From sean at blanton.com  Mon Aug  1 07:39:00 2011
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:39:00 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAPk17=46bgFbmQ1TxpZKPZSrsZEN5sLMLx6YWcHN5vO=9kErJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFa6BoFS3dfc6fzVOum71XctgRHzugJacdZUNT6HDNHre8e7uQ@mail.gmail.com>
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How about 6:30?

Regards,
Sean




On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 2:46 AM, brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Shawn Carroll
> <shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Instead of 7pm, could we move this back to 6pm?
>
> Does anyone object to starting meetings earlier?
>
> --
> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
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From sean at blanton.com  Mon Aug  1 07:47:26 2011
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 09:47:26 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAD0pDW6sRai8JwGo3H3pAGJ8vMbWRwOd7LseRsA++ThSckPaLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFa6BoFS3dfc6fzVOum71XctgRHzugJacdZUNT6HDNHre8e7uQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Never mind, I'm late to reply - I see you already set the time. 6 is iffy
for me going forward.

Regards,
Sean




On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Sean Blanton <sean at blanton.com> wrote:

> How about 6:30?
>
> Regards,
> Sean
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 30, 2011 at 2:46 AM, brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Shawn Carroll
>> <shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Instead of 7pm, could we move this back to 6pm?
>>
>> Does anyone object to starting meetings earlier?
>>
>> --
>> brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
>> http://www.pair.com/~comdog/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
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From richard at rushlogistics.com  Mon Aug  1 14:32:04 2011
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] return value of failed system call
Message-ID: <20110801213204.7E9A452B@courageux.xo.com>

I am writing a short script that will install several packages and report if any fail.  The problem I am having is that whether the install fails of succeeds I am getting "0" as a result.  I am doing the follwing:

my $result = system("yum -y install NotA_real_package.hah-ha");

and $result comes back as "0" just as it does when I successfully install a package. I am using CentOS. 

Any help would be greatly appreicated.


-- 
Richard Reina
Rush Logistics, Inc.
Watch our 3 minute movie: 
http://www.rushlogistics.com/movie


From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Mon Aug  1 14:43:38 2011
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2011 14:43:38 -0700
Subject: [Chicago-talk] return value of failed system call
In-Reply-To: <20110801213204.7E9A452B@courageux.xo.com> (Richard Reina's
	message of "Mon, 01 Aug 2011 17:32:04 -0400 (EDT)")
References: <20110801213204.7E9A452B@courageux.xo.com>
Message-ID: <86bow8iz91.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Richard" == Richard Reina <richard at rushlogistics.com> writes:

Richard> I am writing a short script that will install several packages
Richard> and report if any fail.  The problem I am having is that
Richard> whether the install fails of succeeds I am getting "0" as a
Richard> result.  I am doing the follwing: my $result = system("yum -y
Richard> install NotA_real_package.hah-ha");

Richard> and $result comes back as "0" just as it does when I
Richard> successfully install a package. I am using CentOS.

It's up to the authors of yum to write code the way you want it.  If
they don't return a non-zero for a failed install, you'll have to parse
the error messages instead.

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
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From frag at ripco.com  Mon Aug  1 18:32:45 2011
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:32:45 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAD0pDW5wcw4_8rjLXwVXywW2bDP_CmGxSXE+4iA8Z6v93sr4-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1108012030560.7570@shell3.ripco.com>


I'm in the same boat.  Will there be a problem getting in if I can't
arrive until 6:30?


On Mon, 1 Aug 2011, Sean Blanton wrote:

> Never mind, I'm late to reply - I see you already set the time. 6 is iffy
> for me going forward.
>
> Regards,
> Sean

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Aug  1 18:35:38 2011
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 20:35:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.1108012030560.7570@shell3.ripco.com>
References: <CAFa6BoFS3dfc6fzVOum71XctgRHzugJacdZUNT6HDNHre8e7uQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAD0pDW6sRai8JwGo3H3pAGJ8vMbWRwOd7LseRsA++ThSckPaLg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <3FE91016-6A17-44A1-9529-95C9FC658F9B@petdance.com>


On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote:

> I'm in the same boat.  Will there be a problem getting in if I can't
> arrive until 6:30?


