From madcityzen at gmail.com  Mon May  6 22:15:44 2013
From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 00:15:44 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetings for May and Speaker Needed
Message-ID: <DA9E1D1A-E13C-48B8-9A9E-E9385B15AE8F@gmail.com>

We've got a Project Night coming up this week, Thursday, May 9, 6:30pm at 540 W. Madison. Bring your laptops and your questions, problems, knowledge, and/or solutions.

Our next presentation-style meeting is Thursday, May 23rd. We don't yet have a speaker lined up, so if you have something you'd like to talk about, let me know. If you have any ideas for presentations you'd like to see, let the list know and we can find people to present.

Doug Bell
madcityzen at gmail.com



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From madcityzen at gmail.com  Mon May  6 22:38:49 2013
From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 00:38:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] How To Get People Started With Perl Using a Perl
	Mongers Group
Message-ID: <7A3EEEB9-1B5C-4F41-B6EE-BE751E4F8804@gmail.com>

Project Nights are times for anyone to come work on code, ask questions relating to code, show off code, and get ideas for code. So far, they've been working out pretty well.

But what if you're not yet at the level of "writing Perl code"? How can we better help people get started with Perl? I usually only see these kinds of presentations during special times as part of a larger conference or workshop, but those only happen so often and in certain parts of the country.

Is this even a topic that can be handled well by a user group? I can imagine a lot of repeat presentations (perhaps even a set of presentations, rotated through), with some "Get up-to-speed" time at the beginning for the things like "Installing Perl" and "How to run Perl code".

Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, or opinions?

Doug Bell
madcityzen at gmail.com




From mikefrag at gmail.com  Tue May  7 05:45:14 2013
From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 07:45:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] How To Get People Started With Perl Using a Perl
 Mongers Group
In-Reply-To: <7A3EEEB9-1B5C-4F41-B6EE-BE751E4F8804@gmail.com>
References: <7A3EEEB9-1B5C-4F41-B6EE-BE751E4F8804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAKpS=51TpibUPUH0VSrYXO+J1d2tRGA0VfK+Qmkb6gOCsfhpA@mail.gmail.com>

Well, the people who come to the meetings probably know enough Perl to be
on the list and show up in the first place, so they wouldn't need the
extremely low-level Perl 101 lectures.  Maybe if there are a bunch of
non-Perlers who are either lurking on the list (maybe a survey/show of
hands is called for?), or if the Meetup.com recommendation engine is
actually being used by people.

A "Modern Perl 101" might be useful.  I.e. Moose, Test::More, PerlCritic,
Module::Starter, etc.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Project Nights are times for anyone to come work on code, ask questions
> relating to code, show off code, and get ideas for code. So far, they've
> been working out pretty well.
>
> But what if you're not yet at the level of "writing Perl code"? How can we
> better help people get started with Perl? I usually only see these kinds of
> presentations during special times as part of a larger conference or
> workshop, but those only happen so often and in certain parts of the
> country.
>
> Is this even a topic that can be handled well by a user group? I can
> imagine a lot of repeat presentations (perhaps even a set of presentations,
> rotated through), with some "Get up-to-speed" time at the beginning for the
> things like "Installing Perl" and "How to run Perl code".
>
> Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, or opinions?
>
> Doug Bell
> madcityzen at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
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From madcityzen at gmail.com  Tue May  7 12:00:40 2013
From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell)
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 14:00:40 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] How To Get People Started With Perl Using a Perl
 Mongers Group
In-Reply-To: <CAAKpS=51TpibUPUH0VSrYXO+J1d2tRGA0VfK+Qmkb6gOCsfhpA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7A3EEEB9-1B5C-4F41-B6EE-BE751E4F8804@gmail.com>
	<CAAKpS=51TpibUPUH0VSrYXO+J1d2tRGA0VfK+Qmkb6gOCsfhpA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6211278421319778663@unknownmsgid>

That's a good idea. An evolving set of Modern Perl Presentations on topics
that pick up where beginners tutorials leave off.

Though I'd think it'd be better to title them with the broader programming
topic they're about: Modern Perl OO, Automated Testing, Linting and Static
Analysis, Module Boilerplate, etc...

I've also thought that using Chromatic's Modern Perl book as a guide for a
set of tutorial-level presentations might be a good idea.

Perhaps we could start a Github project to develop this kind of content?

