关于mod_perl的问题。就是自己的代码包了很多自己写的模块，然后在mod_perl下跑，但是由于在开发阶段，所以经常性的修改被脚本包含的模块，但是却不见mod_perl立即更新。而且其启动时加载的原来的老模块的内容。搞的我每次修改了模块，都要重启一次Apache,
这个问题如何解决呢？
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From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  4 20:57:07 2007
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2007 20:57:07 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [PerlChina] Fw: SQL/Unix/Perl Developer - (FULL TIME - GREEN
	CARD/US CITIZENSHIP REQUIRED) New York City
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From shijialee at gmail.com  Fri Dec  7 19:39:58 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang ( James ) Li)
Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2007 22:39:58 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina]
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不好意思,这几天比较忙.... 下面是我得回复 :

rorot wrote:
> 在07-12-3，*Qiang ( James ) Li* 写道：
> 

> 
>     另外，我碰巧要用从网页的 DOM 里提取数据，试了一下 Web::Scraper 发现很好
>     用。
>     http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/Web-Scraper-0.24/lib/Web/Scraper.pm
>     文档里的例子就能说明它的用途。
> 
>  
> 一下子没看明白Web::Scraper的优势。这个。。。。。。。

我也是刚开始. Web::Scraper 的优势是你可以根据 CSS (class/span 名称) 和
html tag 来获得你想要的内容.

作者 use.perl 上有个例子:

use Web::Scraper;
use URI;

my $uri =
URI->new("http://wikisubtitles.net/ajax_loadShow.php?show=65&season=3");
my $scraper = scraper {
    process '//td[@class="idioma"][text()=~"English \(US\)"]/..//a',
'links[]' => '@href';
};
my $result = $scraper->scrape($uri);

解释一下就是寻找使用 class 名称为 idioma 的 td, 内容匹配 English (US),
然后把 td 里面的链接抓来. 这个模块是基于 ruby scraper 工具,目前 perl 版
的文档很少,基本上要看 ruby 的文档才可以.

> 
>     程序是运行在 mod_perl 下的么？如果是的话那就没有必要动态加载。即使在
>     plain cgi 下，多加载一个或两个模块对运行速度到底有多大区别？
> 
>     常说的一句话：在你没有找到瓶颈的时候，不要做无谓的提速。
> 
>     动态加载你可以使用 require :
> 
>     if ( $output_type = 'xml' ) {
>         eval { require XML::OUTPUT };
>         die if $@;
>         print $xml_output;
>     }
> 
> 
> 这话说的对，用eval{ require...}处理动态加载，不失为一种方法。不过我现把 
> 该用到的块先包进来再说。其余在以后调优。另外，我有个关于mod_perl的问题。 
> 就是自己的代码包了很多自己写的模块，然后在mod_perl下跑，但是由于在开发阶 
> 段，所以经常性的修改被脚本包含的模块，但是却不见mod_perl立即更新。而且其 
> 启动时加载的原来的老模块的内容。搞的我每次修改了模块，都要重启一次 
> Apache, 这个问题如何解决呢？
> 
> 

mod_perl 文档里有详细的讲,这是 1.x 的文档:
http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#Reloading_Modules_and_Required_Files
开发时可以使用 Apache::Reload. 但在 production 里就不适合了.

Qiang

From shijialee at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 07:36:55 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang (James) Li)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:36:55 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwINDCzsW3orK8t63S6w==?=
Message-ID: <4ab5ddef0712100736s463c5e63mde2fdabd09dc373a@mail.gmail.com>

有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？
因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。

可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。

Qiang

From jzhou722 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 14:57:04 2007
From: jzhou722 at gmail.com (Jie Zhou)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 16:57:04 -0600
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwINDCzsW3orK8t63S6w==?=
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Hi,

Long time no see!  Just finished my finals. :)

Send me the file, or we can collaborate on the perlchina wiki site (If that
works).

Best,
klaus

On Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM, Qiang (James) Li <shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:

> 有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？
> 因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。
>
> 可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。
>
> Qiang
> _______________________________________________
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From barretz at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 16:52:18 2007
From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 08:52:18 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybCA1LjEwIOaWsOmXu+WPkeW4g+e/u+ivkQ==?=
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if not very long...

On Dec 11, 2007 6:57 AM, Jie Zhou <jzhou722 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Long time no see!  Just finished my finals. :)
>
> Send me the file, or we can collaborate on the perlchina wiki site (If that
> works).
>
> Best,
> klaus
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM, Qiang (James) Li < shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？
> > 因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。
> >
> > 可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。
> >
> > Qiang
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>
>
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From fayland at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 17:05:16 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:05:16 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybCA1LjEwIOaWsOmXu+WPkeW4g+e/u+ivkQ==?=
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Barret wrote:
> if not very long...
>
>   

truly, we haven't translated any article recently. :)


> On Dec 11, 2007 6:57 AM, Jie Zhou <jzhou722 at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Hi,
>>
>> Long time no see!  Just finished my finals. :)
>>
>> Send me the file, or we can collaborate on the perlchina wiki site (If that
>> works).
>>
>> Best,
>> klaus
>>
>>
>>
>> On Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM, Qiang (James) Li < shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> 有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？
>>> 因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。
>>>
>>> 可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。
>>>
>>> Qiang
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> China-pm mailing list
>>> China-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> China-pm mailing list
>> China-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>>
>>     
>
>
>
>   


-- 
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From shijialee at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 19:07:18 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang (James) Li)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 22:07:18 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwINDCzsW3orK8t63S6w==?=
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	<35d811aa0712101457i6f5f14e0k18fd872a0155c6f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab5ddef0712101907k374b607cpf4bc9ba70a244343@mail.gmail.com>

谢谢大家的回复! (hi, klaus.. congrats!  coming to U.S? )

5.10 应该是这个月 18号公布，所以新闻发布应该也是那个时间。

新闻稿不长，我想 klaus 应该就可以搞定了 :) klaus 翻译好后可以转发给 fayland, barryet 共同审校一下。怎么样？

在 5.10 公布前新闻稿请暂不要公开。

Qiang

On Dec 10, 2007 5:57 PM, Jie Zhou <jzhou722 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Long time no see!  Just finished my finals. :)
>
> Send me the file, or we can collaborate on the perlchina wiki site (If that
> works).
>
> Best,
> klaus
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM, Qiang (James) Li < shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > 有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？
> > 因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。
> >
> > 可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。
> >
> > Qiang
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
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From wanmyome at gmail.com  Mon Dec 10 20:01:57 2007
From: wanmyome at gmail.com (=?gb2312?B?V2FuIENoYW93ZWk=?=)
Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2007 12:01:57 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwINDCzsW3orK8t63S6w==?=
Message-ID: <475e0bb3.1997600a.4650.2fec@mx.google.com>

来迟了,没有赶上翻译,呵呵



Wan Chaowei 
wanmyome at gmail.com 
2007-12-11 

======= 2007-12-11 11:07 Qiang (James) Li 您在来信中写到:Re: [PerlChina] Perl 5.10 新闻发布翻译 ======= 

谢谢大家的回复! (hi, klaus.. congrats! coming to U.S? ) 5.10 应该是这个月 18号公布，所以新闻发布应该也是那个时间。 新闻稿不长，我想 klaus 应该就可以搞定了 :) klaus 翻译好后可以转发给 fayland, barryet 共同审校一下。怎么样？ 在 5.10 公布前新闻稿请暂不要公开。 Qiang On Dec 10, 2007 5:57 PM, Jie Zhou wrote: > Hi, > > Long time no see! Just finished my finals. :) > > Send me the file, or we can collaborate on the perlchina wiki site (If that > works). > > Best, > klaus > > > > On Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM, Qiang (James) Li < shijialee at gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > 有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？ > > 因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。 > > > > 可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。 > > > > Qiang > > _______________________________________________ > > China-pm mailing list > > China-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > China-pm mailing list > China-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm > _______________________________________________ China-pm mailing list China-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm 

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From jiezhou at uchicago.edu  Mon Dec 10 21:24:36 2007
From: jiezhou at uchicago.edu (Jie Zhou)
Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2007 23:24:36 -0600
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwINDCzsW3orK8t63S6w==?=
In-Reply-To: <4ab5ddef0712101907k374b607cpf4bc9ba70a244343@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712100736s463c5e63mde2fdabd09dc373a@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712101457i6f5f14e0k18fd872a0155c6f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab5ddef0712101907k374b607cpf4bc9ba70a244343@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35d811aa0712102124r4e9c555x348e30bcae0e01e@mail.gmail.com>

hehe, sure.