Sounds like if there's any hope of having people outside the city being there, times will have to be moved back.  As it is, a 6:00 start time is basically saying "Too bad" to the suburban folks.

xoa


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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 19:02:15 2011
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:02:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
In-Reply-To: <3FE91016-6A17-44A1-9529-95C9FC658F9B@petdance.com>
References: <CAFa6BoFS3dfc6fzVOum71XctgRHzugJacdZUNT6HDNHre8e7uQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAPk17=46bgFbmQ1TxpZKPZSrsZEN5sLMLx6YWcHN5vO=9kErJA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD0pDW6sRai8JwGo3H3pAGJ8vMbWRwOd7LseRsA++ThSckPaLg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAD0pDW5wcw4_8rjLXwVXywW2bDP_CmGxSXE+4iA8Z6v93sr4-w@mail.gmail.com>
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> Sounds like if there's any hope of having people outside the city being
> there, times will have to be moved back. ?As it is, a 6:00 start time is
> basically saying "Too bad" to the suburban folks.

Every time is saying "too bad" to some group. The people not working
in Chicago can't get there in time or the people who have to take
trains back to the 'burbs have to leave early. We're going to try 6pm
for a few meetings and see how people like it.

Last time, there was a bit of socializing and chatting at the start.
If someone gets there late, it's not a big deal.

From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 19:35:45 2011
From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:35:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
In-Reply-To: <3FE91016-6A17-44A1-9529-95C9FC658F9B@petdance.com>
References: <CAFa6BoFS3dfc6fzVOum71XctgRHzugJacdZUNT6HDNHre8e7uQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 20:35, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 1, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote:
>
> I'm in the same boat. ?Will there be a problem getting in if I can't
> arrive until 6:30?
>
> Sounds like if there's any hope of having people outside the city being
> there, times will have to be moved back. ?As it is, a 6:00 start time is
> basically saying "Too bad" to the suburban folks.
> xoa
>
Kinda harsh there Andy.  Some of suburban folks work downtown and want
to be able to take a reasonable train back to the boonies.

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Aug  1 19:37:01 2011
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 21:37:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
In-Reply-To: <CAPk17=4q==jAV_D7BvZ_2GdQk32rFdHwuEHxxKZuY42TNyHmvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFa6BoFS3dfc6fzVOum71XctgRHzugJacdZUNT6HDNHre8e7uQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <99654385-484D-4CE7-8A7B-8ECBB026F076@petdance.com>


On Aug 1, 2011, at 9:02 PM, brian d foy wrote:

> Last time, there was a bit of socializing and chatting at the start.
> If someone gets there late, it's not a big deal.

If that was made explicit, it might give the best of both worlds.  Say 6-7 is social, and 7 is talk, then I'd feel better hauling all the way into the city.

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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Mon Aug  1 23:22:59 2011
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 01:22:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Next month's meeting
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> If that was made explicit, it might give the best of both worlds. ?Say 6-7
> is social, and 7 is talk, then I'd feel better hauling all the way into the
> city.

That doesn't work. The meeting might as well start at 7, which is what
the people who work in the city don't want. We're going to try it at 6
and see what happens. I'm not going to make a schedule for when we can
do what. The people who show up can decide how long they want to chat
and when they want to start other stuff.

It kinda sucks to say it, but if you aren't in the actual City of
Chicago, them's the breaks.

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From sean at blanton.com  Tue Aug  2 08:10:47 2011
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 10:10:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Tag Library Implementation/Graph DB
Message-ID: <CAD0pDW5Nwk0SV0gSGZCq4_cK9GdA3KkVh-UGrcc=M1vTfy9h3w@mail.gmail.com>

How are the current graph databases out there for managing tag libraries?
Anyone have a favorite strategy/implementation for a system with two sets of
objects with a one-to-many and many-to-one relationships?  Graph database or
no?