On May 7, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Mike Fragassi <mikefrag at gmail.com> wrote:

Well, the people who come to the meetings probably know enough Perl to be
on the list and show up in the first place, so they wouldn't need the
extremely low-level Perl 101 lectures.  Maybe if there are a bunch of
non-Perlers who are either lurking on the list (maybe a survey/show of
hands is called for?), or if the Meetup.com recommendation engine is
actually being used by people.

A "Modern Perl 101" might be useful.  I.e. Moose, Test::More, PerlCritic,
Module::Starter, etc.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:

> Project Nights are times for anyone to come work on code, ask questions
> relating to code, show off code, and get ideas for code. So far, they've
> been working out pretty well.
>
> But what if you're not yet at the level of "writing Perl code"? How can we
> better help people get started with Perl? I usually only see these kinds of
> presentations during special times as part of a larger conference or
> workshop, but those only happen so often and in certain parts of the
> country.
>
> Is this even a topic that can be handled well by a user group? I can
> imagine a lot of repeat presentations (perhaps even a set of presentations,
> rotated through), with some "Get up-to-speed" time at the beginning for the
> things like "Installing Perl" and "How to run Perl code".
>
> Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, or opinions?
>
> Doug Bell
> madcityzen at gmail.com
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

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From mikefrag at gmail.com  Wed May  8 21:03:32 2013
From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Wed, 8 May 2013 23:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] How To Get People Started With Perl Using a Perl
 Mongers Group
In-Reply-To: <6211278421319778663@unknownmsgid>
References: <7A3EEEB9-1B5C-4F41-B6EE-BE751E4F8804@gmail.com>
	<CAAKpS=51TpibUPUH0VSrYXO+J1d2tRGA0VfK+Qmkb6gOCsfhpA@mail.gmail.com>
	<6211278421319778663@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAAKpS=5snVjOq1ar0g6ETK9Rt7nm98SDr2_OBLH7_OMO08Lhsg@mail.gmail.com>

That all sounds good to me.


On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's a good idea. An evolving set of Modern Perl Presentations on topics
> that pick up where beginners tutorials leave off.
>
> Though I'd think it'd be better to title them with the broader programming
> topic they're about: Modern Perl OO, Automated Testing, Linting and Static
> Analysis, Module Boilerplate, etc...
>
> I've also thought that using Chromatic's Modern Perl book as a guide for a
> set of tutorial-level presentations might be a good idea.
>
> Perhaps we could start a Github project to develop this kind of content?
>
> On May 7, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Mike Fragassi <mikefrag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Well, the people who come to the meetings probably know enough Perl to be
> on the list and show up in the first place, so they wouldn't need the
> extremely low-level Perl 101 lectures.  Maybe if there are a bunch of
> non-Perlers who are either lurking on the list (maybe a survey/show of
> hands is called for?), or if the Meetup.com recommendation engine is
> actually being used by people.
>
> A "Modern Perl 101" might be useful.  I.e. Moose, Test::More, PerlCritic,
> Module::Starter, etc.
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Project Nights are times for anyone to come work on code, ask questions
>> relating to code, show off code, and get ideas for code. So far, they've
>> been working out pretty well.
>>
>> But what if you're not yet at the level of "writing Perl code"? How can
>> we better help people get started with Perl? I usually only see these kinds
>> of presentations during special times as part of a larger conference or
>> workshop, but those only happen so often and in certain parts of the
>> country.
>>
>> Is this even a topic that can be handled well by a user group? I can
>> imagine a lot of repeat presentations (perhaps even a set of presentations,
>> rotated through), with some "Get up-to-speed" time at the beginning for the
>> things like "Installing Perl" and "How to run Perl code".
>>
>> Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, or opinions?
>>
>> Doug Bell
>> madcityzen at gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
>
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From dcmertens.perl at gmail.com  Fri May 17 08:27:08 2013
From: dcmertens.perl at gmail.com (David Mertens)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2013 10:27:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] How To Get People Started With Perl Using a Perl
 Mongers Group
In-Reply-To: <CAAKpS=5snVjOq1ar0g6ETK9Rt7nm98SDr2_OBLH7_OMO08Lhsg@mail.gmail.com>
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Last fall, Dave Cross gave a free (I think) intro-to-Perl workshop, in
London. It seems to have been a great success if the commentary on LinkedIn
is correct. We should talk with him about his materials. He may even have
placed them on the web for free. Also, I would expect that brian could
offer some insights about advertising and give other advice. He may also
have material, and it is worth asking if we could use that to develop our
own introductory material.

