From JJacobus at PonyX.com Wed Jan 2 10:27:10 2013 From: JJacobus at PonyX.com (Jim Jacobus) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 12:27:10 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Trying to trace down a entry point error. Message-ID: <20130102182740.94C6C11FA85@xx1.develooper.com> I'm getting the following pop-up: "The procedure entry point Perl_hv_common could not be located in the dynamic link library perl58.dll" when running perl from the command line on Window 7. I have Perl 5.8.8 (MSWin32-X86-multi-thread). This started after I installed several modules using PPM a couple of weeks ago. I haven't been able to backtrack since the modules I installed had a lot of dependances. I can't figure out where this is coming from. Is there anyway to trace this, or should I just do a complete re-install? From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Wed Jan 2 11:07:49 2013 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:07:49 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Trying to trace down a entry point error. In-Reply-To: <20130102182740.94C6C11FA85@xx1.develooper.com> References: <20130102182740.94C6C11FA85@xx1.develooper.com> Message-ID: The Google suggests: The Perl_hv_common symbol is to be found in the 5.8.9's perl58.dll, but I suspect it might be missing from 5.8.8's perl58.dll. (It's certainly missing from 5.8.0's perl58.dll.) http://code.activestate.com/lists/perl-win32-users/33324/ so one of your installed mod is presupposing 5.8.9 w/o requiring the Perl version #, perhaps. a ---------------------- Andy Bach Systems Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Voice: (608) 261-5738, Cell: (608) 658-1890 "If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete themselves upon execution." Robert Sewell. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From JJacobus at PonyX.com Wed Jan 2 13:25:24 2013 From: JJacobus at PonyX.com (Jim Jacobus) Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 15:25:24 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Trying to trace down a entry point error. In-Reply-To: References: <20130102182740.94C6C11FA85@xx1.develooper.com> Message-ID: <20130102212530.748A611ED29@xx1.develooper.com> Thanks for the research. I guess I'll just de-install modules in reverse order (if I can figure that out), until the error goes away. Hopefully I can find it. Thanks. At 01:07 PM 1/2/2013, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov wrote: >The Google suggests: >The Perl_hv_common symbol is to be found in the 5.8.9's perl58.dll, but I >suspect it might be missing from 5.8.8's perl58.dll. (It's certainly missing >from 5.8.0's perl58.dll.) > >http://code.activestate.com/lists/perl-win32-users/33324/ > > >so one of your installed mod is presupposing 5.8.9 w/o requiring the >Perl version #, perhaps. > >a > > >---------------------- >Andy Bach >Systems Mangler >Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov >Voice: (608) 261-5738, Cell: (608) 658-1890 > >"If Java had true garbage collection, most programs would delete >themselves upon execution." >Robert Sewell. >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcmertens.perl at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:25:17 2013 From: dcmertens.perl at gmail.com (David Mertens) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:25:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup next week? Message-ID: Hey everyone - At one point we had discussed meeting for project nights on the second Thursday of the month. Is this still a go for next Thursday? Thanks! David -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." -- Brian Kernighan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madcityzen at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:32:48 2013 From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:32:48 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup next week? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <-5831523078014461194@unknownmsgid> Yep. I'll set it up and send the announcements. Doug Bell madcityzen at gmail.com On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:25 PM, David Mertens wrote: > Hey everyone - > > At one point we had discussed meeting for project nights on the second Thursday of the month. Is this still a go for next Thursday? > > Thanks! > David > > -- > "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. > Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, > by definition, not smart enough to debug it." -- Brian Kernighan > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From madcityzen at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:42:17 2013 From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:42:17 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup next week? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1197613336455807164@unknownmsgid> Done. http://www.meetup.com/Windy-City-Perl-mongers-Meetup/events/97926272/ We also need a speaker for this month, or I could subject you all to a talk about the various module build systems Perl has (I can now say I've used them all). Doug Bell madcityzen at gmail.com On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:25 PM, David Mertens wrote: Hey everyone - At one point we had discussed meeting for project nights on the second Thursday of the month. Is this still a go for next Thursday? Thanks! David -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." -- Brian Kernighan _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From joel.a.berger at gmail.com Fri Jan 4 12:47:12 2013 From: joel.a.berger at gmail.com (Joel Berger) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 14:47:12 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup next week? In-Reply-To: <1197613336455807164@unknownmsgid> References: <1197613336455807164@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: An overview of build systems sounds like fun. Just FYI, I have on occasion been tinkering with a port of Module::Build to Moo: I call it Moodule::Build! https://github.com/jberger/Moodule-Build On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Doug Bell wrote: > Done. > http://www.meetup.com/Windy-City-Perl-mongers-Meetup/events/97926272/ > > We also need a speaker for this month, or I could subject you all to a > talk about the various module build systems Perl has (I can now say I've > used them all). > > Doug Bell > madcityzen at gmail.com > > On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:25 PM, David Mertens > wrote: > > Hey everyone - > > At one point we had discussed meeting for project nights on the second > Thursday of the month. Is this still a go for next Thursday? > > Thanks! > David > > -- > "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. > Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, > by definition, not smart enough to debug it." -- Brian Kernighan > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sblanton at choppertrading.com Fri Jan 4 14:09:08 2013 From: sblanton at choppertrading.com (Sean Blanton) Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 22:09:08 +0000 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup next week? In-Reply-To: References: <1197613336455807164@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6C8776C@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> I have a billion Dist::Zilla questions.. From: Chicago-talk [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+sblanton=choppertrading.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Joel Berger Sent: Friday, January 04, 2013 2:47 PM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Meetup next week? An overview of build systems sounds like fun. Just FYI, I have on occasion been tinkering with a port of Module::Build to Moo: I call it Moodule::Build! https://github.com/jberger/Moodule-Build On Fri, Jan 4, 2013 at 2:42 PM, Doug Bell > wrote: Done. http://www.meetup.com/Windy-City-Perl-mongers-Meetup/events/97926272/ We also need a speaker for this month, or I could subject you all to a talk about the various module build systems Perl has (I can now say I've used them all). Doug Bell madcityzen at gmail.com On Jan 4, 2013, at 2:25 PM, David Mertens > wrote: Hey everyone - At one point we had discussed meeting for project nights on the second Thursday of the month. Is this still a go for next Thursday? Thanks! David -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." -- Brian Kernighan _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING: This email including any attachments may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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In this raw genetic-sequencing data, he could see the hidden history of a deadly outbreak that was raging just a few hundred yards from where he sat. -- Michael Potter Tapp Solutions, LLC Replatform Technologies, LLC +1 770 815 6142 ** Atlanta ** michael at potter.name ** www.linkedin.com/in/michaelpotter From joel.a.berger at gmail.com Thu Jan 24 19:48:44 2013 From: joel.a.berger at gmail.com (Joel Berger) Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 21:48:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: Dear Chicagoland Computing Groups - (From your friendly Chicago Java Users Group) In-Reply-To: <5101c97b.c5c5320a.3fbb.66fa@mx.google.com> References: <5101c97b.c5c5320a.3fbb.66fa@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If such an event occurs Perl should be a part of it! Cheers, Joel Berger ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Freddy Guime Date: Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:53 PM Subject: Dear Chicagoland Computing Groups - (From your friendly Chicago Java Users Group) To: secretary at chicagoacm.org, chair at chicagoacm.org, rrivera at acm.org, jwelch at redshift-software.com, jay at m5.chicago.il.us, kgander at pobox.com, cm655 at yahoo.com, jstonkin at speedsite.com, dean at deanwampler.com, jonathan.seidman at gmail.com, andrew at cloudbakers.com, richardc at alcf.anl.gov, chicagodataviz at gmail.com, board at cjug.org, brian.moschel at gmail.com, rth at wisdomgroup.com, mike.atkinson at gmail.com, Tonykv at live.com, hillel.meyers at gmail.com, Mail at chicagowomendevs.com, uki at cyberwalkabout.com, chipy at chipy.org, info