I've been in Chicago for 3 months, just been a little busy with the courses
so I haven't contacted you guys.

Next quarter I'll be joining a new lab, and I'm happen to know that most
computational guys in that lab also use perl, so I think I'll be writing
perl in the next few years, hehe . Nice to see that perl is still popular in
a lot of places.

Best,
Jie

On Dec 10, 2007 9:07 PM, Qiang (James) Li <shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:

> 谢谢大家的回复! (hi, klaus.. congrats!  coming to U.S? )
>
> 5.10 应该是这个月 18号公布，所以新闻发布应该也是那个时间。
>
> 新闻稿不长，我想 klaus 应该就可以搞定了 :) klaus 翻译好后可以转发给 fayland, barryet 共同审校一下。怎么样？
>
> 在 5.10 公布前新闻稿请暂不要公开。
>
> Qiang
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 5:57 PM, Jie Zhou <jzhou722 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Long time no see!  Just finished my finals. :)
> >
> > Send me the file, or we can collaborate on the perlchina wiki site (If
> that
> > works).
> >
> > Best,
> > klaus
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM, Qiang (James) Li < shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？
> > > 因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。
> > >
> > > 可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。
> > >
> > > Qiang
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > China-pm mailing list
> > > China-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >
> _______________________________________________
> China-pm mailing list
> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>



-- 
Jie Zhou
Department of Human Genetics,
University of Chicago.
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From stevenzyk at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 02:29:03 2007
From: stevenzyk at gmail.com (Steven Zhu)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:29:03 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
	=?gb2312?b?x/PW+sjnus6/ydLUtsHIodPKz+TW0NPKvP6woQ==?=
Message-ID: <4f870e20712120229q64c13256rba6f2e7b2ecb5fed@mail.gmail.com>

我想读取邮箱中的邮件，提取邮件中的信息，不知道如何可以读取邮件哪

在07-12-8，Qiang ( James ) Li <shijialee at gmail.com> 写道：
>
> 不好意思,这几天比较忙.... 下面是我得回复 :
>
> rorot wrote:
> > 在07-12-3，*Qiang ( James ) Li* 写道：
> >
>
> >
> >     另外，我碰巧要用从网页的 DOM 里提取数据，试了一下 Web::Scraper 发现很好
> >     用。
> >     http://search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/Web-Scraper-0.24/lib/Web/Scraper.pm
> >     文档里的例子就能说明它的用途。
> >
> >
> > 一下子没看明白Web::Scraper的优势。这个。。。。。。。
>
> 我也是刚开始. Web::Scraper 的优势是你可以根据 CSS (class/span 名称) 和
> html tag 来获得你想要的内容.
>
> 作者 use.perl 上有个例子:
>
> use Web::Scraper;
> use URI;
>
> my $uri =
> URI->new("http://wikisubtitles.net/ajax_loadShow.php?show=65&season=3");
> my $scraper = scraper {
>    process '//td[@class="idioma"][text()=~"English \(US\)"]/..//a',
> 'links[]' => '@href';
> };
> my $result = $scraper->scrape($uri);
>
> 解释一下就是寻找使用 class 名称为 idioma 的 td, 内容匹配 English (US),
> 然后把 td 里面的链接抓来. 这个模块是基于 ruby scraper 工具,目前 perl 版
> 的文档很少,基本上要看 ruby 的文档才可以.
>
> >
> >     程序是运行在 mod_perl 下的么？如果是的话那就没有必要动态加载。即使在
> >     plain cgi 下，多加载一个或两个模块对运行速度到底有多大区别？
> >
> >     常说的一句话：在你没有找到瓶颈的时候，不要做无谓的提速。
> >
> >     动态加载你可以使用 require :
> >
> >     if ( $output_type = 'xml' ) {
> >         eval { require XML::OUTPUT };
> >         die if $@;
> >         print $xml_output;
> >     }
> >
> >
> > 这话说的对，用eval{ require...}处理动态加载，不失为一种方法。不过我现把
> > 该用到的块先包进来再说。其余在以后调优。另外，我有个关于mod_perl的问题。
> > 就是自己的代码包了很多自己写的模块，然后在mod_perl下跑，但是由于在开发阶
> > 段，所以经常性的修改被脚本包含的模块，但是却不见mod_perl立即更新。而且其
> > 启动时加载的原来的老模块的内容。搞的我每次修改了模块，都要重启一次
> > Apache, 这个问题如何解决呢？
> >
> >
>
> mod_perl 文档里有详细的讲,这是 1.x 的文档:
>
> http://perl.apache.org/docs/1.0/guide/porting.html#Reloading_Modules_and_Required_Files
> 开发时可以使用 Apache::Reload. 但在 production 里就不适合了.
>
> Qiang
> _______________________________________________
> China-pm mailing list
> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm




-- 
BR
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From truncatei at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 02:38:20 2007
From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 18:38:20 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
	=?gb2312?b?x/PW+sjnus6/ydLUtsHIodPKz+TW0NPKvP6woQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <4f870e20712120229q64c13256rba6f2e7b2ecb5fed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f870e20712120229q64c13256rba6f2e7b2ecb5fed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0d775f40712120238r7a7f908bg98b78d2780631610@mail.gmail.com>

模块：Net::POP3 - Post Office Protocol 3 Client class
下面是pod文档里的例子：

    use Net::POP3;

    # Constructors
    $pop = Net::POP3->new('pop3host');
    $pop = Net::POP3->new('pop3host', Timeout => 60);

    if ($pop->login($username, $password) > 0) {
      my $msgnums = $pop->list; # hashref of msgnum => size
      foreach my $msgnum (keys %$msgnums) {
        my $msg = $pop->get($msgnum);
        print @$msg;
        $pop->delete($msgnum);
      }
    }

    $pop->quit;




On Dec 12, 2007 6:29 PM, Steven Zhu <stevenzyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> 我想读取邮箱中的邮件，提取邮件中的信息，不知道如何可以读取邮件哪
>


-- 
如果觉得无聊，您不妨访问Google Reader消遣 http://www.google.com/reader/view
要尝试黑版本Google，请访问
http://www.google.com/custom?q=&sa=Search&client=pub-4021907304270164&forid=1&channel=7519554017&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&cof=GALT%3A%23FF9900%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%230033FF%3BVLC%3ACC9900%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3A000000%3BLBGC%3A000000%3BALC%3AFFFFFF%3BLC%3AFFFFFF%3BT%3ACCCCCC%3BGFNT%3A33CC00%3BGIMP%3A33CC00%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en
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From lamp.purl at gmail.com  Wed Dec 12 07:00:59 2007
From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (purl lamp)
Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2007 23:00:59 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwINDCzsW3orK8t63S6w==?=
In-Reply-To: <35d811aa0712102124r4e9c555x348e30bcae0e01e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712100736s463c5e63mde2fdabd09dc373a@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712101457i6f5f14e0k18fd872a0155c6f2@mail.gmail.com>
	<4ab5ddef0712101907k374b607cpf4bc9ba70a244343@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712102124r4e9c555x348e30bcae0e01e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <367185060712120700k7bcd2c81k2f692ca2d9aed3bc@mail.gmail.com>

wish the delivery day to delay for 10 days, thus it's the same day for my
son's birthday :D

really wish him to love perl as me, and wish to know new things in new
version.

