From mikefrag at gmail.com  Wed Dec  7 13:30:59 2022
From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 15:30:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup.com will shut down the Chicago Perl Meetup
 group tomorrow
Message-ID: <CAAKpS=5_nCF_mtEfrDArndUDfHvhR5XXUQSYZzxuBOuhrNc61g@mail.gmail.com>

I've gotten emails from Meetup.com about this, but have ignored & forgotten
about them. But we now only have a day left to "save" it. I'm not sure what
happens if we don't; whether the page and comments (
https://www.meetup.com/chicagopm) will be deleted entirely, or just locked,
or what.

To keep it going is $70 for 6 months. I'm willing to pony up, for now, but
only if we intend to use it.

Any thoughts?

We still have this mailing list (although I don't know who/what is
maintaining this) and http://chicago.pm.org/. (Doug, that's you, right?)

-- Mike F.
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From andy at petdance.com  Wed Dec  7 19:28:50 2022
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2022 21:28:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup.com will shut down the Chicago Perl
 Meetup group tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAAKpS=5_nCF_mtEfrDArndUDfHvhR5XXUQSYZzxuBOuhrNc61g@mail.gmail.com>
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> 
> To keep it going is $70 for 6 months. I'm willing to pony up, for now, but only if we intend to use it.
> 



We have no meetings. I see no reason for Meetup. :-(

Andy

From richard at rushlogistics.com  Thu Dec  8 05:33:11 2022
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2022 08:33:11 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup.com will shut down the Chicago Perl
 Meetup group tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <7B668742-797C-4646-9F32-4AF327611877@petdance.com>
References: <CAAKpS=5_nCF_mtEfrDArndUDfHvhR5XXUQSYZzxuBOuhrNc61g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <1670506391.pxkmhzxq0wkkww8w@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>

We can still propose or call a meeting by sending out an email to chicago-talk at pm.org, correct?






On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 21:28:50 -0600, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

>
> To keep it going is $70 for 6 months. I'm willing to pony up, for now, but only if we intend to use it.
>



We have no meetings. I see no reason for Meetup. :-(

Andy
_______________________________________________
Chicago-talk mailing list
Chicago-talk at pm.org
https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
?

From mikefrag at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 06:18:16 2022
From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 08:18:16 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup.com will shut down the Chicago Perl
 Meetup group tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <1670506391.pxkmhzxq0wkkww8w@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
References: <CAAKpS=5_nCF_mtEfrDArndUDfHvhR5XXUQSYZzxuBOuhrNc61g@mail.gmail.com>
 <7B668742-797C-4646-9F32-4AF327611877@petdance.com>
 <1670506391.pxkmhzxq0wkkww8w@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
Message-ID: <CAAKpS=7j34h+F1Oo9217ZLp979g83r73AWDgPMxxmYcBsRZ6ug@mail.gmail.com>

Oh yeah. Meetup.com's only real benefits for running meetings, relative to
just this list, seem to be that people can RSVP, and add the meeting to
whatever calendar app they use. But it's real strength is that other people
in other groups can see the upcoming meetings and decide to drop in. Versus
having to be a member of the mailing list. I know that has pulled in people
to meetings before, although I don't know how widely Meetup is being used
by other local tech grub groups these days, since they added fees.

So essentially, it could help with Perl evangelism. If we ever have
Perl-specific meetings again.

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 7:33 AM Richard Reina <richard at rushlogistics.com>
wrote:

> We can still propose or call a meeting by sending out an email to
> chicago-talk at pm.org, correct?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 21:28:50 -0600, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > To keep it going is $70 for 6 months. I'm willing to pony up, for now,
> but only if we intend to use it.
> >
>
>
>
> We have no meetings. I see no reason for Meetup. :-(
>
> Andy
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
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From mikefrag at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 06:20:50 2022
From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 08:20:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup.com will shut down the Chicago Perl
 Meetup group tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <CAAKpS=7j34h+F1Oo9217ZLp979g83r73AWDgPMxxmYcBsRZ6ug@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAKpS=5_nCF_mtEfrDArndUDfHvhR5XXUQSYZzxuBOuhrNc61g@mail.gmail.com>
 <7B668742-797C-4646-9F32-4AF327611877@petdance.com>
 <1670506391.pxkmhzxq0wkkww8w@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
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Message-ID: <CAAKpS=7fWty1vH5CuOaqK+EYxzdfUu9cj9eLbmF5Rdu2ZqXRZg@mail.gmail.com>

"tech grub groups" is an autocorrect mistake I didn't spot & delete, but
free food is also a great tool of tech evangelism, and it makes having
accurate RSVPs a bit more important!