I'm not real keen on coding like this:

http://infogrid.org/wiki/Examples/FirstStep


Regards,
Sean
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From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Tue Aug  2 09:34:39 2011
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Tue, 2 Aug 2011 11:34:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] return value of failed system call
In-Reply-To: <20110801213204.7E9A452B@courageux.xo.com>
References: <20110801213204.7E9A452B@courageux.xo.com>
Message-ID: <OFCDE23F29.E7C1EA9B-ON862578E0.005AC11D-862578E0.005B1003@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

my $result = system("yum -y install NotA_real_package.hah-ha");

> and $result comes back as "0" just as it does when I successfully 
install a package. I am using CentOS. 

Because yum is saying - "I didn't find that, but everything worked as 
expected otherwise"
# yum -y install NotA_real_package.hah-ha
Loaded plugins: downloadonly, rhnplugin, security
Setting up Install Process
No package NotA_real_package.hah-ha available.
Nothing to do
# echo $?
0

"info" though ...
# yum info NotA_real_package.hah-ha
Loaded plugins: downloadonly, rhnplugin, security
Error: No matching Packages to list
# echo $?
1

a
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Systems Mangler
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From david at kineticode.com  Fri Aug  5 08:53:24 2011
From: david at kineticode.com (David E. Wheeler)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 08:53:24 -0700
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Postgres Open
Message-ID: <6FBAF8CC-1D3C-4B95-A2C1-17105BDE5BB0@kineticode.com>

Chicago Perl Mongers,

Wanted to bring to your attention a conference in your neck of the woods happening next month: Postgres Open:

  http://postgresopen.org/

Should be a good con. I can probably get Chicago.pm folks a discount code, too. Let me know if you or your employers are interested.

Best,

David


From andy at petdance.com  Mon Aug  8 09:55:28 2011
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:55:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] The future of Perl 5
Message-ID: <C25E08DD-FFD2-47EF-8709-80BEC1AA8F73@petdance.com>

http://perlbuzz.com/2011/08/the-future-of-perl-5.html

 Jesse Vincent, the pumpking for Perl 5, gave a talk at OSCON called "Perl 5.16 and beyond" where he lays out the future of Perl 5. The slides are up on slideshare, and they're well worth reading. I haven't read perl5-porters, the Perl 5 maintainers' mailing list, in a few years, and Jesse's slides are an eye-opener to the trials and tribulations of keeping Perl 5 usable in legacy situations but moving forward with new innovations.

The pumpking is sort of the project leader for Perl 5, and arbiter of what gets committed into the source tree. The pumpking also used to be the person who created the releases, but as Jesse points out below, this responsibility has been delegated to others. The term "pumpking" comes from the holder of the patch pumpkin.

Key points from the slides:

Perl 5 is now on a regular release schedule, where releases are made based on the calendar, not some critical mass of changes.
The dual track of odd numbers (5.13.x) for development releases and even numbers (5.14.x) for production releases continues.
Although Perl 5.14.1 is current production, 5.12.4 and 5.15.0 have recently been released as well.
Releases used to take three weeks for a single pumpking to do. Now it's a documented process that takes only a few hours. Releases are done by rotating volunteer release engineers. Per Larry, the time of hero pumpkings is over.
As Perl 5 changes much more quickly, we need to be able to recover from mistakes. Perl should have sane defaults. Perl 5 should run everywhere: Every OS, every browser, every phone.
Forward changes should not break older code. Programmers shouldn't have to build defensive code to protect against future changes to Perl 5.
The Perl runtime needs to slim down. Old modules are getting yanked from core and moved to CPAN. Not deprecating, but decoupling. We need to release a version of the Perl core that contains all the stuff we've yanked out of the "slim" core distribution.
The test suite needs to be split into three types of tests: language, bug-fix and implementation.
Jesse wants saner defaults in the future, to make Perl 5 cleaner, simpler and easier to work with:
warnings on
autodie-esque behavior
throwing exceptions rather than returning on failure
1-arg and 2-arg open gone
Latin-1 autopromote off
utf-8 autopromote on
Basic classes and methods
No indirect object syntax
How to make this happen faster? Donate to the Perl 5 Core Maintenance Fund.
I couldn't attend Jesse's talk because I was speaking about community and project management with Github in the same time slot, so if video exists I'd love to see it. And thanks very much to Jesse and the rest of p5p for keeping Perl 5 so amazing. 


