From michael at potter.name  Fri May  1 05:45:58 2009
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 07:45:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Tonight's Meet-Up for WindyCity.pm
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The
sudo: Beginner to Expert in One Hour slides are on my website on the
downloads tab:
replatformtech.com

-- 
Michael Potter

On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Tony Wong <a.wong2.nu at gmail.com> wrote:

> Argh, this makes two meetings in a row I've missed. Will definitely be
> there for May.
>
> Thanks, Sean, for putting this together. Any chance slides are posted
> someplace?
>
> Tony
>
> 2009/4/30 Sean Blanton <sean at blanton.com>:
> > Agenda:
> >
> > Pizza and refreshments 7-7:15
> > Jon Rockway - 7:15-8
> > Mike Potter 8-8:45
> > 8:45 - Wrap Up and Move to Local Pub for discussion - suggest Clark
> Street
> > Ale House. OpenMake sponsoring post-meeting refreshments.
> > Meeting at OpenMake Software
> > 213 W. Institute Pl., Suite 404, Fourth Floor
> > Secret code: 211
> > My cell: 773.960.3495
> > So, yes, Mike, I'm expecting you to present. I'm still getting used to
> gmail
> > - honestly I don't see a subject line anywhere in that thread - just
> > "conversations" with peoples' names. This is certainly not the ideal way
> to
> > plan the meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sean Blanton, Ph.D.
> >
> > Follow: http://www.twitter.com/seanblanton
> > Connect: http://www.linkedin.com/in/seanblanton
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > WindyCity-pm mailing list
> > WindyCity-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/windycity-pm
> >
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From a.wong2.nu at gmail.com  Fri May  1 07:07:36 2009
From: a.wong2.nu at gmail.com (Tony Wong)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:07:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [WindyCity-pm] Tonight's Meet-Up for WindyCity.pm
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Thanks, Michael.

Tony

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Michael Potter <michael at potter.name> wrote:
> The
> sudo: Beginner to Expert in One Hour slides are on my website on the
> downloads tab:
> replatformtech.com
>
> --
> Michael Potter
>
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 11:13 PM, Tony Wong <a.wong2.nu at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Argh, this makes two meetings in a row I've missed. Will definitely be
>> there for May.
>>
>> Thanks, Sean, for putting this together. Any chance slides are posted
>> someplace?
>>
>> Tony
>>
>> 2009/4/30 Sean Blanton <sean at blanton.com>:
>> > Agenda:
>> >
>> > Pizza and refreshments 7-7:15
>> > Jon Rockway - 7:15-8
>> > Mike Potter 8-8:45
>> > 8:45 - Wrap Up and Move to Local Pub for discussion - suggest Clark
>> > Street
>> > Ale House. OpenMake sponsoring post-meeting refreshments.
>> > Meeting at OpenMake Software
>> > 213 W. Institute Pl., Suite 404, Fourth Floor
>> > Secret code: 211
>> > My cell: 773.960.3495
>> > So, yes, Mike, I'm expecting you to present. I'm still getting used to
>> > gmail
>> > - honestly I don't see a subject line anywhere in that thread - just
>> > "conversations" with peoples' names.?This is certainly not the ideal way
>> > to
>> > plan the meeting.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Sean Blanton, Ph.D.
>> >
>> > Follow: http://www.twitter.com/seanblanton
>> > Connect: http://www.linkedin.com/in/seanblanton
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > WindyCity-pm mailing list
>> > WindyCity-pm at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/windycity-pm
>> >
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
>
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From michael at potter.name  Fri May  1 16:08:29 2009
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:08:29 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
Message-ID: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>

 Mongers,

What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:

$Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
$Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
$Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;

-- 
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From arodland at comcast.net  Fri May  1 16:16:32 2009
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:16:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
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On Friday 01 May 2009 06:08:29 pm Michael Potter wrote:
>  Mongers,
>
> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>
> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;

This gives _nearly_ the same behavior and might work within your spec:

s/\bEft\b/EFT/;

More complicated and not tested but _should_ match your question exactly:

s/(?:^|(?< ))Eft(?:$|(?= ))/EFT/;

(Whether that's "clean" is up to interpretation...)

Andrew


From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Fri May  1 16:17:59 2009
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:17:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
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References: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <139056c80905011617h79d44857u6a7126ff389f8324@mail.gmail.com>

Could you get by with s/\bEft\b/EFT/

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Michael Potter <michael at potter.name> wrote:
> ?Mongers,
>
> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>
> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;
>
> --
> Michael Potter
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ccf3 at mindspring.com  Fri May  1 16:18:27 2009
From: ccf3 at mindspring.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 18:18:27 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Expanded TMTOWTDI quote... Beuller? Anyone?
Message-ID: <49FB8343.1080903@mindspring.com>

I thought I read or heard an expanded version of TMTOWTDI somewhere.

Something like: "There's more than one way to do it, so try to do it the 
[clearest|cleanest|most readable|most maintainable] way."

As opposed to, say: "There's more than one way to do it, so try to make 
it look like a cat walked across your keyboard. No, really! It pisses 
Guido off to no end."

But I'm not finding anything. Has anyone seen a quote like that?