at flourishconf.com, joe.hummel at gmail.com, owner-ieee-e-notice at bmsmail3.ieee.org, vivek.vaid at gmail.com, ufo-info at tastytronic.net, joel.a.berger at gmail.com, greenberg.ron at gmail.com Cc: board at cjug.org I come in peace J (had to say that),**** ** ** Actually I come with the idea of organizing a Chicagowide hack-a-thon, and make it a large event (say three days). I think is time we make Chicago a great place to be a developer (it already is, but wanted to start doing events only for developers). Individually our groups are a little small (ok, fine, the Java group is, ACM probably have membership in the hundreds of thousands J), but if we put our resources together, we could start doing fun and inspiring things (like having speakers coming to give a talk before the hack-a-thon begins), plus we could really try and leverage companies in Chicago to help in our hack-a-thon efforts. In all we can show everyone how great of a place Chicago is to be a geek. Forget California!, -40f winters and deep dish is what makes developers develop great things!!**** ** ** This of course is right now on the ?imagine? stage, and my first question is:**** ** ** If your group is interested, can someone on your group volunteer to make this happen?**** ** ** https://docs.google.com/a/cjug.org/document/d/1g41ZwgVbC8pGB9a3sWxQWjEcWU3lN_PJQn5BPbzGdio/edit# (description of the event)**** ** ** ** ** If we have enough volunteers then we will have a working group and can really start planning this in earnest.**** ** ** Also, I tried to reach as many groups as Dr Greenberg managed to put on his spreadsheet, but is by no means all of them. Can you be so kind if you know I missed any group to forward this on?**** ** ** Thanks!**** ** ** So long, and thanks for all the Fish!**** ** ** Freddy Guime**** CJUG Board Member**** ** ** ** ** ** ** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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David On Jan 24, 2013 9:48 PM, "Joel Berger" wrote: > If such an event occurs Perl should be a part of it! > > Cheers, > > Joel Berger > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Freddy Guime > Date: Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 5:53 PM > Subject: Dear Chicagoland Computing Groups - (From your friendly Chicago > Java Users Group) > To: secretary at chicagoacm.org, chair at chicagoacm.org, rrivera at acm.org, > jwelch at redshift-software.com, jay at m5.chicago.il.us, kgander at pobox.com, > cm655 at yahoo.com, jstonkin at speedsite.com, dean at deanwampler.com, > jonathan.seidman at gmail.com, andrew at cloudbakers.com, richardc at alcf.anl.gov, > chicagodataviz at gmail.com, board at cjug.org, brian.moschel at gmail.com, > rth at wisdomgroup.com, mike.atkinson at gmail.com, Tonykv at live.com, > hillel.meyers at gmail.com, Mail at chicagowomendevs.com, uki at cyberwalkabout.com, > chipy at chipy.org, info at flourishconf.com, joe.hummel at gmail.com, > owner-ieee-e-notice at bmsmail3.ieee.org, vivek.vaid at gmail.com, > ufo-info at tastytronic.net, joel.a.berger at gmail.com, greenberg.ron at gmail.com > Cc: board at cjug.org > > > I come in peace J (had to say that),**** > > ** ** > > Actually I come with the idea of organizing a Chicagowide hack-a-thon, and > make it a large event (say three days). I think is time we make Chicago a > great place to be a developer (it already is, but wanted to start doing > events only for developers). Individually our groups are a little small > (ok, fine, the Java group is, ACM probably have membership in the hundreds > of thousands J), but if we put our resources together, we could start > doing fun and inspiring things (like having speakers coming to give a talk > before the hack-a-thon begins), plus we could really try and leverage > companies in Chicago to help in our hack-a-thon efforts. In all we can show > everyone how great of a place Chicago is to be a geek. Forget California!, > -40f winters and deep dish is what makes developers develop great things!! > **** > > ** ** > > This of course is right now on the ?imagine? stage, and my first question > is:**** > > ** ** > > If your group is interested, can someone on your group volunteer to make > this happen?**** > > ** ** > > > https://docs.google.com/a/cjug.org/document/d/1g41ZwgVbC8pGB9a3sWxQWjEcWU3lN_PJQn5BPbzGdio/edit# > (description of the event)**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > If we have enough volunteers then we will have a working group and can > really start planning this in earnest.**** > > ** ** > > Also, I tried to reach as many groups as Dr Greenberg managed to put on > his spreadsheet, but is by no means all of them. Can you be so kind if you > know I missed any group to forward this on?**** > > ** ** > > Thanks!**** > > ** ** > > So long, and thanks for all the Fish!