That said, this thread has caused me to think about Perl education writ
large. To avoid writing a tome, let me just list out my ideas, and how our
workshops could fit into them and complement them:

   1. Advertise around the city, obviously. We should also reach out to the
   Linux User Group and other techy user groups. Cast a wide net, even for
   people who don't know Perl very well.
   2. Write and/or polish vti's Interactive Perl Tutorials at
   http://perltuts.com/ and direct interested noobs there.
   3. Write a collection of competency "tutorials" on perltuts so that
   people can actually assess what they do and do not know about Perl. This
   way, if we want those attending the Intro to Moose workshop to know about
   data structures, we can give them a place to measure their competency, and
   suggest resources where they can study up, before they come to the workshop.
   4. We would provide a collection of post-workshop resources, such as
   relevant chapters in various books, links to the appropriate mailing lists,
   Perl Mongers, and any recommendations for Perl blogs, bloggers, or
   periodicals that might help attendees stay on top of their new-found
   knowledge. For example, if we had an intro workshop on basic CMS with
   Galileo, we would tell attendees to follow Joel's blogs since he blogs
   regularly about updates and gives usage examples. perlbuzz, the Perl
   Review, and Perl Weekly are obvious catch-alls as well.

Given what I've read about other languages' intro workshops, I think there
*is* interest in basic Perl workshops, but I don't know how easily we would
be able to gauge the size of attendees. From what I've read about basic
workshops for other languages, free full-day workshops sponsored by a
company seems to be the best route. I get the impression that attendees see
these are real opportunities, and actually go through the effort to RSVP
for the events, allowing their organizers to respond appropriately.

Anyway, I'm mostly thinking aloud.

David


On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 11:03 PM, Mike Fragassi <mikefrag at gmail.com> wrote:

> That all sounds good to me.
>
>
> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 2:00 PM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> That's a good idea. An evolving set of Modern Perl Presentations on
>> topics that pick up where beginners tutorials leave off.
>>
>> Though I'd think it'd be better to title them with the broader
>> programming topic they're about: Modern Perl OO, Automated Testing, Linting
>> and Static Analysis, Module Boilerplate, etc...
>>
>> I've also thought that using Chromatic's Modern Perl book as a guide for
>> a set of tutorial-level presentations might be a good idea.
>>
>> Perhaps we could start a Github project to develop this kind of content?
>>
>> On May 7, 2013, at 7:45 AM, Mike Fragassi <mikefrag at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Well, the people who come to the meetings probably know enough Perl to be
>> on the list and show up in the first place, so they wouldn't need the
>> extremely low-level Perl 101 lectures.  Maybe if there are a bunch of
>> non-Perlers who are either lurking on the list (maybe a survey/show of
>> hands is called for?), or if the Meetup.com recommendation engine is
>> actually being used by people.
>>
>> A "Modern Perl 101" might be useful.  I.e. Moose, Test::More, PerlCritic,
>> Module::Starter, etc.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 12:38 AM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Project Nights are times for anyone to come work on code, ask questions
>>> relating to code, show off code, and get ideas for code. So far, they've
>>> been working out pretty well.
>>>
>>> But what if you're not yet at the level of "writing Perl code"? How can
>>> we better help people get started with Perl? I usually only see these kinds
>>> of presentations during special times as part of a larger conference or
>>> workshop, but those only happen so often and in certain parts of the
>>> country.
>>>
>>> Is this even a topic that can be handled well by a user group? I can
>>> imagine a lot of repeat presentations (perhaps even a set of presentations,
>>> rotated through), with some "Get up-to-speed" time at the beginning for the
>>> things like "Installing Perl" and "How to run Perl code".
>>>
>>> Anyone have any thoughts, ideas, or opinions?
>>>
>>> Doug Bell
>>> madcityzen at gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From madcityzen at gmail.com  Mon May 20 10:36:38 2013
From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 12:36:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meeting this Thursday, May 23, 6:30pm - Building
 Command-Line Apps; ChicagoPM Github Organization
Message-ID: <-7322033867164208648@unknownmsgid>

This week, I'll be giving an intermediate-level presentation on building
command-line applications, starting from simple scripts and moving on
through module-based, structured applications using CPAN frameworks.
Knowledge of Perl is recommended, though knowledge of command-line apps is
not.

The meeting will be at our usual location, 540 W Madison St. in the 9th
floor conference rooms. Pizza and beverages will be provided (if you have
requests for specific flavors of pizza or beverage, let me know).