Clyde

From arodland at comcast.net  Fri May  1 16:24:15 2009
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 18:24:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
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On Friday 01 May 2009 06:16:32 pm Andrew Rodland wrote:
> More complicated and not tested but _should_ match your question exactly:
>
> s/(?:^|(?< ))Eft(?:$|(?= ))/EFT/;
>
Correction for this one: s/(?:^|(?<= ))Eft(?:$|(?= ))/EFT/;

(added an '=' that I slipped the first time).

Andrew


From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Fri May  1 17:19:13 2009
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 19:19:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
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References: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
	<200905011816.33661.arodland@comcast.net>
	<200905011824.15742.arodland@comcast.net>
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I don't see how this way is 'cleaner'.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 1, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Andrew Rodland <arodland at comcast.net> wrote:

> On Friday 01 May 2009 06:16:32 pm Andrew Rodland wrote:
>> More complicated and not tested but _should_ match your question  
>> exactly:
>>
>> s/(?:^|(?< ))Eft(?:$|(?= ))/EFT/;
>>
> Correction for this one: s/(?:^|(?<= ))Eft(?:$|(?= ))/EFT/;
>
> (added an '=' that I slipped the first time).
>
> Andrew
>
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From me at heyjay.com  Fri May  1 18:56:21 2009
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 20:56:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> wrote:
> Could you get by with s/\bEft\b/EFT/
>

Would you please explain to the slow ones in the class (me) why/how
the solution is not not equal to the problem?

Thanks
Jay

From arodland at comcast.net  Fri May  1 19:29:05 2009
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 21:29:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
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On Friday 01 May 2009 08:56:21 pm Jay Strauss wrote:
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com> 
wrote:
> > Could you get by with s/\bEft\b/EFT/
>
> Would you please explain to the slow ones in the class (me) why/how
> the solution is not not equal to the problem?

\b matches the boundary between a \w word char and a \W nonword char (or 
start/end of string). So that pattern would match if "Eft" is bounded by any 
non-word chars, for instance "Newt-Eft-Salamander" will become "Newt-EFT-
Salamander" under that substitution because "-" is a nonword char, so \b will 
match between "-" and "E" and between "t" and "-".

Andrew



From michael at potter.name  Fri May  1 20:12:08 2009
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 22:12:08 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
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	<200905012129.05299.arodland@comcast.net>
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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Andrew Rodland <arodland at comcast.net> wrote:

> On Friday 01 May 2009 08:56:21 pm Jay Strauss wrote:
> > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:17 PM, Joshua McAdams <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com
> >
> wrote:
> > > Could you get by with s/\bEft\b/EFT/
> >
> > Would you please explain to the slow ones in the class (me) why/how
> > the solution is not not equal to the problem?
>
> \b matches the boundary between a \w word char and a \W nonword char (or
> start/end of string). So that pattern would match if "Eft" is bounded by
> any
> non-word chars, for instance "Newt-Eft-Salamander" will become "Newt-EFT-
> Salamander" under that substitution because "-" is a nonword char, so \b
> will
> match between "-" and "E" and between "t" and "-".
>
> Andrew
>
>
Thanks Andrew, I think that is the winner.  I will probably run a before and
after on the data to see if there are any surprises.

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From jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us  Sat May  2 13:04:49 2009
From: jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Sat, 02 May 2009 15:04:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
In-Reply-To: <200905011816.33661.arodland@comcast.net> (Andrew Rodland's
	message of "Fri, 1 May 2009 18:16:32 -0500")
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	<200905011816.33661.arodland@comcast.net>
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* On Fri, May 01 2009, Andrew Rodland wrote:
> On Friday 01 May 2009 06:08:29 pm Michael Potter wrote:
>>  Mongers,
>>
>> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>>
>> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
>> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
>> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;
>
> This gives _nearly_ the same behavior and might work within your spec:
>
> s/\bEft\b/EFT/;
>
> More complicated and not tested but _should_ match your question exactly:
>
> s/(?:^|(?< ))Eft(?:$|(?= ))/EFT/;

If the \b regex doesn't work, how about s/(^| )Eft( |$)/$1EFT$2/g ?
That is usually how I represent this sort of operation.  (If you want to
keep part of the input, just capture it and put it into the output
explicitly.  [Perl 5.10 also has \k, but that won't work in this case.])

There is one difference though.  Your original regexs would change the
input:

   Eft blah blah Eft blah blah Eft

to

   EFT blah blah EFT blah blah EFT

(since each regex is allowed to match once, and each does).

Without /g, my regex would change that to:

   EFT blah blah Eft blah blah Eft

Also, can someone unban my real address from the list?  Now that a
certain Reign Of Terror has ended, I think this is just an
administrative error.