**** > > ** ** > > Freddy Guime**** > > CJUG Board Member**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From madcityzen at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 10:08:45 2013 From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 12:08:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed Message-ID: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers for February's meeting (February 28). Are there any topics that anyone would like to speak about? Are there any topics that other people would like to hear about? If we can't get one big topic, we could also do 2-4 lightning talks. I know I could give at least one lightning talk about my media management project. Doug Bell madcityzen at gmail.com From joel.a.berger at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 17:23:21 2013 From: joel.a.berger at gmail.com (Joel Berger) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:23:21 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: We had a talk on Dancer, would we like a talk on Mojolicious? The routing etc is similar, but perhaps some of the "batteries included" stuff that is (possibly controversially) added could be discussed. This includes the DOM parser, and useragent, which together allows incredible testing. Further I could demonstrate websockets. Thoughts? Joel On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Doug Bell wrote: > We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers for > February's meeting (February 28). Are there any topics that anyone > would like to speak about? Are there any topics that other people > would like to hear about? If we can't get one big topic, we could also > do 2-4 lightning talks. > > I know I could give at least one lightning talk about my media > management project. > > Doug Bell > madcityzen at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dcmertens.perl at gmail.com Tue Jan 29 20:05:28 2013 From: dcmertens.perl at gmail.com (David Mertens) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:05:28 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: Ah, well hrm. I signed up for a Bible study at my church this year for Lent, and it shall be on Thursday nights starting in mid February and running through the end of March. (Easter is on March 31, in case you were wondering.) I'm afraid this means I won't be able to make any more Perl Mongers events until the project night in April! Well, I might make it to the project night in February, too, depending on when we actually start meeting. Sorry, but feel free to put me down to talk about something in April. I have all kinds of things I can talk about. This might encourage me to finish up my Prima::Talk module, and then give a talk about it. :-) David On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 7:23 PM, Joel Berger wrote: > We had a talk on Dancer, would we like a talk on Mojolicious? > > The routing etc is similar, but perhaps some of the "batteries included" > stuff that is (possibly controversially) added could be discussed. This > includes the DOM parser, and useragent, which together allows incredible > testing. Further I could demonstrate websockets. > > Thoughts? > > Joel > > > On Tue, Jan 29, 2013 at 12:08 PM, Doug Bell wrote: > >> We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers for >> February's meeting (February 28). Are there any topics that anyone >> would like to speak about? Are there any topics that other people >> would like to hear about? If we can't get one big topic, we could also >> do 2-4 lightning talks. >> >> I know I could give at least one lightning talk about my media >> management project. >> >> Doug Bell >> madcityzen at gmail.com >> _______________________________________________ >> Chicago-talk mailing list >> Chicago-talk at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it." -- Brian Kernighan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeff at imaginative-software.com Tue Jan 29 21:22:18 2013 From: jeff at imaginative-software.com (Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer) Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 21:22:18 -0800 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> Message-ID: <03B783B3-5BF5-44FB-AEF5-4F0AF2A04883@imaginative-software.com> On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Doug Bell wrote: > We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers I'd love to come out and talk about Pinto and Stratopan this summer. I'll take any excuse to visit Chicago again. Sorry I can't help with the February meeting though. -Jeff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From: Chicago-talk [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+sblanton=choppertrading.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:22 PM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Doug Bell wrote: We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers I'd love to come out and talk about Pinto and Stratopan this summer. I'll take any excuse to visit Chicago again. Sorry I can't help with the February meeting though. -Jeff ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING: This email including any attachments may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized use or disclosure of this communication is prohibited. This e-mail may also be subject to specific non-disclosure and confidentiality provisions. The information contained herein is the property of Chopper Trading, LLC. 