From richard at rushlogistics.com  Wed Aug  1 06:56:00 2007
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 06:56:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why won't this work?
Message-ID: <357350.91332.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi all.  Does anyone know what I'm missing here?

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

my @arr = qw(a b c d);

foreach $def (@arr) {
        if ($def eq "b") {
             my $trash = shift  # get rid of (trash) b
        }
}

print "@arr\n";

"b" does not get eliminated?


Thanks for any help.

Richard




 

Your beliefs become your thoughts.  Your thoughts become your words.  Your words become your actions.  Your actions become your habits.  Your habits become your values.  Your values become your destiny.  -- Mahatma Gandhi
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From andy at petdance.com  Wed Aug  1 07:01:32 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:01:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why won't this work?
In-Reply-To: <357350.91332.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <357350.91332.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6AFBD5B6-F1B7-453B-896F-6E4C68312640@petdance.com>


On Aug 1, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Richard Reina wrote:

> foreach $def (@arr) {
>         if ($def eq "b") {
>              my $trash = shift  # get rid of (trash) b
>         }
> }
>
> print "@arr\n";
>
> "b" does not get eliminated?

Because you're shifting from @ARGV, not @arr.

The better way to do it is to replace the entire for loop with:

   @arr = grep { $_ ne 'b' } @arr;

xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From frag at ripco.com  Wed Aug  1 07:06:22 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:06:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] OSCON 2007 Talks online
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708010905450.13886@shell3>


Here's the link we were talking about last night:

http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/58/presentations.html

-- Mike F.


From jim at jimandkoka.com  Wed Aug  1 07:08:54 2007
From: jim at jimandkoka.com (Jim Thomason)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:08:54 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why won't this work?
In-Reply-To: <6AFBD5B6-F1B7-453B-896F-6E4C68312640@petdance.com>
References: <357350.91332.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<6AFBD5B6-F1B7-453B-896F-6E4C68312640@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <5cfdfaf70708010708s3d5651dfpd8301d51f88e6e5a@mail.gmail.com>

> Because you're shifting from @ARGV, not @arr.

And even if you were shifting from @arr, you'd just trash the first
element and end up with @arr == qw(b c d); You would've needed do
iterate over indexes and splice out that particular index.

grep's the way to go.

-Jim....

From richard at rushlogistics.com  Wed Aug  1 08:31:57 2007
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 08:31:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why won't this work?
In-Reply-To: <6AFBD5B6-F1B7-453B-896F-6E4C68312640@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <477657.43993.qm@web611.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Andy,

Thanks so much for the response.  Your suggestion was vert elegant and efficient.

Thanks again,

Richard

Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote: 
On Aug 1, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Richard Reina wrote:

> foreach $def (@arr) {
>         if ($def eq "b") {
>              my $trash = shift  # get rid of (trash) b
>         }
> }
>
> print "@arr\n";
>
> "b" does not get eliminated?

Because you're shifting from @ARGV, not @arr.

The better way to do it is to replace the entire for loop with:

   @arr = grep { $_ ne 'b' } @arr;

xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance




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From laylward at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 12:19:20 2007
From: laylward at gmail.com (Lee Aylward)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 11:19:20 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] good DSL ISPs in the area?
Message-ID: <b1d18ab50708011219vfcca9abw7512b38f760e6563@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have had about all I can take of Comcast's horrible support (e.g. multiple
technicians telling me "there is no problem" while have 3000ms pings to any
host). RCN doesn't service my area, Ukrainian Village, so I am going to have
to go with DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good DSL provider?
Ideally I would like to find an ISP that doesn't treat me like an idiot and
make me jump through 30 hoops to get someone to listen.

I realize this is horribly off topic, but I just moved to Chicago and none
of my friends can be of much help with this.

Thanks!
-- 
Lee Aylward
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From tom at yarrish.com  Wed Aug  1 12:28:42 2007
From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 14:28:42 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] good DSL ISPs in the area?
In-Reply-To: <b1d18ab50708011219vfcca9abw7512b38f760e6563@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b1d18ab50708011219vfcca9abw7512b38f760e6563@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C0FC6254-18B8-41E1-BD57-926A9972B0CB@yarrish.com>

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On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Lee Aylward wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I have had about all I can take of Comcast's horrible support (e.g.  
> multiple
> technicians telling me "there is no problem" while have 3000ms  
> pings to any
> host). RCN doesn't service my area, Ukrainian Village, so I am  
> going to have
> to go with DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good DSL  
> provider?
> Ideally I would like to find an ISP that doesn't treat me like an  
> idiot and
> make me jump through 30 hoops to get someone to listen.
>
> I realize this is horribly off topic, but I just moved to Chicago  
> and none
> of my friends can be of much help with this.
>
> Thanks!
> -- 
> Lee Aylward
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


While I don't have them anymore (distance to the CO was an issue for  
me), I had great service with Speakeasy.  I know a lot of people have  
recommended them.
However, they did get bought by Best Buy a few months back, so I  
can't say how they are now.

Tom
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From manchicken at notsosoft.net  Wed Aug  1 13:00:47 2007
From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:00:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] good DSL ISPs in the area?
In-Reply-To: <C0FC6254-18B8-41E1-BD57-926A9972B0CB@yarrish.com>
References: <b1d18ab50708011219vfcca9abw7512b38f760e6563@mail.gmail.com>
	<C0FC6254-18B8-41E1-BD57-926A9972B0CB@yarrish.com>
Message-ID: <200708011500.52743.manchicken@notsosoft.net>

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 14:28:42 Tom Yarrish wrote:
> On Aug 1, 2007, at 2:19 PM, Lee Aylward wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I have had about all I can take of Comcast's horrible support (e.g.
> > multiple
> > technicians telling me "there is no problem" while have 3000ms
> > pings to any
> > host). RCN doesn't service my area, Ukrainian Village, so I am
> > going to have
> > to go with DSL. Does anyone have any suggestions for a good DSL
> > provider?
> > Ideally I would like to find an ISP that doesn't treat me like an
> > idiot and
> > make me jump through 30 hoops to get someone to listen.
> >
> > I realize this is horribly off topic, but I just moved to Chicago
> > and none
> > of my friends can be of much help with this.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > --
> > Lee Aylward
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
> While I don't have them anymore (distance to the CO was an issue for
> me), I had great service with Speakeasy.  I know a lot of people have
> recommended them.
> However, they did get bought by Best Buy a few months back, so I
> can't say how they are now.
>
> Tom
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk

There's no such thing as good DSL.  Way too slow.  Though I suppose cable up 
there isn't much better.  Suburban services may be different, I don't know.  
I do know that the quality of service in the Chicago area varies greatly from 
place to place.  I remember I was in a building in one part of the Hyde Park 
neighborhood and there was no cable modem, and then I moved to another and 
there was 8mbps cable modem.

Unfortunately, however, most DSL providers I know of require you to use the 
only telephone company that has illegally shared customer information with 
the feds (AT&T).  Hopefully I'm wrong about the AT&T requirement.

-- 
~ Michael D. Stemle, Jr. <><
(A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer
09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0


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See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
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From andy at petdance.com  Wed Aug  1 13:31:13 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 15:31:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] My lightning talks at OSCON
Message-ID: <20070801203113.GA26084@petdance.com>

http://youtube.com/watch?v=G1ynTV_E-5s

That's my combined lightning talks at OSCON, including a certain Mr.
Krawczyk messing w/my presentation...

xoxo,
Andy

-- 
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

From andy at petdance.com  Wed Aug  1 07:01:32 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:01:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why won't this work?
In-Reply-To: <357350.91332.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <357350.91332.qm@web612.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6AFBD5B6-F1B7-453B-896F-6E4C68312640@petdance.com>


On Aug 1, 2007, at 8:56 AM, Richard Reina wrote:

> foreach $def (@arr) {
>         if ($def eq "b") {
>              my $trash = shift  # get rid of (trash) b
>         }
> }
>
> print "@arr\n";
>
> "b" does not get eliminated?

Because you're shifting from @ARGV, not @arr.

The better way to do it is to replace the entire for loop with:

   @arr = grep { $_ ne 'b' } @arr;

xoxo,
Andy

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From mongers at bsod.net  Wed Aug  1 20:51:01 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 22:51:01 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] OSCON 2007 Talks online
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708010905450.13886@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708010905450.13886@shell3>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708012250200.21672@steward.bsod.net>

Subject: [Chicago-talk] OSCON 2007 Talks online
From: Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com>
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 09:06:22 -0500 (CDT)

}Here's the link we were talking about last night:
}
}http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/58/presentations.html

For that matter, here's the rest of the links from last night:

http://chicago.pm.org/
http://chicago.pm.org/wiki/Membership_list
http://www.perlfoundation.org/perl5/
http://www.perlsurvey.org/
http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/

Thanks,
-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
    Chicago Perl Mongers
    mongers at bsod dot net

From me at heyjay.com  Wed Aug  1 21:24:41 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:24:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
Message-ID: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm trying to use this program called "websec".  Its sort of a poor
man's RSS.  Its supposed to look at a webpage and notice if its
changed, and if so, email the updated page.

I can't get the emailing to work on my machine.  I snipped out the
code in the program that does the emailing (below).  I don't get how
the email would be sent.  Doesn't there need to be some sort of email
client setup to send this to an SMTP server or something?

# Mail HTML document.
# Params: filename, subject, recipient
# Returns: none
sub MailDocument() {
    my $filename   = shift (@_);
    my $subject    = shift (@_);
    my @recipients = split /,/, shift (@_);
    my $from       = shift (@_);
    my $tmpstr     = $/;

    undef $/;
    open( FILE, "$filename" ) or die "Cannot open $filename: $!\n";
    my $content = <FILE>;
    close(FILE);

    foreach $email (@recipients) {
        $req = HTTP::Request->new( POST => "mailto:" . $email );
        if ( $from ne "" ) {
            $req->header( "From",   $from );
            $req->header( "Sender", $from );
        }
        $req->header( "Subject",                   $subject );
        $req->header( "Content-type",              "text/html" );
        $req->header( "Content-Transfer-Encoding", "7bit" );
        $req->header( "MIME-Version",              "1.0" );
        $req->content($content);

        $ua = new LWP::UserAgent;
        my $resp = $ua->request($req);
        die "Error mailing document: ".$resp->message()."\n" if $resp->is_error;
    }

    $/ = $tmpstr;
}

From arodland at comcast.net  Wed Aug  1 21:36:36 2007
From: arodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:36:36 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200708012336.36979.arodland@comcast.net>

On Wednesday 01 August 2007 11:24:41 pm Jay Strauss wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to use this program called "websec".  Its sort of a poor
> man's RSS.  Its supposed to look at a webpage and notice if its
> changed, and if so, email the updated page.
>
> I can't get the emailing to work on my machine.  I snipped out the
> code in the program that does the emailing (below).  I don't get how
> the email would be sent.  Doesn't there need to be some sort of email
> client setup to send this to an SMTP server or something?
>
> [ code using an LWP POST to send mail ]

There is in fact an LWP::Protocol::mailto which is supposed to be able to send 
mail when used exactly this way... the problem is that it only knows how to 
do one thing, which is pipe through sendmail (if, of course, it can find it 
in one of three predefined locations). So, hardly portable. I'd suggest 
tearing it out and replacing it with calls to Email::Send, which knows 
several ways to send mail, so you can tell it about one that will work for 
you. Or else, you can tell it to be smart and try several :)

Andrew

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed Aug  1 21:38:56 2007
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2007 23:38:56 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49d805d70708012138w357503d0ve685d44413e7e8a9@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like there does need to be something local to your machine
handling the requests...
http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/libwww-perl-5.807/lib/LWP.pm#Mailto_Request

On 8/1/07, Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to use this program called "websec".  Its sort of a poor
> man's RSS.  Its supposed to look at a webpage and notice if its
> changed, and if so, email the updated page.
>
> I can't get the emailing to work on my machine.  I snipped out the
> code in the program that does the emailing (below).  I don't get how
> the email would be sent.  Doesn't there need to be some sort of email
> client setup to send this to an SMTP server or something?
>
> # Mail HTML document.
> # Params: filename, subject, recipient
> # Returns: none
> sub MailDocument() {
>     my $filename   = shift (@_);
>     my $subject    = shift (@_);
>     my @recipients = split /,/, shift (@_);
>     my $from       = shift (@_);
>     my $tmpstr     = $/;
>
>     undef $/;
>     open( FILE, "$filename" ) or die "Cannot open $filename: $!\n";
>     my $content = <FILE>;
>     close(FILE);
>
>     foreach $email (@recipients) {
>         $req = HTTP::Request->new( POST => "mailto:" . $email );
>         if ( $from ne "" ) {
>             $req->header( "From",   $from );
>             $req->header( "Sender", $from );
>         }
>         $req->header( "Subject",                   $subject );
>         $req->header( "Content-type",              "text/html" );
>         $req->header( "Content-Transfer-Encoding", "7bit" );
>         $req->header( "MIME-Version",              "1.0" );
>         $req->content($content);
>
>         $ua = new LWP::UserAgent;
>         my $resp = $ua->request($req);
>         die "Error mailing document: ".$resp->message()."\n" if $resp->is_error;
>     }
>
>     $/ = $tmpstr;
> }
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From amead2 at alanmead.org  Wed Aug  1 21:42:47 2007
From: amead2 at alanmead.org (Alan Mead)
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:42:47 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <200708012336.36979.arodland@comcast.net>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<200708012336.36979.arodland@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <46B160C7.8070503@alanmead.org>

Andrew Rodland wrote:
> in one of three predefined locations). So, hardly portable. I'd suggest 
> tearing it out and replacing it with calls to Email::Send, which knows 
> several ways to send mail, so you can tell it about one that will work for 
> you. Or else, you can tell it to be smart and try several :)
>   

I've also had good luck with MIME::Lite which can handle attachments and
SMTP (copying from the man page):

  MIME::Lite->send('smtp', "smtp.myisp.net", Timeout=>60);


    $msg = MIME::Lite->new(
                 To      =>'you at yourhost.com',
                 Subject =>'HTML with in-line images!',
                 Type    =>'multipart/related'
                 );
    $msg->attach(Type => 'text/html',
                 Data => qq{ <body>
                             Here's <i>my</i> image:
                             <img src="cid:myimage.gif">
                             </body> }
                 );
    $msg->attach(Type => 'image/gif',
                 Id   => 'myimage.gif',
                 Path => '/path/to/somefile.gif',
                 );
    $msg->send();



-Alan

-- 
Alan D. Mead, Ph.D. 
Assistant Professor, Institute of Psychology
Scientific Adviser, Center for Research and Service
Illinois Institute of Technology
3101 South Dearborn, 2nd floor
Chicago IL 60616

Skype: alandmead
+312.567.5933 (Campus)
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+312.567.3493 (Fax)

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Believe that life is worth living, 
and your belief will help create the fact.
  -- Henry James


From e.ellington at gmail.com  Thu Aug  2 07:19:32 2007
From: e.ellington at gmail.com (Eric Ellington)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 09:19:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <cf13ea7e0708020719m67975e64if30602f3b93f4f20@mail.gmail.com>

If you have access to an SMTP server you can try out Mail-Sender. I
used it yesterday for the first time on a windows machine and it
worked as advertised.

 use Mail::Sender;

 $sender = new Mail::Sender {smtp => 'mail.yourmailserver.com', from
=> 'me at test.com', on_errors => 'code'};

 $sender->MailMsg(
{to => 'you at test.com', subject => 'Here is the data', msg => "I'm
sending you the list you wanted."}
) or die "ERROR:$Mail::Sender::Error $!\n";

On 8/1/07, Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to use this program called "websec".  Its sort of a poor
> man's RSS.  Its supposed to look at a webpage and notice if its
> changed, and if so, email the updated page.
>
> I can't get the emailing to work on my machine.  I snipped out the
> code in the program that does the emailing (below).  I don't get how
> the email would be sent.  Doesn't there need to be some sort of email
> client setup to send this to an SMTP server or something?
>
> # Mail HTML document.
> # Params: filename, subject, recipient
> # Returns: none
> sub MailDocument() {
>     my $filename   = shift (@_);
>     my $subject    = shift (@_);
>     my @recipients = split /,/, shift (@_);
>     my $from       = shift (@_);
>     my $tmpstr     = $/;
>
>     undef $/;
>     open( FILE, "$filename" ) or die "Cannot open $filename: $!\n";
>     my $content = <FILE>;
>     close(FILE);
>
>     foreach $email (@recipients) {
>         $req = HTTP::Request->new( POST => "mailto:" . $email );
>         if ( $from ne "" ) {
>             $req->header( "From",   $from );
>             $req->header( "Sender", $from );
>         }
>         $req->header( "Subject",                   $subject );
>         $req->header( "Content-type",              "text/html" );
>         $req->header( "Content-Transfer-Encoding", "7bit" );
>         $req->header( "MIME-Version",              "1.0" );
>         $req->content($content);
>
>         $ua = new LWP::UserAgent;
>         my $resp = $ua->request($req);
>         die "Error mailing document: ".$resp->message()."\n" if $resp->is_error;
>     }
>
>     $/ = $tmpstr;
> }
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>


-- 
Eric Ellington
e.ellington at gmail.com

From me at heyjay.com  Thu Aug  2 10:53:32 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 12:53:32 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <cf13ea7e0708020719m67975e64if30602f3b93f4f20@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf13ea7e0708020719m67975e64if30602f3b93f4f20@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60708021053lcf056cby8b0e3d29c71e1616@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks everyone.  Unfortunately, the script in question still doesn't
do what I need so I'll have to home grow one anyway, in which case
I'll use one of the methods above to send the email.

thanks
Jay

From frag at ripco.com  Thu Aug  2 11:04:26 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:04:26 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708021253130.26779@shell3>


First, some pointers:

The Perl Email Project Wiki:
   http://emailproject.perl.org/wiki/Main_Page
Ricardo Signes' talk on the P.E.P. at YAPC 2007:
   http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-email-the-2007-pep-talk/
   (click the "Download" link)

The slides have numerous examples for sending mail, about half-way in.

Finally, can you send plain old email from your host's command line?
I.e.:
    mail -s "test" you at somewhere.com < file

If that works, then if you continue to have problems with mailing 
via Perl, there's a very hacky solution.  Just replace this:

   # Mail HTML document.
   # Params: filename, subject, recipient
   # Returns: none
   sub MailDocument() {

with this:

   sub MailDocument {
      my ($file, $subj, $to) = @_;
      `mail -s $subj $to < $file`;

Just add some parameter testing for validity & taintedness, and 
checking of the output/error from the mail command.

-- Mike F.

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Thu Aug  2 11:29:17 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 14:29:17 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60708021053lcf056cby8b0e3d29c71e1616@mail.gmail.com>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>	<cf13ea7e0708020719m67975e64if30602f3b93f4f20@mail.gmail.com>
	<aabc51b60708021053lcf056cby8b0e3d29c71e1616@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46B2227D.1060704@wrkhors.com>


> Thanks everyone.  Unfortunately, the script in question still doesn't
> do what I need so I'll have to home grow one anyway, in which case
> I'll use one of the methods above to send the email.

Q: Can you send email via the command line with
   /usr/lib/sendmail (or whatever equivalent you
   are using locally)?

Q: Does "telnet localhost 25" get you a prompt or
   no connection socket error?

Q: If you do not intend to use local smtp, what
   is your ISP's smtp forwarding hostname or
   IP address? If you telnet to it's IP and port
   25 can you connect?

Until you have working answers to these questions
no amount of local email code is going to work: it
won't have a mail transport agent to talk to and
thus won't have any way to move the mail. Once you
have a connection to the transport agent then you
can start testing a really, really, really minimal
email program: send yourself "hello world". Once
THAT works start dealing with the rest of it.

There is a good animal book on the subject: Programming
Internet Email. I'd suggest reading it on Safari to
get the setup & troubleshooting steps.

enjoi

-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From me at heyjay.com  Thu Aug  2 11:31:03 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 13:31:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708021253130.26779@shell3>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.61.0708021253130.26779@shell3>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60708021131k34c7050ax9b6b9028888eaf35@mail.gmail.com>

I've never setup a emailer, I'll have to do that first

On 8/2/07, Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com> wrote:
>
> First, some pointers:
>
> The Perl Email Project Wiki:
>    http://emailproject.perl.org/wiki/Main_Page
> Ricardo Signes' talk on the P.E.P. at YAPC 2007:
>    http://www.slideshare.net/rjbs/how-i-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-email-the-2007-pep-talk/
>    (click the "Download" link)
>
> The slides have numerous examples for sending mail, about half-way in.
>
> Finally, can you send plain old email from your host's command line?
> I.e.:
>     mail -s "test" you at somewhere.com < file
>
> If that works, then if you continue to have problems with mailing
> via Perl, there's a very hacky solution.  Just replace this:
>
>    # Mail HTML document.
>    # Params: filename, subject, recipient
>    # Returns: none
>    sub MailDocument() {
>
> with this:
>
>    sub MailDocument {
>       my ($file, $subj, $to) = @_;
>       `mail -s $subj $to < $file`;
>
> Just add some parameter testing for validity & taintedness, and
> checking of the output/error from the mail command.
>
> -- Mike F.
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>

From jon at jrock.us  Sun Aug  5 00:29:55 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan T. Rockway)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:29:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] My lightning talks at OSCON
In-Reply-To: <20070801203113.GA26084@petdance.com>
References: <20070801203113.GA26084@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <20070805072955.GB8083@jrock.us>

On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 03:31:13PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=G1ynTV_E-5s
> 
> That's my combined lightning talks at OSCON, including a certain Mr.
> Krawczyk messing w/my presentation...

Too bad they didn't record Larry's followup.

FWIW, I like using the word script for a program that doesn't use any
"custom" modules.  When you modularize everything and add a test suite,
then you can call your script an application.  To be fair, I hold other
langauges to the same standards, and call quick programs written in C
scripts too.  Script is not a bad word.  

In the words of the BPS shirt, "Shut the fuck up and write some code."
Nobody cares what you call it.

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

From jon at jrock.us  Sun Aug  5 00:35:18 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan T. Rockway)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:35:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <46B2227D.1060704@wrkhors.com>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf13ea7e0708020719m67975e64if30602f3b93f4f20@mail.gmail.com>
	<aabc51b60708021053lcf056cby8b0e3d29c71e1616@mail.gmail.com>
	<46B2227D.1060704@wrkhors.com>
Message-ID: <20070805073518.GC8083@jrock.us>

On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 02:29:17PM -0400, Steven Lembark wrote:
> Q: If you do not intend to use local smtp, what
>    is your ISP's smtp forwarding hostname or
>    IP address? If you telnet to it's IP and port
>    25 can you connect?
> 
> Until you have working answers to these questions
> no amount of local email code is going to work: it
> won't have a mail transport agent to talk to and
> thus won't have any way to move the mail. 

Not true.  If I want to send mail to foo at example.com, all I have to do
is look up the MX record for example.com and talk to port 25 on that
machine.  No local (or ISP-level) mail server is necessary.

Things like SPF might complicate this if you want to send mail with a
>From field of me at yourcompany.com, so I wouldn't necessarily recommend
it.  Then again, I sent this message with that technique, so it
apparently works.

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

From jon at jrock.us  Sun Aug  5 00:43:19 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan T. Rockway)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 02:43:19 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] good DSL ISPs in the area?
In-Reply-To: <200708011500.52743.manchicken@notsosoft.net>
References: <b1d18ab50708011219vfcca9abw7512b38f760e6563@mail.gmail.com>
	<C0FC6254-18B8-41E1-BD57-926A9972B0CB@yarrish.com>
	<200708011500.52743.manchicken@notsosoft.net>
Message-ID: <20070805074319.GD8083@jrock.us>

On Wed, Aug 01, 2007 at 03:00:47PM -0500, Michael D. Stemle, Jr. wrote:
> On Wednesday 01 August 2007 14:28:42 Tom Yarrish wrote:
> > While I don't have them anymore (distance to the CO was an issue for
> > me), I had great service with Speakeasy.  I know a lot of people have
> > recommended them.
> > However, they did get bought by Best Buy a few months back, so I
> > can't say how they are now.

They're still the best.  Try calling them (any time of the day) and
your problem will be acted upon within minutes.  It's awesome.

> There's no such thing as good DSL.  Way too slow.  Though I suppose cable up 
> there isn't much better.  

I get 6M/1M, which is good enough.

> Unfortunately, however, most DSL providers I know of require you to use the 
> only telephone company that has illegally shared customer information with 
> the feds (AT&T).  Hopefully I'm wrong about the AT&T requirement.

Which is why you use encryption.  Let the government waste time with
wiretapping.  They can't read *my* private mail, so who cares?

Of course, maybe the NSA can break the encryption.  But if they can
break AES and announce that fact to the world (by prosecuting people
with evidence obtained through encrypted mail), then they let the
people that they actually care about (foreign governments) know to
stop using AES.  Which is something they don't want to happen.

The fact of the matter is that you're not important enough for the
government to care about.  It's better to worry about things you can
actually change, anyway.

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

From kent at c2group.net  Sun Aug  5 03:57:12 2007
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 05:57:12 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <20070805073518.GC8083@jrock.us>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>
	<cf13ea7e0708020719m67975e64if30602f3b93f4f20@mail.gmail.com>
	<aabc51b60708021053lcf056cby8b0e3d29c71e1616@mail.gmail.com>
	<46B2227D.1060704@wrkhors.com> <20070805073518.GC8083@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <AFD6883B-95BD-40AB-AABB-14EB8142B255@c2group.net>

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On Aug 5, 2007, at 2:35 AM, Jonathan T. Rockway wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 02, 2007 at 02:29:17PM -0400, Steven Lembark wrote:
>> Q: If you do not intend to use local smtp, what
>>    is your ISP's smtp forwarding hostname or
>>    IP address? If you telnet to it's IP and port
>>    25 can you connect?
>>
>> Until you have working answers to these questions
>> no amount of local email code is going to work: it
>> won't have a mail transport agent to talk to and
>> thus won't have any way to move the mail.
>
> Not true.  If I want to send mail to foo at example.com, all I have to do
> is look up the MX record for example.com and talk to port 25 on that
> machine.  No local (or ISP-level) mail server is necessary.

Unless your ISP blocks outbound connections on port 25 in some  
misguided attempt to block email spam zombies,

> Then again, I sent this message with that technique, so it
> apparently works.

Just because your ISP allows you to do that doesn't mean everyone  
else's does.


- -Kent Cowgill

C2 Group, Inc.                                             
kent at c2group.net
http://www.c2group.net                                         
312.804.0160

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From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com  Sun Aug  5 07:29:11 2007
From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig Petty)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 07:29:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-support prob
Message-ID: <430091.53104.qm@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



I have prob after i install perl-support.zip i will
not list any of the perl modules for some reason any idea?


       
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From andy at petdance.com  Sun Aug  5 08:27:05 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 10:27:05 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] My lightning talks at OSCON
In-Reply-To: <20070805072955.GB8083@jrock.us>
References: <20070801203113.GA26084@petdance.com>
	<20070805072955.GB8083@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <19A518D0-7EE3-4EAC-9587-6FACEB2BDB88@petdance.com>

I, too, wish that Larry's State Of The Onion had been recorded.

> In the words of the BPS shirt, "Shut the fuck up and write some code."
> Nobody cares what you call it.

I do.  And I write plenty of code.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From jon at jrock.us  Sun Aug  5 20:32:03 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan T. Rockway)
Date: Sun, 5 Aug 2007 22:32:03 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-support prob
In-Reply-To: <430091.53104.qm@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <430091.53104.qm@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20070806033203.GB13136@jrock.us>

On Sun, Aug 05, 2007 at 07:29:11AM -0700, Craig Petty wrote:
> 
> I have prob after i install perl-support.zip i will
> not list any of the perl modules for some reason any idea?

Step back.  Explain what you are trying to achieve.

Regards, 
Jonathan Rockway

From chicago.pm at galumph.com  Sun Aug  5 21:14:18 2007
From: chicago.pm at galumph.com (Elliot Shank)
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 23:14:18 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl-support prob
In-Reply-To: <430091.53104.qm@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <430091.53104.qm@web36510.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <46B6A01A.5010501@galumph.com>

Craig Petty wrote:
> I have prob after i install perl-support.zip i will
> not list any of the perl modules for some reason any idea?

I'm assuming that you're talking about the Vim plugin at http://www.vim.org/scripts/script.php?script_id=556.  Have you contacted the author?

But, as the esteemed Mr. Rockway stated, first figure out the details.

1. What is your goal?
2. What actions are you taking to achieve said goal?
3. What do you expect the results of those actions to be?
4. What are the results that you're actually seeing?
5. What work-arounds have your tried?
6. What have the results of those been?
7. Which parts of the documentation have you looked at?  There's a lot there.  (There's a short troubleshooting section at the end-- does any of it apply to your situation?)
8. Which version of Vim are you using?  Which version of which OS are you running it on?  Which version of perl-support are you using?

Gather all that information together and then contact the author.

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Mon Aug  6 09:03:01 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Mon, 06 Aug 2007 12:03:01 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] emailing from perl
In-Reply-To: <AFD6883B-95BD-40AB-AABB-14EB8142B255@c2group.net>
References: <aabc51b60708012124v24fbb8a6ld5c22d905c0e1adc@mail.gmail.com>	<cf13ea7e0708020719m67975e64if30602f3b93f4f20@mail.gmail.com>	<aabc51b60708021053lcf056cby8b0e3d29c71e1616@mail.gmail.com>	<46B2227D.1060704@wrkhors.com>
	<20070805073518.GC8083@jrock.us>
	<AFD6883B-95BD-40AB-AABB-14EB8142B255@c2group.net>
Message-ID: <46B74635.9040408@wrkhors.com>


> Just because your ISP allows you to do that doesn't mean everyone
> else's does.

And until you check you won't know. Checking by
sending some mail via MUA locally is usually going to
be easier than debugging why it didn't get sent in
the code.

-- 
Steven Lembark                                         85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                  Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Tue Aug  7 15:16:50 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2007 17:16:50 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Lincoln Park Zoo Camel Tour,
	Saturday August 11 at 11 am
Message-ID: <2715accf0708071516s3cf33b5ej826d2c2349f89e1b@mail.gmail.com>

I still have spots open for the Lincoln Park Zoo Camel Tour on
Saturday, so I'm opening it up to anyone who wants to come. Please
RSVP with me---the tour can only accomodate so many people due to the
size of the camel enclosure. Everyone can still come to the Zoo, but I
can't guarantee Camel access :)

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Sun Aug 12 01:47:06 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 03:47:06 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Our trip to the Zoo
Message-ID: <2715accf0708120147t6e787c22md2bfe0ab98aaff5@mail.gmail.com>

A bunch of people made it to the zoo on Saturday to tour the camel
exhibit (and a few didn't make it for various reasons, so better luck
next year).

The tour started with a docent-guided walk through the Reichenstein
African Journey, where the highlight was the meerkat exhibit. You may
remember those animals from such films as The Lion King and Meerkat
manner, but I remember it as an O'Reilly service from a long time ago:
http://tim.oreilly.com/pub/d/300

The camel tour started with a zookeeper taking us behind-the-scenes of
the old elephant exhibit. The elephants all died of TB in the past
couple of years, so the camels got to move up in the world by taking
over the elephant space. Inside the elephant enclosure there are big
rooms caged in various ways designed to get elephants to do whatever
the zookeepers need. How do you control an elephant? Move it into a
"pinch corridor" that has a movable wall. Once the elephant is in the
corridor, shut the cage door and move the wall in until the elephant
can't turn around.

The camels themselves were outside. It was a mildly hot and sticky
day, not the worst that Chicago can do, but the zoo closes the
animal's entrance to the enclosure so they stay outside. Otherwise,
they'd stay in the cool inside and eat all day. Just like Perl Mongers
would do, although the Camels don't get caffienated drinks.

There are three bactrian camels, one male and two females. These are
the two-humped sort that come from China and Mongolia, not the
one-humped dromedary sort on the front of Programming Perl. The
zookeeper said their names, but nobody was really listening since we
were too busy taking photos. The camels decided to not come up to us.
They're smart like that; a group of people spells trouble.

We were actaully able to get closer to the camels from the public side
of the exhibit. Here's the Perl people of the group:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/47329375 at N00/1090154093/

Next year perhaps we can try for a different animal. They do have
alpacas there, although we could still sponsor the camel and then try
to see the polar bears behind-the-scenes. :)

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From mongers at bsod.net  Mon Aug 13 08:47:05 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 10:47:05 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] REMINDER: August 14,
	2007: Perl Unit and Functional Testing
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708131024350.11106@steward.bsod.net>

   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
               Chicago Perl Mongers / UniForum Meeting Announcement
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Topic: Perl Unit and Functional Testing
   Presenter: Kent Cowgill
   Date/Time: Tuesday, August 14th, 2007, 7:00 PM
    Location: IIT-Rice Campus, 201 East Loop Rd, Wheaton, IL
   Afterward: Dinner at CozyMel's <http://www.cozymels.com/store_wheaton.htm>
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Kent will be talking about getting started with unit and functional 
testing using everyone's favorite language, Perl.

Additionally, he will talk about code quality, test coverage, and making
things a lot easier on the person doing the testing using a Makefile.

Finally, Kent will talk about how he used Test::Harness to create a custom
test module in order to be able to unit test the code in use at his job,
which is a template framework that combines perl code with HTML, making
traditional unit testing rather difficult.


Kent Cowgill has been a Perl programmer and system administrator for over 
a dozen years.  Recently, he's written a large test suite for a legacy 
system, using reverse engineering, namespace manipulation and several Perl 
modules (such as Test::MockObject, Devel::Cover and HTML::Lint).


As with all Chicago Perl Mongers meetings, everyone is welcome,
whether or not you consider yourself a member. We look forward to
seeing you there!

Questions about this meeting?  Ask on the chicago-talk at pm.org mailing
list, or send email to andy at petdance dot com.  You can also see a list
of past and upcoming meetings at http://chicago.pm.org/meetings/.


-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
     Chicago Perl Mongers
     mongers at bsod dot net

From mongers at bsod.net  Mon Aug 13 18:20:25 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2007 20:20:25 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] FW: Facebook Developer Meetup - 8/18
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708132017571.11106@steward.bsod.net>

For those of you interested...

FYI, there is a Perl client: http://search.cpan.org/dist/WWW-Facebook-API/

  _____

From: Keith Schacht [mailto:krschacht at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: Facebook Developer Meetup - 8/18


Next weekend a member of the Facebook Platform Team will be in Chicago to
introduce the Platform and answer questions. Please join us to share ideas,
troll for partners on your latest project, check out app demonstrations,
seek developer support direct from Facebook Developers, or just socialize
with people like you.


Members of the Facebook Platform Team will give an introduction to Platform,
discuss best practices around product design & viral marketing techniques,
and hold a technical Q&A. Plus other talks on monetizing FB apps, lessons
learned, and more. Free snacks, lunch, and drinks/beer will be provided.

Details: http://www.facebookchicago.com <http://www.facebookchicago.com/>

RSVP at http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=2642140688



From tzz at lifelogs.com  Tue Aug 14 08:25:21 2007
From: tzz at lifelogs.com (Ted Zlatanov)
Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 10:25:21 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] searching for Perl work in the Chicago area
Message-ID: <m2643ip28u.fsf@lifelogs.com>

Hello,

(please excuse me if you feel this e-mail is inappropriate)

I've just moved to Chicago and am looking for work doing Perl/Java
development (I find Perl much more rewarding) and Linux/Solaris system
administration.  jobs.perl.org was not very useful, and I hope here I
can get pointers to Perl work, which would be fun for me.  I'm
interested in other languages, e.g. Lisp or Ruby or Haskell, but I tend
to think in Perl :)

My resume is at http://lifelogs.com/${uid}.txt where $uid='tzz';

Thanks
Ted Zlatanov

From jon at jrock.us  Thu Aug 16 06:26:25 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:26:25 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] searching for Perl work in the Chicago area
In-Reply-To: <m2643ip28u.fsf@lifelogs.com>
References: <m2643ip28u.fsf@lifelogs.com>
Message-ID: <20070816132625.GA11748@jrock.us>

On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 10:25:21AM -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> (please excuse me if you feel this e-mail is inappropriate)
> 
> I've just moved to Chicago and am looking for work doing Perl/Java
> development (I find Perl much more rewarding) and Linux/Solaris system
> administration.  jobs.perl.org was not very useful, and I hope here I
> can get pointers to Perl work, which would be fun for me.  I'm
> interested in other languages, e.g. Lisp or Ruby or Haskell, but I tend
> to think in Perl :)
> 
> My resume is at http://lifelogs.com/${uid}.txt where $uid='tzz';

Your web server won't let me look:

  Forbidden
  You don't have permission to access /tzz.txt on this server.

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

From tzz at lifelogs.com  Thu Aug 16 07:29:30 2007
From: tzz at lifelogs.com (Ted Zlatanov)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:29:30 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] searching for Perl work in the Chicago area
In-Reply-To: <20070816132625.GA11748@jrock.us> (Jonathan Rockway's message of
	"Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:26:25 -0500")
References: <m2643ip28u.fsf@lifelogs.com> <20070816132625.GA11748@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <m2lkcblfhx.fsf@lifelogs.com>

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:26:25 -0500 Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote: 

JR> On Tue, Aug 14, 2007 at 10:25:21AM -0500, Ted Zlatanov wrote:
>> My resume is at http://lifelogs.com/${uid}.txt where $uid='tzz';

JR> Your web server won't let me look:

JR>   Forbidden
JR>   You don't have permission to access /tzz.txt on this server.

I edited it with Emacs over tramp/ssh yesterday, and that set the
permissions to 600 for some reason.  Sorry, it's fixed.

Ted

From me at heyjay.com  Thu Aug 16 07:30:39 2007
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:30:39 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] searching for Perl work in the Chicago area
In-Reply-To: <20070816132625.GA11748@jrock.us>
References: <m2643ip28u.fsf@lifelogs.com> <20070816132625.GA11748@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60708160730s2b36842bie6f05cef689b0e70@mail.gmail.com>

It works for me

>
> Your web server won't let me look:
>
>  Forbidden
>  You don't have permission to access /tzz.txt on this server.
>
> Regards,
> Jonathan Rockway

From jason at hostedlabs.com  Thu Aug 16 07:48:58 2007
From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:48:58 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] searching for Perl work in the Chicago area
In-Reply-To: <aabc51b60708160730s2b36842bie6f05cef689b0e70@mail.gmail.com>
References: <m2643ip28u.fsf@lifelogs.com> <20070816132625.GA11748@jrock.us>
	<aabc51b60708160730s2b36842bie6f05cef689b0e70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46C463DA.5020406@hostedlabs.com>

emacs.. thats the source of your problems..

$MatchToVimEmacsHolyWar++;



Jay Strauss wrote:
> It works for me
> 
>> Your web server won't let me look:
>>
>>  Forbidden
>>  You don't have permission to access /tzz.txt on this server.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jonathan Rockway
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk

From tzz at lifelogs.com  Thu Aug 16 08:28:38 2007
From: tzz at lifelogs.com (Ted Zlatanov)
Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 10:28:38 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] searching for Perl work in the Chicago area
In-Reply-To: <46C463DA.5020406@hostedlabs.com> (Jason Rexilius's message of
	"Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:48:58 -0500")
References: <m2643ip28u.fsf@lifelogs.com> <20070816132625.GA11748@jrock.us>
	<aabc51b60708160730s2b36842bie6f05cef689b0e70@mail.gmail.com>
	<46C463DA.5020406@hostedlabs.com>
Message-ID: <m2d4xnlcrd.fsf@lifelogs.com>

On Thu, 16 Aug 2007 09:48:58 -0500 Jason Rexilius <jason at hostedlabs.com> wrote: 

JR> emacs.. thats the source of your problems..
JR> $MatchToVimEmacsHolyWar++;

It was actually some code I wrote myself.  tzz-permissions-alist comes
from a permissions file I had forgotten to update for a while.

(defun tzz-write-file-hook ()
  (interactive)
  "Do personal setting of file permissions"
  (dolist (cell tzz-permissions-alist nil)
    (let ((permission (string-to-number (cdr cell) 8))
          (regex (car cell)))
      (when (string-match regex buffer-file-name)
        (when tzz-write-file-verbose
          (message "setting permissions of %s to %o" buffer-file-name permission))
        (set-file-modes buffer-file-name permission)))))

(add-hook 'after-save-hook 'tzz-write-file-hook)

Ted

From richard at rushlogistics.com  Fri Aug 17 12:25:42 2007
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 12:25:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Network audit scripts
Message-ID: <14932.94610.qm@web615.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I am hoping to write a simple script that verifies that my 20 machines on my  private LAN (not connected to the internet ) are up and running.  I have built an SMS gateway that can send me a text in the event of an irregularity.  Does anyone know where I might find some sample scripts in -- perl of course?  Or must I use Nagios, Cati or Argus?

Thanks,

Richard


Your beliefs become your thoughts.  Your thoughts become your words.  Your words become your actions.  Your actions become your habits.  Your habits become your values.  Your values become your destiny.  -- Mahatma Gandhi
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From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Fri Aug 17 12:35:10 2007
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2007 14:35:10 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: updown
Message-ID: <OF28B9BFDE.1A4F77D7-ON8625733A.006B5042-8625733A.006B96BF@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

> I am hoping to write a simple script that verifies that my 20 machines 
on my  private LAN (not connected to the internet ) are up and running.

Here's a simple, not great script somebody else wrote called updown.  You 
can create a conf file (sample at the beginning of the script) w/ each 
host and pretty much choose what op you want to test (ping, http, ftp 
etc.). It's got a few issues, but it seems to work.

Again, I didn't write it (Yufan Hu did back in '01) and it has some 
non-perlish-ness to it. I cleaned it up a tad but there are some things 
I'd do differently.  There are probably modules to do much of the ugly 
parts now.

a

Andy Bach
Systems Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

If you put a spoonful of wine in a barrel full of sewage, you get sewage. 
If you put a spoonful of sewage in a barrel full of wine, you get sewage. 
Schopenhauer's law of entropy 


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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Tue Aug 21 00:09:08 2007
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 03:09:08 -0400
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw: updown
In-Reply-To: <OF28B9BFDE.1A4F77D7-ON8625733A.006B5042-8625733A.006B96BF@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OF28B9BFDE.1A4F77D7-ON8625733A.006B5042-8625733A.006B96BF@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <46CA8F94.9020005@wrkhors.com>


>> I am hoping to write a simple script that verifies that my 20 machines
> on my  private LAN (not connected to the internet ) are up and running.
>
> Here's a simple, not great script somebody else wrote called updown.  You
> can create a conf file (sample at the beginning of the script) w/ each
> host and pretty much choose what op you want to test (ping, http, ftp
> etc.). It's got a few issues, but it seems to work.
>
> Again, I didn't write it (Yufan Hu did back in '01) and it has some
> non-perlish-ness to it. I cleaned it up a tad but there are some things
> I'd do differently.  There are probably modules to do much of the ugly
> parts now.

Also worth checking for "SMS" on CPAN.

-- 
Steven Lembark                                            85-09 90th St.
Workhorse Computing                                 Woodhaven, NY, 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                      +1 888 359 3508

From andy at petdance.com  Tue Aug 21 21:36:33 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2007 23:36:33 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perlbuzz.com launches
Message-ID: <779C964D-516C-477B-8168-9601F7815584@petdance.com>

If you're a digg user, would you please digg this story.
http://digg.com/programming/ 
Perlbuzz_com_launches_A_Perl_news_site_with_a_difference


 From perlbuzz.com:

A lot of people have been asking us, "Why do we need another Perl  
blog?" We believe that there's room for as many Perl blogs, journals,  
and news sites as people want to set up. Each has its own flavour and  
will appeal to different groups of people, and that's just fine. Perl  
Buzz's unique selling point is that we're bringing a shiny, happy  
view of the Perl world to the masses. Some other sites focus on  
communicating within the existing Perl community. We'll do that, too,  
but we also hope to reach out to those who aren't yet part of the  
tribe, and show them just how cool Perl is.

So, let's take a look at what Perl Buzz has to offer.

     * The main Perl Buzz blog is all about news, reviews, and what's  
exciting in the Perl world. We're interested in everything from  
impressive Perl websites (see our review of iusethis.com) to releases  
of free and commercial Perl software (like Movable Type 4.0, released  
last week) to interesting uses of Perl you might not know about (like  
attributes or how to write a LOLCODE parser using Parse::RecDescent).

     * Over in Project Hum, we track what's going on in Perl  
projects. Anything from performance tweaks to calls for help to  
translations of docs into other languages. We watch other Perl news  
sources to find out what's going on, but please let us know if you'd  
like us to post something about your project!

     * CPAN Watch is all about what's noteworthy on CPAN. Watching  
the full feed of CPAN uploads can be like drinking from the firehose,  
so we filter it and just post the most interesting releases, along  
with why you should care.

You can subscribe to any or all of the feeds via RSS; see the links  
in our sidebar.

If you'd like to contribute to Perl Buzz, please email us at  
editors at perlbuzz.com, or see our How to contribute page.




--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From frag at ripco.com  Thu Aug 23 07:47:51 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 09:47:51 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free Music Night
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708230927390.2797@shell3>


There are 2 free concerts of interest tomorrow night downtown.

First, in Millenium Park at 6:30, there's The New Orleans Social Club:
   http://www.millenniumpark.org/parkevents/eventpopup.aspx?eventId=498 
It's a New Orleans supergroup, with Irma Thomas and Koko Taylor as guest 
stars, and Chicago's own DIY marching band Mucca Pazza.  (I think they 
may be opening; it's totally worth it just to see them.)

At the the same time, across the street from Millenium Park at the 
Chicago Cultural Center is a free concert of 8-bit computer game music:
   http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalContentItemAction.do?blockName=Cultural+Center%2fI+Want+To&deptMainCategoryOID=&channelId=0&programId=0&entityName=Cultural+Center&topChannelName=SubAgency&contentOID=536954533&Failed_Reason=Invalid+timestamp,+engine+has+been+restarted&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&Failed_Page=%2fwebportal%2fportalContentItemAction.do&context=dept
(Incidentally, does anyone know who's to blame for the 
egov.cityofchicago.org pages?) From the page: Brooklyn-based musician 
Mark DeNardo (of the Gamma Bros fame) will perform music on laptop, 
Gameboy and guitar, accompanied by fellow Gamma Bros visual artist 
Pixeljam.

Does anyone want to meet up at either of these?

-- Mike F.


From jon at jrock.us  Thu Aug 23 20:09:01 2007
From: jon at jrock.us (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:09:01 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free Music Night
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708230927390.2797@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708230927390.2797@shell3>
Message-ID: <46CE4BCD.5060202@jrock.us>

Mike Fragassi wrote:
> http://egov.cityofchicago.org/city/webportal/portalContentItemAction.do?blockName=Cultural+Center%2fI+Want+To&deptMainCategoryOID=&channelId=0&programId=0&entityName=Cultural+Center&topChannelName=SubAgency&contentOID=536954533&Failed_Reason=Invalid+timestamp,+engine+has+been+restarted&contenTypeName=COC_EDITORIAL&com.broadvision.session.new=Yes&Failed_Page=%2fwebportal%2fportalContentItemAction.do&context=dept
> (Incidentally, does anyone know who's to blame for the 
> egov.cityofchicago.org pages?) From the page: Brooklyn-based musician 
> Mark DeNardo (of the Gamma Bros fame) will perform music on laptop, 
> Gameboy and guitar, accompanied by fellow Gamma Bros visual artist 
> Pixeljam.

This sounds fun.  Anyone else interested?


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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Thu Aug 23 22:37:29 2007
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Thu, 23 Aug 2007 22:37:29 -0700
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free Music Night
In-Reply-To: <46CE4BCD.5060202@jrock.us>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708230927390.2797@shell3>
	<46CE4BCD.5060202@jrock.us>
Message-ID: <2715accf0708232237o733383d8gafe634c5460d241c@mail.gmail.com>

On 8/23/07, Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote:
> Mike Fragassi wrote:
> > Brooklyn-based musician
> > Mark DeNardo (of the Gamma Bros fame) will perform music on laptop,
> > Gameboy and guitar, accompanied by fellow Gamma Bros visual artist
> > Pixeljam.
>
> This sounds fun.  Anyone else interested?

I'm in, as long as my plane gets back to Chicago in time. Any mongers
up for drinks afterward?

-- 
brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com>
http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From frag at ripco.com  Fri Aug 24 08:27:54 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:27:54 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free Music Night
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0708232237o733383d8gafe634c5460d241c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708230927390.2797@shell3>
	<46CE4BCD.5060202@jrock.us>
	<2715accf0708232237o733383d8gafe634c5460d241c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708241024290.5221@shell3>



On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, brian d foy wrote:

> On 8/23/07, Jonathan Rockway <jon at jrock.us> wrote:
>> Mike Fragassi wrote:
>>> Brooklyn-based musician
>>> Mark DeNardo (of the Gamma Bros fame) will perform music on laptop,
>>> Gameboy and guitar, accompanied by fellow Gamma Bros visual artist
>>> Pixeljam.
>>
>> This sounds fun.  Anyone else interested?
>
> I'm in, as long as my plane gets back to Chicago in time. Any mongers
> up for drinks afterward?

Sure.  Anyone else?

-- Mike F.


From frag at ripco.com  Mon Aug 27 08:43:49 2007
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:43:49 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] meeting?
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708271043020.25013@shell3>


Is there a meeting this week?

-- Mike F.


From mongers at bsod.net  Mon Aug 27 09:01:09 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:01:09 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] meeting?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708271043020.25013@shell3>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708271043020.25013@shell3>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708271059320.9264@steward.bsod.net>

Subject: [Chicago-talk] meeting?
From: Mike Fragassi <frag at ripco.com>
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:43:49 -0500 (CDT)

}Is there a meeting this week?

Yes - Josh is presenting a tutorial on writing Perl::Critic policies.  
I'll re-send the meeting annoucement shortly.

There is no scheduled speaker as of yet for the 9/11 meeting at Wheaton.

Kent Cowgill is currently scheduled to give his testing talk again on 9/25 
downtown.

-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
    Chicago Perl Mongers
    mongers at bsod dot net

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Aug 27 09:05:45 2007
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:05:45 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] meeting?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708271059320.9264@steward.bsod.net>
References: <Pine.GSO.4.61.0708271043020.25013@shell3>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0708271059320.9264@steward.bsod.net>
Message-ID: <79D570EF-F429-40B4-98F0-B5C35FF8C2A5@petdance.com>


On Aug 27, 2007, at 11:01 AM, Pete Krawczyk wrote:

> There is no scheduled speaker as of yet for the 9/11 meeting at  
> Wheaton.

I think there will be.  Ping me before you send anything out.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From mongers at bsod.net  Mon Aug 27 10:37:47 2007
From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:37:47 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] REMINDER: August 28,
	2007: Writing Perl::Critic Policies
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0708271231450.9264@steward.bsod.net>

   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
                     Chicago Perl Mongers Meeting Announcement
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
       Topic: Writing Perl::Critic Policies
   Presenter: Josh McAdams
   Date/Time: Tuesday, August 28th, 2007, 7:00 PM
    Location: Performics, 12th Floor, 180 N. LaSalle, Chicago, IL
        RSVP: By noon on August 28th to "pkrawczyk" with "doubleclick.com"
   ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

Josh McAdams will present a tutorial on writing policies with 
Perl::Critic, Perl's source code critiquing tool.



As with all Chicago Perl Mongers meetings, everyone is welcome,
whether or not you consider yourself a member. We look forward to
seeing you there!

Questions about this meeting?  Ask on the chicago-talk at pm.org mailing
list, or send email to andy at petdance dot com.  You can also see a list
of past and upcoming meetings at http://chicago.pm.org/meetings/.

Upcoming meetings:
   Sept. 11 (Wheaton): "Lessons from the world of open source for those
     development shops who have yet to embrace it" / Andy Lester
   Sept. 25 (City): "Perl Unit and Functional Testing" / Kent Cowgill


-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
     Chicago Perl Mongers
     mongers at bsod dot net