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From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Mon Aug  8 10:06:33 2011
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:06:33 -0700
Subject: [Chicago-talk] The future of Perl 5
In-Reply-To: <C25E08DD-FFD2-47EF-8709-80BEC1AA8F73@petdance.com> (Andy
	Lester's message of "Mon, 8 Aug 2011 11:55:28 -0500")
References: <C25E08DD-FFD2-47EF-8709-80BEC1AA8F73@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <864o1r6deu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> writes:

Andy> http://perlbuzz.com/2011/08/the-future-of-perl-5.html

I just google-plussed this and it's getting a bunch of traction.

By the way, I have invites to hand out for google-plus.  If you want an
invite, please send me YOUR GMAIL.COM ADDRESS.  And I'll say this twice,
because people seem to miss this fact: "YOUR GMAIL.COM ADDRESS".  Not
Google Apps.  Not @someother.domain.example.com.  Gmail.com *only*.

-- 
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<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion

From me at heyjay.com  Mon Aug  8 12:36:47 2011
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 14:36:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] The future of Perl 5
In-Reply-To: <864o1r6deu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <C25E08DD-FFD2-47EF-8709-80BEC1AA8F73@petdance.com>
	<864o1r6deu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <2455371550055049411@unknownmsgid>

jjstrauss at gmail.com

1 google+ please

Thanks
Jay

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On Aug 8, 2011, at 12:06 PM, merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote:

>>>>>> "Andy" == Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> writes:
>
> Andy> http://perlbuzz.com/2011/08/the-future-of-perl-5.html
>
> I just google-plussed this and it's getting a bunch of traction.
>
> By the way, I have invites to hand out for google-plus.  If you want an
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From me at heyjay.com  Mon Aug  8 14:14:17 2011
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 16:14:17 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] The future of Perl 5
In-Reply-To: <864o1r6deu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
References: <C25E08DD-FFD2-47EF-8709-80BEC1AA8F73@petdance.com>
	<864o1r6deu.fsf@red.stonehenge.com>
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Thanks, got the google+ invite

Jay

On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 12:06 PM, Randal L. Schwartz
<merlyn at stonehenge.com>wrote:

> >>>>> "Andy" == Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> writes:
>
> Andy> http://perlbuzz.com/2011/08/the-future-of-perl-5.html
>
> I just google-plussed this and it's getting a bunch of traction.
>
> By the way, I have invites to hand out for google-plus.  If you want an
> invite, please send me YOUR GMAIL.COM ADDRESS.  And I'll say this twice,
> because people seem to miss this fact: "YOUR GMAIL.COM ADDRESS".  Not
> Google Apps.  Not @someother.domain.example.com.  Gmail.com *only*.
>
> --
> Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777
> 0095
> <merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
> Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
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From andy at petdance.com  Fri Aug 19 20:20:45 2011
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2011 22:20:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: Books and News from the O'Reilly User Group
	Program--August
References: <1313798490.14535.0.818447@post.oreilly.com>
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From me at heyjay.com  Sun Aug 21 11:56:34 2011
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2011 13:56:34 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] mod-perl dynamic recompile
Message-ID: <CANpdWGVmPVTHBjqOZK3XjUGjbbJDkjegTY901+AHn4d=x_jPLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm running in a simple mod-perl 2 env.  My script (chart.pl in
/var/www/MarketData) I run from mod-perl "use"s a package outside my
apache2 tree.  I want to be able to edit and change the package (that
is "use"d) and have Apache recompile the package on the fly like it
does for the chart.pl script.  But I'm not sure what to do.

(I've been googling but can not get it to work)
(I've tired putting a startup.pl but my server fails to start with the
startup.pl)

I'm hoping someone here can spot what I'm doing wrong.  I'm not seeing it.