在07-12-11，Jie Zhou <jiezhou at uchicago.edu> 写道：
>
> hehe, sure.
>
> I've been in Chicago for 3 months, just been a little busy with the
> courses so I haven't contacted you guys.
>
> Next quarter I'll be joining a new lab, and I'm happen to know that most
> computational guys in that lab also use perl, so I think I'll be writing
> perl in the next few years, hehe . Nice to see that perl is still popular in
> a lot of places.
>
> Best,
> Jie
>
> On Dec 10, 2007 9:07 PM, Qiang (James) Li <shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 谢谢大家的回复! (hi, klaus.. congrats!  coming to U.S? )
> >
> > 5.10 应该是这个月 18号公布，所以新闻发布应该也是那个时间。
> >
> > 新闻稿不长，我想 klaus 应该就可以搞定了 :) klaus 翻译好后可以转发给 fayland, barryet 共同审校一下。怎么样？
> >
> > 在 5.10 公布前新闻稿请暂不要公开。
> >
> > Qiang
> >
> > On Dec 10, 2007 5:57 PM, Jie Zhou <jzhou722 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > Long time no see!  Just finished my finals. :)
> > >
> > > Send me the file, or we can collaborate on the perlchina wiki site (If
> > that
> > > works).
> > >
> > > Best,
> > > klaus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Dec 10, 2007 9:36 AM, Qiang (James) Li < shijialee at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 有人对翻译一下 Perl 5.10 的新闻发布稿么？
> > > > 因为 5.10 的发布是 Perl 的一个重要事件，Perl 基金会希望有不同语言的发布稿。
> > > >
> > > > 可以翻译的朋友我会发给你稿子。
> > > >
> > > > Qiang
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > China-pm mailing list
> > > > China-pm at pm.org
> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > China-pm mailing list
> > > China-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Jie Zhou
> Department of Human Genetics,
> University of Chicago.
> _______________________________________________
> China-pm mailing list
> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>
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From jiezhou at uchicago.edu  Mon Dec 17 13:22:15 2007
From: jiezhou at uchicago.edu (Jie Zhou)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 16:22:15 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] YAPC::NA 2008 Chicago
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70712161937p2cdcfa49mb2a2931fadf7f682@mail.gmail.com>
References: <49d805d70712161937p2cdcfa49mb2a2931fadf7f682@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35d811aa0712171322s31a9cab0ye81e3694d152f08c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,
Just got the news that YAPC::NA 2008 will be in Chicago, I will try to go to
this event if I don't have other arrangement at that time.

Best,
Jie
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com>
Date: Dec 16, 2007 10:37 PM
Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC::NA 2008 Chicago
To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>, windycity-pm <
windycity-pm at pm.org>, yapc-na-organizers at pm.org, yapc-general at perl.org


The Chicago Perl Mongers are excited to officially announce the
location, dates, and website for YAPC::NA 2008.  The conference will
be held June 16th-18th 2008 at the Illinois Institute of Technology in
Chicago, IL.  We have set up an ACT-based website at
http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2008/.  Thanks to Éric Cholet for
getting that together.

We are looking forward to another excellent YAPC::NA and urge you to
mark your calendars now for one of North America's premiere perl
events.
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From fayland at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 16:48:52 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 08:48:52 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] [Fwd: [Perl Jobs] Senior Web Developer (onsite),
	Beijing (PRC), Beijing]
Message-ID: <476718F4.8030104@gmail.com>



-------- Original Message --------
Subject: 	[Perl Jobs] Senior Web Developer (onsite), Beijing (PRC), Beijing
Date: 	Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:48:53 -0800 (PST)
From: 	Perl Jobs <jobs-admin at perl.org>
To: 	jobs at perl.org



Online URL for this job: http://jobs.perl.org/job/7547

To subscribe to this list, send mail to jobs-subscribe at perl.org.
To unsubscribe, send mail to jobs-unsubscribe at perl.org.

Posted: December 17, 2007

Job title: Senior Web Developer

Company name:
&#31859;&#31515;&#38597;&#36798;&#36798;&#31185;&#25216;&#21457;&#23637;&#6
5288;&#21271;&#20140;&#65289;&#26377;&#38480;&#20844;

Location: Beijing (PRC), Beijing

Travel: 0-25%

Terms of employment: Salaried employee

Length of employment: 12 months

Hours: Full time

Onsite: yes

Description:
This is an exciting opportunity to join our dynamic team.

Dada is a multinational media company leader in online communities and
mobile entertainment services.

The flagship service Dada.net is currently online in 16 countries and
counts over 7 million subscribers.  

Dada is headquartered in Florence (Italy) and present throughout Europe,
with offices in Barcelona, London, New York, Rio de Janeiro, Beijing and
Sidney.

We're currently looking for a Senior Web Developer for our Chinese market.

The ideal candidate would have experience with Linux, HTML and Open Source
systems, and have been developing applications for the web over the last
five years.

Experience in the Mobile Entertainment (SP) sector would be an advantage.

Required skills:
* IT or electronics background

* Good knowledge of PHP, Perl, HTML and Javascript

* Skills in the Web User Interfaces

* Fluent in written and spoken English is a MUST



You Are:

* A highly driven self starter

* Results focused

* Willing to work in a dynamic and exciting environment



Desired skills:
* Passion for the Internet, new technologies and systems integration

* Interest and experience in community sites, especially in the consumer
entertainment (web & mobile) field



URL for more information: http://dada.dada.net/en/

Contact information at:
http://jobs.perl.org/job/7547#contact







-- 
Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ 


From stevenzyk at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 18:07:11 2007
From: stevenzyk at gmail.com (Steven Zhu)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:07:11 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
	=?gb2312?b?x/PW+sjnus6/ydLUtsHIodPKz+TW0NPKvP6woQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <c0d775f40712120238r7a7f908bg98b78d2780631610@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f870e20712120229q64c13256rba6f2e7b2ecb5fed@mail.gmail.com>
	<c0d775f40712120238r7a7f908bg98b78d2780631610@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4f870e20712171807g27fabd87n22b18134615ed02c@mail.gmail.com>

我是想登录到exchange 上的

在07-12-12，truncatei at gmail.com <truncatei at gmail.com> 写道：
>
> 模块：Net::POP3 - Post Office Protocol 3 Client class
> 下面是pod文档里的例子：
>
>     use Net::POP3;
>
>     # Constructors
>     $pop = Net::POP3->
> new('pop3host');
>     $pop = Net::POP3->new('pop3host', Timeout
> => 60);
>
>     if ($pop->login(
> $username, $password) > 0)
> {
>       my $msgnums = $pop->list; # hashref of msgnum => size
>       foreach my $msgnum
> (keys %$msgnums) {
>         my $msg
>  = $pop->get($msgnum
> );
>         print @$msg;
>         $pop->
> delete($msgnum);
>       }
>     }
>
>     $pop->quit;
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2007 6:29 PM, Steven Zhu <stevenzyk at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 我想读取邮箱中的邮件，提取邮件中的信息，不知道如何可以读取邮件哪
> >
>
>
> --
> 如果觉得无聊，您不妨访问Google Reader消遣 http://www.google.com/reader/view
> 要尝试黑版本Google，请访问 http://www.google.com/custom?q=&sa=Search&client=pub-4021907304270164&forid=1&channel=7519554017&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&cof=GALT%3A%23FF9900%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%230033FF%3BVLC%3ACC9900%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3A000000%3BLBGC%3A000000%3BALC%3AFFFFFF%3BLC%3AFFFFFF%3BT%3ACCCCCC%3BGFNT%3A33CC00%3BGIMP%3A33CC00%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en
>
> _______________________________________________
> China-pm mailing list
> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>



-- 
BR
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From truncatei at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 18:20:31 2007
From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 10:20:31 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
	=?gb2312?b?x/PW+sjnus6/ydLUtsHIodPKz+TW0NPKvP6woQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <4f870e20712171807g27fabd87n22b18134615ed02c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4f870e20712120229q64c13256rba6f2e7b2ecb5fed@mail.gmail.com>
	<c0d775f40712120238r7a7f908bg98b78d2780631610@mail.gmail.com>
	<4f870e20712171807g27fabd87n22b18134615ed02c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0d775f40712171820p5f2fb5f0ra5fa24dea49ecbcb@mail.gmail.com>

我没用过Exchange(对微软有抵触情绪，哈哈)
如果是POP3方式，都是这样做的

而且win下ActivePerl有Win32之类的模块，可以直接调用COM的函数，只要Exchange提供了相应的COM接口，你想做什么都可以的

On Dec 18, 2007 10:07 AM, Steven Zhu <stevenzyk at gmail.com> wrote:

> 我是想登录到exchange 上的
>
> 在07-12-12，truncatei at gmail.com <truncatei at gmail.com> 写道：
> >
> > 模块：Net::POP3 - Post Office Protocol 3 Client class
> > 下面是pod文档里的例子：
> >
> >     use Net::POP3;
> >
> >     # Constructors
> >     $pop = Net::POP3->
> > new('pop3host');
> >     $pop = Net::POP3->new('pop3host', Timeout
> > => 60);
> >
> >     if ($pop->login(
> > $username, $password) > 0)
> > {
> >       my $msgnums = $pop->list; # hashref of msgnum => size
> >       foreach my $msgnum
> > (keys %$msgnums) {
> >         my $msg
> >  = $pop->get($msgnum
> > );
> >         print @$msg;
> >         $pop->
> > delete($msgnum);
> >       }
> >     }
> >
> >     $pop->quit;
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2007 6:29 PM, Steven Zhu <stevenzyk at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > 我想读取邮箱中的邮件，提取邮件中的信息，不知道如何可以读取邮件哪
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > 如果觉得无聊，您不妨访问Google Reader消遣 http://www.google.com/reader/view
> > 要尝试黑版本Google，请访问 http://www.google.com/custom?q=&sa=Search&client=pub-4021907304270164&forid=1&channel=7519554017&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&cof=GALT%3A%23FF9900%3BGL%3A1%3BDIV%3A%230033FF%3BVLC%3ACC9900%3BAH%3Acenter%3BBGC%3A000000%3BLBGC%3A000000%3BALC%3AFFFFFF%3BLC%3AFFFFFF%3BT%3ACCCCCC%3BGFNT%3A33CC00%3BGIMP%3A33CC00%3BFORID%3A1%3B&hl=en
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From fayland at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 19:13:56 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 11:13:56 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Perl 10 Years Tomorrow!
Message-ID: <47673AF4.8090308@gmail.com>

http://perlbuzz.com/2007/12/tomorrows-a-big-day.html

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From shijialee at gmail.com  Mon Dec 17 19:28:39 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang ( James ) Li)
Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 22:28:39 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] Perl 10 Years Tomorrow!
In-Reply-To: <47673AF4.8090308@gmail.com>
References: <47673AF4.8090308@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47673E67.30300@gmail.com>

Perl 20 岁生日, Perl 5.10 应该是在同一天发布!

我们多伦多的 Perl 用户组 18 号会聚在一起来庆祝,有带生日蛋糕 :)

Qiang

Fayland Lam wrote:
> http://perlbuzz.com/2007/12/tomorrows-a-big-day.html
> 

From pangj at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 18 06:19:01 2007
From: pangj at earthlink.net (Jeff Pang)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 09:19:01 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?5rGC5Yqp5aaC5L2V5Y+v5Lul6K+75Y+W6YKu566x?=
 =?utf-8?b?5Lit6YKu5Lu25ZWK?=
Message-ID: <28449344.1197987541972.JavaMail.root@elwamui-milano.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

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From jiezhou at uchicago.edu  Tue Dec 18 16:17:47 2007
From: jiezhou at uchicago.edu (Jie Zhou)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:17:47 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi guys,

Cheers! On perl's 10 year old birthday!

Best,
klaus

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Steve Peters <steve at fisharerojo.org>
Date: Dec 18, 2007 2:24 PM
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
To: chicago-talk at pm.org


After years of hard work, its finally here!  Its making its way around
through the various CPAN mirrors.  There are also some torrents
available as well if you are so inclined.  Please see the thread at
http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2007-12/msg00414.html
for more information.

Enjoy!

Steve Peters
steve at fisharerojo.org
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From jiezhou at uchicago.edu  Tue Dec 18 16:21:26 2007
From: jiezhou at uchicago.edu (Jie Zhou)
Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:21:26 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <35d811aa0712181621y3a319544vc4da6907e692ec9e@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, I made a mistake. It's 20th birthday of perl!

On Dec 18, 2007 7:17 PM, Jie Zhou <jiezhou at uchicago.edu> wrote:

> Hi guys,
>
> Cheers! On perl's 10 year old birthday!
>
> Best,
> klaus
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Steve Peters <steve at fisharerojo.org>
> Date: Dec 18, 2007 2:24 PM
> Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
> To: chicago-talk at pm.org
>
>
> After years of hard work, its finally here!  Its making its way around
> through the various CPAN mirrors.  There are also some torrents
> available as well if you are so inclined.  Please see the thread at
> http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2007-12/msg00414.html
>
> for more information.
>
> Enjoy!
>
> Steve Peters
> steve at fisharerojo.org
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> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
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From truncatei at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 19:40:43 2007
From: truncatei at gmail.com (truncatei)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:40:43 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <35d811aa0712181621y3a319544vc4da6907e692ec9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181621y3a319544vc4da6907e692ec9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c0d775f40712181940i1b781e7ar732b15bd9cc41b3@mail.gmail.com>

Great!


> >
> > After years of hard work, its finally here!  Its making its way around
> > through the various CPAN mirrors.  There are also some torrents
> > available as well if you are so inclined.  Please see the thread at
> > http://www.xray.mpe.mpg.de/mailing-lists/perl5-porters/2007-12/msg00414.html
> >
> > for more information.
> >
> > Enjoy!
> >
> > Steve Peters
> > steve at fisharerojo.org
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >
> >
>
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From wanmyome at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 20:18:38 2007
From: wanmyome at gmail.com (Wan Chaowei)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:18:38 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com>

What new features in Perl 5.10 Release


From fayland at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 20:20:53 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 12:20:53 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47689C25.4030202@gmail.com>

Wan Chaowei wrote:
> What new features in Perl 5.10 Release
>   


http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod 
<http://search.cpan.org/%7Ergarcia/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod>
 

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From bruce1914 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 23:20:15 2007
From: bruce1914 at gmail.com (Bruce Cheng)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:20:15 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <47689C25.4030202@gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com> <47689C25.4030202@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9817fb830712182320y43d39539p7b9b3061c3ee9f88@mail.gmail.com>

Cheers!!!

2007/12/19, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com>:
>
> Wan Chaowei wrote:
> > What new features in Perl 5.10 Release
> >
>
>
> http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod
> <http://search.cpan.org/%7Ergarcia/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod>
>
>
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>
>
> --
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>
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From jzhang533 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 23:30:16 2007
From: jzhang533 at gmail.com (jzhang)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:30:16 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <9817fb830712182320y43d39539p7b9b3061c3ee9f88@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com> <47689C25.4030202@gmail.com>
	<9817fb830712182320y43d39539p7b9b3061c3ee9f88@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dc27da840712182330t764a77fbq34840f980f3d141@mail.gmail.com>

https://svn.unixbeard.net/richardc/perl/perl-1/Wishlist

date support
case statement
ioctl() support
random numbers
directory reading via <>

case statement花了好长时间啊~ 呵呵



On Dec 19, 2007 3:20 PM, Bruce Cheng <bruce1914 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Cheers!!!
>
>
> 2007/12/19, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com>:
>
> > Wan Chaowei wrote:
> > > What new features in Perl 5.10 Release
> > >
> >
> >
> > http://search.cpan.org/~rgarcia/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod
> > <http://search.cpan.org/%7Ergarcia/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod >
> >
> >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > China-pm mailing list
> > > China-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>

From easunlee at gmail.com  Tue Dec 18 23:53:27 2007
From: easunlee at gmail.com (Eaun Lee)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:53:27 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <dc27da840712182330t764a77fbq34840f980f3d141@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com> <47689C25.4030202@gmail.com>
	<9817fb830712182320y43d39539p7b9b3061c3ee9f88@mail.gmail.com>
	<dc27da840712182330t764a77fbq34840f980f3d141@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b0d462cd0712182353rdd6ac0dv1f0992ad41944615@mail.gmail.com>

Great!

From cnhacktnt at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 03:15:30 2007
From: cnhacktnt at gmail.com (cnhack TNT)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 19:15:30 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f6f3441f0712190315t33dcf387j64b4cc3aa9990ee5@mail.gmail.com>

Also check:
http://www.slideshare.net/acme/whats-new-in-perl-510
and
http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane
-----

Happy birthday to Perl!