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From: Chicago-talk [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+sblanton=choppertrading.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Sean Blanton Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2013 6:35 AM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed I can talk about multicast and pad it with related trivia (IO::Socket::Multicast, Net::Pcap, Net::Frame::Layer, network protocols - stuff like that). Multicast is a great tool and I think more people would use it if they knew about it. From: Chicago-talk [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+sblanton=choppertrading.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2013 11:22 PM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Doug Bell wrote: We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers I'd love to come out and talk about Pinto and Stratopan this summer. I'll take any excuse to visit Chicago again. 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URL: From madcityzen at gmail.com Wed Jan 30 12:59:42 2013 From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell) Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 14:59:42 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Spring Integration Framework for Perl Message-ID: <2468513202168582990@unknownmsgid> I've got a number of processes being coordinated by a message queue. Each job consists of a number of steps, and each process handles one specific step for each job, like an assembly line. Each process keeps data about the current job run and puts it on a queue so that the next process knows what it has to do. I have an idea to build a framework around this so that I can add in-depth reporting and more flexibility, but it seems there are already frameworks in other languages that do exactly this (a co-worker pointed me to Spring's Integration Framework in Java). This is not a way to get parallelization, but it is a way to manage parallelization or delayed jobs (if a job has to wait for human input, for example) and provide reporting and monitoring on all the currently running jobs. Is there anything existing on CPAN to do this? Doug Bell madcityzen at gmail.com From jtk at depaul.edu Thu Jan 31 09:50:11 2013 From: jtk at depaul.edu (John Kristoff) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:50:11 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6CB4307@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> <03B783B3-5BF5-44FB-AEF5-4F0AF2A04883@imaginative-software.com> <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6CB4307@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> Message-ID: <20130131175011.GA12204@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu> On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:34:37PM +0000, Sean Blanton wrote: > I can talk about multicast and pad it with related trivia > (IO::Socket::Multicast, Net::Pcap, Net::Frame::Layer, network > protocols - stuff like that). Multicast is a great tool and I think > more people would use it if they knew about it. Hi Sean, This would be an interesting topic and I'd tried to attend if I could (my first ever). However, having done lots of IP multicast over the years at both depaul.edu, northwestern.edu and cooperation with the global Internet multicast-enabled community, I'm going to rain on your parade a bit. Inter-domain multicast has never gained much traction outside a few niche areas even after years and years of a few dedicated people trying, yours truly included, and I doubt it ever will. Judging by your email address, I suspect you may have it deployed within an organization, where high-volume "hoot-n-holler" and ticker apps can readily take advantage of it. Northwestern has made significant use of it internally for cable TV to dorms where it was too expensive to rewire. A number of networks have also used it for PC imaging (e.g. Norton Ghost). These are good use cases, but wide deployment of Internet multicast appears to be largely dead and possibly rightfully so. Part of the reason is the fundamental change in how the network has to setup and maintain forwarding to groups. It is almost completely upside down from traditional unicast-based routing. If you've never operated networks before, believe me I could go on an on about how non-trivial this is from a protocol perspective, a vendor equipment perspective, a network operator support perspective and a security perspective. Nonetheless, I too have found Net::Pcap as well as related modules such as NetPacket, Net::Packet, Net::DNS, Net::SSLeay and the various generic Socket modules both helpful and useful for lots of work. I'm certain I could pick up some good information from you talk, so please do it, even if I'm not so encouraged by IP multicast these days. In fact, I'm downright disgruntled with the injuries to prove it. :-) Joh From sblanton at choppertrading.com Thu Jan 31 11:07:16 2013 From: sblanton at choppertrading.com (Sean Blanton) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 19:07:16 +0000 