Any help is appreciated
Thanks
Jay


I'm running on Ubuntu. so here are the relevant bits:


root at black:/etc/apache2# cat sites-enabled/
...
        Alias /MarketData/ /var/www/MarketData/
        <Location /MarketData/>
                SetHandler perl-script
                PerlResponseHandler ModPerl::Registry
                PerlOptions +ParseHeaders
                Options +ExecCGI
                Order allow,deny
                Allow from all
        </Location>

root at black:/etc/apache2# cat conf.d/mod_perl
PerlPostConfigRequire /home/jstrauss/perl/startup.pl

root at black:/etc/apache2# cat /home/jstrauss/perl/startup.pl
use lib "/home/jstrauss/perl/MarketData-Historic-Yahoo/lib";

# cat /var/www/MarketData/chart.pl
use 5.010;
use CGI;

use strict;
use warnings;

use lib '/home/jstrauss/perl/MarketData-Historic-Yahoo/lib';

use MarketData::Historic::Yahoo qw(:all);

my $q = CGI->new();
say $q->header(), $q->start_html();

say "<h1>Parameters</h1>";
get($q->param("symbol"),$q->param("from"));

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Aug 22 08:54:19 2011
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 10:54:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] mod-perl dynamic recompile
In-Reply-To: <CANpdWGVmPVTHBjqOZK3XjUGjbbJDkjegTY901+AHn4d=x_jPLQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANpdWGVmPVTHBjqOZK3XjUGjbbJDkjegTY901+AHn4d=x_jPLQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A262C577-6847-4C3E-A731-67659B5E59F9@petdance.com>


On Aug 21, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Jay Strauss wrote:

> I want to be able to edit and change the package (that
> is "use"d) and have Apache recompile the package on the fly like it
> does for the chart.pl script.  But I'm not sure what to do.


https://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/Reload.html

xoa

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From me at heyjay.com  Mon Aug 22 12:05:41 2011
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 14:05:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] mod-perl dynamic recompile
In-Reply-To: <A262C577-6847-4C3E-A731-67659B5E59F9@petdance.com>
References: <CANpdWGVmPVTHBjqOZK3XjUGjbbJDkjegTY901+AHn4d=x_jPLQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A262C577-6847-4C3E-A731-67659B5E59F9@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <CANpdWGWXBChzVZYYU-rbL6LUn+it5eyb+1yONms8NeVHKcxT3A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Andy

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 10:54 AM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On Aug 21, 2011, at 1:56 PM, Jay Strauss wrote:
>
> I want to be able to edit and change the package (that
> is "use"d) and have Apache recompile the package on the fly like it
> does for the chart.pl script. ?But I'm not sure what to do.
>
> https://perl.apache.org/docs/2.0/api/Apache2/Reload.html
> xoa
>
> --
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From lee at laylward.com  Thu Aug 25 21:30:45 2011
From: lee at laylward.com (Lee Aylward)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:30:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] code review follow up
Message-ID: <E94BF460-CECA-4110-B3E0-44FA11A5F709@laylward.com>

Hey all,

Thanks for the code review/comments! All very helpful. Here are my follow up commmits:

https://github.com/leedo/noembed/compare/afac3dbaa81dc283b6238005219df92857b0f133?289498d171fc94e1e0177521bbc350dbc8bf29c9

-- 
Lee

From lee at laylward.com  Thu Aug 25 21:36:35 2011
From: lee at laylward.com (Lee Aylward)
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2011 23:36:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] code review follow up
In-Reply-To: <E94BF460-CECA-4110-B3E0-44FA11A5F709@laylward.com>
References: <E94BF460-CECA-4110-B3E0-44FA11A5F709@laylward.com>
Message-ID: <A31F7EC7-976B-44C3-8C0C-0E7AB0DE20AF@laylward.com>

On Aug 25, 2011, at 11:30 PM, Lee Aylward wrote:

> 
> https://github.com/leedo/noembed/compare/afac3dbaa81dc283b6238005219df92857b0f133?289498d171fc94e1e0177521bbc350dbc8bf29c9
> 

Thank you Lion for your wonderful (read: horrible) new autocorrect feature.

Maybe this will work better:
https://github.com/leedo/noembed/compare/afac3db...289498d

-- 
Lee

From dcmertens.perl at gmail.com  Fri Aug 26 10:42:01 2011
From: dcmertens.perl at gmail.com (David Mertens)
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 12:42:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] code review discussion
Message-ID: <CA+4ieYXYOEvORWv6dW7NzGZD2NGYeFz+65pyDm6UhVFJVYLWBw@mail.gmail.com>

Hey folks -

I've never been involved in a code review so last night's discussion
was pretty informative. In general we seemed to have a good time.
However I observed last night that our final code review seemed a
little tense. I have a few observations about it that may explain why
it differed from the first few reviews:

1) As was pointed out last night (by John?), we had been sitting in
the dark drinking beer and looking at computer screens for two hours.
That's a long time to stay sensitive and patient. Take away point:
keep code reviews short (and on time, though that wasn't really an
issue last night).