On Dec 19, 2007 12:18 PM, Wan Chaowei <wanmyome at gmail.com> wrote:
> What new features in Perl 5.10 Release
>
> _______________________________________________
> China-pm mailing list
> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm

From shijialee at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 12:28:00 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang (James) Li)
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:28:00 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <f6f3441f0712190315t33dcf387j64b4cc3aa9990ee5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com>
	<f6f3441f0712190315t33dcf387j64b4cc3aa9990ee5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4ab5ddef0712191228u21bf556aj971aca2ff11b8cd8@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/59311851 at N00/2122542077/in/set-72157603501775171/

没想到昨天晚上吃的生日蛋糕就是在 perlbuzz 上贴的那个。:)

Qiang

On Dec 19, 2007 6:15 AM, cnhack TNT <cnhacktnt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Also check:
> http://www.slideshare.net/acme/whats-new-in-perl-510
> and
> http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane
> -----
>
> Happy birthday to Perl!
>
>
> On Dec 19, 2007 12:18 PM, Wan Chaowei <wanmyome at gmail.com> wrote:
> > What new features in Perl 5.10 Release
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> _______________________________________________
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From robbiecn at gmail.com  Wed Dec 19 17:41:07 2007
From: robbiecn at gmail.com (=?GB2312?B?s8LRp8fb?=)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:41:07 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
In-Reply-To: <f6f3441f0712190315t33dcf387j64b4cc3aa9990ee5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd7a59d30712181124v433f1181r65670051cc2b4a49@mail.gmail.com>
	<35d811aa0712181617q45699d7fj402e22c27a0cb67c@mail.gmail.com>
	<47689B9E.8030007@gmail.com>
	<f6f3441f0712190315t33dcf387j64b4cc3aa9990ee5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ad4b44350712191741p5e62edf8k54a3919178b88581@mail.gmail.com>

2007/12/19, cnhack TNT <cnhacktnt at gmail.com>:
> Also check:
> http://www.slideshare.net/acme/whats-new-in-perl-510
> and
> http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane
昨天下了Perl 5.10.0的源代码,浏览了AUTHORS,有918个,各行各业的人都有,真是集大成者阿.
看了中文多字节部分的变更,摘抄一段

[引用]
另外, 利用 encoding 模块, 你可以轻易写出以字符为单位的程序码, 如下所示:

    #!/usr/bin/env perl
    # 启动 euc-cn 字串解析; 标准输出入及标准错误都设为 euc-cn 编码
    use encoding 'euc-cn', STDIN => 'euc-cn', STDOUT => 'euc-cn';
    print length("骆驼");        #  2 (双引号表示字符)
    print length('骆驼');        #  4 (单引号表示字节)
    print index("谆谆教诲", "蛔唤"); # -1 (不包含此子字符串)
    print index('谆谆教诲', '蛔唤'); #  1 (从第二个字节开始)

在最后一列例子里, "谆" 的第二个字节与 "谆" 的第一个字节结合成 EUC-CN
码的 "蛔"; "谆" 的第二个字节则与 "教" 的第一个字节结合成 "唤".
这解决了以前 EUC-CN 码比对处理上常见的问题.

[/引用]

怎么无缝的从5.8.8升级到5.10.0,只需要将5.10.0的runtime 安装到系统目录下,然后将之前的perl 模块路径加到系统配置中吗?谁有经验,赐教
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From shijialee at gmail.com  Thu Dec 20 06:19:33 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang (James) Li)
Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2007 09:19:33 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] Fwd: [Chicago-talk] Perl 5.10 Released
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On Dec 19, 2007 8:41 PM, 陈学芹 <robbiecn at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> 怎么无缝的从5.8.8升级到5.10.0,只需要将5.10.0的runtime 安装到系统目录下,然后将之前的perl 模块路径加到系统配置中吗?谁有经验,赐教

和平时 Perl 的安装一样，一台机器里并存不同版本的 Perl 很普通。一般两种方法实现：
1. 共享其他 Perl 安装的模快。一般纯 Perl 模快可以跨不同版本共享。但编译的模快就只是在主要的版本内共享，即 5.8.*
间可以共享。但 5.8.* 和 5.6.* 就不可以。
2. 安装完全独立于其他 Perl 的版本。我一般用的是这种方法，比较干净,易于在不同机器间安装。

至于每种方法的具体安装方法请参考 Perl 的 INSTALL 文件。

Qiang

From jiezhou at uchicago.edu  Thu Dec 20 23:26:44 2007
From: jiezhou at uchicago.edu (Jie Zhou)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 02:26:44 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] Perl 5.10 News Release Translation
Message-ID: <35d811aa0712202326x45b12676xab189f699b1bed37@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Below is the translated ful version of the news release, there are several
places that I'm not quite sure, so hope you guys can look over it and let me
know your comments. *Please be sure not to post it anywhere before Qiang
post the final version on perlchina.org.*

BTW: I rememberd that I asked Chunzi for an email at perlchina.org, and he
gave me one, it's something like jiezhou at perlchina.org. I thought it would
be nice to leave that mail address on this translated article, however when
I tried to login that mailbox, it didn't exist. Did the email system delete
previous accounts?

Best,
Jie

Here starts the translated news release:


*Perl 5.10 now available*

*Perl 5.10**发布***

* *

*出处：**http://news.perlfoundation.org/2007/12/perl_510_now_available.html*

*翻译：中国**Perl**协会**   (PerlChina.org)   Jie Zhou (jzhou722 at gmail.com)*



Today the Perl Foundation announces the release of Perl 5.10, the first
major upgrade to the wildly popular dynamic programming language in over
five years. This latest version builds on the successful 5.8.x series by
adding powerful new language features and improving the Perl interpreter
itself. The Perl development team, called the Perl Porters, has taken
features and inspiration from the ambitious Perl
6<http://dev.perl.org/perl6/>project, as well as from chiefly academic
languages and blended them with
Perl's pragmatic view to practicality and usefulness.

今天Perl基金会公布了Perl的5.10版本，该版本是这门广为流行的动态语言五年多来的首次主要升级。最新的版本不仅在已经非常成功的5.8.x
的基础上添加了强大的新功能，而且对Perl解释器本身也进行了改进。Perl的开发团队，又称为Perl Porters，从雄心勃勃的Perl 6
项目，以及其他的主要流行语言中，吸取了特性和灵感，并将它们融入了Perl语言实用为上的理念之中。

Significant new language features

The most exciting change is the new *smart match operator*. It implements a
new kind of comparison, the specifics of which are contextual based on the
inputs to the operator. For example, to find if scalar $needle is in array
@haystack, simply use the new ~~ operator:

  if ( $needle ~~ @haystack ) ...

The result is that all comparisons now just Do The Right Thing, a hallmark
of Perl programming. Building on the smart-match operator, Perl *finally
gets a **switch** statement*, and it goes far beyond the kind of traditional
switch statement found in languages like C, C++ and Java.

显著的新语言特性

最令人兴奋的改进是全新的*智能匹配操作符*(*smart match operator*)
。该操作符实现了一种全新的比较方式，而其具体实现是随操作符接受的输入而有所不同的。举例而言，要看标量$needle是否存在于数组@haystack
中，只要使用新的~~操作符：

  if ( $needle ~~ @haystack ) ...

其结果将会"正如你所愿"，而这正是Perl语言一贯的标志性做法。在此操作符的基础之上，Perl语言终于有了switch语句，而且它比任何传统的
switch语句，像C，C++和JAVA拥有的那些，要先进得多。

Regular expressions are now far more powerful. Programmers can now use *named
captures* in regular expressions, rather than counting parentheses for
positional captures. Perl 5.10 also supports recursive patterns, making many
useful constructs, especially in parsing, now possible. Even with these new
features, the regular expression engine has been tweaked, tuned and sped up
in many cases.

正则表达式也变得强大了许多。程序员们现在可以在正则表达式中使用用*命名的捕获变量**(named captures)*
，而不是数括号来获知匹配的捕获变量。Perl 5.10
还支持嵌套匹配，使得我们现在可以使用许多有效的匹配结构，尤其是解析文件时需要的一些模式，除了这些改进之外，正则表达引擎本身也做了精心调整，很多情况下将它将会跑得更快。

Other improvements include *state variables* that allow variables to persist
between calls to subroutines; user defined pragmata that allow users to
write modules to influence the way Perl behaves; a *defined-or operator*;
field hashes for inside-out objects and *better error messages*.

其他的改进包括可在函数内持续的*状态变量**(state variable)*，使用户可以自己调整Perl运行方式的*用户自定义**pragmata*
，重新定义的*or**操作符*，为翻转对象（inside-out objects）提供的*符号哈希表**(field hashes)*，以及*
改进的错误信息*。

Interpreter improvements

It's not just language changes. The Perl interpreter itself is *faster with
a smaller memory footprint*, and has several UTF-8 and threading
improvements. The Perl *installation is now relocatable*, a blessing for
systems administrators and operating system packagers. The source code is
more portable, and of course many small bugs have been fixed along the way.
It all adds up to the best Perl yet.