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <20130131175011.GA12204@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu> References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> <03B783B3-5BF5-44FB-AEF5-4F0AF2A04883@imaginative-software.com> <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6CB4307@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> <20130131175011.GA12204@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu> Message-ID: <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6CBAD06@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> Thanks, but no, I wasn't going to talk about anything specific about the trading industry. In fact, just using multicast as an alternative to signals and tcp sockets in program to program communication. Given that a good fraction of the perl mongers are in the trading industry, maybe that's not a very good topic - you were the only +ish vote. I spoke not too long ago, so I don't have a lot of new stuff - trying to fill the void. -----Original Message----- From: Chicago-talk [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+sblanton=choppertrading.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of John Kristoff Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:50 AM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:34:37PM +0000, Sean Blanton wrote: > I can talk about multicast and pad it with related trivia > (IO::Socket::Multicast, Net::Pcap, Net::Frame::Layer, network > protocols - stuff like that). Multicast is a great tool and I think > more people would use it if they knew about it. Hi Sean, This would be an interesting topic and I'd tried to attend if I could (my first ever). However, having done lots of IP multicast over the years at both depaul.edu, northwestern.edu and cooperation with the global Internet multicast-enabled community, I'm going to rain on your parade a bit. Inter-domain multicast has never gained much traction outside a few niche areas even after years and years of a few dedicated people trying, yours truly included, and I doubt it ever will. Judging by your email address, I suspect you may have it deployed within an organization, where high-volume "hoot-n-holler" and ticker apps can readily take advantage of it. Northwestern has made significant use of it internally for cable TV to dorms where it was too expensive to rewire. A number of networks have also used it for PC imaging (e.g. Norton Ghost). These are good use cases, but wide deployment of Internet multicast appears to be largely dead and possibly rightfully so. Part of the reason is the fundamental change in how the network has to setup and maintain forwarding to groups. It is almost completely upside down from traditional unicast-based routing. If you've never operated networks before, believe me I could go on an on about how non-trivial this is from a protocol perspective, a vendor equipment perspective, a network operator support perspective and a security perspective. Nonetheless, I too have found Net::Pcap as well as related modules such as NetPacket, Net::Packet, Net::DNS, Net::SSLeay and the various generic Socket modules both helpful and useful for lots of work. I'm certain I could pick up some good information from you talk, so please do it, even if I'm not so encouraged by IP multicast these days. In fact, I'm downright disgruntled with the injuries to prove it. :-) Joh _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk ________________________________ CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING: This email including any attachments may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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From madcityzen at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 11:50:21 2013 From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:50:21 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6CBAD06@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> <03B783B3-5BF5-44FB-AEF5-4F0AF2A04883@imaginative-software.com> <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6CB4307@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> <20130131175011.GA12204@aharp.iorc.depaul.edu> <4927DE4B01D79B468A695E39968C4A29F6CBAD06@CHJ-WS-EXCH02.choppertrading.com> Message-ID: <5336395181579515646@unknownmsgid> Personally, I'd love to hear about it, but I really like hearing about everything and anything. Even when I already think I know a lot about a topic, there's always something else to learn and someone else's perspective on a topic can be just as enlightening. Doug Bell madcityzen at gmail.com On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Sean Blanton wrote: > Thanks, but no, I wasn't going to talk about anything specific about the trading industry. In fact, just using multicast as an alternative to signals and tcp sockets in program to program communication. Given that a good fraction of the perl mongers are in the trading industry, maybe that's not a very good topic - you were the only +ish vote. > > I spoke not too long ago, so I don't have a lot of new stuff - trying to fill the void. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chicago-talk [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+sblanton=choppertrading.