From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Sun Apr 1 10:06:32 2007 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2007 12:06:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] April meetings: 101 things every Perl programmer should know In-Reply-To: <2B555B20-BBA5-41F6-A12F-305D168D3127@yarrish.com> References: <1175181776.1BEAc0.2039@rocket> <2400c865bfb5421ca89134d2086e9713@mac.com> <881F989F-EA78-461E-9290-B73F0920E7F6@yarrish.com> <2715accf0703292323v51e7263fl9b7528c00924ab96@mail.gmail.com> <2B555B20-BBA5-41F6-A12F-305D168D3127@yarrish.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70704011006n8b785f9jfe2fbe51306760d1@mail.gmail.com> > I'd offer to help out with the post production if anyone wants it. I might just take you up on that... it's a painfully long process though :) We can try to record the next session if Andy and Pete agree and see how it goes. From tom at yarrish.com Mon Apr 2 19:58:50 2007 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 21:58:50 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Items for Sale Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hey all, I have a couple of things that I want to sell off. So I figured I would throw it out to all of you before I put it up on eBay. HP Photosmart 7960 Tom's Hardware Review - http://tinyurl.com/2gpat2 Epson Perfection 1200U Scanner Epson Support Site - http://tinyurl.com/2yg2x Viewsonic P815 Monitor Old Game PC Review - http://tinyurl.com/ynk9n8 All three are in good working order, I just replaced the Viewsonic with a Flat Screen, and the Epson and HP got replaced with a newer All-in-one printer. All three work fine with any OS. The monitor also has one of those Eclipse lights attached to it, so you get that as well. I'm in the NW Suburbs (Mt. Prospect), so if you don't mind picking them up out here. Otherwise, I have to head down to the loop on Saturday morning, so I could probably drop off stuff on the way back to the 'burbs. Best offer wins! Thanks, Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGEcLxZWzkfeDiTw4RAlPOAJwOF+TD3rGZoaHDSqoBRakD9Kf8CgCfW2gA Y1Gk6hapD6jskcWYcl2Ywvk= =I+8A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andy at petdance.com Mon Apr 2 22:25:53 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:25:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [pm_groups] One week left for yapc-na talk proposals References: <7f7c2d5e0704021415t442755c1ya2b4dcf64ccec6ea@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <7C6441AF-C545-48FA-BA5B-A92AB81D6502@petdance.com> Begin forwarded message: > From: "Jeremy Fluhmann" > Date: April 2, 2007 4:15:57 PM CDT > To: pm_groups at pm.org, yapc at pm.org > Subject: [pm_groups] One week left for yapc-na talk proposals > > Only one week left to submit your talk proposal (must be logged in) > for YAPC::NA 2007! Deadline is midnight (CST) on April 9th. > Please login or create an account on the ACT-hosted YAPC::NA site > and submit your proposal before it's too late. If you'd like to > give a talk but are not quite sure what to present, look at the > wiki for talk suggestions. Or if you don't plan on giving a talk, > but would like to suggest one, then add it to the list of > suggestions. Again, last year attendees requested talks be tagged > with suggested experience level of attendee (beginner, > intermediate, advanced). Please include this in the comments > section of your talk if appropriate. See the official CFP posting. > > > -- > Request pm.org Technical Support via support at pm.org > > pm_groups mailing list > pm_groups at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/pm_groups -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From andy at petdance.com Mon Apr 2 22:42:36 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 00:42:36 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Items for Sale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <35500455-46B9-494E-8134-2860419DAEE8@petdance.com> On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Tom Yarrish wrote: > I have a couple of things that I want to sell off. So I figured I > would throw it out to all of you before I put it up on eBay. Please don't sell stuff here. If you were giving it away, I wouldn't mind. Flagging it as "OT" doesn't change this. Thanks, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From tom at yarrish.com Tue Apr 3 03:53:06 2007 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 05:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] OT: Items for Sale In-Reply-To: <35500455-46B9-494E-8134-2860419DAEE8@petdance.com> References: <35500455-46B9-494E-8134-2860419DAEE8@petdance.com> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 3, 2007, at 12:42 AM, Andy Lester wrote: > > On Apr 2, 2007, at 9:58 PM, Tom Yarrish wrote: > >> I have a couple of things that I want to sell off. So I figured I >> would throw it out to all of you before I put it up on eBay. > > Please don't sell stuff here. If you were giving it away, I wouldn't > mind. Flagging it as "OT" doesn't change this. > > Thanks, > Andy > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk Ok, my bad. Sorry Andy.... Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGEjIaZWzkfeDiTw4RAnCcAJ0eex4+FXx7Wl52zYTd3/UT/+E/5gCeLVv7 /PZVQdd48QSpC4Km+m3tCW8= =p1h0 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com Thu Apr 5 09:18:46 2007 From: fasteliteprogrammer at yahoo.com (Craig Petty) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:18:46 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied Message-ID: <875667.18248.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Does anyone know where i can take a perl exam and study for I try to get perl certified. ____________________________________________________________________________________ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ From andy at petdance.com Thu Apr 5 09:34:48 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 11:34:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied In-Reply-To: <875667.18248.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <875667.18248.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: > Does anyone know where i can take a perl exam and > study for > > I try to get perl certified. There are no standard Perl certifications. There's no equivalent to an MCSE, for example. Rather than looking for a Perl certification, I would spend the time working on getting my use of English up to par. Whether or not a Perl certification is valuable, it won't matter without proper mechanics in writing. If the quote above is an example of what you'd send to an employer in a cover letter or on a resume, you would be disqualified immediately. Perhaps a local community college has an "English for Business" class or something similar that you could take? Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From tom at yarrish.com Thu Apr 5 18:28:28 2007 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 20:28:28 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] April 24th Meeting Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Can I get my name added to the list of those attending the April 24th meeting? Thanks, Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGFaJEZWzkfeDiTw4RAk2kAJ49zJYj7KKM81A42n1qtvvC6CJeIwCeKlQN losKw0GWqzSnhR5oz2j6gk4= =SRXd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andy at petdance.com Thu Apr 5 19:05:21 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:05:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] April 24th Meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 8:28 PM, Tom Yarrish wrote: > Can I get my name added to the list of those attending the April 24th > meeting? Done. Everyone else can just add themselves to http://rakudo.org/ chicago-pm/index.cgi?101_things_every_perl_programmer_should_know -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From manchicken at notsosoft.net Thu Apr 5 20:28:51 2007 From: manchicken at notsosoft.net (Michael D. Stemle, Jr.) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:28:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied In-Reply-To: References: <875667.18248.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <200704052228.57029.manchicken@notsosoft.net> On Thursday 05 April 2007 11:34:48 Andy Lester wrote: > > Does anyone know where i can take a perl exam and > > study for > > > > I try to get perl certified. > > There are no standard Perl certifications. There's no equivalent to > an MCSE, for example. > > Rather than looking for a Perl certification, I would spend the time > working on getting my use of English up to par. Whether or not a > Perl certification is valuable, it won't matter without proper > mechanics in writing. If the quote above is an example of what you'd > send to an employer in a cover letter or on a resume, you would be > disqualified immediately. > > Perhaps a local community college has an "English for Business" class > or something similar that you could take? > > Andy > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk For $300 I'll give you a post-it note with a hand-drawn certification. Will that do? -- ~ Michael D. Stemle, Jr. <>< (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer The number of the beast - vi vi vi -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jason at hostedlabs.com Thu Apr 5 21:09:45 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:09:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied In-Reply-To: <8da89532c4dc67ca90ca8f01769261c2@mac.com> References: <875667.18248.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8da89532c4dc67ca90ca8f01769261c2@mac.com> Message-ID: <4615C809.9030305@hostedlabs.com> damn.. someone beat me to that punch line.. ;-) On the serious side, regarding perl certification, why are you looking for a certification? What are your goals? I would agree that, although it sounds harsh and borderline prejudiced, good communication skills (i.e. written English here in the US) will help in finding a job, more than certifications. If, however, you are looking to get a job based solely on your technical talent then I would ask yourself "who hires Perl hackers, based solely on technical merit?". The answer will drive you in a better direction than where to get a piece of paper. My gut reply would be find an open source project, contribute heavily, and use that as example of your technical achievements. The people who hire Perl hackers for talent are usually smart enough to know that certifications are worthless. zrusilla at mac.com wrote: > Most of us are certifiable, but not certified. > > On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:18 AM, Craig Petty wrote: > >> Does anyone know where i can take a perl exam and >> study for >> >> I try to get perl certified. > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From zrusilla at mac.com Thu Apr 5 21:19:01 2007 From: zrusilla at mac.com (zrusilla at mac.com) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:19:01 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Certifiably Perl In-Reply-To: <4615C809.9030305@hostedlabs.com> References: <875667.18248.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8da89532c4dc67ca90ca8f01769261c2@mac.com> <4615C809.9030305@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 9:09 PM, Jason Rexilius wrote: > > My gut reply would be find an open source project, contribute heavily, > and use that as example of your technical achievements. Or show up to your local Perl mongers meetings and find ways to make yourself useful. Head down to YAPC in June, attend a few talks, meet a few folks, and learn a few things. The current Perl 5 pumpking wound up with his exalted position by doing a little job here and a little job there. He described it as going out on a beer run and winding up President of the United States. Such is the Perl community. From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com Fri Apr 6 06:26:45 2007 From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 06:26:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied Message-ID: <960250.48952.qm@web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I hate certifications! Is there any real difference between Michael's hand-drawn certifications and Bill's printed ones? Michael?s handicraft may be worth more than $30,000 after ... Any way, here is my suggestion: 1. Take Brainbench test or something like it, as some employers ask for the score of this test; 2. Write your resume and cover letter in Perl (self-certificated). BTW: Could anyone suggest some English classes around Evanston area? > For $300 I'll give you a post-it note with a hand-drawn certification. Will > that do? > >-- >~ Michael D. Stemle, Jr. <>< >(A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nfluence with large hammer >The number of the beast - vi vi vi _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From ed at questinformation.com Fri Apr 6 06:33:08 2007 From: ed at questinformation.com (Ed Pigg) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 08:33:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Certifiably Perl In-Reply-To: References: <875667.18248.qm@web36512.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <8da89532c4dc67ca90ca8f01769261c2@mac.com> <4615C809.9030305@hostedlabs.com> Message-ID: On Apr 5, 2007, at 11:19 PM, zrusilla at mac.com wrote: > He described it as going out > on a beer run and winding up President of the United States. Wow! Life imitates life! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Edgar Pigg Quest Information Systems 847 234-1345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From zrusilla at mac.com Mon Apr 9 00:35:59 2007 From: zrusilla at mac.com (zrusilla at mac.com) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 00:35:59 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied In-Reply-To: <960250.48952.qm@web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <960250.48952.qm@web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <82A2AA2C-073E-4604-9787-0FCCA23F0557@mac.com> > > > 1. Take Brainbench test or something like it, as some employers ask > for the > score of this test; Brush up on your Perl formats. I was heavily tested on a feature of Perl I'd scarcely heard of, much less used. From andy at petdance.com Mon Apr 9 06:32:04 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:32:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied In-Reply-To: <82A2AA2C-073E-4604-9787-0FCCA23F0557@mac.com> References: <960250.48952.qm@web58711.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <82A2AA2C-073E-4604-9787-0FCCA23F0557@mac.com> Message-ID: <0484CDBF-EA43-4853-AB4C-4EEA137E093A@petdance.com> On Apr 9, 2007, at 2:35 AM, zrusilla at mac.com wrote: >> 1. Take Brainbench test or something like it, as some employers ask >> for the >> score of this test; > > Brush up on your Perl formats. I was heavily tested on a feature of > Perl I'd scarcely heard of, much less used. Which is yet more evidence that certifications are crap. Nobody uses formats any more. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 06:51:51 2007 From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 06:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied Message-ID: <390058.53579.qm@web58713.mail.re1.yahoo.com> ----- Original Message ---- From: "zrusilla at mac.com" To: Chicago.pm chatter Sent: Monday, April 9, 2007 2:35:59 AM Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Perl Certiied >> >> > >1. Take Brainbench test or something like it, as some employers ask >> for the >> score of this test; >Brush up on your Perl formats. I was heavily tested on a feature of >Perl I'd scarcely heard of, much less used. You are right, but it is a useful screen tool to the employers. I took a couple of tests like this on different topics (paid by those who want the score.) Don't mention the scarcely used feature, even for the daily used features, such as the first parameter, data source, of DBI connect function, I cannot write correct on the whiteboard. It is either copied/pasted all the time or wrapped in a module. If you are an expert on those areas, you should be able to get a high score by spending some time to refresh/polish the knowledge by skipping through the references you are used/using all the time. For Perl test (and interview), I will flip the pages of ?Effective Perl Programming?, ?Learning Perl?, the first couple of chapters of ?Object Oriented Perl?. If I still feel that there are some spots should be polished, I will check the topic in ?Programming Perl? and or run perldoc command. Unfortunately, it is not easy to polish the advanced topics unless you know what the interviewer will ask (you may find the clues from the job/project description.) _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From frag at ripco.com Mon Apr 9 11:51:41 2007 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 13:51:41 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Seeking comments re: possible YAPC talk Message-ID: For anyone who saw my Perl Logging Practices talk, way back in August, and who has an opinion on it: I'm trying to decide whether I should submit it as a possible presentation for YAPC '07. Assuming that it's YAPC-Worthy in the first place (as an introductory-level talk, to be sure), the original talk was 30 minutes, but YAPC slots are 20 minutes and 50 minutes. Should I give it room, or hone it down? Or not bother in the first place? -- Mike F. From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com Mon Apr 9 12:04:46 2007 From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:04:46 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Seeking comments re: possible YAPC talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <43e95380704091204j5e61dc1ch7cd391ab29419e4e@mail.gmail.com> GO for it ..ask for 50 mins On 4/9/07, Mike Fragassi wrote: > > > For anyone who saw my Perl Logging Practices talk, way back in August, > and who has an opinion on it: I'm trying to decide whether I should > submit it as a possible presentation for YAPC '07. Assuming that it's > YAPC-Worthy in the first place (as an introductory-level talk, to be > sure), the original talk was 30 minutes, but YAPC slots are 20 > minutes and 50 minutes. Should I give it room, or hone it down? > Or not bother in the first place? > > -- Mike F. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20070409/9e15bf4f/attachment.html From kent at c2group.net Mon Apr 9 12:06:59 2007 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Seeking comments re: possible YAPC talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure, submit it. I'd probably flesh some of it out a bit and leave some room for some questions. -Kent Cowgill C2 Group, Inc. kent at c2group.net http://www.c2group.net 312.804.0160 On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote: > > For anyone who saw my Perl Logging Practices talk, way back in August, > and who has an opinion on it: I'm trying to decide whether I should > submit it as a possible presentation for YAPC '07. Assuming that it's > YAPC-Worthy in the first place (as an introductory-level talk, to be > sure), the original talk was 30 minutes, but YAPC slots are 20 > minutes and 50 minutes. Should I give it room, or hone it down? > Or not bother in the first place? > > -- Mike F. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From kent at c2group.net Mon Apr 9 12:06:59 2007 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2007 14:06:59 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Seeking comments re: possible YAPC talk In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Sure, submit it. I'd probably flesh some of it out a bit and leave some room for some questions. -Kent Cowgill C2 Group, Inc. kent at c2group.net http://www.c2group.net 312.804.0160 On Apr 9, 2007, at 1:51 PM, Mike Fragassi wrote: > > For anyone who saw my Perl Logging Practices talk, way back in August, > and who has an opinion on it: I'm trying to decide whether I should > submit it as a possible presentation for YAPC '07. Assuming that it's > YAPC-Worthy in the first place (as an introductory-level talk, to be > sure), the original talk was 30 minutes, but YAPC slots are 20 > minutes and 50 minutes. Should I give it room, or hone it down? > Or not bother in the first place? > > -- Mike F. > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 07:25:54 2007 From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:25:54 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Dinner Downtown - April 16th Message-ID: <43e95380704110725j175f7ffdr7d438842b44ff127@mail.gmail.com> April 16th 6:00pm Grand Lux Cafe 600 N. Michigan Ave. (enter on Ontario Street) http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/dining/43176,0,163473.venue They probably won't seat us until we all get there, so please let me know (email me, not the list!) if you are coming and about what time you think you'll be there! -- http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20070411/013d28a4/attachment.html From hwigoda at mindspring.com Wed Apr 11 07:34:17 2007 From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 09:34:17 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Dinner Downtown - April 16th In-Reply-To: <43e95380704110725j175f7ffdr7d438842b44ff127@mail.gmail.com> References: <43e95380704110725j175f7ffdr7d438842b44ff127@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <43213740-3351-4EB3-AB1D-8EC216468E9B@mindspring.com> what's the purpose of the dinner? On Apr 11, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Nola Stowe wrote: > April 16th > 6:00pm > > Grand Lux Cafe > 600 N. Michigan Ave. > (enter on Ontario Street) > http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/dining/43176,0,163473.venue > > They probably won't seat us until we all get there, so please let > me know (email me, not the list!) if you are coming and about what > time you think you'll be there! > > > -- > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20070411/03efcf91/attachment.html From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com Wed Apr 11 08:02:16 2007 From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 10:02:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Dinner Downtown - April 16th In-Reply-To: <43213740-3351-4EB3-AB1D-8EC216468E9B@mindspring.com> References: <43e95380704110725j175f7ffdr7d438842b44ff127@mail.gmail.com> <43213740-3351-4EB3-AB1D-8EC216468E9B@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <43e95380704110802l6c5acfd2u2dd041561b13c646@mail.gmail.com> EAT :) oh yeah, and socialize On 4/11/07, Hal Wigoda wrote: > > what's the purpose of the dinner? > On Apr 11, 2007, at 9:25 AM, Nola Stowe wrote: > > April 16th > 6:00pm > > Grand Lux Cafe > 600 N. Michigan Ave. > (enter on Ontario Street) > http://metromix.chicagotribune.com/dining/43176,0,163473.venue > > They probably won't seat us until we all get there, so please let me know > (email me, not the list!) if you are coming and about what time you think > you'll be there! > > > -- > http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl > http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- http://rubygeek.com - my blog featuring: Ruby, PHP and Perl http://DevChix.com - boys can't have all the fun -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20070411/00f34274/attachment.html From zrusilla at mac.com Wed Apr 11 08:18:46 2007 From: zrusilla at mac.com (zrusilla at mac.com) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2007 08:18:46 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perl Dinner Downtown - April 16th In-Reply-To: <43e95380704110802l6c5acfd2u2dd041561b13c646@mail.gmail.com> References: <43e95380704110725j175f7ffdr7d438842b44ff127@mail.gmail.com> <43213740-3351-4EB3-AB1D-8EC216468E9B@mindspring.com> <43e95380704110802l6c5acfd2u2dd041561b13c646@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <0881A744-6DE5-43FC-8B2C-E57F08A2B0A0@mac.com> On Apr 11, 2007, at 8:02 AM, Nola Stowe wrote: > EAT :) > > oh yeah, and socialize And plan world domination. > > > On 4/11/07, Hal Wigoda wrote: > what's the purpose of the dinner? > > From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 11:06:34 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:06:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: [Chicago] Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP not necessary Message-ID: <3096c19d0704121106g462436bar4296e1b35a7b835a@mail.gmail.com> Sorry for the last minute notice folks, but I wanted to let you know that ChiPy, the Chicago Python Users Group, is meeting tonight at Google downtown. RSVP's are not necessary this late in the game. Again, sorry about the late notice. Chris On 4/10/07, Chris McAvoy wrote: > Chicago Python User Group > ========================= > Location > -------- > > Google's Chicago office > 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor > Chicago, IL 60610 Also, we'll have food (not pizza this time tho). It won't be a dinner, but something hot and hors d'ouvre-y. -Fitz _______________________________________________ Chicago mailing list Chicago at python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago From chris.mcavoy at gmail.com Thu Apr 12 11:08:20 2007 From: chris.mcavoy at gmail.com (Chris McAvoy) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 13:08:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP not needed Message-ID: <3096c19d0704121108q5ad9a034u679dc0f4ad9ded04@mail.gmail.com> I'm totally awesome today. I just forwarded everyone the wrong email. Attached is all the info you'll need to get where you'll need to go. Chris ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Chris McAvoy Date: Apr 10, 2007 6:50 AM Subject: Chipy this Thursday, April 12th 7pm RSVP encouraged To: The Chicago Python Users Group Chicago Python User Group ========================= Come join us for our best meeting ever! Please send an RSVP to chris.mcavoy at gmail.com with the subject "RSVP Chipy." Distribute this email as you see fit. Topics ------ * PyPy (Atul Varma) * Boo (Feihong Hsu) * Fellowship (You) Location -------- Google's Chicago office 20 West Kinzie Street, 9th Floor Chicago, IL 60610 Location description: "18 story glass and steel building on the Northeast corner of Dearborn and Kinzie." "Across the street from Harry Carey's" "Upstairs from Keefer's restaurant" * Map Enter via the lobby on the South side of the building, between Keefer's restaurant and Keefer's cafe. Street (meter) parking is kinda sorta available in the area. Garage and lot parking is also available Southwest and East of our building. 1. The closest "L" stop is Grand on the Red Line and Clark/Lake on the "Blue/Green/Orange/Brown/Purple Line". (All are about an 8 minute walk from Google) 2. The closest Metra station is the Ogilvie Transportation Center (in the Citibank building) (about 20 minutes walk or take the Riverbus) 3. The closest River Bus stop is at Michigan Avenue (By the Wrigley Building at 2 North Riverside Plaza. () ;-) 4. The nearest helipad is at the mouth of the river, near Navy Pier. Obtain security clearance before landing. About ChiPy ----------- ChiPy is a group of Chicago Python Programmers, l33t, and n00bs. Meetings are held monthly at various locations around Chicago. Also, ChiPy is a proud sponsor of many Open Source and Educational efforts in Chicago. Stay tuned to the mailing list for more info. ChiPy website: ChiPy Mailing List: Python website: From andy at petdance.com Thu Apr 12 20:23:42 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:23:42 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] May, June, July meeting topics Message-ID: We need speakers & topics for upcoming meetings. Now, I know that some of you out there have submitted talks to OSCON and YAPC, so you must have stuff to talk about, right? And maybe even need to practice? If you have something to talk about, but don't want to talk for two hours, we can work with that, too. Heck, maybe you only have a half hour topic. That's fine, too. c'mon, speak up! Some time before August at OSCON I'm going to talk about technical debt, but I don't want to just keep talking at every meeting. xoxo, Andy -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From hwigoda at mindspring.com Thu Apr 12 20:29:55 2007 From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:29:55 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] May, June, July meeting topics In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5FF03865-6894-4A67-8159-B38A6627296E@mindspring.com> we like to hear you talk. On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:23 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > We need speakers & topics for upcoming meetings. > > Now, I know that some of you out there have submitted talks to OSCON > and YAPC, so you must have stuff to talk about, right? And maybe > even need to practice? > > If you have something to talk about, but don't want to talk for two > hours, we can work with that, too. Heck, maybe you only have a half > hour topic. That's fine, too. > > c'mon, speak up! > > Some time before August at OSCON I'm going to talk about technical > debt, but I don't want to just keep talking at every meeting. > > xoxo, > Andy > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From andy at petdance.com Thu Apr 12 20:31:39 2007 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 22:31:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] May, June, July meeting topics In-Reply-To: <5FF03865-6894-4A67-8159-B38A6627296E@mindspring.com> References: <5FF03865-6894-4A67-8159-B38A6627296E@mindspring.com> Message-ID: <9775256A-F8EA-4BE6-A592-77A5165376F7@petdance.com> On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote: > we like to hear you talk. Thanks, but it gets boring after a while. Go on, ask my wife. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From hwigoda at mindspring.com Thu Apr 12 21:00:21 2007 From: hwigoda at mindspring.com (Hal Wigoda) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2007 23:00:21 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] May, June, July meeting topics In-Reply-To: <9775256A-F8EA-4BE6-A592-77A5165376F7@petdance.com> References: <5FF03865-6894-4A67-8159-B38A6627296E@mindspring.com> <9775256A-F8EA-4BE6-A592-77A5165376F7@petdance.com> Message-ID: she told me to say that cause it gets you outta the house. :-) On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:31 PM, Andy Lester wrote: > > On Apr 12, 2007, at 10:29 PM, Hal Wigoda wrote: > >> we like to hear you talk. > > Thanks, but it gets boring after a while. > > Go on, ask my wife. > > -- > Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From ed at questinformation.com Fri Apr 20 08:56:24 2007 From: ed at questinformation.com (Ed Pigg) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 10:56:24 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help CPAN on FreeBSD Perl 5.8.8 Message-ID: <12F736F0-27CA-4674-B6D9-0339181DB9ED@questinformation.com> Hi all, I've got a FreeBSD server that I've been using for the past year for development purposes. FreeBSD 6.0 release It started with Perl 5.8.7 and I've operated for a year and a half with no problems. I use CPAN for updating the modules rather than the ports collection. Last week I needed to upgrade some other packages on the server and Perl 5.8.8 was installed in the process. I have updated the package db and ran the perl-after-upgrade program as documented. Now CPAN (1.90) is throwing errors and I'm having a hard time trying to figure out how to remedy them. Here's a typical error message from an install command cpan[2]> install CPAN Running install for module 'CPAN' Running make for A/AN/ANDK/CPAN-1.91.tar.gz CPAN: Digest::SHA loaded ok (v5.44) Catching error: 'Can't locate object method "prefs_lookup" via package "CPAN::HandleConfig" at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/CPAN.pm line 6564. ' at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/CPAN.pm line 274 CPAN::shell() called at -e line 1 I've looked at CPAN::HandleConfig and there is no "prefs_lookup" sub in the module. I thought that I'd reinstall CPAN from the ports collection, but it doesn't appear to be there. Just CPANPLUS. Should I fetch CPAN from CPAN and install manually? Is this a change from 5.8.7 to 5.8.8? Thx ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Edgar Pigg ed at questinformation.com Quest Information Systems 847 234-1345 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From frag at ripco.com Fri Apr 20 12:57:45 2007 From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:57:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Help CPAN on FreeBSD Perl 5.8.8 In-Reply-To: <12F736F0-27CA-4674-B6D9-0339181DB9ED@questinformation.com> References: <12F736F0-27CA-4674-B6D9-0339181DB9ED@questinformation.