On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 8:18 AM Mike Fragassi <mikefrag at gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh yeah. Meetup.com's only real benefits for running meetings, relative to
> just this list, seem to be that people can RSVP, and add the meeting to
> whatever calendar app they use. But it's real strength is that other people
> in other groups can see the upcoming meetings and decide to drop in. Versus
> having to be a member of the mailing list. I know that has pulled in people
> to meetings before, although I don't know how widely Meetup is being used
> by other local tech grub groups these days, since they added fees.
>
> So essentially, it could help with Perl evangelism. If we ever have
> Perl-specific meetings again.
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2022, 7:33 AM Richard Reina <richard at rushlogistics.com>
> wrote:
>
>> We can still propose or call a meeting by sending out an email to
>> chicago-talk at pm.org, correct?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, 7 Dec 2022 21:28:50 -0600, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > To keep it going is $70 for 6 months. I'm willing to pony up, for now,
>> but only if we intend to use it.
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> We have no meetings. I see no reason for Meetup. :-(
>>
>> Andy
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
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From joel.a.berger at gmail.com  Thu Dec  8 07:30:55 2022
From: joel.a.berger at gmail.com (Joel Berger)
Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2022 09:30:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup.com will shut down the Chicago Perl
 Meetup group tomorrow
In-Reply-To: <7B668742-797C-4646-9F32-4AF327611877@petdance.com>
References: <CAAKpS=5_nCF_mtEfrDArndUDfHvhR5XXUQSYZzxuBOuhrNc61g@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAAMA-9Mg+KSx+7DeRXmcvxLOt4AO_HAev5-GTHXLL4OG-xjrrQ@mail.gmail.com>

Sadly, I agree. All holding onto it does is keep the invite list and I
could probably invite most of our former regulars by hand if I had to. I
see no reason to pay for that.

I do still hold out hope of having a generalist programming meetup
somewhere in the northwest burbs if I can find the right place to do it,
but I can't imagine it would be Perl (primarily) focused at this point.

btw, if anyone has an idea of a good place to hold such an event, somewhere
between Des Plaines and Barrington, let me know.

On Wed, Dec 7, 2022 at 9:29 PM Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

>
> >
> > To keep it going is $70 for 6 months. I'm willing to pony up, for now,
> but only if we intend to use it.
> >
>
>
>
> We have no meetings. I see no reason for Meetup. :-(
>
> Andy
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
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From richard at rushlogistics.com  Sat Dec 24 07:59:14 2022
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 10:59:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help with Regex
Message-ID: <1671897554.m4po1g1pmo04s8ok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>

Happy Holidays Perl Family,

I am trying to use the regex below to find City, ST. Zip in a file. While the below does work for instances like Chicago, IL 60614 or Dallas, TX 75234,
it does not work in instances with multi word cities like Salt Lake City, UT 89159 or in instances with nine digit zip codes like Tampa, FL 33592-2787.
Any help in getting my regex to work would be greatly appreciated. 
?


?if ($row =~ /^([^,]+),\s([A-Z]{2})(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?$/) {
? ? ??
? ? ? print "I think I found a city state zip:\n";
? ? ? print "$row\n";
? ? ? chomp (my $ff=<STDIN>);
? ? ? ? ? ??
? ? ? }

Thanks all, and Happy Holidays!