Meetup link:
http://www.meetup.com/Windy-City-Perl-mongers-Meetup/events/119961772/

Please RSVP on the meetup page before 4:00pm on Thursday to make your
entrance as smooth as possible (RSVP is not strictly required, but it will
be hard for me to give the presentation and authorize security to let you
in at the same time). Directions are on the Meetup page.

This will be the first in a set of free, open-source intermediate-level
presentations released by the Chicago.PM organization on Github. The
presentation itself will be released with a Creative Commons
Attribution-ShareAlike license, and the code inside the presentation will
be licensed under the same terms as Perl itself (Artistic License 1 or GPL
version 1 at your discretion). Our goal is to build a repository of living
presentations that pick up after the beginner's workshops and explore
single topics with some depth. Emphasis will be placed on best practices
with pragmatism: Here's multiple ways to do it, here's why you might choose
one way over another, here's some things you might see out in the wild and
how to improve on them. Our github organization is located at
http://github.com/ChicagoPM and if you want to help contribute, e-mail me
and I'll add you to the team.

Doug Bell
madcityzen at gmail.com
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From joel.a.berger at gmail.com  Mon May 20 11:16:57 2013
From: joel.a.berger at gmail.com (Joel Berger)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:16:57 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meeting this Thursday, May 23, 6:30pm - Building
 Command-Line Apps; ChicagoPM Github Organization
In-Reply-To: <-7322033867164208648@unknownmsgid>
References: <-7322033867164208648@unknownmsgid>
Message-ID: <CAAMA-9OK1KrVPPkXR0Y+j4+8wc48RB5_a4u9XaGu5H=driQmaw@mail.gmail.com>

When we add people, we shouldn't add them to the owners group. Owners can
spend money. :-)

Joel


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:

> This week, I'll be giving an intermediate-level presentation on building
> command-line applications, starting from simple scripts and moving on
> through module-based, structured applications using CPAN frameworks.
> Knowledge of Perl is recommended, though knowledge of command-line apps is
> not.
>
> The meeting will be at our usual location, 540 W Madison St. in the 9th
> floor conference rooms. Pizza and beverages will be provided (if you have
> requests for specific flavors of pizza or beverage, let me know).
>
> Meetup link:
> http://www.meetup.com/Windy-City-Perl-mongers-Meetup/events/119961772/
>
> Please RSVP on the meetup page before 4:00pm on Thursday to make your
> entrance as smooth as possible (RSVP is not strictly required, but it will
> be hard for me to give the presentation and authorize security to let you
> in at the same time). Directions are on the Meetup page.
>
> This will be the first in a set of free, open-source intermediate-level
> presentations released by the Chicago.PM organization on Github. The
> presentation itself will be released with a Creative Commons
> Attribution-ShareAlike license, and the code inside the presentation will
> be licensed under the same terms as Perl itself (Artistic License 1 or GPL
> version 1 at your discretion). Our goal is to build a repository of living
> presentations that pick up after the beginner's workshops and explore
> single topics with some depth. Emphasis will be placed on best practices
> with pragmatism: Here's multiple ways to do it, here's why you might choose
> one way over another, here's some things you might see out in the wild and
> how to improve on them. Our github organization is located at
> http://github.com/ChicagoPM and if you want to help contribute, e-mail me
> and I'll add you to the team.
>
> Doug Bell
> madcityzen at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
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From joel.a.berger at gmail.com  Mon May 20 11:18:39 2013
From: joel.a.berger at gmail.com (Joel Berger)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:18:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meeting this Thursday, May 23, 6:30pm - Building
 Command-Line Apps; ChicagoPM Github Organization
In-Reply-To: <CAAMA-9OK1KrVPPkXR0Y+j4+8wc48RB5_a4u9XaGu5H=driQmaw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <-7322033867164208648@unknownmsgid>
	<CAAMA-9OK1KrVPPkXR0Y+j4+8wc48RB5_a4u9XaGu5H=driQmaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAMA-9PhQ+4vWum9C1KnHzjEvJkbHXg6OsnOe1=cN=v6_c3QtA@mail.gmail.com>

Hmmmmm, I already kinda regret the previous email. Who am I to decide who
is an owner? Hmmmm. Oh well, we'll get there when we get there.