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of John Kristoff > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 11:50 AM > To: Chicago.pm chatter > Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed > > On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 12:34:37PM +0000, Sean Blanton wrote: >> I can talk about multicast and pad it with related trivia >> (IO::Socket::Multicast, Net::Pcap, Net::Frame::Layer, network >> protocols - stuff like that). Multicast is a great tool and I think >> more people would use it if they knew about it. > > Hi Sean, > > This would be an interesting topic and I'd tried to attend if I could > (my first ever). > > However, having done lots of IP multicast over the years at both > depaul.edu, northwestern.edu and cooperation with the global Internet > multicast-enabled community, I'm going to rain on your parade a bit. > Inter-domain multicast has never gained much traction outside a few > niche areas even after years and years of a few dedicated people trying, > yours truly included, and I doubt it ever will. > > Judging by your email address, I suspect you may have it deployed within > an organization, where high-volume "hoot-n-holler" and ticker apps can > readily take advantage of it. Northwestern has made significant use of > it internally for cable TV to dorms where it was too expensive to > rewire. A number of networks have also used it for PC imaging (e.g. > Norton Ghost). > > These are good use cases, but wide deployment of Internet multicast > appears to be largely dead and possibly rightfully so. Part of the > reason is the fundamental change in how the network has to setup and > maintain forwarding to groups. It is almost completely upside down from > traditional unicast-based routing. If you've never operated networks > before, believe me I could go on an on about how non-trivial this is > from a protocol perspective, a vendor equipment perspective, a network > operator support perspective and a security perspective. > > Nonetheless, I too have found Net::Pcap as well as related modules such > as NetPacket, Net::Packet, Net::DNS, Net::SSLeay and the various generic > Socket modules both helpful and useful for lots of work. I'm certain I > could pick up some good information from you talk, so please do it, even > if I'm not so encouraged by IP multicast these days. In fact, I'm > downright disgruntled with the injuries to prove it. :-) > > Joh > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > ________________________________ > > CONFIDENTIALITY WARNING: This email including any attachments may contain privileged or confidential information and is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any unauthorized use or disclosure of this communication is prohibited. This e-mail may also be subject to specific non-disclosure and confidentiality provisions. The information contained herein is the property of Chopper Trading, LLC. If you believe that you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From madcityzen at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 11:52:45 2013 From: madcityzen at gmail.com (Doug Bell) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 13:52:45 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <03B783B3-5BF5-44FB-AEF5-4F0AF2A04883@imaginative-software.com> References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> <03B783B3-5BF5-44FB-AEF5-4F0AF2A04883@imaginative-software.com> Message-ID: <-7176940301499513865@unknownmsgid> On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer < jeff at imaginative-software.com> wrote: On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Doug Bell wrote: We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers I'd love to come out and talk about Pinto and Stratopan this summer. 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If our regular 4th-Thursday doesn't work, we can move it a bit. > > Doug Bell > madcityzen at gmail.com > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mikefrag at gmail.com Thu Jan 31 21:28:44 2013 From: mikefrag at gmail.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:28:44 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Speakers needed In-Reply-To: <6982BE51-9C9B-4B5D-BF95-B8D6256BA27B@gmail.com> References: <-3526721787261067045@unknownmsgid> <03B783B3-5BF5-44FB-AEF5-4F0AF2A04883@imaginative-software.com> <-7176940301499513865@unknownmsgid> <6982BE51-9C9B-4B5D-BF95-B8D6256BA27B@gmail.com> Message-ID: Another +1 for multicast. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Warren Lindsey wrote: > +1 multicast > > > On Jan 31, 2013, at 1:52 PM, Doug Bell wrote: > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 11:22 PM, Jeffrey Ryan Thalhammer < > jeff at imaginative-software.com> wrote: > > > On Jan 29, 2013, at 10:08 AM, Doug Bell wrote: > > We've run out of speaker backlog, and need some volunteers > > > I'd love to come out and talk about Pinto > and Stratopan this summer. I'll take any excuse > to visit Chicago again. > > > Pick a month and we'd be happy to have you. 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