[Chicago-talk] Dreamweaver perl and mysql

Wed Jul 29 15:46:51 PDT 2015

IF  and it is a BIG IF  you are, as you say, comfortable with Perl and
sincerely oblivious to modern web development, then Dancer is the
route I would push you in.  Once again, you will have to master a
templateing system of some sort; for Dancer and your background:
Template toolkit.

On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Richard Reina <gatorreina at gmail.com> wrote:
> Alan,
>
> For this thorough and thoughtful reply. The dancer tutorial looks less
> intimidating than the catalyst examples I looked at. I will get started by
> trying to create a simple CRUD page that will allow me to play with a
> database.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
> El jul 29, 2015, a las 4:35 PM, Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org> escribió:
>
> Web development is quite different from an app running on a server or
> desktop. Part of the reason that frameworks seem different is driven by this
> environmental difference which is inevitable.
>
> I can see why someone who knows well Perl might not like the idea of using a
> framework, because learning the framework is almost like learning to code a
> new language (in a way).  But consider that if you were to re-invent the
> same wheel, you would make a number of mistakes that the framework builders
> have already mastered. Also, the frameworks will already have a number of
> features that you can just mix in. If you re-invent the wheel, you'll have
> to re-invent each feature that you want to add.  For example, authentication
> isn't a trivial issue. You haven't mentioned authentication, but I assume
> you don't want everyone on the Internet to be able to edit your clients'
> records. Any framework is likely to have authentication built in.  Another
> example: a CRUD website is really, really common so you should find it very
> easy... I found this page that describes a sample Dancer app that seems to
> do at least some of what you want:
>
> http://advent.perldancer.org/2011/2
>
> Another emphasis of modern frameworks is making it really easy to use.  The
> page above shows you how to run the Dancer app using an embedded webserver.
> So, you don't need to learn about web servers, etc.; you can dive right in.
>
> Dreamweaver is fine for creating the HTML but any approach to building a
> dynamic website is going to require that you learn enough HTML to create
> templates. In the example app described above, the templates are in the
> /view folder.  If you've mastered Perl and SQL, HTML isn't going to be a big
> problem, but there's no avoiding it.
>
> -Alan
>
>
> On 7/29/2015 3:48 PM, Richard Reina wrote:
>
> Your response if good. It's that I don't really understand what a framework
> is. I've built a website with dreamweaver (without knowing any html). Now I
> would just like to build another small site that links to a MySQL database.
> I see a lot of people use php but since I already know perl and DBI I
> figured I could go that route. I'm just confused about what these frameworks
> are (catalyst, mojolicious, dancer) and how they fit in. Maybe I can hire a
> reasonably priced tutor ;)
>
>
> 2015-07-29 15:34 GMT-05:00 Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org>:
>>
>> Well, I don't want to discourage you (or be a jerk) but when you state
>> that you "don't know HTML" it seems like any web-based project is going to
>> be way, way, way over your head.
>>
>> There are a million ways to accomplish the site you want.  Using a
>> framework would be better for many people, but you'd have to learn the
>> framework.  If you want to learn as little as possible, then you might want
>> to make some simple CGI scripts but that approach will require learning
>> about how Apache works (at least a bit). You could also use PHP.
>>
>> -Alan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/29/2015 3:14 PM, Richard Reina wrote:
>>
>> Wow just took a look at catalyst. Seems easier to just stick with
>> Dreamweaver and access my MySQL tables with php -- if you are saying I can't
>> do so with perl.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2015-07-29 12:52 GMT-05:00 Alan Mead <amead2 at alanmead.org>:
>>>
>>> Richard,
>>>
>>> You'll need to learn enough HTML to transform your Dreamweaver output
>>> files into templates. There are many ways to do this but you probably want a
>>> framework like Mojolicious or Catalyst.  I see that the Catalyst tutorial
>>> includes the kind of website you want to build (as "CRUD"):
>>>
>>> https://metacpan.org/pod/Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial
>>> https://metacpan.org/pod/Catalyst::Manual::Tutorial::04_BasicCRUD
>>>
>>> I'm also sure you could do this using Mojolicious.  But, again, you're
>>> SOL unless you're willing to learn how to work with these technologies.
>>>
>>> -Alan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7/29/2015 11:55 AM, Richard Reina wrote:
>>>
>>> I do not know HTML. I have created a website with dreamweaver that mostly
>>> just looks pretty and and jumps to different pages on a site. I have also
>>> written a database app with perl->MySQL that users on a small LAN can use to
>>> enter and query data. However, it is displayed on linux consoles using
>>> rudimentary menu apps based on curses. I would like to create a website that
>>> would allow users to enter and query data from MySQL databases and carry out
>>> functions such as updating users via email when changes are made. Since I
>>> don't know HTML or Apache can I just use dreamweaver and somehow enter perl
>>> code to talk to MySQL? Or is there a better and easier way for me to go
>>> about this?
>>>
>>> Thanks for any ideas.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
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