Richard

From jkeenan at pobox.com  Sat Dec 24 08:50:14 2022
From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:50:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help with Regex
In-Reply-To: <1671897554.m4po1g1pmo04s8ok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
References: <1671897554.m4po1g1pmo04s8ok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
Message-ID: <f4bbbf2e-c0e8-175e-016f-ce27b4dcc78e@pobox.com>

On 12/24/22 10:59, Richard Reina wrote:
> Happy Holidays Perl Family,
> 
> I am trying to use the regex below to find City, ST. Zip in a file. While the below does work for instances like Chicago, IL 60614 or Dallas, TX 75234,
> it does not work in instances with multi word cities like Salt Lake City, UT 89159 or in instances with nine digit zip codes like Tampa, FL 33592-2787.
> Any help in getting my regex to work would be greatly appreciated.
>   
> 
> 
>  ?if ($row =~ /^([^,]+),\s([A-Z]{2})(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?$/) {
>        
>  ? ? ? print "I think I found a city state zip:\n";
>  ? ? ? print "$row\n";
>  ? ? ? chomp (my $ff=<STDIN>);
>              
>  ? ? ? }
> 

I found that, as written, your regex does precisely the opposite of what 
you claimed it did.

#####
sub p {
     my $address = shift;
     my ($city, $state, $zip);
     my $regex = qr/^([^,]+),\s([A-Z]{2})(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?$/;
     if ($address =~ m/$regex/) {
         my ($city, $state, $zip) = ($1,$2,$3);
         print "$city, $state $zip\n";
     }
     else {
         print "No match\n";
     }
}

p("Chicago, IL 60614");
p("Chicago, IL 60614-0000");
p("Chicago, IL 606140001");
p("Dallas, TX 75234");
p("Salt Lake City, UT 89159");
p("Tampa, FL 33592-2787");

No match
Chicago, IL 60614-0000
Chicago, IL 606140001
No match
No match
Tampa, FL 33592-2787
#####

In this portion of your pattern ...

#####
(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?
#####

... the '?:' at the beginning means "cluster, but don't capture".  (See 
'perldoc perlre'.)

The following worked for me.

#####
sub r {
     my $address = shift;
     my ($city, $state, $zip);
     my $regex = qr/^
         ([^,]+)
         ,\s
         ([A-Z]{2})
         \s
         (\d{5}(?:-?\d{4})?)
     $/x;
     if ($address =~ m/$regex/) {
         my ($city, $state, $zip) = ($1,$2,$3);
         print "$city, $state $zip\n";
     }
     else {
         print "No match\n";
     }
}

r("Chicago, IL 60614");
r("Chicago, IL 60614-0000");
r("Chicago, IL 606140001");
r("Dallas, TX 75234");
r("Salt Lake City, UT 89159");
r("Tampa, FL 33592-2787");

Chicago, IL 60614
Chicago, IL 60614-0000
Chicago, IL 606140001
Dallas, TX 75234
Salt Lake City, UT 89159
Tampa, FL 33592-2787
#####


From richard at rushlogistics.com  Sat Dec 24 09:30:39 2022
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help with Regex
In-Reply-To: <f4bbbf2e-c0e8-175e-016f-ce27b4dcc78e@pobox.com>
References: <1671897554.m4po1g1pmo04s8ok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
 <f4bbbf2e-c0e8-175e-016f-ce27b4dcc78e@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <1671903039.tpo3uwxwnk804444@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>

Thank you very much for your reply. Your level of coding is way superior to mine. This was very helpful however for some reason certain instances,
like the examples below, do not produce matches.

r("Ogden, UT, 84415"); ?
r("Dallas, TX, 75234");

Can't figure out why.
?





On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:50:14 -0500, James E Keenan <jkeenan at pobox.com> wrote:

On 12/24/22 10:59, Richard Reina wrote:
> Happy Holidays Perl Family,
>
> I am trying to use the regex below to find City, ST. Zip in a file. While the below does work for instances like Chicago, IL 60614 or Dallas, TX 75234,
> it does not work in instances with multi word cities like Salt Lake City, UT 89159 or in instances with nine digit zip codes like Tampa, FL 33592-2787.
> Any help in getting my regex to work would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> ?if ($row =~ /^([^,]+),\s([A-Z]{2})(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?$/) {
>
> ? ? ? print "I think I found a city state zip:\n";
> ? ? ? print "$row\n";
> ? ? ? chomp (my $ff=);
>
> ? ? ? }
>

I found that, as written, your regex does precisely the opposite of what
you claimed it did.