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Joel Berger <joel.a.berger at gmail.com>wrote:

> When we add people, we shouldn't add them to the owners group. Owners can
> spend money. :-)
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This week, I'll be giving an intermediate-level presentation on building
>> command-line applications, starting from simple scripts and moving on
>> through module-based, structured applications using CPAN frameworks.
>> Knowledge of Perl is recommended, though knowledge of command-line apps is
>> not.
>>
>> The meeting will be at our usual location, 540 W Madison St. in the 9th
>> floor conference rooms. Pizza and beverages will be provided (if you have
>> requests for specific flavors of pizza or beverage, let me know).
>>
>> Meetup link:
>> http://www.meetup.com/Windy-City-Perl-mongers-Meetup/events/119961772/
>>
>> Please RSVP on the meetup page before 4:00pm on Thursday to make your
>> entrance as smooth as possible (RSVP is not strictly required, but it will
>> be hard for me to give the presentation and authorize security to let you
>> in at the same time). Directions are on the Meetup page.
>>
>> This will be the first in a set of free, open-source intermediate-level
>> presentations released by the Chicago.PM organization on Github. The
>> presentation itself will be released with a Creative Commons
>> Attribution-ShareAlike license, and the code inside the presentation will
>> be licensed under the same terms as Perl itself (Artistic License 1 or GPL
>> version 1 at your discretion). Our goal is to build a repository of living
>> presentations that pick up after the beginner's workshops and explore
>> single topics with some depth. Emphasis will be placed on best practices
>> with pragmatism: Here's multiple ways to do it, here's why you might choose
>> one way over another, here's some things you might see out in the wild and
>> how to improve on them. Our github organization is located at
>> http://github.com/ChicagoPM and if you want to help contribute, e-mail
>> me and I'll add you to the team.
>>
>> Doug Bell
>> madcityzen at gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>
>
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From madcityzen at gmail.com  Mon May 20 11:24:29 2013
From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2013 13:24:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meeting this Thursday, May 23, 6:30pm - Building
 Command-Line Apps; ChicagoPM Github Organization
In-Reply-To: <CAAMA-9PhQ+4vWum9C1KnHzjEvJkbHXg6OsnOe1=cN=v6_c3QtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <-7322033867164208648@unknownmsgid>
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There is a certain level of trust and responsibility required for the
Owners group though: They can add/remove other Owners, and they can
add/remove Repositories. My reasoning is that we have a "Members" team that
has read/write access to all repositories (that doesn't happen
automatically unfortunately) and most people will be there.

All the repos will be public anyway, so membership in the organization is
not necessary for contributions (pull requests work too). But it can be
nice to say "Member of and contributor to the Chicago.PM Github
Organization."

Doug Bell
madcityzen at gmail.com

On May 20, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Joel Berger <joel.a.berger at gmail.com> wrote:

Hmmmmm, I already kinda regret the previous email. Who am I to decide who
is an owner? Hmmmm. Oh well, we'll get there when we get there.


On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 1:16 PM, Joel Berger <joel.a.berger at gmail.com>wrote:

> When we add people, we shouldn't add them to the owners group. Owners can
> spend money. :-)
>
> Joel
>
>
> On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 12:36 PM, Doug Bell <madcityzen at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> This week, I'll be giving an intermediate-level presentation on building
>> command-line applications, starting from simple scripts and moving on
>> through module-based, structured applications using CPAN frameworks.
>> Knowledge of Perl is recommended, though knowledge of command-line apps is
>> not.
>>
>> The meeting will be at our usual location, 540 W Madison St. in the 9th
>> floor conference rooms. Pizza and beverages will be provided (if you have
>> requests for specific flavors of pizza or beverage, let me know).
>>
>> Meetup link:
>> http://www.meetup.com/Windy-City-Perl-mongers-Meetup/events/119961772/
>>
>> Please RSVP on the meetup page before 4:00pm on Thursday to make your
>> entrance as smooth as possible (RSVP is not strictly required, but it will
>> be hard for me to give the presentation and authorize security to let you
>> in at the same time). Directions are on the Meetup page.
>>
>> This will be the first in a set of free, open-source intermediate-level
>> presentations released by the Chicago.PM organization on Github. The
>> presentation itself will be released with a Creative Commons
>> Attribution-ShareAlike license, and the code inside the presentation will
>> be licensed under the same terms as Perl itself (Artistic License 1 or GPL
>> version 1 at your discretion). Our goal is to build a repository of living
>> presentations that pick up after the beginner's workshops and explore
>> single topics with some depth. Emphasis will be placed on best practices
>> with pragmatism: Here's multiple ways to do it, here's why you might choose
>> one way over another, here's some things you might see out in the wild and
>> how to improve on them. Our github organization is located at
>> http://github.com/ChicagoPM and if you want to help contribute, e-mail
>> me and I'll add you to the team.
>>
>> Doug Bell
>> madcityzen at gmail.com
>>
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