For a list of all changes in Perl 5.10, see Perl 5.10's
perldelta<http://search.cpan.org/dist/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod>document
included with the source distribution. For a gentler introduction
of just the high points, the slides for Ricardo Signes' Perl 5.10 For People
Who Aren't Totally
Insane<http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane>talk
are well worth reading.

解释器的改进

并非只有程序语言的改进，Perl解释器本身已变得更快，更少内存占用(memory footprint)，还有了一些UTF-8及线程方面的改进。Perl
的安装方式变成了可移动的，这给系统管理员以及操作系统制作者们来说实在是大好消息。源代码现在变得更易移植，很多小bug
也被顺手改正了。所有这一切都造就了目前为止最棒的Perl.

想要了解关于5.10所有的改动，请看Perl 5.10源代码版本中自带的perldelta文档。(link:
http://search.cpan.org/dist/perl-5.10.0/pod/perl5100delta.pod)
想看简易介绍，或者精华版的话， Ricardo Signes'的讲义Perl 5.10 For People Who Aren't Totally
Insane<http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane>(link:
http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/perl-510-for-people-who-arent-totally-insane)
值得一读。

Don't think that the Perl Porters are resting on their laurels. As Rafael
Garcia-Suarez, the release manager for Perl 5.10, said: "I would like to
thank every one of the Perl Porters for their efforts. I hope we'll all be
proud of what Perl is becoming, and ready to get back to the keyboard for
5.12."

不要以为Perl Porters们在荣耀之下就止步不前了，正如Rafeal Garcia-suarez，Perl 5.10的版本管理员所说："我想感谢Perl
Porters的所有人为此付出的艰苦努力。我希望我们能为Perl的今天感到自豪，并准备好为Perl 5.12继续奋斗。"

Where to get Perl

Perl is a standard feature in almost every operating system today except
Windows. Users who don't want to wait for their operating system vendor to
release a package can dig into Perl 5.10 by downloading it from CPAN, the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network, at http://search.cpan.org/dist/perl/, or
from the Perl home page at www.perl.org.

Windows users can also take advantage of the power of Perl by compiling a
source distribution from CPAN, or downloading one of two easily installed
binary distributions. Strawberry Perl <http://strawberryperl.com/> is a
community-built binary distribution for Windows, and
ActiveState<http://activestate.com/>'s
distribution is free but commercially-maintained. ActiveState's distribution
is available now, and Strawberry Perl's is imminent.

如何获取Perl

Perl在除Windows之外的几乎所有的操作系统里都已成为标准配置了。不过不想慢慢等待系统升级包的用户可以从CPAN（the
Comprehensive Perl Archive Network）自行下载Perl 5.10。地址是
http://search.cpan.org/dist/perl/，或者从Perl的主页www.perl.org下载。

Windows用户可以编译从CPAN获取的源代码来取得Perl，或者也可以下载两个易于安装的已编译版本中的一个。Strawberry
Perl<http://strawberryperl.com/>(link:
http://strawberryperl.com/)是用户群为Windows制作的已编译版本，而ActiveState<http://activestate.com/>(link:
http://activestate.com/)的版本同样免费但是由商业公司维护。ActiveState版本已经可以获取，Stawberry Perl
也即将完成。

Editor's notes

For questions, contact Perl Foundation Public Relations at
pr at perlfoundation.org.

Perl:
perl.org
Perl is a dynamic programming language created by Larry Wall and first
released in 1987. Perl borrows features from a variety of other languages
including C, shell scripting (sh), AWK, sed and Lisp. It is distributed with
practically every version of Unix available and runs on a huge number of
platforms, as diverse as Windows, Mac OS X, Solaris, z/OS, os400, QNX and
Symbian.

Rafael Garcia-Suarez
email: rgarciasuarez at gmail.com
Rafael Garcia-Suarez is a French software engineer who lives in Paris,
France, and who is currently employed by Booking.com. He has been a
contributor to Perl for many years and has stewarded the birth of Perl
5.10for the last few.

The Perl Foundation
perlfoundation.org <http://www.perlfoundation.org/>
The Perl Foundation is dedicated to the advancement of the Perl programming
language through open discussion, collaboration, design, and code. It is a
non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization incorporated in Holland, Michigan, USA in
2000.

编者注

问题请联系Perl基金会公共关系部  pr at perlfoundation.org

Perl:

Perl是Larry Wall创造的一门动态程序语言，首次发布与1987年。Perl借用了多种语言如C，shell(sh), AWK, sed以及
Lisp的特性。Perl已经成为基本上所有Unix系统的标准配置之一，并可以在许多的操作系统上运行，包括Windows，Mac OS X，Solaris
，z/OS，os400，QNX以及Symbian.

Rafael Garcia-Suarez
email: rgarciasuarez at gmail.com

Rafael Garcia-Suarez是一名生活在法国巴黎的软件工程师，目前是Booking.com的一名雇员。多年来他一直是Perl
的开发者之一，并在最近几年担任着Perl 5.10的管理者。

The Perl Foundation
perlfoundation.org <http://www.perlfoundation.org/>

The Perl Foundation is dedicated to the advancement of the Perl programming
language through open discussion, collaboration, design, and code. It is a
non-profit, 501(c)(3) organization incorporated in Holland, Michigan, USA in
2000.

Perl基金会一直致力于Perl程序语言的各方面的发展。它是一家成立于2000年的，位于美国密歇根州Holland的非营利性组织。



On Dec 20, 2007 10:36 PM, Qiang ( James ) Li <shijialee at gmail.com> wrote:

> the official press release is here:
>
> http://news.perlfoundation.org/2007/12/perl_510_now_available.html
>
> you can forward to other people or/and share it with the list to get a
> final view of it. then i will send it to the perlfoundation and also
> publich it on perlchina.org website.
>
> thanks!
>
> Qiang
>
>
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From lamp.purl at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 02:21:47 2007
From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (purl lamp)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 18:21:47 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] Perl 5.10 News Release Translation
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rather than counting parentheses for positional captures
而不用靠括号的位置来表达捕获到的东西

a blessing for systems administrators and operating system packagers
这对系统管理员以及操作系统集成者来说实在是好消息

and ready to get back to the keyboard for 5.12
并回去立马开始写 5.12 的草稿

community-built binary distribution for Windows
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From jiezhou at uchicago.edu  Mon Dec 24 10:37:40 2007
From: jiezhou at uchicago.edu (Jie Zhou)
Date: Mon, 24 Dec 2007 12:37:40 -0600
Subject: [PerlChina] Perl 5.10 News Release Translation
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多谢！   不过Qiang大概渡假去了。。我不知道找谁发布这个东东


On Dec 24, 2007 4:21 AM, purl lamp <lamp.purl at gmail.com> wrote:

> rather than counting parentheses for positional captures
> 而不用靠括号的位置来表达捕获到的东西
>
> a blessing for systems administrators and operating system packagers
> 这对系统管理员以及操作系统集成者来说实在是好消息
>
> and ready to get back to the keyboard for 5.12
> 并回去立马开始写 5.12 的草稿
>
> community-built binary distribution for Windows
> 社区为 Windows 开发的版本
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From yang.liana at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 22:33:05 2007
From: yang.liana at gmail.com (rorot)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:33:05 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?udjT2kRCSXg6OkNsYXNztcTSu7j2sunRr87KzOI=?=
	=?gb2312?b?oaM=?=
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诸位好，

      前段时间大家推荐DBIx::Class, 我用了，确实很好。但现在碰到一个问题。

      my $rs = $schema->resultset("table")->serach ({});

      现在有一个列叫做 permit, 如果要搜索permit & 0x4 = 1 的项，改如何写这个search呢？

rorot
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From fayland at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 22:39:41 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:39:41 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
 =?gb2312?b?udjT2kRCSXg6OkNsYXNztcTSu7j2sunRr87KzOI=?=
 =?gb2312?b?oaM=?=
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rorot wrote:
> 诸位好，
>
> 前段时间大家推荐DBIx::Class, 我用了，确实很好。但现在碰到一个问题。
>
> my $rs = $schema->resultset("table")->serach ({});
>

一般来说。这个时候你需要的是

http://search.cpan.org/~ash/DBIx-Class-0.08008/lib/DBIx/Class/ResultSet.pm#search_literal

my $rs = $schema->resultset("table")->search_literal('permit & 0x4 = 1');



> 现在有一个列叫做 permit, 如果要搜索permit & 0x4 = 1 的项，改如何写这个
> search呢？
>
> rorot
>
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From fayland at gmail.com  Mon Dec 24 22:41:58 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:41:58 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
 =?gb2312?b?udjT2kRCSXg6OkNsYXNztcTSu7j2sunRr87KzOI=?=
 =?gb2312?b?oaM=?=
In-Reply-To: <3aac2b3b0712242233u61c0feedy90faf2da10dd0708@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3aac2b3b0712242233u61c0feedy90faf2da10dd0708@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4770A636.2010707@gmail.com>

rorot wrote:
> 诸位好，
>
> 前段时间大家推荐DBIx::Class, 我用了，确实很好。但现在碰到一个问题。
>
> my $rs = $schema->resultset("table")->serach ({});


OK, I'm wrong here. better use

my $rs = $schema->resultset("table")->search({}, { where => \'permit &
0x4 = 1' });

Thanks.



>
> 现在有一个列叫做 permit, 如果要搜索permit & 0x4 = 1 的项，改如何写这个
> search呢？
>
> rorot
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
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Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/ 


From shijialee at gmail.com  Tue Dec 25 15:04:34 2007
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang (James) Li)
Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 18:04:34 -0500
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwILeisry45bet0us=?=
Message-ID: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>

hello,

PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。

翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF

希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。

新年快乐！

Qiang

From fayland at gmail.com  Tue Dec 25 16:55:44 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 08:55:44 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybCA1LjEwIOWPkeW4g+eov+e/u+ivkQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4771A690.60902@gmail.com>

Qiang (James) Li wrote:
> hello,
>
> PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
>
> 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
> http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
>   


谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。



> 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
>
> 新年快乐！
>
> Qiang
> _______________________________________________
> China-pm mailing list
> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm


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From yang.liana at gmail.com  Tue Dec 25 20:48:28 2007
From: yang.liana at gmail.com (rorot)
Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2007 12:48:28 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina]
	=?gb2312?b?udjT2kRCSXg6OkNsYXNztcTSu7j2sunRr87KzOI=?=
	=?gb2312?b?oaM=?=
In-Reply-To: <4770A636.2010707@gmail.com>
References: <3aac2b3b0712242233u61c0feedy90faf2da10dd0708@mail.gmail.com>
	<4770A636.2010707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3aac2b3b0712252048n4d19944aid3a1bc3a6f42553a@mail.gmail.com>

：） 谢谢Fayland!

On Dec 25, 2007 2:41 PM, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com> wrote:

> rorot wrote:
> > 诸位好，
> >
> > 前段时间大家推荐DBIx::Class, 我用了，确实很好。但现在碰到一个问题。
> >
> > my $rs = $schema->resultset("table")->serach ({});
>
>
> OK, I'm wrong here. better use
>
> my $rs = $schema->resultset("table")->search({}, { where => \'permit &
> 0x4 = 1' });
>
> Thanks.
>
>
>
> >
> > 现在有一个列叫做 permit, 如果要搜索permit & 0x4 = 1 的项，改如何写这个
> > search呢？
> >
> > rorot
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
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From barretz at gmail.com  Wed Dec 26 18:15:15 2007
From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 10:15:15 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybCA1LjEwIOWPkeW4g+eov+e/u+ivkQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <4771A690.60902@gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4771A690.60902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3629857d0712261815u18d09aa6tdbe29af999f4d231@mail.gmail.com>

改了一些格式的毛病，修正一些不通顺的地方。：）

On Dec 26, 2007 8:55 AM, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com> wrote:
> Qiang (James) Li wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
> >
> > 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
> > http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
> >
>
>
> 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
>
>
>
> > 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
> >
> > 新年快乐！
> >
> > Qiang
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>
>
> --
> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
> Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hoowa.sun at gmail.com  Thu Dec 27 00:46:32 2007
From: hoowa.sun at gmail.com (hoowa sun)
Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2007 16:46:32 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwILeisry45bet0us=?=
In-Reply-To: <4771A690.60902@gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4771A690.60902@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9b73a1610712270046v144e26abje4d0c8a97a78ab6a@mail.gmail.com>

好久没说话了。我发到我的Blog中。

可能有机会在CSDN的首页显示。


On 12/26/07, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Qiang (James) Li wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
> >
> > 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
> >
> http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
> >
>
>
> 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
>
>
>
> > 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
> >
> > 新年快乐！
> >
> > Qiang
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>
>
> --
> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
> Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
>
> _______________________________________________
> China-pm mailing list
> China-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
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From barretz at gmail.com  Fri Dec 28 23:56:59 2007
From: barretz at gmail.com (Barret)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 15:56:59 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybCA1LjEwIOWPkeW4g+eov+e/u+ivkQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <9b73a1610712270046v144e26abje4d0c8a97a78ab6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4771A690.60902@gmail.com>
	<9b73a1610712270046v144e26abje4d0c8a97a78ab6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3629857d0712282356y2dcecdcfo1055863f15acc227@mail.gmail.com>

http://news.csdn.net/n/20071228/112240.html

 Perl的语法灵活性有时使它变得难以阅读，而像Python由于固定的语法结构在这些年已经胜过了Perl。而且Web开发的脚本语言比如PHP、Ruby等也已经开始渐渐取代了Perl一度拥有的优势。20年来Perl的境况每况愈下，到今天已如残烛。
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~瀑布汗。

On 12/27/07, hoowa sun <hoowa.sun at gmail.com> wrote:
> 好久没说话了。我发到我的Blog中。
>
> 可能有机会在CSDN的首页显示。
>
>
> On 12/26/07, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Qiang (James) Li wrote:
> > > hello,
> > >
> > > PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
> > >
> > > 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
> > >
> > http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
> > >
> >
> >
> > 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
> >
> >
> >
> > > 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
> > >
> > > 新年快乐！
> > >
> > > Qiang
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > China-pm mailing list
> > > China-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >
> >
> > --
> > Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
> > Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > China-pm mailing list
> > China-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>


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From ximiff at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 00:03:24 2007
From: ximiff at gmail.com (ximiff)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:03:24 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwILeisry45bet0us=?=
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4771A690.60902@gmail.com>,
	<9b73a1610712270046v144e26abje4d0c8a97a78ab6a@mail.gmail.com>,
	<3629857d0712282356y2dcecdcfo1055863f15acc227@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200712291603211401489@gmail.com>

的确是被放到CSDN首页了，还被加上了第一段。。。无语




ximiff
2007-12-29



发件人： Barret
发送时间： 2007-12-29 15:58:40
收件人： china-pm at pm.org
抄送： 
主题： Re: [PerlChina]Perl 5.10 发布稿翻译

http://news.csdn.net/n/20071228/112240.html

 Perl的语法灵活性有时使它变得难以阅读，而像Python由于固定的语法结构在这些年已经胜过了Perl。而且Web开发的脚本语言比如PHP、Ruby等也已经开始渐渐取代了Perl一度拥有的优势。20年来Perl的境况每况愈下，到今天已如残烛。
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~瀑布汗。

On 12/27/07, hoowa sun  <hoowa.sun at gmail.com > wrote:
> 好久没说话了。我发到我的Blog中。
>
> 可能有机会在CSDN的首页显示。
>
>
> On 12/26/07, Fayland Lam  <fayland at gmail.com > wrote:
>  >
>  > Qiang (James) Li wrote:
>  >  > hello,
>  >  >
>  >  > PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
>  >  >
>  >  > 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
>  >  >
>  > http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
>  >  >
>  >
>  >
>  > 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
>  >
>  >
>  >
>  >  > 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
>  >  >
>  >  > 新年快乐！
>  >  >
>  >  > Qiang
>  >  > _______________________________________________
>  >  > China-pm mailing list
>  >  > China-pm at pm.org
>  >  > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>  > Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
>  >
>  > _______________________________________________
>  > China-pm mailing list
>  > China-pm at pm.org
>  > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>