#####
sub p {
my $address = shift;
my ($city, $state, $zip);
my $regex = qr/^([^,]+),\s([A-Z]{2})(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?$/;
if ($address =~ m/$regex/) {
my ($city, $state, $zip) = ($1,$2,$3);
print "$city, $state $zip\n";
}
else {
print "No match\n";
}
}

p("Chicago, IL 60614");
p("Chicago, IL 60614-0000");
p("Chicago, IL 606140001");
p("Dallas, TX 75234");
p("Salt Lake City, UT 89159");
p("Tampa, FL 33592-2787");

No match
Chicago, IL 60614-0000
Chicago, IL 606140001
No match
No match
Tampa, FL 33592-2787
#####

In this portion of your pattern ...

#####
(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?
#####

... the '?:' at the beginning means "cluster, but don't capture". (See
'perldoc perlre'.)

The following worked for me.

#####
sub r {
my $address = shift;
my ($city, $state, $zip);
my $regex = qr/^
([^,]+)
,\s
([A-Z]{2})
\s
(\d{5}(?:-?\d{4})?)
$/x;
if ($address =~ m/$regex/) {
my ($city, $state, $zip) = ($1,$2,$3);
print "$city, $state $zip\n";
}
else {
print "No match\n";
}
}

r("Chicago, IL 60614");
r("Chicago, IL 60614-0000");
r("Chicago, IL 606140001");
r("Dallas, TX 75234");
r("Salt Lake City, UT 89159");
r("Tampa, FL 33592-2787");

Chicago, IL 60614
Chicago, IL 60614-0000
Chicago, IL 606140001
Dallas, TX 75234
Salt Lake City, UT 89159
Tampa, FL 33592-2787
#####

?

From amead at alanmead.org  Sat Dec 24 10:38:42 2022
From: amead at alanmead.org (Alan Mead)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:38:42 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help with Regex
In-Reply-To: <1671903039.tpo3uwxwnk804444@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
References: <1671897554.m4po1g1pmo04s8ok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
 <f4bbbf2e-c0e8-175e-016f-ce27b4dcc78e@pobox.com>
 <1671903039.tpo3uwxwnk804444@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
Message-ID: <c21577cf-4df2-1236-df0d-41f5e7e5233c@alanmead.org>

Richard,

You need a good regex debugger. My favorite is:

https://regex101.com/

Your two new samples fail because there's a comma after state and your 
regex doesn't allow that (you can add: ,* after ([A-Z]{2}).

I have no idea how regular your data are, but if these are random 
addresses, you will have all kinds of problems. For example the two "\s" 
below require exactly a single space character (no more, no less).