2) A lot of people took issue with the architecture of the last
speaker's solution to his problem. (Sorry, I don't remember your
name.) This was in sharp contrast to the previous code reviews in
which we mostly nit-picked on details. Attacking somebody's
architecture is much more offensive than picking on details; ideally
the architecture of the solution would have been discussed in a
previous meeting, at which point we would be reviewing the code for
implementation.

3) That having been said, the speaker did a very poor job explaining
why he was using such a huge hammer for such a simple problem. He had
a good reason, of course, but he spent so little time motivating the
solution that all I remembered was 'code reuse,' and I was left
scratching my head as to why this was better than writing a simple
function. (My ignorance about Moose was a further barrier for me, but
hopefully that would not be a problem for his team.) Obviously the
take-away point here is that, in your preparations for your own code
reviews, you must motivate why you chose the particular solution that
you chose. (None of the speakers prepared for this, so I'm not saying
they did a bad job.)

4) As with all reviews, code reviews should focus on what the
programmer is doing *well*, with only a few items for improvement.
Take away: when you're presenting your own code, start by showing off
your good stuff, and then move on to any potential problem code. When
you're reviewing somebody else's code, work really hard initially to
find what's good about it, what the programmer did well. Frankly, I
thought that the implementation of the code was excellent, it just
needed some documentation and examples.

Overall, the evening was a good one and I'm sorry I wasn't able to go
out afterwards. Hopefully next time!

David

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 07:39:25 2011
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Tue, 30 Aug 2011 09:39:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] code review discussion
In-Reply-To: <CA+4ieYXYOEvORWv6dW7NzGZD2NGYeFz+65pyDm6UhVFJVYLWBw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+4ieYXYOEvORWv6dW7NzGZD2NGYeFz+65pyDm6UhVFJVYLWBw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPk17=4+qyhGroxJU7qjLum5GiW3E7f6U5iyPVnON05x+FVz2g@mail.gmail.com>

> 3) That having been said, the speaker did a very poor job explaining
> why he was using such a huge hammer for such a simple problem. He had
> a good reason, of course, but he spent so little time motivating the
> solution

I think that in any real situation, most of the people looking at the
code would already know a lot of that stuff. The combination of the
problem domain (dealing with CME files), the particular architecture,
and the implementation, combined to make things tougher than they
needed to be.

We should have controlled that more. I made the point in my talk that
code reviews should pick something to review, but we didn't really
state what we would review in the last one. We could have done that
much better.

However, a lot of this also suffers from a complete lack of
documentation in all the samples after mine. Writing documentation is
one of the ways that you figure out how to explain what you are doing
and why you are doing it. If you don't go through that exercise
beforehand, you'll probably won't be able to organize the ideas in
your head to explain them to someone else.

Also, code reviews shouldn't be code demonstrations with the code
author explaining the source to the reviewers, and we let that slip a
bit. You don't get to see how understandable the code is if you have
the side channel of the author explaining it as you go along.

Thanks for the feedback, :)


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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Wed Aug 31 21:21:27 2011
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 23:21:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Sept. Meeting moved to Tuesday the 13th
Message-ID: <CAPk17=7Eq_0haaVhHs1c4_0KP45PkWTmUt4LyCo2x-Fwmc9Jww@mail.gmail.com>

The Postgres Open Conference
(http://www.postgresql.org/about/event.1232) is in Chicago for
September 12-16, so I've convinced some of those people to visit the
Windy City Perl Mongers. We're still working out the details, but the
September meeting will now be on Tuesday the 13th at 6:30pm so we can
accommodate the guest speaker. As usual, we expect to socialize
afterward. :)

There's also a $150 discount available to us for this conference:

http://pgopen.eventbrite.com/?discount=PUGLUV


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