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

--
print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"

From andy at petdance.com  Sat May  2 13:50:59 2009
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 15:50:59 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
Message-ID: <20090502205059.GA4419@petdance.com>

> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
> 
> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;

What are you trying to achieve by combining them?  What's wrong with
them the way they are?

xoa

-- 
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Sat May  2 13:55:54 2009
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Sat, 2 May 2009 15:55:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
In-Reply-To: <20090502205059.GA4419@petdance.com>
References: <20090502205059.GA4419@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <C4547F36-AA0B-4355-BE82-BB1F2F1E62E2@mindspring.com>

It is a challenge.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 2, 2009, at 3:50 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

>> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>>
>> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
>> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
>> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;
>
> What are you trying to achieve by combining them?  What's wrong with
> them the way they are?
>
> xoa
>
> -- 
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
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From me at heyjay.com  Sun May  3 09:21:28 2009
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 11:21:28 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
In-Reply-To: <871vr7w9su.fsf@bar.jrock.us>
References: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
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	<871vr7w9su.fsf@bar.jrock.us>
Message-ID: <39eaccc10905030921o6893935cv9860c59659d3ac57@mail.gmail.com>

Thank you, that makes sense.

Jay

On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Jonathan Rockway
<jon-chicagotalk at jrock.us> wrote:
> * On Fri, May 01 2009, Andrew Rodland wrote:
>> On Friday 01 May 2009 06:08:29 pm Michael Potter wrote:
>>> ?Mongers,
>>>
>>> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>>>
>>> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
>>> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
>>> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;
>>
>> This gives _nearly_ the same behavior and might work within your spec:
>>
>> s/\bEft\b/EFT/;
>>
>> More complicated and not tested but _should_ match your question exactly:
>>
>> s/(?:^|(?< ))Eft(?:$|(?= ))/EFT/;
>
> If the \b regex doesn't work, how about s/(^| )Eft( |$)/$1EFT$2/g ?
> That is usually how I represent this sort of operation. ?(If you want to
> keep part of the input, just capture it and put it into the output
> explicitly. ?[Perl 5.10 also has \k, but that won't work in this case.])
>
> There is one difference though. ?Your original regexs would change the
> input:
>
> ? Eft blah blah Eft blah blah Eft
>
> to
>
> ? EFT blah blah EFT blah blah EFT
>
> (since each regex is allowed to match once, and each does).
>
> Without /g, my regex would change that to:
>
> ? EFT blah blah Eft blah blah Eft
>
> Also, can someone unban my real address from the list? ?Now that a
> certain Reign Of Terror has ended, I think this is just an
> administrative error.
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan Rockway
>
> --
> print just => another => perl => hacker => if $,=$"
> _______________________________________________
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>

From sean at blanton.com  Mon May  4 07:44:15 2009
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:44:15 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
In-Reply-To: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5cbb6b60905040744v5fa50d29mb95a8e16d17a0eca@mail.gmail.com>

I'd try something like this (not tested)

s/\bEFt\b/EFT/


Sean Blanton, Ph.D.

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On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Michael Potter <michael at potter.name> wrote:

>  Mongers,
>
> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>
> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;
>
> --
> Michael Potter
>
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From sean at blanton.com  Mon May  4 07:45:32 2009
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:45:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
In-Reply-To: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f5cbb6b60905040745h2cfe83eam8e67779cbdd761cc@mail.gmail.com>

Stupid gmail - ok, now I see all the replies....Actually it's my experience
with gmail...PEBCAK
Sean Blanton, Ph.D.

Follow: http://www.twitter.com/seanblanton
Connect: http://www.linkedin.com/in/seanblanton



On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Michael Potter <michael at potter.name> wrote:

>  Mongers,
>
> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>
> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;
>
> --
> Michael Potter
>
> _______________________________________________
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From hwigoda at mindspring.com  Mon May  4 08:05:12 2009
From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 10:05:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Regular expression question
In-Reply-To: <f5cbb6b60905040744v5fa50d29mb95a8e16d17a0eca@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2379dacc0905011608qfeb4fb2g1a9cbdf3e9660ec7@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5cbb6b60905040744v5fa50d29mb95a8e16d17a0eca@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9CE397CA-D3BF-4D38-8C8F-840527874FB6@mindspring.com>

The first upper case F needs to be lower case.


On May 4, 2009, at 9:44 AM, Sean Blanton wrote:

> I'd try something like this (not tested)
>
> s/\bEFt\b/EFT/
>
>
> Sean Blanton, Ph.D.
>
> Follow: http://www.twitter.com/seanblanton
> Connect: http://www.linkedin.com/in/seanblanton
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 6:08 PM, Michael Potter <michael at potter.name>  
> wrote:
>  Mongers,
>
> What is the cleanest way to combine these three regular expressions:
>
> $Note =~ s/^Eft /EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft / EFT /;
> $Note =~ s/ Eft$/ EFT/;
>
> -- 
> Michael Potter
>
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From andrewdo at frdcsa.org  Wed May  6 09:15:25 2009
From: andrewdo at frdcsa.org (Andrew Dougherty)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:15:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] POSI-Chicago Meeting Tuesday May 19th 7:00 PM at
 Pumping Station One
Message-ID: <20090506.111525.113008503.andrewdo@frdcsa.org>

POSI (http://posithon.org) May Meeting
Tuesday, May 19th at 7:00 pm
Pumping Station One
3354 N. Elston Ave, Chicago, IL

After consulting with the members of Pumping Station One, the new
hacker collective in Chicago, we will be holding the POSI-Chicago May
meeting at the new hackerspace on 3354 N. Elston Ave, Chicago, IL on
Tuesday, May 19th, at 7:00 pm.  Immediately after the meeting, the
Pumping Station One weekly meeting will start, so this will be an
opportunity for those not aware of what's going on there to drop in
and see what's up.  (You will be required to sign a liability waiver
to be admitted inside Pumping Station One.)

Please advertise this meeting on your Meetup groups (i.e. FVCP,
FRV-Entrepreneur, and SemWeb), and social network sites.  More
information can be found on the POSI website (http://posithon.org).

We will record the meeting and upload the results to the POSI site.

Possible Topics:

	Job Search and Consulting
	
		If you are interested in obtaining consulting jobs and so
		forth, this system can help you.  In order to help
		contributors stay solvent, this system exists to help find
		work.  We will be integrating it with the overall POSI
		website, rewriting it and extending its capabilities.
	
	Natural Language Processing with FRDCSA
	
		So as to maximize attendance of the POSI-Chicago meeting, we
		should co-schedule this PS1 lecture .
	
	Open Fair Credit System (OFCS)
	http://groups.google.com/group/ofcs
	
		Implementing an open source accounting software system for
		normatively and semantically representing the value of work
		and assets and using it to promote a virtualized barter
		economy (not dependent on existing currencies so as not to
		disenfranchise the cash poor) for groups like POSI and PS1.
	
	Using POSI within PS1
	
		Transforming the existing PS1 skills exchange to POSI format,
		setting up PosiBot on the #pumpingstationone channel, further
		developing the EMS skills extraction software.
	
	Getting and Staying Organized with Free Software
	
		An internal course on organization using free software.
		Topics include managing email, VOIP, feeds, (personal adaptive
		filtering), Ball-in-court, the paperless office, etc, etc.
	
	POSI/PS1 "Commercial" and Video Production
	
		Setting up the greenscreen and developing a "commercial" which
		informs the public about Pumping Station One in an effort to
		draw new members and friends into the group.
	
	Inventory Management
	
		Using RFID and inventory management for Pumping Station One,
		business and personal use using the FRDCSA SILO Inventory
		Managerl
	
	Access to the FRDCSA for Use and Development
	
		Ensuring that interested users and developers have access to
		the FRDCSA either through checking out the GIT repo or by
		building and distributing the Virtual Machine copy.
	
	Learning to Program
	
		Setting up and operating introductory programming instruction.
	
	Shared Priority System Editor (Java application)
	
		Go over the requirements and mini programming sprint on the
		Shared Priority System Editor and integration with Verber.
	
	LDAP Integration and POSI Website Development
	
		Setting up LDAP to provide authentication across POSI and
		FRDCSA and all associated web services.
	
	POSI Future Plans
	
		Discuss, review, the progress of POSI, what plans we have for
		its future, assessing its current priorities, and so forth.

	Debian Packaging and Software Archive

	Other

From michael at potter.name  Sun May 10 19:01:22 2009
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 21:01:22 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interfacing to Excel
In-Reply-To: <f5cbb6b60904140111k51f558edr6991bc8761d97584@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2379dacc0904101631g4f9e0009hd6bc6ba3f6e4a118@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf13ea7e0904131205md6881d8n5ca20475e80e9be1@mail.gmail.com>
	<f5cbb6b60904140111k51f558edr6991bc8761d97584@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2379dacc0905101901r3fd91d3by8812bdeb7b0b5175@mail.gmail.com>

Just to follow up on this and let you know what worked...
I used ActiveState Perl with the Win32::OLE module.  It worked perfectly and
was very easy to follow the sample code.  I ran it under Windows XP in a
VMWare session on my MBP.

I was able to update a cell, then read the resultant table of values back.
This worked great and it saved my client a ton of money.  I did not make
much money on it because I work by the hour and I got the problem solved so
quickly ;).

I put a .25 second delay after I updated the cell just to make sure that the
calculations were all done.  I am pretty sure the delay was unnecessary, but
the delay did not cause any other problems so I left it in.  Also, I did a
screen recording of the spreadsheet processing to show the client; the .25
second delay was long enough that they could get a better idea of what I was
doing.

-- 
Michael Potter
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From ccf3 at mindspring.com  Sun May 17 10:58:19 2009
From: ccf3 at mindspring.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 12:58:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Expanded TMTOWTDI quote... Beuller? Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <49FB8343.1080903@mindspring.com>
References: <49FB8343.1080903@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <4A10503B.6000803@mindspring.com>

Clyde Forrester wrote:
> I thought I read or heard an expanded version of TMTOWTDI somewhere.
>
> Something like: "There's more than one way to do it, so try to do it 
> the [clearest|cleanest|most readable|most maintainable] way."
>
> As opposed to, say: "There's more than one way to do it, so try to 
> make it look like a cat walked across your keyboard. No, really! It 
> pisses Guido off to no end."
>
> But I'm not finding anything. Has anyone seen a quote like that?
>
> Clyde
The response has been:

     [crickets]

So, that's it? The Pythonistas win, hands down, right?
Perl must rightfully go the way of Basic?

Well, I found the quote:

    Perl is designed to give you several ways to do anything, so
    consider picking the most readable one.
            --Larry Wall in the perl man page


This is important to me.
I use Perl because it's useful and it works.
And I write readable Perl, because it's maintainable that way.
And I occasionally have to tell off some people who think that
Perl promotes a culture of gratuitous illegibility,
or is designed for obfuscation.

Clyde

From sean at blanton.com  Mon May 18 08:48:06 2009
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 10:48:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Expanded TMTOWTDI quote... Beuller? Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <4A10503B.6000803@mindspring.com>
References: <49FB8343.1080903@mindspring.com> <4A10503B.6000803@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <f5cbb6b60905180848y4591951lcf774337fbceb64@mail.gmail.com>

Rock on!

Sean


On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Clyde Forrester <ccf3 at mindspring.com>wrote:

> Clyde Forrester wrote:
>
>> I thought I read or heard an expanded version of TMTOWTDI somewhere.
>>
>> Something like: "There's more than one way to do it, so try to do it the
>> [clearest|cleanest|most readable|most maintainable] way."
>>
>> As opposed to, say: "There's more than one way to do it, so try to make it
>> look like a cat walked across your keyboard. No, really! It pisses Guido off
>> to no end."
>>
>> But I'm not finding anything. Has anyone seen a quote like that?
>>
>> Clyde
>>
> The response has been:
>
>    [crickets]
>
> So, that's it? The Pythonistas win, hands down, right?
> Perl must rightfully go the way of Basic?
>
> Well, I found the quote:
>
>   Perl is designed to give you several ways to do anything, so
>   consider picking the most readable one.
>           --Larry Wall in the perl man page
>
>
> This is important to me.
> I use Perl because it's useful and it works.
> And I write readable Perl, because it's maintainable that way.
> And I occasionally have to tell off some people who think that
> Perl promotes a culture of gratuitous illegibility,
> or is designed for obfuscation.
>
>
> Clyde
> _______________________________________________
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From younda at rcn.com  Mon May 18 12:26:33 2009
From: younda at rcn.com (David J. Young)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 15:26:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Data for Charting
Message-ID: <20090518152633.CHS69039@ms14.lnh.mail.rcn.net>

Mongers,

Does anyone know of a good module to extract/create data suitable for use in a charting module/program? 

For example:

The original dataset may look like this from a database query:

series1:
Q3-2008  4716
Q4-2008  1025
Q2-2009    73

series2:
Q3-2008: 1024
Q4-2008:  445

series3:
Q4-2008:  777

(Note, dataset above is not explicitly how it comes out of database.  This is just to illustrate the gaps in the data that need to be set to zero).

>From this, I'd like to get this:
xaxis = qw(Q3-2008 Q4-2008 Q1-2009 Q2-2009);
line1 = qw([0,4716] [1,1025] [2,0] [3,73]);
line2 = qw([0,1024] [1,445] [2,0] [3,0]];
line3 = qw([0,0] [1,777] [2,0] [3,0]];

If you don't know of any modules, can you recommend any good strategies to do this?

ydy

From warren.lindsey at gmail.com  Mon May 18 14:09:19 2009
From: warren.lindsey at gmail.com (Warren Lindsey)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 16:09:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Data for Charting
In-Reply-To: <20090518152633.CHS69039@ms14.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
References: <20090518152633.CHS69039@ms14.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
Message-ID: <841e880a0905181409h3e51909ag5697f58a090a6a75@mail.gmail.com>

I've done this before.  Most graphing/chart modules do not handle
timestamp datasets with gaps very well.  I think gnuplot can handle
timeseries with gaps, but I don't remember.  If you load your data
into rrdtool, it can do it, but that wasn't the solution I wanted.  I
just wanted to parse logfiles and build graphs without a database step
in between.

My solution was to load all of my data into a hash, then walk with a
for loop, printing hash keys that exist or print null value for keys
that were not defined.  This worked for spacing out entries in my
graphs.

Completely untested code:

my $hash = {};

foreach my $line ( @logfile ) {
  my ($year, $month, $day, $hour, $minute, $second, $hostname, $entry)
= ($line =~ m/regex/);
 $hash{$hostname}{$year}{$month}{$day}{$hour}{$minute}{$second}=$entry;
}

foreach my $host ( sort keys %{$hash} ) {
  foreach my $year ( sort keys %{$hash{$host}} ) {
    foreach my $month (1..12) {
      foreach my $day (1..31) {
        foreach my $hour (0..24) {
          foreach my $minute (0..59) {
            foreach my $second (0..59) {
              if (defined
$hash{$hostname}{$year}{$month}{$day}{$hour}{$minute}{$second} ) {
                 print CHART  join(",", $hostname, $year, $month,
$day, $hour, $minute, $second,
$hash{$hostname}{$year}{$month}{$day}{$hour}{$minute}{$second})."\n";
              } else {
                print CHART  join(",", $hostname, $year, $month, $day,
$hour, $minute, $second, "null")."\n";
              }
            }
          }
        }
      }
    }
  }
}

The actual code had $min and $max values passed in for the time fields
and allowed a user to drill down in a logfile and generate a graph of
events across logfiles from multiple servers.  Obviously, the dataset
was not too big, so the $hash size in memory was not an issue.

If you're pulling data from a database, a better solution would be to
do an outer join to a sequence and your data would be returned with
these null values already.

Cheers,
Warren

On Mon, May 18, 2009 at 2:26 PM, David J. Young <younda at rcn.com> wrote:
> Mongers,
>
> Does anyone know of a good module to extract/create data suitable for use in a charting module/program?
>
> For example:
>
> The original dataset may look like this from a database query:
>
> series1:
> Q3-2008 ?4716
> Q4-2008 ?1025
> Q2-2009 ? ?73
>
> series2:
> Q3-2008: 1024
> Q4-2008: ?445
>
> series3:
> Q4-2008: ?777
>
> (Note, dataset above is not explicitly how it comes out of database. ?This is just to illustrate the gaps in the data that need to be set to zero).
>
> >From this, I'd like to get this:
> xaxis = qw(Q3-2008 Q4-2008 Q1-2009 Q2-2009);
> line1 = qw([0,4716] [1,1025] [2,0] [3,73]);
> line2 = qw([0,1024] [1,445] [2,0] [3,0]];
> line3 = qw([0,0] [1,777] [2,0] [3,0]];
>
> If you don't know of any modules, can you recommend any good strategies to do this?
>
> ydy
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Mon May 18 15:50:58 2009
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:50:58 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Expanded TMTOWTDI quote... Beuller? Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <4A10503B.6000803@mindspring.com>
References: <49FB8343.1080903@mindspring.com> <4A10503B.6000803@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <20090518185058.576e5758@bird.wrkhors.com>

On Sun, 17 May 2009 12:58:19 -0500
Clyde Forrester <ccf3 at mindspring.com> wrote:

>     Perl is designed to give you several ways to do anything, so
>     consider picking the most readable one.
>             --Larry Wall in the perl man page

Put it another way: Larry Wall does not assume 
that he knows how to program your solution 
better than you do. 


-- 
Steven Lembark                                            85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing                                 Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Mon May 18 15:53:30 2009
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 18:53:30 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Data for Charting
In-Reply-To: <20090518152633.CHS69039@ms14.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
References: <20090518152633.CHS69039@ms14.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
Message-ID: <20090518185330.457fa6a2@bird.wrkhors.com>

On Mon, 18 May 2009 15:26:33 -0400 (EDT)
"David J. Young" <younda at rcn.com> wrote:

> Mongers,
> 
> Does anyone know of a good module to 
> extract/create data suitable for use in a 
> charting module/program? 

Your problem here is that the format will depend
on how the source system exports the data and 
the charting package wants to read it. 

Delimeted ASCII (e.g., TSV) is handled gracefully
by almost any package. After that it'll depend
entirely on the input switches for your charting
package.



-- 
Steven Lembark                                            85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing                                 Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From MikeRaffety at earthlink.net  Mon May 18 17:03:38 2009
From: MikeRaffety at earthlink.net (Mike Raffety)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:03:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Data for Charting
In-Reply-To: <20090518152633.CHS69039@ms14.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
References: <20090518152633.CHS69039@ms14.lnh.mail.rcn.net>
Message-ID: <4A11F75A.2030004@earthlink.net>

I've been pretty happy with the flexibility and capability of GD::Graph 
for a number of different projects, have you tried that?

David J. Young wrote, On 5/18/2009 2:26 PM:
> Mongers,
> 
> Does anyone know of a good module to extract/create data suitable for use in a charting module/program? 
> 
> For example:
> 
> The original dataset may look like this from a database query:
> 
> series1:
> Q3-2008  4716
> Q4-2008  1025
> Q2-2009    73
> 
> series2:
> Q3-2008: 1024
> Q4-2008:  445
> 
> series3:
> Q4-2008:  777
> 
> (Note, dataset above is not explicitly how it comes out of database.  This is just to illustrate the gaps in the data that need to be set to zero).
> 
>>From this, I'd like to get this:
> xaxis = qw(Q3-2008 Q4-2008 Q1-2009 Q2-2009);
> line1 = qw([0,4716] [1,1025] [2,0] [3,73]);
> line2 = qw([0,1024] [1,445] [2,0] [3,0]];
> line3 = qw([0,0] [1,777] [2,0] [3,0]];
> 
> If you don't know of any modules, can you recommend any good strategies to do this?
> 
> ydy
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 
> 

From drench+chipm at gmail.com  Mon May 18 17:35:55 2009
From: drench+chipm at gmail.com (Dan Rench)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:35:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Expanded TMTOWTDI quote... Beuller? Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <4A10503B.6000803@mindspring.com>
References: <49FB8343.1080903@mindspring.com> <4A10503B.6000803@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <e94f934d0905181735m2270d641rf5713028d4c60f5c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Clyde Forrester <ccf3 at mindspring.com> wrote:
> And I occasionally have to tell off some people who think that
> Perl promotes a culture of gratuitous illegibility,
> or is designed for obfuscation.

And the irony of the "Perl looks like line noise" meme is that the
"noisiest" aspect of Perl (regexes) also happens to have spread to
just about every other language in common use.

From andrewdo at frdcsa.org  Tue May 19 13:36:48 2009
From: andrewdo at frdcsa.org (Andrew Dougherty)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 15:36:48 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] (no subject)
Message-ID: <20090519.153648.169529487.andrewdo@frdcsa.org>

Just a quick reminder:

POSI-Chicago meeting at the Pumping Station One
(http://pumpingstationone.org) tonight at 7:00 pm, at 3354 N. Elston
Ave., Chicago, IL

Details here: http://posithon.org

From alexander.danel at gmail.com  Wed May 20 10:13:18 2009
From: alexander.danel at gmail.com (Alexander Danel)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 11:13:18 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Data for Charting
Message-ID: <01d401c9d96e$4614fba0$0600a8c0@dsmsik7n2d2>

I suggest that you separate the problem into two parts - the first part
conditions your data, the second part charts it.  In that case, you can use
any good chart tool, since the data will conform to the tool's expectations.
In Unix filter and pipe notation:

 

            data_source  |  data_conditioner   |  chart_tool

 

So, now you just have to write your own "data_conditioner" component.  Since
every problem has peculiarities, you are probably best off just writing your
own code that does exactly what you need.

 

Alexander

 

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From michael at potter.name  Thu May 21 13:46:51 2009
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:46:51 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Open Source project hosting
Message-ID: <2379dacc0905211346tc4002d5uaf6f2db75d2bd22a@mail.gmail.com>

Mongers,

I am starting a small open source project (a few thousand lines of C
code) and want to get opinions on what service to host this on:
sourceforge
code.google.com
...

Sorry for posting off the topic of Perl, but you guys always give good
practical advice.

-- 
Michael Potter

From andy at petdance.com  Thu May 21 13:48:13 2009
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 15:48:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Open Source project hosting
In-Reply-To: <2379dacc0905211346tc4002d5uaf6f2db75d2bd22a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2379dacc0905211346tc4002d5uaf6f2db75d2bd22a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <23741A22-DFF7-4B53-AADD-B6C94D99677C@petdance.com>


On May 21, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Michael Potter wrote:

> code.google.com


Google Code is fine if you like Subversion or (in beta) Mecurial.  If  
you want Git, github is great.

xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance





From sean at blanton.com  Thu May 21 14:00:43 2009
From: sean at blanton.com (Sean Blanton)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 16:00:43 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Open Source project hosting
In-Reply-To: <23741A22-DFF7-4B53-AADD-B6C94D99677C@petdance.com>
References: <2379dacc0905211346tc4002d5uaf6f2db75d2bd22a@mail.gmail.com> 
	<23741A22-DFF7-4B53-AADD-B6C94D99677C@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <f5cbb6b60905211400tac1c847s34023fbff928cd77@mail.gmail.com>

For stripped down git repository, there's http://repo.or.cz/

Sean




On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

>
> On May 21, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Michael Potter wrote:
>
>  code.google.com
>>
>
>
> Google Code is fine if you like Subversion or (in beta) Mecurial.  If you
> want Git, github is great.
>
> xoxo,
> Andy
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.theworkinggeek.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
>
>
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From michael at potter.name  Fri May 22 13:02:18 2009
From: michael at potter.name (Michael Potter)
Date: Fri, 22 May 2009 15:02:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Open Source project hosting
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Guys,

Here is what I ended up doing:
For the original project I am pretty sure I am using code.google.com.
I am collaborating with some Mainframers and they want to use SVN
because that meshes well with the companion projects that my project
will support.

Anyway, looking at github.com did inspire me to put stringent.sh as a
project on github.
stringent.sh is the library of functions that turns on the features of
bash that enhance robustness.

Does anyone have a comment on what license I should use for stringent.sh?

I really do not care what people do with it so I am inclined to use
the MIT license.

-- 
Michael Potter

From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Sat May 23 01:27:21 2009
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:27:21 +0300
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Open Source project hosting
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	<2379dacc0905221302nf14eb3emd1053f7eef75ee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200905231127.24561.shlomif@iglu.org.il>

Hi Michael,

On Friday 22 May 2009 23:02:18 Michael Potter wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Here is what I ended up doing:
> For the original project I am pretty sure I am using code.google.com.
> I am collaborating with some Mainframers and they want to use SVN
> because that meshes well with the companion projects that my project
> will support.

Just to add to what other people are saying, here are a few more options for 
hosting FOSS projects:

1. http://developer.berlios.de/ - supports CVS, Subversion, git and Mercurial 
and gives other services like a web-site (under $myproject.berlios.de), 
bug/issue trackers (the SourceForge.net ones which I'm not very fond of), 
downloads, etc. It's very similar to SourceForge.

I've been happily using it for most of the projects that I initiated. It has 
its problems. I recall a few outages with it, but lately it's been OK. Someone 
I talked with said that berlios.de sucked and that SF.net/Google-Code/github 
were better, but he didn't give any concrete reasons for why it sucked.

2. http://opensvn.csie.org/ - Subversion-only hosting with bare-essentials. 
Used to give trac, but I'm no longer sure that they still do.

3. http://launchpad.net/ - the Ubuntu-blessed software-development hub. 
Provides Bazaar-VCS-hosting, a bug tracker and similar services.

4. There are services similar to github for Mercurial, etc.

>
> Anyway, looking at github.com did inspire me to put stringent.sh as a
> project on github.
> stringent.sh is the library of functions that turns on the features of
> bash that enhance robustness.
>
> Does anyone have a comment on what license I should use for stringent.sh?
>
> I really do not care what people do with it so I am inclined to use
> the MIT license.

Well, software licences have been a source of common debate in the open-source 
world for a long time, so I'd hope this won't escalate into a full-fledged 
licences' war. That put aside, the MIT/X11 Licence is the licence that I 
favour for my original software. I used to prefer the Public Domain, but 
became aware that the concept is problematic, especially for software, and the 
MIT/X11 Licence is very close and less disputed.

One benefit of the X11L is that it gives you or any future contributors the 
ability to sub-license the code under a different licence in the future, 
should the need arise.

I wrote more about "Licences Wars" here:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/hackers-il/message/5009

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 08:30:53 2009
From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:30:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Gvim Question
Message-ID: <841544.17227.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Does anyone know any good plugin or add on for gvim? And i do have perl-support.


      

From kent at c2group.net  Sat May 23 08:33:16 2009
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 10:33:16 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Gvim Question
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References: <841544.17227.qm@web36508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <983BDD63-372C-432E-B35A-9063FC0990D8@c2group.net>


On May 23, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Craig wrote:
> Does anyone know any good plugin or add on for gvim? And i do have  
> perl-support.


A good plugin for what?  Nearly any vim plugin works in gvim.

You can always start at http://www.vim.org/scripts/index.php


Kent Cowgill                                     kent at c2group.net

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From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com  Sat May 23 08:49:26 2009
From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 08:49:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Gvim Question
Message-ID: <518714.18625.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


All i was ask what other people use for vim.:)

--- On Sat, 5/23/09, Kent Cowgill <kent at c2group.net> wrote:

> From: Kent Cowgill <kent at c2group.net>
> Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Gvim Question
> To: "Chicago.pm chatter" <chicago-talk at pm.org>
> Date: Saturday, May 23, 2009, 10:33 AM
> 
> On May 23, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Craig wrote:
> > Does anyone know any good plugin or add on for gvim?
> And i do have perl-support.
> 
> 
> A good plugin for what?? Nearly any vim plugin works
> in gvim.
> 
> You can always start at http://www.vim.org/scripts/index.php
> 
> 
> Kent Cowgill? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?
> ? ? ? ???kent at c2group.net
> 
> http://kentcowgill.org/blog? ? ? ?
> ???http://youtube.com/kcowgill
> http://kentcowgill.org/photos???http://flickr.com/people/kcowgill
> 
> 
> 
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From chicago.pm at galumph.com  Sat May 23 09:29:49 2009
From: chicago.pm at galumph.com (Elliot Shank)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 11:29:49 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Gvim Question
In-Reply-To: <518714.18625.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <518714.18625.qm@web36503.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Craig wrote:
> All i was ask what other people use for vim.:)

showmarks

http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=152

From andy at petdance.com  Sun May 24 19:40:01 2009
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 21:40:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] White Camel Nominations
Message-ID: <F81D66C6-987F-4E18-A11B-42B3D5E92FA0@petdance.com>

If you would forward this to your groups it would be very greatly
appreciated.

Thanks!

dha

-----begin message----

Every year the White Camels are presented for service to the Perl
community.

If you look at the previous winners, you'll notice that these are mostly
unsung heroes, like previous awardee Eric Cholet, the human moderator of
so many Perl mailing lists, or Jay Hannah, one of the people running
pm.org (if you ever created/maintained a pm group, chances are that Jay
walked you through the process).

Some of these people may be well known, like Allison Randal or Randal
Schwartz, while others may be complete strangers to at least part of the
globe, like Josh McAdams or Jay. Some of them may be extreme Perl
hackers who created the original JAPH, but they actually received this
award as a recognition for their community contributions to Perl rather
than for their programming ability.

That's not to say a great hacker can't receive the award, but you don't
have to be one in order to be eligible.

That being said, the nomination process for the 2009 White Camels is now
open.

If you think there's someone who deserves a White Camel, this is the
time for you to send in your nominations. Send them to
whitecamel-suggestions at pm.org, if possible with a subject along the
lines of "White Camel Nomination :: $name". Make sure you properly
identify the nominee and tell us why you think that's a worthy
nomination.

Don't go thinking "nah, somebody else will do it" because: a) everybody
else may be thinking the same, and b) you may state your case
differently than the next person.

We'll be receiving nominations until June 21, 2009, by midnight, but
don't wait up or you'll forget. Do it now!

-----end message----
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From beau at open-source-staffing.com  Fri May 29 10:43:26 2009
From: beau at open-source-staffing.com (Beau Gould (OSS))
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 13:43:26 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] If anyone is interested...
Message-ID: <3427B34DC5FF4245811C45C8D6336391@EMACHINE>

I have a Perl job available near Schaumburg.  If you'd like to hear
details, please contact me.  Otherwise, have a nice day. 

Thank you, 

Beau J. Gould 
Open Source Staffing 
www.open-source-staffing.com 
beau at open-source-staffing.com