From mikefrag at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 06:55:12 2021 From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:55:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours Message-ID: Did anyone else get an email from Meetup, notifying them that the group is about to expire? Are we OK with this, or should we re-up and pass the hat? Also, did anyone else get an email last week from Tom Metro of Boston.pm? He's looking to join up with 2 other PM groups to cut costs, to bring the annual fee down to about $65 a year. - Mike. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mikefrag at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 07:02:12 2021 From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:02:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: <1628776606.ggdr3ga0oww0cgok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> References: <1628776606.ggdr3ga0oww0cgok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> Message-ID: $11.54 for 6 months if paid in advance, for a total of $69.24. That's not *that* much, however, it's not like we've been using Meetup at all. Other groups have been active there but not us. On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:56 AM Richard Reina wrote: > How much is the renewal? > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:55:12 -0500, Mike Fragassi > wrote: > > Did anyone else get an email from Meetup, notifying them that the group is > about to expire? > > Are we OK with this, or should we re-up and pass the hat? > > Also, did anyone else get an email last week from Tom Metro of Boston.pm? > He's looking to join up with 2 other PM groups to cut costs, to bring the > annual fee down to about $65 a year. > > - Mike. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andy at petdance.com Thu Aug 12 07:06:14 2021 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:06:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> > On Aug 12, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote: > > Did anyone else get an email from Meetup, notifying them that the group is about to expire? > > Are we OK with this, or should we re-up and pass the hat? I clicked to take over, and then saw it was $135/yr, and I closed the window. At this point, it seems to me that a meetup account for a group with no meetings is like paying a registrar for a domain name you intend to do something with but just haven?t had the time, except that it?s 10x the cost. Andy From richard at rushlogistics.com Thu Aug 12 07:21:06 2021 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 10:21:06 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: References: <1628776606.ggdr3ga0oww0cgok@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> Message-ID: <1628778066.dpqb4tii2gwg4o8w@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> I will pay $40 if people will contribute for the rest. I can send money via PayPal --sorry still not really using Venmo. Richard ? On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:02:12 -0500, Mike Fragassi wrote: ? $11.54 for 6 months if paid in advance, for a total of $69.24. That's not *that* much, however, it's not like we've been using Meetup at all. Other groups have been active there but not us. ? On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 8:56 AM Richard Reina wrote: How much is the renewal? ? On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 08:55:12 -0500, Mike Fragassi wrote: ? Did anyone else get an email from Meetup, notifying them that the group is about to expire? ? Are we OK with this, or should we re-up and pass the hat? ? Also, did anyone else get an email last week from Tom Metro of Boston.pm? He's looking to join up with 2 other PM groups to cut costs, to bring the annual fee down to about $65 a year. ? - Mike. _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From richard at rushlogistics.com Thu Aug 12 07:29:14 2021 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 10:29:14 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> Message-ID: <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> If that's the case and there is truly no interest I agree. However, if there is interest I will help pay. Are there still people using Perl or am I alone? ? On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 09:06:14 -0500, Andy Lester wrote: > On Aug 12, 2021, at 8:55 AM, Mike Fragassi wrote: > > Did anyone else get an email from Meetup, notifying them that the group is about to expire? > > Are we OK with this, or should we re-up and pass the hat? I clicked to take over, and then saw it was $135/yr, and I closed the window. At this point, it seems to me that a meetup account for a group with no meetings is like paying a registrar for a domain name you intend to do something with but just haven?t had the time, except that it?s 10x the cost. Andy _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk ? From amead at alanmead.org Thu Aug 12 09:19:58 2021 From: amead at alanmead.org (Alan Mead) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 11:19:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> Message-ID: I use Perl and I'd be interested in contributing towards a more vibrant Chicago Perl community, but I'm skeptical about in-person meetings in 2021. Does MeetUp do anything else? I've been learning Python and... God, I want to use Perl more and that less... For me, there's a real "nails on a chalkboard" thing going on with Python... -Alan -- Alan D. Mead, Ph.D. President, Talent Algorithms Inc. science + technology = better workers https://talalg.com Shall I tell you what true knowledge is? When you know, to know that you know, and when you do not know, to know that you do not know--that is true knowledge. -- Confucius, Confucian Analects From richard at rushlogistics.com Thu Aug 12 09:27:38 2021 From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 12:27:38 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> Message-ID: <1628785658.7saocmuwsg8wksg4@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> Couldn't agree more, don't like having to use Python. ? On Thu, 12 Aug 2021 11:19:58 -0500, Alan Mead wrote: I use Perl and I'd be interested in contributing towards a more