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From fayland at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 00:15:20 2007
From: fayland at gmail.com (Fayland Lam)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:15:20 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwILeisry45bet0us=?=
In-Reply-To: <200712291603211401489@gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>,
	<4771A690.60902@gmail.com>,
	<9b73a1610712270046v144e26abje4d0c8a97a78ab6a@mail.gmail.com>,
	<3629857d0712282356y2dcecdcfo1055863f15acc227@mail.gmail.com>
	<200712291603211401489@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47760218.5050505@gmail.com>

ximiff wrote:
> 的确是被放到CSDN首页了，还被加上了第一段。。。无语



无所谓了。CSDN 永远是 Java 和 .Net 的天下。其他的一概无视。尤其是 Perl.
半点资料都是很难找到。对技术一点都不中立。




> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ximiff
> 2007-12-29
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *发件人：* Barret
> *发送时间：* 2007-12-29 15:58:40
> *收件人：* china-pm at pm.org
> *抄送：*
> *主题：* Re: [PerlChina]Perl 5.10 发布稿翻译
> http://news.csdn.net/n/20071228/112240.html
> Perl的语法灵活性有时使它变得难以阅读，而像Python由于固定的语法结构在这
> 些年已经胜过了Perl。而且Web开发的脚本语言比如PHP、Ruby等也已经开始渐渐
> 取代了Perl一度拥有的优势。20年来Perl的境况每况愈下，到今天已如残烛。
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~瀑布汗。
> On 12/27/07, hoowa sun <hoowa.sun at gmail.com > wrote:
> > 好久没说话了。我发到我的Blog中。
> >
> > 可能有机会在CSDN的首页显示。
> >
> >
> > On 12/26/07, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > Qiang (James) Li wrote:
> > > > hello,
> > > >
> > > > PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成
> 为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
> > > >
> > > > 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
> > > >
> > >
> http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注
> 册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
> > > >
> > > > 新年快乐！
> > > >
> > > > Qiang
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > China-pm mailing list
> > > > China-pm at pm.org
> > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
> > > Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > China-pm mailing list
> > > China-pm at pm.org
> > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >
> -- 
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From cnhacktnt at gmail.com  Sat Dec 29 05:12:02 2007
From: cnhacktnt at gmail.com (cnhacktnt)
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 21:12:02 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?utf-8?b?UGVybCA1LjEwIOWPkeW4g+eov+e/u+ivkQ==?=
In-Reply-To: <3629857d0712282356y2dcecdcfo1055863f15acc227@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>	<4771A690.60902@gmail.com>	<9b73a1610712270046v144e26abje4d0c8a97a78ab6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3629857d0712282356y2dcecdcfo1055863f15acc227@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <477647A2.2050502@gmail.com>

也难怪，这是个娱乐时代，我宁愿善意地认为该文的作者是为了吸引眼球，引发讨论
也许，CSDN的记者是按文章回复数提成的？

LOL～


Barret wrote:
> http://news.csdn.net/n/20071228/112240.html
>
>  Perl的语法灵活性有时使它变得难以阅读，而像Python由于固定的语法结构在这些年已经胜过了Perl。而且Web开发的脚本语言比如PHP、Ruby等也已经开始渐渐取代了Perl一度拥有的优势。20年来Perl的境况每况愈下，到今天已如残烛。
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~瀑布汗。
>
> On 12/27/07, hoowa sun <hoowa.sun at gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> 好久没说话了。我发到我的Blog中。
>>
>> 可能有机会在CSDN的首页显示。
>>
>>
>> On 12/26/07, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com> wrote:
>>     
>>> Qiang (James) Li wrote:
>>>       
>>>> hello,
>>>>
>>>> PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
>>>>
>>>> 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
>>>       
>>> 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
>>>>
>>>> 新年快乐！
>>>>
>>>> Qiang
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> China-pm mailing list
>>>> China-pm at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>>>>         
>>> --
>>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
>>> Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> China-pm mailing list
>>> China-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
>>>       
>
>
>   


From lamp.purl at gmail.com  Sun Dec 30 17:41:12 2007
From: lamp.purl at gmail.com (purl lamp)
Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 09:41:12 +0800
Subject: [PerlChina] =?gb2312?b?UGVybCA1LjEwILeisry45bet0us=?=
In-Reply-To: <477647A2.2050502@gmail.com>
References: <4ab5ddef0712251504k725cf008ia3a0e673fc4403d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<4771A690.60902@gmail.com>
	<9b73a1610712270046v144e26abje4d0c8a97a78ab6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<3629857d0712282356y2dcecdcfo1055863f15acc227@mail.gmail.com>
	<477647A2.2050502@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <367185060712301741x3989d37ene20a95d824035fda@mail.gmail.com>

最后一句可以理解成一个激发人的怜悯心的广告 :D
也是一个善意的提醒，2008年我们也许应该把注意力放在恢复影响力方面。

在07-12-29，cnhacktnt <cnhacktnt at gmail.com> 写道：
>
> 也难怪，这是个娱乐时代，我宁愿善意地认为该文的作者是为了吸引眼球，引发讨论
> 也许，CSDN的记者是按文章回复数提成的？
>
> LOL～
>
>
> Barret wrote:
> > http://news.csdn.net/n/20071228/112240.html
> >
>
> >  Perl的语法灵活性有时使它变得难以阅读，而像Python由于固定的语法结构在这些年已经胜过了Perl。而且Web开发的脚本语言比如PHP、Ruby等也已经开始渐渐取代了Perl一度拥有的优势。20年来Perl的境况每况愈下，到今天已如残烛。
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~瀑布汗。
> >
> > On 12/27/07, hoowa sun <hoowa.sun at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 好久没说话了。我发到我的Blog中。
> >>
> >> 可能有机会在CSDN的首页显示。
> >>
> >>
> >> On 12/26/07, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Qiang (James) Li wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> hello,
> >>>>
> >>>> PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
> >>>>
> >>>> 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
> >>>
> >>> 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
> >>>>
> >>>> 新年快乐！
> >>>>
> >>>> Qiang
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> China-pm mailing list
> >>>> China-pm at pm.org
> >>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/china-pm
> >>>>
> >>> --
> >>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/
> >>> Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
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web开发上面感觉catalyst确实还是不那么handy的。
不过风中残烛这也太e了。丫一定没上过cpan

purl lamp 写道:
> 最后一句可以理解成一个激发人的怜悯心的广告 :D
> 也是一个善意的提醒，2008年我们也许应该把注意力放在恢复影响力方面。
>
> 在07-12-29，*cnhacktnt* <cnhacktnt at gmail.com
> <mailto:cnhacktnt at gmail.com>> 写道：
>
>     也难怪，这是个娱乐时代，我宁愿善意地认为该文的作者是为了吸引眼球，
>     引发讨论
>     也许，CSDN的记者是按文章回复数提成的？
>
>     LOL～
>
>
>     Barret wrote:
>     > http://news.csdn.net/n/20071228/112240.html
>     >
>     > Perl的语法灵活性有时使它变得难以阅读，而像Python由于固定的语法结
>     构在这些年已经胜过了Perl。而且Web开发的脚本语言比如 PHP、Ruby等也
>     已经开始渐渐取代了Perl一度拥有的优势。20年来Perl的境况每况愈下，到
>     今天已如残烛。
>     > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~瀑布汗。
>     >
>     > On 12/27/07, hoowa sun <hoowa.sun at gmail.com
>     <mailto:hoowa.sun at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >
>     >> 好久没说话了。我发到我的Blog中。
>     >>
>     >> 可能有机会在CSDN的首页显示。
>     >>
>     >>
>     >> On 12/26/07, Fayland Lam <fayland at gmail.com
>     <mailto:fayland at gmail.com>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >>> Qiang (James) Li wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>>> hello,
>     >>>>
>     >>>> PerlChina 的 klaus 已经翻译了 Perl 5.10 的发布稿，这个发布稿
>     会成为 Perl 基金会的多国语言翻译的一部分。
>     >>>>
>     >>>> 翻译我已经放到 perlchina 的 wiki 站，
>     >>>>
>     >>>>
>     >>>
>     http://wiki.perlchina.org/index.php/Perl_5.10_%E5%8F%91%E5%B8%83%E7%A8%BF
>     >>>
>     >>> 谁有关系可以试试去程序员发布下。
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>
>     >>>> 希望大家审阅一下。你可以直接在 wiki 上修改（没注册的用户需要
>     先注册），然后我大概会在1月2号左右将最后结果转给 Perl 基金会。
>     >>>>
>     >>>> 新年快乐！
>     >>>>
>     >>>> Qiang
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>     >>> --
>     >>> Fayland Lam // http://www.fayland.org/ <http://www.fayland.org/>
>     >>> Foorum based on Catalyst // http://www.foorumbbs.com/
>     >>>
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