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2007, Ed Pigg wrote: > Now CPAN (1.90) is throwing errors and I'm having a hard time trying > to figure out how to remedy them. > > Here's a typical error message from an install command > > cpan[2]> install CPAN > Running install for module 'CPAN' > Running make for A/AN/ANDK/CPAN-1.91.tar.gz > CPAN: Digest::SHA loaded ok (v5.44) > Catching error: 'Can't locate object method "prefs_lookup" via > package "CPAN::HandleConfig" at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/CPAN.pm > line 6564. > ' at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.8/CPAN.pm line 274 > CPAN::shell() called at -e line 1 > > > I've looked at CPAN::HandleConfig and there is no "prefs_lookup" sub > in the module. In CPAN 1.90, there should be one. See: http://search.cpan.org/src/ANDK/CPAN-1.90/lib/CPAN/HandleConfig.pm It's the last sub in the file. > I thought that I'd reinstall CPAN from the ports > collection, but it doesn't appear to be there. Just CPANPLUS. Should > I fetch CPAN from CPAN and install manually? Is this a change from > 5.8.7 to 5.8.8? I don't see why installing manually would be a problem, unless you've got special values for makepl_arg etc. in your CPAN Config.pm/MyConfig.pm. I'd check to confirm that your current version of CPAN is installed correctly and completely. Ditto for your new version of Perl. -- Mike F. From jason at hostedlabs.com Mon Apr 23 11:10:47 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 13:10:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] BARcamp - Chicago 2007 Message-ID: <462CF6A7.4020000@hostedlabs.com> Hi Everyone! BARcamp - Chicago 2007 is in the planning stages now, shooting for June, and I wanted to reach out to everyone and give an update and ask for help. Last years BARcamp was a big success, thanks to most of you on the list here and all the people that showed up and contributed. I have been getting pings from lots of people over the last few months about the next one and based on community feedback I am expecting it to be at least twice the size of last years. I picked up a few ideas from attending Yahoo's HackDay and a few other events. Also, I believe Chicago's Web2.0 Beta Meetup for the month of June will happen at BARcamp. Other user groups are welcome to hold meetings there (just not all at the same time) to get broader community involvement. It may be a good place to have a beginners intro to your language as part of the meeting. Where we are at: ---------------- The search for the venue is on! This is the biggest hurdle. Last year the community came through in a big way for everything else but we have to have a place to make it happen. What We Need: ------------- A VENUE! 1) 5000+ sq/ft (last year was 2600ish I think?).. 2) 72 full hours access, Friday evening to Monday morning (last year I finished cleaning up at 06:30am Monday morning) 3) A shower would be great. AC is a must. NOTE: June should be cooler than last year ;-) 4) No serious noise constraints (last year was quiet enough but still would have disturbed sleeping neighbors) 5) Close-ish to downtown Chicago or L stop. 6) Internet access.. somehow.. What We Have: ------------- 1) Insurance 2) A reasonable budget to pay for the facility for the weekend 3) Equipment, sundries, volunteers and enthusiasm ;-) What Can You Do: ---------------- Help in any form is welcome. 1) Help find a venue, send me names, phone numbers, addresses.. anything you can think of to help find a space. 2) Blog, post, link, forward the email, spread the word. The wiki isn't live yet, but will be coming on-line shortly: http://barcampchicago.com/ 3) Sponsorship - just like last year, not asking for a lot, no set fees, no admission to attend so its all volunteer and sponsor driven. 4) Give a talk - we had some great presentations last year. This year we may have a start-up competition and some more organized hack-jams/code-sprints. 5) Show up!.. everyone is welcome if you are interested in technology and the community here in Chicago. Well, thats it for now. Feel free to email me or give me a call if you have any ideas, suggestions or questions! -jason jason at hostedlabs.com 847.208.1000 From mongers at bsod.net Tue Apr 24 06:50:34 2007 From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 08:50:34 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] April meetings: 101 things every Perl programmer should know Message-ID: This is a reminder email for tonight's presentation. If you are coming, but have not RSVP'd, you must do so by noon to the address below. (If you RSVP'd on the wiki, you're fine.) -Pete K ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Subject: [Chicago-talk] April meetings: 101 things every Perl programmer should know From: andy at petdance.com To: chicago-talk at pm.org, chicago-announce at pm.org Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:22:56 -0500 http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi?101_things_every_perl_programmer_should_know [Andy Lester] and [Pete Krawczyk] present a fun-filled night of fascinating features and facts that you may not know about Perl, CPAN and the Perl community, but definitely should. The evening is aimed at beginners and intermediate Perl programmers, but experts may just learn a thing or two as well. Our goal is to blow your mind at least once before the night is through. You'll have two opportunities to hear it: * April 10th, 2007, 7pm at [Illinois Institute of Technology, Rice Campus] in Wheaton -- No RSVP required * April 24th, 2007, 7pm at [Performics] in the city -- RSVP required by noon to the email address "pkrawczyk" at the site "performics.com". As with all Chicago Perl Mongers meetings, everyone is welcome, whether or not you consider yourself a member. We look forward to seeing you there! From tom at yarrish.com Tue Apr 24 07:57:58 2007 From: tom at yarrish.com (Tom Yarrish) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:57:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] April meetings: 101 things every Perl programmer should know In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 24, 2007, at 8:50 AM, Pete Krawczyk wrote: > This is a reminder email for tonight's presentation. > > If you are coming, but have not RSVP'd, you must do so by noon to the > address below. (If you RSVP'd on the wiki, you're fine.) > > -Pete K > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Subject: [Chicago-talk] April meetings: 101 things every Perl > programmer should > know > From: andy at petdance.com > To: chicago-talk at pm.org, chicago-announce at pm.org > Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2007 10:22:56 -0500 > > http://rakudo.org/chicago-pm/index.cgi? > 101_things_every_perl_programmer_should_know > > [Andy Lester] and [Pete Krawczyk] present a fun-filled night of > fascinating features and facts that you may not know about Perl, CPAN > and the Perl community, but definitely should. The evening is aimed at > beginners and intermediate Perl programmers, but experts may just > learn > a thing or two as well. Our goal is to blow your mind at least once > before the night is through. > > You'll have two opportunities to hear it: > > * April 10th, 2007, 7pm at [Illinois Institute of Technology, Rice > Campus] in Wheaton -- No RSVP required > * April 24th, 2007, 7pm at [Performics] in the city -- RSVP > required by > noon to the email address "pkrawczyk" at the site "performics.com". > > As with all Chicago Perl Mongers meetings, everyone is welcome, > whether or not you consider yourself a member. We look forward to > seeing you there! > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk Because I've never been to Performics before, I need to ask. What's the parking situation in that area? Thanks and see you tonight! Tom -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGLhr9ZWzkfeDiTw4RAjiyAJ9SdaveJVQc+Vd20rji1nwhktVAzACffwfR SATCpoDhb6OVDO1PTYMcIAE= =MiD5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From mongers at bsod.net Tue Apr 24 08:01:49 2007 From: mongers at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 10:01:49 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] April meetings: 101 things every Perl programmer should know In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] April meetings: 101 things every Perl programmer should know From: Tom Yarrish Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2007 09:57:58 -0500 }Because I've never been to Performics before, I need to ask. What's }the parking situation in that area? You may be able to find street parking on Lake after 6 PM, or there's three parking garages within two blocks of the location. I'm not sure on rates, since I take the train. -Pete K -- Pete Krawczyk Chicago Perl Mongers mongers at bsod dot net From jason at hostedlabs.com Fri Apr 27 10:03:25 2007 From: jason at hostedlabs.com (Jason Rexilius) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:03:25 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] BARcamp Chicago - 2007 Update Message-ID: <46322CDD.6070009@hostedlabs.com> Hi Everyone! It looks like we have a venue selected for this years BARcamp! Working out last details but its in the Wicker Park neighborhood and should be quite roomy. Also has a shower.. The wiki is live and people can sign up now. http://www.barcampchicago.com/ Last years has been archived off to http://2006.barcampchicago.com/ --------------------- Just in case some of you are new to this BARcamp thing, it is a 60 hour tech conference/hack jam/demo fest etc. It started in SF and has spread around the world. Last year Chicago had its first BARcamp. Now its time for the next! ---------------------- Now we are looking for sponsors, presentation ideas, demo's, code sprints and people to volunteer to bring stuff. !! A small group is meeting tonight at the Clybourn Goose Island to hack through some planning. Anyone who has time and is interested in helping out is welcome to come by. The website will have more details and please let me know if you can help out! Looking forward to another rockin' year in the Chicago tech community and hope to see you all there! -jason