vibrant Chicago Perl community, but I'm skeptical about in-person meetings in 2021. Does MeetUp do anything else? I've been learning Python and... God, I want to use Perl more and that less... For me, there's a real "nails on a chalkboard" thing going on with Python... -Alan -- Alan D. Mead, Ph.D. President, Talent Algorithms Inc. science + technology = better workers https://talalg.com Shall I tell you what true knowledge is? When you know, to know that you know, and when you do not know, to know that you do not know--that is true knowledge. -- Confucius, Confucian Analects _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk ? From mikefrag at gmail.com Thu Aug 12 09:46:07 2021 From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 11:46:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> Message-ID: Meetup's utility seems to be: - it provides a discussion system, although we already have on here, on the mailing list. - it provides a group home page. Although we also have one at https://chicago.pm.org/, there are a few disadvantages to that. I think Doug owns it and bears the brunt of maintaining it, for one, along with the duties of updating it with events. There are events on the Meetup page that aren't mirrored on the .pm.org page. (For the record, Joel Berger and myself are both listed as "Organziers" for the Meetup page.) Also if it matters, I don't see a way to comment on the pm.org page. - because it's a platform in use by many other user groups, in and out of Chicago, announcements of meetings (even if strictly virtual) can have much greater visibility than they do if we only post about them to the mailing list. I've attended a few virtual events Jason Crome has put on for Charlotte.pm, for instance. Although having that outreach doesn't do much good if we don't even have any meetings to speak of. On Thu, Aug 12, 2021 at 11:21 AM Alan Mead wrote: > I use Perl and I'd be interested in contributing towards a more vibrant > Chicago Perl community, but I'm skeptical about in-person meetings in > 2021. Does MeetUp do anything else? > > I've been learning Python and... God, I want to use Perl more and that > less... For me, there's a real "nails on a chalkboard" thing going on > with Python... > > -Alan > > > -- > > Alan D. Mead, Ph.D. > President, Talent Algorithms Inc. > > science + technology = better workers > > https://talalg.com > > > Shall I tell you what true knowledge is? When you know, to > know that you know, and when you do not know, to know that > you do not know--that is true knowledge. > > -- Confucius, Confucian Analects > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jkeenan at pobox.com Thu Aug 12 10:03:56 2021 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 13:03:56 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net> Message-ID: On 8/12/21 12:46 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote: > Meetup's utility seems to be: > > - it provides a discussion system, although we already have on here, on > the mailing list. > > - it provides a group home page. Although we also have one at > https://chicago.pm.org/ , there are a few > disadvantages to that. I think Doug owns it and bears the brunt of > maintaining it, for one, along with the duties of updating it with > events. There are events on the Meetup page that aren't mirrored on the > .pm.org page. (For the record, Joel Berger and myself > are both listed as "Organziers" for the Meetup page.) Also if it > matters, I don't see a way to comment on the pm.org page. > > - because it's a platform in use by many other user groups, in and out > of Chicago, announcements of meetings (even if strictly virtual) can > have much greater visibility than they do if we only post about them to > the mailing list. I've attended a few virtual events Jason Crome has put > on for Charlotte.pm, for instance. Although having that outreach doesn't > do much good if we don't even have any meetings to speak of. > Some out-of-town perspective. My impression is that in New York City very, very few tech user groups are having meetings right now -- virtual or otherwise. We in ny.pm did have a couple of tech Zoom meetings last year, but none so far this calendar year. The fact that the meeting was virtual meant that we could have an out-of-town speaker and had attendees from two continents -- but that was independent of meetup.com. (Fortunately, I'm not the one writing the check for that group.) The NYC Linux group has not met, virtually or otherwise, since the start of the pandemic. The NYC BSD User Group has held several tech meetings via Zoom this year -- but we don't use meetup.com for that. My recommendation is that if you can renew your meetup.com membership at a reasonable rate (perhaps by sharing with another *.pm), then you should do so; put together a few Zoom meetings just so people know you're alive; and hope that sometime in the future IRL meetings can resume. Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From jkeenan at pobox.com Thu Aug 12 10:06:18 2021 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 13:06:18 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>

Message-ID: On 8/12/21 1:03 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > On 8/12/21 12:46 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote: [snip] And, for what it's worth, a couple of years ago I was in Chicago for a wedding and I dropped in at a Chicago.pm "Office Hours" meeting because it was listed on meetup.com. jimk From amead at alanmead.org Thu Aug 12 13:03:06 2021 From: amead at alanmead.org (Alan Mead) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 15:03:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>