^
([^,]+)
*,\s*
([A-Z]{2})
*\s*
(\d{5}(?:-?\d{4})?)
$

-Alan


> Thank you very much for your reply. Your level of coding is way superior to mine. This was very helpful however for some reason certain instances,
> like the examples below, do not produce matches.
>
> r("Ogden, UT, 84415");
> r("Dallas, TX, 75234");
>
> Can't figure out why.
>   
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 11:50:14 -0500, James E Keenan<jkeenan at pobox.com>  wrote:
>
> On 12/24/22 10:59, Richard Reina wrote:
>> Happy Holidays Perl Family,
>>
>> I am trying to use the regex below to find City, ST. Zip in a file. While the below does work for instances like Chicago, IL 60614 or Dallas, TX 75234,
>> it does not work in instances with multi word cities like Salt Lake City, UT 89159 or in instances with nine digit zip codes like Tampa, FL 33592-2787.
>> Any help in getting my regex to work would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>
>>  ?if ($row =~ /^([^,]+),\s([A-Z]{2})(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?$/) {
>>
>>  ? ? ? print "I think I found a city state zip:\n";
>>  ? ? ? print "$row\n";
>>  ? ? ? chomp (my $ff=);
>>
>>  ? ? ? }
>>
> I found that, as written, your regex does precisely the opposite of what
> you claimed it did.
>
> #####
> sub p {
> my $address = shift;
> my ($city, $state, $zip);
> my $regex = qr/^([^,]+),\s([A-Z]{2})(?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?$/;
> if ($address =~ m/$regex/) {
> my ($city, $state, $zip) = ($1,$2,$3);
> print "$city, $state $zip\n";
> }
> else {
> print "No match\n";
> }
> }
>
> p("Chicago, IL 60614");
> p("Chicago, IL 60614-0000");
> p("Chicago, IL 606140001");
> p("Dallas, TX 75234");
> p("Salt Lake City, UT 89159");
> p("Tampa, FL 33592-2787");
>
> No match
> Chicago, IL 60614-0000
> Chicago, IL 606140001
> No match
> No match
> Tampa, FL 33592-2787
> #####
>
> In this portion of your pattern ...
>
> #####
> (?:\s(\d{5}-?\d{4}?))?
> #####
>
> ... the '?:' at the beginning means "cluster, but don't capture". (See
> 'perldoc perlre'.)
>
> The following worked for me.
>
> #####
> sub r {
> my $address = shift;
> my ($city, $state, $zip);
> my $regex = qr/^
> ([^,]+)
> ,\s
> ([A-Z]{2})
> \s
> (\d{5}(?:-?\d{4})?)
> $/x;
> if ($address =~ m/$regex/) {
> my ($city, $state, $zip) = ($1,$2,$3);
> print "$city, $state $zip\n";
> }
> else {
> print "No match\n";
> }
> }
>
> r("Chicago, IL 60614");
> r("Chicago, IL 60614-0000");
> r("Chicago, IL 606140001");
> r("Dallas, TX 75234");
> r("Salt Lake City, UT 89159");
> r("Tampa, FL 33592-2787");
>
> Chicago, IL 60614
> Chicago, IL 60614-0000
> Chicago, IL 606140001
> Dallas, TX 75234
> Salt Lake City, UT 89159
> Tampa, FL 33592-2787
> #####
>
>   
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk

-- 

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President, Talent Algorithms Inc.

science + technology = better workers

https://talalg.com


Take care to get what you like or you will be forced to like what
you get. Where there is no ventilation fresh air is declared
unwholesome. Where there is no religion hypocrisy becomes good
taste. Where there is no knowledge ignorance calls itself science.

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From shlomif at shlomifish.org  Sat Dec 24 11:08:23 2022
From: shlomif at shlomifish.org (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 21:08:23 +0200
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help with Regex
In-Reply-To: <c21577cf-4df2-1236-df0d-41f5e7e5233c@alanmead.org>
References: <1671897554.m4po1g1pmo04s8ok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
 <f4bbbf2e-c0e8-175e-016f-ce27b4dcc78e@pobox.com>
 <1671903039.tpo3uwxwnk804444@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>
 <c21577cf-4df2-1236-df0d-41f5e7e5233c@alanmead.org>
Message-ID: <20221224210823.0ed3e2cf@shlomifish.org>

Hi all,

On Sat, 24 Dec 2022 12:38:42 -0600
Alan Mead <amead at alanmead.org> wrote:

> Richard,
> 
> You need a good regex debugger. My favorite is:
> 
> https://regex101.com/
> 

In addition, I suggest writing a tests' suite:

* https://github.com/shlomif/what-you-should-know-about-automated-testing

* https://www.shlomifish.org/Perl-Begin/uses/qa/

> Your two new samples fail because there's a comma after state and your 
> regex doesn't allow that (you can add: ,* after ([A-Z]{2}).
> 
> I have no idea how regular your data are, but if these are random 
> addresses, you will have all kinds of problems. For example the two "\s" 
> below require exactly a single space character (no more, no less).
> 
> ^
> ([^,]+)
> *,\s*
> ([A-Z]{2})
> *\s*
> (\d{5}(?:-?\d{4})?)
> $
> 

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