Message-ID: <40b2d818-cda1-f2de-16ba-637d255792ed@alanmead.org> On 8/12/2021 12:03 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > On 8/12/21 12:46 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote: >> Meetup's utility seems to be: >> >> - it provides a discussion system, although we already have on here, >> on the mailing list. >> >> - it provides a group home page. Although we also have one at >> https://chicago.pm.org/ , there are a few >> disadvantages to that. I think Doug owns it and bears the brunt of >> maintaining it, for one, along with the duties of updating it with >> events. There are events on the Meetup page that aren't mirrored on >> the .pm.org page. (For the record, Joel Berger and >> myself are both listed as "Organziers" for the Meetup page.) Also if >> it matters, I don't see a way to comment on the pm.org >> page. >> >> - because it's a platform in use by many other user groups, in and >> out of Chicago, announcements of meetings (even if strictly virtual) >> can have much greater visibility than they do if we only post about >> them to the mailing list. I've attended a few virtual events Jason >> Crome has put on for Charlotte.pm, for instance. Although having that >> outreach doesn't do much good if we don't even have any meetings to >> speak of. >> > > Some out-of-town perspective.? My impression is that in New York City > very, very few tech user groups are having meetings right now -- > virtual or otherwise.? We in ny.pm did have a couple of tech Zoom > meetings last year, but none so far this calendar year.? The fact that > the meeting was virtual meant that we could have an out-of-town > speaker and had attendees from two continents -- but that was > independent of meetup.com. ?(Fortunately, I'm not the one writing the > check for that group.) > > The NYC Linux group has not met, virtually or otherwise, since the > start of the pandemic.? The NYC BSD User Group has held several tech > meetings via Zoom this year -- but we don't use meetup.com for that. > > My recommendation is that if you can renew your meetup.com membership > at a reasonable rate (perhaps by sharing with another *.pm), then you > should do so; put together a few Zoom meetings just so people know > you're alive; and hope that sometime in the future IRL meetings can > resume. These responses are convincing to me. Pre-pandemic, I drove out to Aurora (?) to see Jason talk about Dancer based on a MeetUp invite. So, I agree that MeetUp extends the reach. I'll chip in if someone will be the point person. -Alan -- Alan D. Mead, Ph.D. President, Talent Algorithms Inc. science + technology = better workers https://talalg.com Observe a man's actions; scrutinize his motives; take note of the things that give him pleasure. How then can he hide from you what he really is? -- Confucius, Confucian Analects From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Thu Aug 12 14:13:07 2021 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy Bach) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2021 21:13:07 +0000 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours In-Reply-To: <40b2d818-cda1-f2de-16ba-637d255792ed@alanmead.org> References: <87E76844-76A0-4456-A0C2-687570942EF5@petdance.com> <1628778554.iyix3labs4gwsw88@hostingemail.digitalspace.net>

<40b2d818-cda1-f2de-16ba-637d255792ed@alanmead.org> Message-ID: I'm in Madison, but I'm willing to put in a couple of beers worth of a donation whenever it's needed. ________________________________ From: Chicago-talk on behalf of Alan Mead Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:03 PM To: chicago-talk at pm.org Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Chicago-pm Meetup group is expiring and will be removed in 48 hours CAUTION - EXTERNAL: On 8/12/2021 12:03 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > On 8/12/21 12:46 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote: >> Meetup's utility seems to be: >> >> - it provides a discussion system, although we already have on here, >> on the mailing list. >> >> - it provides a group home page. Although we also have one at >> https://chicago.pm.org/ , there are a few >> disadvantages to that. I think Doug owns it and bears the brunt of >> maintaining it, for one, along with the duties of updating it with >> events. There are events on the Meetup page that aren't mirrored on >> the .pm.org page. (For the record, Joel Berger and >> myself are both listed as "Organziers" for the Meetup page.) Also if >> it matters, I don't see a way to comment on the pm.org >> page. >> >> - because it's a platform in use by many other user groups, in and >> out of Chicago, announcements of meetings (even if strictly virtual) >> can have much greater visibility than they do if we only post about >> them to the mailing list. I've attended a few virtual events Jason >> Crome has put on for Charlotte.pm, for instance. Although having that >> outreach doesn't do much good if we don't even have any meetings to >> speak of. >> > > Some out-of-town perspective. My impression is that in New York City > very, very few tech user groups are having meetings right now -- > virtual or otherwise. We in ny.pm did have a couple of tech Zoom > meetings last year, but none so far this calendar year. The fact that > the meeting was virtual meant that we could have an out-of-town > speaker and had attendees from two continents -- but that was > independent of meetup.com. (Fortunately, I'm not the one writing the > check for that group.) > > The NYC Linux group has not met, virtually or otherwise, since the > start of the pandemic. The NYC BSD User Group has held several tech > meetings via Zoom this year -- but we don't use meetup.com for that. > > My recommendation is that if you can renew your meetup.com membership > at a reasonable rate (perhaps by sharing with another *.pm), then you > should do so; put together a few Zoom meetings just so people know > you're alive; and hope that sometime in the future IRL meetings can > resume. These responses are convincing to me. Pre-pandemic, I drove out to Aurora (?) to see Jason talk about Dancer based on a MeetUp invite. So, I agree that MeetUp extends the reach. I'll chip in if someone will be the point person. -Alan -- Alan D. Mead, Ph.D. President, Talent Algorithms Inc. science + technology = better workers https://talalg.com Observe a man's actions; scrutinize his motives; take note of the things that give him pleasure. How then can he hide from you what he really is? -- Confucius, Confucian Analects _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk CAUTION - EXTERNAL EMAIL: This email originated outside the Judiciary. Exercise caution when opening attachments or clicking on links. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: