From rjf at russfoster.com Mon May 1 08:58:37 2006 From: rjf at russfoster.com (Russ Foster) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:58:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perlmongers Lunch downtown on Tuesday, May 2nd In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is there an agenda for this lunch? Are newbie Chicago Perlmongers welcomed? Thanks. -r Russell J. Foster IT Director NW Nasal and Sinus rfoster at nwnasalsinus.com 312.266.6673 rjf at russfoster.com 630.885.0147 phone 815.550.1376 fax On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Stowe, Nola wrote: > > Lets try this again! > > 2 N LaSalle at Caf? Baci. > It has sandwiches, pasta, pizza among other things. Very good. > > Since it gets a little crowded there around noon, I'd say lets shoot > for meeting at 11:30 unless most people can't get away till Noon. > > If not many can make it, we can try another day. > > We try for the East corner tables, bunch of geeks shouldn't be too hard to > recognized. > > > Nola J. Stowe > Systems Programmer > Thornton Tomasetti > 14 E. Jackson Boulevard, Suite 1100 > Chicago, IL 60604 > T 312.596.2000 F 312.596.2001 > D 312.596.2248 > NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com > From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com Mon May 1 08:56:20 2006 From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola) Date: Mon, 1 May 2006 10:56:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Perlmongers Lunch downtown on Tuesday, May 2nd Message-ID: No agenda, just socializing! All are welcome :) === Tuesday, May 2nd 11:30pm 2 N LaSalle at Caf? Baci. === -----Original Message----- From: Russ Foster [mailto:rjf at russfoster.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:59 AM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Perlmongers Lunch downtown on Tuesday, May 2nd Is there an agenda for this lunch? Are newbie Chicago Perlmongers welcomed? Thanks. -r Russell J. Foster IT Director NW Nasal and Sinus rfoster at nwnasalsinus.com 312.266.6673 rjf at russfoster.com 630.885.0147 phone 815.550.1376 fax On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Stowe, Nola wrote: > > Lets try this again! > > 2 N LaSalle at Caf? Baci. > It has sandwiches, pasta, pizza among other things. Very good. > > Since it gets a little crowded there around noon, I'd say lets shoot > for meeting at 11:30 unless most people can't get away till Noon. > > If not many can make it, we can try another day. > > We try for the East corner tables, bunch of geeks shouldn't be too > hard to recognized. > > > Nola J. Stowe > Systems Programmer > Thornton Tomasetti > 14 E. Jackson Boulevard, Suite 1100 > Chicago, IL 60604 > T 312.596.2000 F 312.596.2001 > D 312.596.2248 > NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com > _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> The information in this email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s). This message or any part thereof must not be disclosed, copied, distributed or retained by any person without authorization from the addressee. 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Baci. === -----Original Message----- From: Russ Foster [mailto:rjf at russfoster.com] Sent: Monday, May 01, 2006 10:59 AM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Perlmongers Lunch downtown on Tuesday, May 2nd Is there an agenda for this lunch? Are newbie Chicago Perlmongers welcomed? Thanks. -r Russell J. Foster IT Director NW Nasal and Sinus rfoster at nwnasalsinus.com 312.266.6673 rjf at russfoster.com 630.885.0147 phone 815.550.1376 fax On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Stowe, Nola wrote: > > Lets try this again! > > 2 N LaSalle at Caf? Baci. > It has sandwiches, pasta, pizza among other things. Very good. > > Since it gets a little crowded there around noon, I'd say lets shoot > for meeting at 11:30 unless most people can't get away till Noon. > > If not many can make it, we can try another day. > > We try for the East corner tables, bunch of geeks shouldn't be too > hard to recognized. > > > Nola J. Stowe > Systems Programmer > Thornton Tomasetti > 14 E. 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If you are not the intended addressee, please notify the sender immediately, and delete this message. <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> From me at heyjay.com Tue May 2 08:18:45 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:18:45 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box Message-ID: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> Hi, I need to install a non-threaded version of Perl in addition to the distro provided threaded version (Debian Sarge). I've read the INSTALL that comes with my Perl source (5.8.4). And it seems like I can make it so that the non-threaded can use all the pure Perl modules already installed. So I did sh Configure -Dprefix=/opt/perl -des make && make test I've been holding off the "install" to make sure I don't F'up my box below are the things I think one would need to know about the current distro install. Questions: 1) does everything look like it will work fine? 2) after install with my new Perl be able to find the existing pure Perl modules, by default? Or will I always need to alter my PERL5LIB or @INC to find the installed modules? thanks Jay platinum:/usr/bin# which perl /usr/bin/perl platinum:/usr/bin# perl -V Summary of my perl5 (revision 5 version 8 subversion 4) configuration: Platform: osname=linux, osvers=2.6.15, archname=i386-linux-thread-multi uname='linux ninsei 2.6.15 #1 smp preempt sat jan 7 12:47:52 pst 2006 i686 gnulinux ' config_args='-Dusethreads -Duselargefiles -Dccflags=-DDEBIAN -Dcccdlflags=-fPIC -Darchname=i386-linux -Dprefix=/usr -Dprivlib=/usr/share/perl/5.8 -Darchlib=/usr/lib/perl/5.8 -Dvendorprefix=/usr -Dvendorlib=/usr/share/perl5 -Dvendorarch=/usr/lib/perl5 -Dsiteprefix=/usr/local -Dsitelib=/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 -Dsitearch=/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 -Dman1dir=/usr/share/man/man1 -Dman3dir=/usr/share/man/man3 -Dsiteman1dir=/usr/local/man/man1 -Dsiteman3dir=/usr/local/man/man3 -Dman1ext=1 -Dman3ext=3perl -Dpager=/usr/bin/sensible-pager -Uafs -Ud_csh -Uusesfio -Uusenm -Duseshrplib -Dlibperl=libperl.so.5.8.4 -Dd_dosuid -des' hint=recommended, useposix=true, d_sigaction=define usethreads=define use5005threads=undef useithreads=define usemultiplicity=define useperlio=define d_sfio=undef uselargefiles=define usesocks=undef use64bitint=undef use64bitall=undef uselongdouble=undef usemymalloc=n, bincompat5005=undef Compiler: cc='cc', ccflags ='-D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -DDEBIAN -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -D_LARGEFILE_SOURCE -D_FILE_OFFSET_BITS=64', optimize='-O2', cppflags='-D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -DTHREADS_HAVE_PIDS -DDEBIAN -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include' ccversion='', gccversion='3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)', gccosandvers='' intsize=4, longsize=4, ptrsize=4, doublesize=8, byteorder=1234 d_longlong=define, longlongsize=8, d_longdbl=define, longdblsize=12 ivtype='long', ivsize=4, nvtype='double', nvsize=8, Off_t='off_t', lseeksize=8 alignbytes=4, prototype=define Linker and Libraries: ld='cc', ldflags =' -L/usr/local/lib' libpth=/usr/local/lib /lib /usr/lib libs=-lgdbm -lgdbm_compat -ldb -ldl -lm -lpthread -lc -lcrypt perllibs=-ldl -lm -lpthread -lc -lcrypt libc=/lib/libc-2.3.2.so, so=so, useshrplib=true, libperl=libperl.so.5.8.4 gnulibc_version='2.3.2' Dynamic Linking: dlsrc=dl_dlopen.xs, dlext=so, d_dlsymun=undef, ccdlflags='-Wl,-E' cccdlflags='-fPIC', lddlflags='-shared -L/usr/local/lib' Characteristics of this binary (from libperl): Compile-time options: MULTIPLICITY USE_ITHREADS USE_LARGE_FILES PERL_IMPLICIT_CONTEXT Built under linux Compiled at Jan 12 2006 14:54:46 @INC: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl . platinum:/usr/bin# perl -V:config_args | perl -a -F/\\s+/ -ne 'print join("\n", @F), "\n"' config_args='-Dusethreads -Duselargefiles -Dccflags=-DDEBIAN -Dcccdlflags=-fPIC -Darchname=i386-linux -Dprefix=/usr -Dprivlib=/usr/share/perl/5.8 -Darchlib=/usr/lib/perl/5.8 -Dvendorprefix=/usr -Dvendorlib=/usr/share/perl5 -Dvendorarch=/usr/lib/perl5 -Dsiteprefix=/usr/local -Dsitelib=/usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 -Dsitearch=/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 -Dman1dir=/usr/share/man/man1 -Dman3dir=/usr/share/man/man3 -Dsiteman1dir=/usr/local/man/man1 -Dsiteman3dir=/usr/local/man/man3 -Dman1ext=1 -Dman3ext=3perl -Dpager=/usr/bin/sensible-pager -Uafs -Ud_csh -Uusesfio -Uusenm -Duseshrplib -Dlibperl=libperl.so.5.8.4 -Dd_dosuid -des'; From andy at petdance.com Tue May 2 08:23:11 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:23:11 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <3A5477F8-9682-47FC-A512-B2ACD05DDAC1@petdance.com> > > 1) does everything look like it will work fine? Yes. > 2) after install with my new Perl be able to find the existing pure > Perl > modules, by default? Or will I always need to alter my PERL5LIB or > @INC to > find the installed modules? You don't want your new Perl to look at your old Perl's modules. That would be bad. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From me at heyjay.com Tue May 2 08:36:03 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:36:03 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <200605021036.03916.me@heyjay.com> Andy, (How do you get email from the mailing list so fast, I checked the archives and see that you've already gotten the email and replied, I haven't even gotten the reply) Anyway, (not doubting, combatting). But will you explain why: >> 2) after install with my new Perl be able to find the existing pure >> Perl >> modules, by default? Or will I always need to alter my PERL5LIB or >> @INC to >> find the installed modules? >You don't want your new Perl to look at your old Perl's modules. >That would be bad. That would be "bad"? If I'm using the same Perl version 5.8.4 on both installs. Why would re-using pure perl modules be bad? The INSTALL makes it seem acceptable and preferable. Thanks Jay From andy at petdance.com Tue May 2 08:37:53 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 10:37:53 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <200605021036.03916.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> <200605021036.03916.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <63504FEC-4A86-4F9E-9A6F-F5AE4F57F09E@petdance.com> On May 2, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Jay Strauss wrote: > That would be "bad"? If I'm using the same Perl version 5.8.4 on both > installs. Why would re-using pure perl modules be bad? The > INSTALL makes it > seem acceptable and preferable. if they're pure perl, it shouldn't matter. I was concerned about anything with C interfaces. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060502/09576439/attachment.html From brian.d.foy at gmail.com Tue May 2 09:00:01 2006 From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:00:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <2715accf0605020900u17b6967cr46cf04c36782c8d@mail.gmail.com> Hey Jay, I've run into nothing but problems making two different perls look at the same module tree. It might seem to work at first, then I upgrade some module that replaces another module and things don't work anymore. Trying to make the same Perl module directories work with incompatible binaries turns out to be a headache. Having said that, making sure both perls have all the modules they need can be a smaller headache. You can use CPAN.pm to create a bundle file of all the installed modules, then use that with the other perl to install them. In this case, you have to explicitly use perl on the command line to let cpan(1) know which Config.pm it needs (and other things): % /usr/bin/perl5.8.4-threaded cpan -a From me at heyjay.com Tue May 2 09:25:58 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 11:25:58 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <63504FEC-4A86-4F9E-9A6F-F5AE4F57F09E@petdance.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> <200605021036.03916.me@heyjay.com> <63504FEC-4A86-4F9E-9A6F-F5AE4F57F09E@petdance.com> Message-ID: <200605021125.58891.me@heyjay.com> On Tuesday 02 May 2006 10:37 am, Andy Lester wrote: > On May 2, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Jay Strauss wrote: > > That would be "bad"? If I'm using the same Perl version 5.8.4 on both > > installs. Why would re-using pure perl modules be bad? The > > INSTALL makes it > > seem acceptable and preferable. > > if they're pure perl, it shouldn't matter. I was concerned about > anything with C interfaces. > After I did the install. my @INC for the new perl = @INC: /opt/perl/lib/5.8.4/i686-linux /opt/perl/lib/5.8.4 /opt/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.4/i686-linux /opt/perl/lib/site_perl/5.8.4 /opt/perl/lib/site_perl Is there anyway in the Configure or the install that I could have had the default search include the old @INC of: @INC: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl Or do I just need to alter my PERL5LIB all the time? thanks Jay From lembark at wrkhors.com Tue May 2 12:14:03 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:14:03 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > I need to install a non-threaded version of Perl in addition to the distro > provided threaded version (Debian Sarge). > > I've read the INSTALL that comes with my Perl source (5.8.4). And it seems > like I can make it so that the non-threaded can use all the pure Perl modules > already installed. > > So I did > > sh Configure -Dprefix=/opt/perl -des > make && make test I've found it useful to use another level of indirection it the prefix in the past: ./Configure -Dprefix=/opt/perl5/5.8-nothr -d -e -s ... (also to add compiler optimization, '-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' has been helpful). After that you can: cd /opt/perl5/; ln -fs 5.8-nothr/* .; cd /opt/bin; ln -fs ../perl5/bin/* .; at this point you can use "#!/opt/bin/perl" and switch to non-threaded or a later version of perl by installing it into /opt/perl5/FooBar then: cd /opt/perl5; rm *; ln -fs FooBar/* .; and go along with life. -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From lembark at wrkhors.com Tue May 2 12:16:13 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Tue, 02 May 2006 15:16:13 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <63504FEC-4A86-4F9E-9A6F-F5AE4F57F09E@petdance.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> <200605021036.03916.me@heyjay.com> <63504FEC-4A86-4F9E-9A6F-F5AE4F57F09E@petdance.com> Message-ID: <4457AFFD.7060406@wrkhors.com> Andy Lester wrote: > > On May 2, 2006, at 10:36 AM, Jay Strauss wrote: > >> That would be "bad"? If I'm using the same Perl version 5.8.4 on both >> installs. Why would re-using pure perl modules be bad? The INSTALL >> makes it >> seem acceptable and preferable. > > if they're pure perl, it shouldn't matter. I was concerned about > anything with C interfaces. It is usually a bad idea to mix threaded and unthreaded, even if the stuff isn't C. One reason is that you might end up installing some versions of modules in different places to accomodate threading bugs, and certianly don't want to overwrite you CPAN configs, etc. The modules don't take up all that much space (by today's standards): having a second copy is unlikely to break your machine. -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 2 12:33:08 2006 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: 02 May 2006 12:33:08 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> Message-ID: <86mze08bnv.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Steven" == Steven Lembark writes: Steven> After that you can: Steven> cd /opt/perl5/; Steven> ln -fs 5.8-nothr/* .; Steven> cd /opt/bin; Steven> ln -fs ../perl5/bin/* .; You actually add semicolons to every shell command you type in? Is your semicolon command pretty shiny by now? Or worn off? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From me at heyjay.com Tue May 2 14:15:09 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 16:15:09 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> Message-ID: <200605021615.09560.me@heyjay.com> > > I've found it useful to use another level of indirection > it the prefix in the past: > > ./Configure -Dprefix=/opt/perl5/5.8-nothr -d -e -s ... > > (also to add compiler optimization, '-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' > has been helpful). > > After that you can: > > cd /opt/perl5/; > ln -fs 5.8-nothr/* .; > > cd /opt/bin; > ln -fs ../perl5/bin/* .; > > at this point you can use "#!/opt/bin/perl" and > switch to non-threaded or a later version of perl > by installing it into /opt/perl5/FooBar then: > > cd /opt/perl5; > rm *; > ln -fs FooBar/* .; I get it Thanks Jay From me at heyjay.com Tue May 2 15:21:51 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 17:21:51 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> Message-ID: <200605021721.51600.me@heyjay.com> > > (also to add compiler optimization, '-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' > has been helpful). I get an error with -Doptimize='-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' on the -mtune=X What are those optimizations, and where can I find out more about them? Thanks Jay From jbalint at gmail.com Tue May 2 16:30:28 2006 From: jbalint at gmail.com (Jess Balint) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 19:30:28 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <200605021721.51600.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <4457eb95.2310dbbc.7ffa.227a@mx.gmail.com> man gcc -----Original Message----- From: chicago-talk-bounces+jbalint=gmail.com at pm.org [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces+jbalint=gmail.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jay Strauss Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2006 6:22 PM To: Chicago.pm chatter Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box > > (also to add compiler optimization, '-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' > has been helpful). I get an error with -Doptimize='-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' on the -mtune=X What are those optimizations, and where can I find out more about them? Thanks Jay _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From brian.d.foy at gmail.com Tue May 2 18:46:12 2006 From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy) Date: Tue, 2 May 2006 20:46:12 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Introducing Python video Message-ID: <2715accf0605021846j4dc4ef33g1f683bc9ea6c5477@mail.gmail.com> For those of you who saw parts of the Introducing Python video I showed today at lunch, here's the whole thing: http://www.ibiblio.org/obp/pyBiblio/pythonvideo.php Just skip the parts where Eric Raymond says anything. The high school romance plot (no, really) is interesting, and it looks like they had fun making the video. :) -- brian d foy http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ From lembark at wrkhors.com Wed May 3 07:28:22 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Wed, 03 May 2006 10:28:22 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Installing another Perl on same box In-Reply-To: <200605021721.51600.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605021018.45804.me@heyjay.com> <4457AF7B.6090903@wrkhors.com> <200605021721.51600.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <4458BE06.6020206@wrkhors.com> >> (also to add compiler optimization, '-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' >> has been helpful). > > I get an error with > > -Doptimize='-O3 -march=i686 -mtune=X -pipe' > > on the -mtune=X > > What are those optimizations, and where can I find out more about them? Check the gcc doc's: tune is how you get CPU-specific tuning into the compiler. You have to pick the one for your machine. -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From andy at petdance.com Wed May 3 12:29:30 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed, 3 May 2006 14:29:30 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes References: Message-ID: <243D112E-DB41-43E8-9F38-C51D1DF8CC3C@petdance.com> Discount is up to 30-35% for books from O'Reilly and related publishers if you use the DSUG discount code. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Marsee Henon" > Date: May 3, 2006 2:16:34 PM CDT > To: andy at petdance.com > Subject: O'Reilly UG Program News: DSUG Discount Changes > > Hello, > > Can you please let your members know about the increase in our user > group discount? 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Message-ID: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> Hi, Is there anyway to include/require/merge pod files? In my case I'd like to build an INSTALL.pod that I could edit and can stand alone. But I would also like to include the INSTALL instruction within a larger pod for the module Is there any way to give pod a directive to include another document? perldoc perlpod doesn't give any clues Thanks Jay From andy at petdance.com Fri May 5 07:14:01 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 09:14:01 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] requiring() pod files? In-Reply-To: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: On May 5, 2006, at 8:53 AM, Jay Strauss wrote: > Hi, > > Is there anyway to include/require/merge pod files? In my case I'd > like to > build an INSTALL.pod that I could edit and can stand alone. But I > would also > like to include the INSTALL instruction within a larger pod for the > module Sure, look at WWW::Mechanize. It installs WWW::Mechanize::FAQ.pod -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From lembark at wrkhors.com Fri May 5 07:51:41 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 10:51:41 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] requiring() pod files? In-Reply-To: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <445B667D.6080105@wrkhors.com> > Is there anyway to include/require/merge pod files? In my case I'd like to > build an INSTALL.pod that I could edit and can stand alone. But I would also > like to include the INSTALL instruction within a larger pod for the module > > Is there any way to give pod a directive to include another document? > > perldoc perlpod doesn't give any clues =head1 See also =over 4 =item INSTALL.pod Installation instructions. =back -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From me at heyjay.com Fri May 5 08:06:08 2006 From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:06:08 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] requiring() pod files? In-Reply-To: References: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <200605051006.08916.me@heyjay.com> > Sure, look at WWW::Mechanize. It installs WWW::Mechanize::FAQ.pod You lost me. I want to take: INSTALL.pod USAGE.pod FAQ.pod and combine them into: userguide.pod From andy at petdance.com Fri May 5 08:08:34 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 10:08:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] requiring() pod files? In-Reply-To: <200605051006.08916.me@heyjay.com> References: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> <200605051006.08916.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: On May 5, 2006, at 10:06 AM, Jay Strauss wrote: > >> Sure, look at WWW::Mechanize. It installs WWW::Mechanize::FAQ.pod > > You lost me. I want to take: > > INSTALL.pod > USAGE.pod > FAQ.pod > > and combine them into: > > userguide.pod Oh, then, no. -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From lembark at wrkhors.com Fri May 5 09:24:11 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Fri, 05 May 2006 12:24:11 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] requiring() pod files? In-Reply-To: References: <200605050853.25302.me@heyjay.com> <200605051006.08916.me@heyjay.com> Message-ID: <445B7C2B.6070904@wrkhors.com> >>> Sure, look at WWW::Mechanize. It installs WWW::Mechanize::FAQ.pod >> You lost me. I want to take: >> >> INSTALL.pod >> USAGE.pod >> FAQ.pod >> >> and combine them into: You probably don't want to do that. The problem will be that it'll probably end up with multiple copies of the same heading, etc. If they REALLY are useful as a single document then just put them into a single piece of POD and let pod2html dump them out with links to the various sections (or people can use pod2text and search for headings). For example, if have a "See Also" in each of the files you'll end up with three widely separated sections in the text having the same title. Blech... If they are useful separately then leave them that way and reference all three of them in the See Also section of your main module and each of them. -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com Fri May 5 14:09:44 2006 From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) Date: Fri, 5 May 2006 14:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch Message-ID: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> Hello, Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with backticks without catching its output. I know utime only works for the files already exist. Ge From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon May 8 22:10:14 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 00:10:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Meet-up Message-ID: <49d805d70605082210x234e1aa1t194e13372beb4275@mail.gmail.com> Let's have a meet-up to discuss the current state of YAPC Chicago. The schedule is out. The venue is locked down. Now it's time to get down into the details to make sure that the conference goes on without a hitch. Feel free to join in on the fun. Rumor has it that volunteers are entitled to a few perks at the conference :) Where? Performics has offered to let us use their training room for the session so we will be on the 12th Floor of 180 N LaSalle. When? Tuesday June 23rd at 7 p.m. Be sure to send an email to josh at yapcchicago.org if you plan on attending so that I can get your name on the list. Also, if anyone has any Perlish topic that they would like to present, let me know so that we can plan for it. We have the room for three hours, so there is bound to be a little extra time. Josh From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Tue May 9 11:25:07 2006 From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:25:07 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: open my $fh, '<', $filename; print $fh ""; close $fh; On 5/5/06, tiger peng wrote: > Hello, > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > backticks without catching its output. > > I know utime only works for the files already exist. > > Ge > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Perl Programmer Soccer Referee From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Tue May 9 11:25:40 2006 From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:25:40 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: References: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: err open my $fh, '<<', $filename; Again, test before you use in prod. On 5/9/06, Shawn Carroll wrote: > open my $fh, '<', $filename; > print $fh ""; > close $fh; > > On 5/5/06, tiger peng wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > I know utime only works for the files already exist. > > > > Ge > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > > -- > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > Perl Programmer > Soccer Referee > -- shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Perl Programmer Soccer Referee From perl at cromedome.net Tue May 9 11:44:13 2006 From: perl at cromedome.net (Jason A. Crome) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 13:44:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Meet-up In-Reply-To: <49d805d70605082210x234e1aa1t194e13372beb4275@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70605082210x234e1aa1t194e13372beb4275@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <08D3FD35-F4C3-462D-AED0-CEA4259E743B@cromedome.net> Certainly you mean May 23rd? Or are we planning on settling things at the last moment? ;-) Jason On May 9, 2006, at 12:10 AM, Joshua McAdams wrote: > Let's have a meet-up to discuss the current state of YAPC Chicago. > The schedule is out. The venue is locked down. Now it's time to get > down into the details to make sure that the conference goes on without > a hitch. Feel free to join in on the fun. Rumor has it that > volunteers are entitled to a few perks at the conference :) > > Where? > > Performics has offered to let us use their training room for the > session so we will be on the 12th Floor of 180 N LaSalle. > > When? > > Tuesday June 23rd at 7 p.m. > > Be sure to send an email to josh at yapcchicago.org if you plan on > attending so that I can get your name on the list. > > Also, if anyone has any Perlish topic that they would like to present, > let me know so that we can plan for it. We have the room for three > hours, so there is bound to be a little extra time. > > Josh > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com Tue May 9 11:47:01 2006 From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 11:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060509184701.74295.qmail@web54713.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Shawn. But it dose not work: 1)perl -e 'open $fh, "<", "what" or die $!' No such file or directory at -e line 1. 2)touch does not truncate the existing file. Ge --- Shawn Carroll wrote: > open my $fh, '<', $filename; > print $fh ""; > close $fh; > > On 5/5/06, tiger peng > wrote: > > Hello, > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > I know utime only works for the files already > exist. > > > > Ge > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > > -- > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > Perl Programmer > Soccer Referee > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue May 9 11:47:34 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:47:34 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Meet-up In-Reply-To: <08D3FD35-F4C3-462D-AED0-CEA4259E743B@cromedome.net> References: <49d805d70605082210x234e1aa1t194e13372beb4275@mail.gmail.com> <08D3FD35-F4C3-462D-AED0-CEA4259E743B@cromedome.net> Message-ID: <49d805d70605091147p496bac2eha089c00275f67a1f@mail.gmail.com> > Certainly you mean May 23rd? Or are we planning on settling things > at the last moment? ;-) Though I'm sure we'll still be wrapping things up on June 23rd, May 23rd is the correct date for this meeting. Sorry about the confusion :) Josh From kent at c2group.net Tue May 9 12:16:07 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:16:07 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060509184701.74295.qmail@web54713.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060509184701.74295.qmail@web54713.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060509141522.U57943@atbash.c2group.net> Ge: See Shawn's more recent reply. Also, you'll need to make sure that the user your program is running as has appropriate permissions in the directory where your file is located. On Tue, 9 May 2006, tiger peng wrote: > Thanks Shawn. But it dose not work: > > 1)perl -e 'open $fh, "<", "what" or die $!' > No such file or directory at -e line 1. > > 2)touch does not truncate the existing file. > > Ge > > --- Shawn Carroll wrote: > > > open my $fh, '<', $filename; > > print $fh ""; > > close $fh; > > > > On 5/5/06, tiger peng > > wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > > > I know utime only works for the files already > > exist. > > > > > > Ge > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > > > > > > -- > > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > > Perl Programmer > > Soccer Referee > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From kent at c2group.net Tue May 9 12:18:51 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:18:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: References: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060509141828.N57943@atbash.c2group.net> Wouldn't that be: open my $fh, '>>', $filename ? On Tue, 9 May 2006, Shawn Carroll wrote: > err open my $fh, '<<', $filename; > > Again, test before you use in prod. > > On 5/9/06, Shawn Carroll wrote: > > open my $fh, '<', $filename; > > print $fh ""; > > close $fh; > > > > On 5/5/06, tiger peng wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > > > I know utime only works for the files already exist. > > > > > > Ge > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > > > > > > -- > > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > > Perl Programmer > > Soccer Referee > > > > > -- > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > Perl Programmer > Soccer Referee > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Tue May 9 12:37:48 2006 From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 14:37:48 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060509141828.N57943@atbash.c2group.net> References: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> <20060509141828.N57943@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: Yes, because I can't type. :{ On 5/9/06, Kent Cowgill wrote: > Wouldn't that be: > > open my $fh, '>>', $filename > > ? > > On Tue, 9 May 2006, Shawn Carroll wrote: > > > err open my $fh, '<<', $filename; > > > > Again, test before you use in prod. > > > > On 5/9/06, Shawn Carroll wrote: > > > open my $fh, '<', $filename; > > > print $fh ""; > > > close $fh; > > > > > > On 5/5/06, tiger peng wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > > > > > I know utime only works for the files already exist. > > > > > > > > Ge > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > > > Perl Programmer > > > Soccer Referee > > > > > > > > > -- > > shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com > > Perl Programmer > > Soccer Referee > > _______________________________________________ > > Chicago-talk mailing list > > Chicago-talk at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > -- shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com Perl Programmer Soccer Referee From lembark at wrkhors.com Tue May 9 13:27:00 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Tue, 09 May 2006 16:27:00 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: References: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> <20060509141828.N57943@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <4460FB14.60702@wrkhors.com> >> open my $fh, '>>', $filename Double check whether this might update the mtime (vs. just the atime) of existing files. -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From kent at c2group.net Tue May 9 13:41:19 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:41:19 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <4460FB14.60702@wrkhors.com> References: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> <20060509141828.N57943@atbash.c2group.net> <4460FB14.60702@wrkhors.com> Message-ID: <20060509153706.U62942@atbash.c2group.net> Indeed. I was was just after correcting the syntax, not whether or not it performs as expected (hoped?) Even: perl -e 'open $fh, ">>", 'what' or die "$!"; print $fh ""' ... doesn't seem to change *anything*, at least not according to stat in cygwin on windows... On Tue, 9 May 2006, Steven Lembark wrote: > > >> open my $fh, '>>', $filename > > > Double check whether this might update the mtime (vs. just > the atime) of existing files. > > -- > Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street > Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 > lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Tue May 9 13:48:47 2006 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:48:47 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060509153706.U62942@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: You could look at touch.pl: http://search.cpan.org/src/WYANT/Win32API-File-Time-0.005/touch.pl for winx and uses: use Win32API::File::Time qw{GetFileTime SetFileTime}; or Perl Power Tools "touch" http://search.cpan.org/~cwest/ppt-0.14/bin/touch which uses sysopen and utime utime LIST Changes the access and modification times on each file of a list of files. The first two elements of the list must be the NUMERICAL access and modification times, in that order. Returns the number of files successfully changed. The inode change time of each file is set to the current time. This code has the same effect as the "touch" command if the files already exist: #!/usr/bin/perl $now = time; utime $now, $now, @ARGV; Here's the important part: # Check if the file exists. If not, create it. unless (-f $file) { next if $no_create; local *FILE; require Fcntl; # Import sysopen FILE, $file, Fcntl::O_CREAT () or do { warn "$file: $!\n"; next; }; close FILE; # Nothing to be done, unless time different than now. next unless $special_time; } my ($aorig, $morig) = (stat $file) [8, 9] or do { warn "$file: $!\n"; next; }; my $aset = $access_time ? $atime : $aorig; my $mset = $modification_time ? $mtime : $morig; utime $aset, $mset, $file or do { warn "$file: $!\n"; next; }; Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 It was really tempting to name the program "sex" (for either "Smart EXec" or "Send-EXpect"), but good sense (or perhaps just Puritanism) prevailed. Don Libes - on naming "Expect" From andrew at broscom.com Tue May 9 14:18:25 2006 From: andrew at broscom.com (Andrew Brosnan) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:18:25 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060505210944.68588.qmail@web54714.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/5/06 at 2:09 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) wrote: > Hello, > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > backticks without catching its output. system("touch foo") Regards, Andrew From brian.d.foy at gmail.com Tue May 9 14:20:00 2006 From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:20:00 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] I need a really nice Chicago photo Message-ID: <2715accf0605091420t6d00eb77k35326b5d3689e7de@mail.gmail.com> The next issue of TPR (the special YAPC edition) is going to be a photo mosaic by Eric Maki. He's got 80,000 or so Chicago photos he mined off Flickr (with the proper license), but now he needs a really good target photo (the big picture the mosaic makes). Anyone got such a thing? High contrast photos that don't need a lot of minute details seem to work best. If it's somehow related to Chicago.pm that would be nice too. Thanks :) -- brian d foy http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Tue May 9 14:43:04 2006 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 16:43:04 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] I need a really nice Chicago photo In-Reply-To: <2715accf0605091420t6d00eb77k35326b5d3689e7de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Well, Sammy Sosa's out .. Larry? What about the Picasso sculpture? Lots of images in images.google a Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 It was really tempting to name the program "sex" (for either "Smart EXec" or "Send-EXpect"), but good sense (or perhaps just Puritanism) prevailed. Don Libes - on naming "Expect" From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com Tue May 9 15:04:57 2006 From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 15:04:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060509220457.19305.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> --- Andrew Brosnan wrote: > On 5/5/06 at 2:09 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger > peng) wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > backticks without catching its output. > > system("touch foo") not better than backticks, as there are even more typing. > Regards, > Andrew > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From steve at fisharerojo.org Tue May 9 15:57:18 2006 From: steve at fisharerojo.org (Steve Peters) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 17:57:18 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] I need a really nice Chicago photo In-Reply-To: References: <2715accf0605091420t6d00eb77k35326b5d3689e7de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060509225718.GA13710@fisharerojo.org> On Tue, May 09, 2006 at 04:43:04PM -0500, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov wrote: > Well, Sammy Sosa's out .. Larry? What about the Picasso sculpture? Lots > of images in images.google > Especially ones with a White Sox hat one it :) Otherwise, Navy Pier, the Grant Park fountain, or the Millenium Park fountains would seem to have the most contrast. Steve Peters steve at fisharerojo.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 191 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/pipermail/chicago-talk/attachments/20060509/45802296/attachment.bin From andrew at broscom.com Tue May 9 15:59:03 2006 From: andrew at broscom.com (Andrew Brosnan) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:59:03 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060509220457.19305.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/9/06 at 3:04 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) wrote: > > > --- Andrew Brosnan wrote: > > > On 5/5/06 at 2:09 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger > > peng) wrote: > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > system("touch foo") > > not better than backticks, as there are even more > typing. Well, you said you didn't want to catch the output, and system is better for that than backticks. I didn't realize you wanted to play golf ;-) Regards, Andrew From brian.d.foy at gmail.com Tue May 9 16:49:39 2006 From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] I need a really nice Chicago photo In-Reply-To: References: <2715accf0605091420t6d00eb77k35326b5d3689e7de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2715accf0605091649x44a91dd2x2a29a22e5befccb9@mail.gmail.com> On 5/9/06, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov wrote: > Well, Sammy Sosa's out .. Larry? What about the Picasso sculpture? Lots > of images in images.google Well, I need an image I'm allowed to use. :) -- brian d foy http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ From kent at c2group.net Tue May 9 16:50:32 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:50:32 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060509220457.19305.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20060509220457.19305.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20060509184650.W66487@atbash.c2group.net> On Tue, 9 May 2006, tiger peng wrote: > > On 5/5/06 at 2:09 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger > > peng) wrote: > > > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without > > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > system("touch foo") > > not better than backticks, as there are even more > typing. Do you want to capture results? Because you can with backticks: $return = `touch foo`; Maybe if we're all misunderstanding your intent, you could perhaps try to clarify what you're after? -Kent From kent at c2group.net Tue May 9 16:52:59 2006 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 18:52:59 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] I need a really nice Chicago photo In-Reply-To: <2715accf0605091420t6d00eb77k35326b5d3689e7de@mail.gmail.com> References: <2715accf0605091420t6d00eb77k35326b5d3689e7de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060509185131.R66487@atbash.c2group.net> I thought the image of the Sears tower (on the YAPC::NA poster and homepage) looks nice. It's somewhat contrasty? And losing the details on the rows of windows in the lower levels of the tower wouldn't seem to be that biiiig a deal... $.02 -Kent On Tue, 9 May 2006, brian d foy wrote: > The next issue of TPR (the special YAPC edition) is going to be a > photo mosaic by Eric Maki. He's got 80,000 or so Chicago photos he > mined off Flickr (with the proper license), but now he needs a really > good target photo (the big picture the mosaic makes). Anyone got such > a thing? > > High contrast photos that don't need a lot of minute details seem to > work best. If it's somehow related to Chicago.pm that would be nice > too. > > Thanks :) > > -- > brian d foy > http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From warren at warrenandrachel.com Tue May 9 18:48:52 2006 From: warren at warrenandrachel.com (warren at warrenandrachel.com) Date: Tue, 9 May 2006 20:48:52 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <20060509184650.W66487@atbash.c2group.net> References: <20060509220457.19305.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> <20060509184650.W66487@atbash.c2group.net> Message-ID: <52882.68.74.77.242.1147225732.squirrel@68.74.77.242> Touch never uses stdout, so capturing it won't do much good. Your best bet is to simply do system 'touch', $foo or die "Failed to start touch!"; die 'Call to touch failed!' if $?; If you *really* must capture the error message, then this should work: $error = `system 'touch ' . quotemeta($foo) . ' 2>&1'`; die $error if $error; But that gets rather confusing quite quickly. > > > On Tue, 9 May 2006, tiger peng wrote: > >> > On 5/5/06 at 2:09 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger >> > peng) wrote: >> > > >> > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl without >> > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with >> > > backticks without catching its output. >> > >> > system("touch foo") >> >> not better than backticks, as there are even more >> typing. > > Do you want to capture results? Because you can with backticks: > > $return = `touch foo`; > > Maybe if we're all misunderstanding your intent, you could perhaps try to > clarify what you're after? > > -Kent > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com Wed May 10 07:39:36 2006 From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 07:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060510143936.79979.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> --- Andrew Brosnan wrote: > On 5/9/06 at 3:04 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger > peng) wrote: > > > > > > > --- Andrew Brosnan wrote: > > > > > On 5/5/06 at 2:09 PM, tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com > (tiger > > > peng) wrote: > > > > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > Can you help me to "touch" a file in perl > without > > > > using backticks? I do not feel comfotable with > > > > backticks without catching its output. > > > > > > system("touch foo") > > > > not better than backticks, as there are even more > > typing. > > Well, you said you didn't want to catch the output, > and system is better > for that than backticks. I didn't realize you wanted > to play golf ;-) Yeah. As you mentioned golf, is there a tiny tee in perl? > Regards, > Andrew > > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > From lembark at wrkhors.com Wed May 10 09:22:59 2006 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Wed, 10 May 2006 12:22:59 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] perl touch In-Reply-To: <52882.68.74.77.242.1147225732.squirrel@68.74.77.242> References: <20060509220457.19305.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com> <20060509184650.W66487@atbash.c2group.net> <52882.68.74.77.242.1147225732.squirrel@68.74.77.242> Message-ID: <44621363.3050804@wrkhors.com> > Touch never uses stdout, so capturing it won't do much good. Your best bet > is to simply do > > system 'touch', $foo or die "Failed to start touch!"; > die 'Call to touch failed!' if $?; Touch returns true on failure (e.g., "touch /foo/bar/bletch" on a system without directory /foo exits with 1). An "or" leaves you with a true system return on failure and thus bypassing the sanity check. This is a common problem since the definition of "success" and "true" are reversed in many situations. C (and most shell) use false for success; most perly code use false for failure. This requires something like: system "$cmd" and die "Roadkill: '$cmd' returned shell true"; The "foo and die" notation is confusing to most people, since they expect and "and" to follow successful completion. A better way is to investigate $? for death by signal, etc, after the system call and see what that gives you. if ($? == -1) { print "failed to execute: $!\n"; } elsif ($? & 127) { printf "child died with signal %d, %s coredump\n", ($? & 127), ($? & 128) ? 'with' : 'without'; } elsif( my $sig = ( $? & 0xFF ) ) { # you died with signal $sig } else { my $return = $? >> 8; # which doesn't really tell you much unless you # KNOW what the thing is supposed to return on # error: what if it returns true on success? } Parallel::Queue has a complete example of handling system calls (pretty much the above ladder with better reporting): > If you *really* must capture the error message, then this should work: > > $error = `system 'touch ' . quotemeta($foo) . ' 2>&1'`; > die $error if $error; -- Steven Lembark 85-09 90th Street Workhorse Computing Woodhaven, NY 11421 lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Wed May 10 22:37:16 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 00:37:16 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] White Sox Tickets Message-ID: <49d805d70605102237v157282a5s590236153e9d058f@mail.gmail.com> I have two tickets for a White Sox game Thursday night at 7:05. They are in section 518, which is on the first base line, high up in the bleachers. If anyone wants them and can pick them up at 180 N LaSalle before 5 p.m. tomorrow, let me know (joshua.mcadams - at - gmail.com) and I'll give them to you. First come, first served. Josh From rjf at russfoster.com Thu May 11 11:41:14 2006 From: rjf at russfoster.com (Russ Foster) Date: Thu, 11 May 2006 13:41:14 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] I need a really nice Chicago photo In-Reply-To: <2715accf0605091420t6d00eb77k35326b5d3689e7de@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Did you ever get the image you were looking for? Russell J. Foster Systems Management Consultant rjf at russfoster.com 630.885.0147 cell 815.550.1376 efax > -----Original Message----- > From: chicago-talk-bounces+rjf=russfoster.com at pm.org [mailto:chicago-talk- > bounces+rjf=russfoster.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of brian d foy > Sent: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 4:20 PM > To: Chicago.pm chatter > Subject: [Chicago-talk] I need a really nice Chicago photo > > The next issue of TPR (the special YAPC edition) is going to be a > photo mosaic by Eric Maki. He's got 80,000 or so Chicago photos he > mined off Flickr (with the proper license), but now he needs a really > good target photo (the big picture the mosaic makes). Anyone got such > a thing? > > High contrast photos that don't need a lot of minute details seem to > work best. If it's somehow related to Chicago.pm that would be nice > too. > > Thanks :) > > -- > brian d foy > http://www.pair.com/~comdog/ > _______________________________________________ > Chicago-talk mailing list > Chicago-talk at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Fri May 12 13:49:39 2006 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Fri, 12 May 2006 15:49:39 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Tie::StdHash, db and FETCH Message-ID: Okay, I'm looking at some code here and, they tie a global hash to Site object. The Site.pm package Site; use strict; use Tie::Hash; use vars qw(@ISA); @ISA = qw(Tie::StdHash); defines 6 routines: STORE FETCH EXISTS DEFINED GetSiteValue InitDbKeyRefs Fetch does: sub FETCH { my ($self, $key) = @_; if($self->{$key} eq "") { GetSiteValue($self,$key); } return $self->{$key}; } GetSite: sub GetSiteValue { my ($self, $key) = @_; if($self->{DbKeyRefs} eq "") { InitDbKeyRefs($self); } ... [ fetch $key from db if its in DbKeyRefs ] InitDbKeyRefs installs an entry DbKeyRefs $self->{DbKeyRefs} = main::unload("site_code","site",""); w/ all the site table key fields. So, each cgi script starts by tie the global hash to Site: our %Global_Site; tie %Global_Site, 'Site'; and then can use $Global_Site{BG_Color} etc. to ref site table entry data. But it seems like we end up calling that InitDbKeyRefs an awful lot and I'm not sure there's not some sort of recursiveness sneaking in there. Both DEFINED/EXISTS are just: sub EXISTS { my ($self, $key) = @_; return exists $self->{$key}; } sub DEFINED { my ($self, $key) = @_; return defined $self->{$key}; } but the line: if($self->{DbKeyRefs} eq "") { fails a lot. Now this is a working prog and little hard to test, so I'm asking if this seems wrong. I'm also wondering if adding a TIEHASH method that initialized that 'DbKeyRefs' element might be an improvement. Thanks for any hints. As usual, sorry its so scattershot. a Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 It was really tempting to name the program "sex" (for either "Smart EXec" or "Send-EXpect"), but good sense (or perhaps just Puritanism) prevailed. Don Libes - on naming "Expect" From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon May 22 11:48:01 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 14:48:01 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Meeting Reminder Message-ID: <49d805d70605221148n342e6a76j4e27bc9bd79adccb@mail.gmail.com> Just a reminder... Let's have a meet-up to discuss the current state of YAPC Chicago. The schedule is out. The venue is locked down. Now it's time to get down into the details to make sure that the conference goes on without a hitch. Feel free to join in on the fun. Rumor has it that volunteers are entitled to a few perks at the conference :) Where? Performics has offered to let us use their training room for the session so we will be on the 12th Floor of 180 N LaSalle. When? Tuesday May 23rd at 7 p.m. Be sure to send an email to josh at yapcchicago.org if you plan on attending so that I can get your name on the list. Also, if anyone has any Perlish topic that they would like to present, let me know so that we can plan for it. We have the room for three hours, so there is bound to be a little extra time. From zrusilla at mac.com Mon May 22 16:58:53 2006 From: zrusilla at mac.com (Elizabeth Cortell) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 16:58:53 -0700 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Meeting Reminder In-Reply-To: <49d805d70605221148n342e6a76j4e27bc9bd79adccb@mail.gmail.com> References: <49d805d70605221148n342e6a76j4e27bc9bd79adccb@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <8198672.1148342333257.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> I'll be at a tech talk on PPI in LA. Sorry I can't make it :-). Liz On Monday, May 22, 2006, at 11:48AM, Joshua McAdams wrote: >Just a reminder... > >Let's have a meet-up to discuss the current state of YAPC Chicago. >The schedule is out. The venue is locked down. Now it's time to get >down into the details to make sure that the conference goes on without >a hitch. Feel free to join in on the fun. Rumor has it that >volunteers are entitled to a few perks at the conference :) > >Where? > > Performics has offered to let us use their training room for the >session so we will be on the 12th Floor of 180 N LaSalle. > >When? > > Tuesday May 23rd at 7 p.m. > >Be sure to send an email to josh at yapcchicago.org if you plan on >attending so that I can get your name on the list. > >Also, if anyone has any Perlish topic that they would like to present, >let me know so that we can plan for it. We have the room for three >hours, so there is bound to be a little extra time. >_______________________________________________ >Chicago-talk mailing list >Chicago-talk at pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk > > From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Mon May 22 19:38:06 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Mon, 22 May 2006 21:38:06 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Meeting Reminder In-Reply-To: <8198672.1148342333257.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> References: <49d805d70605221148n342e6a76j4e27bc9bd79adccb@mail.gmail.com> <8198672.1148342333257.JavaMail.zrusilla@mac.com> Message-ID: <49d805d70605221938o776f6c19p8cb6cd41e96bc855@mail.gmail.com> > I'll be at a tech talk on PPI in LA. Sorry I can't make it :-). Doh! From andy at petdance.com Wed May 24 14:20:20 2006 From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 16:20:20 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] I've moved chicago.pm.org Message-ID: <9BD33335-392E-47CC-99F1-667B50E054D8@petdance.com> The chicago.pm.org website is now hosted on my box at home. This makes it MUCH easier for me or Pete Krawczyk to put up information on the site. If there's things we don't have, but should, let us know! xoa -- Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Wed May 24 20:17:52 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Wed, 24 May 2006 22:17:52 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] User of Free Operating Systems, Chicago Meeting Tomorrow Message-ID: <49d805d70605242017w251097fam166b843bd1084f46@mail.gmail.com> This message came across one of the lists that I'm on. If anyone can make it out there (I'm double-booked at the moment), please be sure to mention YAPC and possibly even bring along a few printouts of http://yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster.pdf (we are working on getting a version with less black in it so that it will print easier). Thanks, Josh Here's. the message... That's right friends! This Thursday is our regularly scheduled Linux/Free Operating Systems/Unix How-To/Diner Madness meet-up. The festivities get started at 8pm What: User of Free Operating Systems, Chicago Where: 4229 W. Irving Park, Chicago (near Irving Park Blue Line & Metra) When: May 25th, 2006 -- we get started at 8pm and leave when we're good and ready Hope you can make it! brian -- Brian Sobolak http://www.planetshwoop.com/ From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Thu May 25 08:36:13 2006 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:36:13 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC meetup In-Reply-To: <49d805d70605242017w251097fam166b843bd1084f46@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: How did the meet-up go? Any lists or anything come out of it? a Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 "It's a summons." "What's a summons?" "It means summon's in trouble." -- Rocky and Bullwinkle From bdoty at efs-us.com Thu May 25 13:39:34 2006 From: bdoty at efs-us.com (Brad Doty) Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 15:39:34 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] How did YAPC Meetup go? Message-ID: Andy Bach, Yes, it was good. I'm sure Josh has a better answer, but as a newbie, my take on it was like this. Josh went over plans for the final month and the YAPC event itself. He showed us the budget is negative right now, but expected to turn positive as more registrations come in. I was very pleasantly surprised to see that a fun dinner (and auction) at Dave & Buster's is being included in the already-bargain basement price of $100. Similar, though much bigger, conferences run by professional outfits like DCI go for $1495 to $2495 for 3-5 days. Josh highlighted a couple of initiatives to improve revenue. One is to continue to get the word out to user groups, universities, and community colleges with posters and visits. The other is to hold a job fair at the conference. The group got together a list of contacts and action owners to invite various companies to participate. He showed us a private Wiki for volunteers to accept tasks and communicate status on publicity, job fair, and duty at the event. Very cool. Please see Josh for details. Brad Doty -----Original Message----- Date: Thu, 25 May 2006 10:36:13 -0500 From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] YAPC meetup To: "Chicago.pm chatter" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" How did the meet-up go? Any lists or anything come out of it? a Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov VOICE: (608) 261-5738 FAX 264-5932 "It's a summons." "What's a summons?" "It means summon's in trouble." -- Rocky and Bullwinkle ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Chicago-talk mailing list Chicago-talk at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk End of Chicago-talk Digest, Vol 34, Issue 13 ******************************************** From wiggins at danconia.org Fri May 26 11:21:41 2006 From: wiggins at danconia.org (Wiggins d'Anconia) Date: Fri, 26 May 2006 12:21:41 -0600 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Accomodation Question Message-ID: <44774735.8090808@danconia.org> On the registration there is "Double Room in SSV" but there is no indication of the number of beds. The assumption (that we would rather not make) is that each room has 2 beds, so a "Double Room in SSV" is actually 4 beds per night for $110. Is that correct? Or does it mean 1 half of a 2-room suite which would be 2 beds (but the text further down indicates that would be $65). The other confusing thing is that there are only fields for 2 residents, with a field for "preferred suite-mate". Can someone enlighten? Thanks, http://danconia.org From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue May 30 07:28:10 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 10:28:10 -0400 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago.pm Meeting: Lightning Talks Message-ID: <49d805d70605300728v323c49abl1323243d5219356@mail.gmail.com> It's about time for a Chicago.pm meeting. Since nobody has came forward with a long presentation yet, let's do lightning talks!! What are lightning talks? They are five minute presentations on just about any Perlish topic that you can imagine. Feel free to rant, rave, instruct, whatever! Just have it done in five minutes are get heckled off stage :) No rush to think of a talk either because topics and order will be hashed out at the start of the meeting. Don't forget that we are still taking applications for lightning talks at YAPC, so you could always use this as an opportunity to test your talk in front of a smaller crowd. Interested, but want to know more? MJD has a nice write-up at http://perl.plover.com/lightning-talks.html. Lightning Talks Tuesday, June 6, 2006 (7:00 PM - 9:00 PM) 180 N. LaSalle (12th Floor) RSVP to joshua.mcadams-at-gmail-dot-com From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue May 30 21:26:32 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:26:32 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] YAPC Accomodation Question In-Reply-To: <44774735.8090808@danconia.org> References: <44774735.8090808@danconia.org> Message-ID: <49d805d70605302126i6aa70edfxb7d672a7c3e86b8c@mail.gmail.com> > On the registration there is "Double Room in SSV" but there is no > indication of the number of beds. The assumption (that we would rather > not make) is that each room has 2 beds, so a "Double Room in SSV" is > actually 4 beds per night for $110. Is that correct? Or does it mean 1 > half of a 2-room suite which would be 2 beds (but the text further down > indicates that would be $65). The other confusing thing is that there > are only fields for 2 residents, with a field for "preferred suite-mate". > > Can someone enlighten? Thanks, Double rooms have two beds. Two double rooms make up a suite (joined by a restroom) and in total have four beds. From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue May 30 21:30:26 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:30:26 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] How did YAPC Meetup go? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <49d805d70605302130g250b446bic9a1215f3839fea@mail.gmail.com> > He showed us a private Wiki for volunteers to accept tasks and > communicate status on publicity, job fair, and duty at the event. Very > cool. Please see Josh for details. That pretty much wrapped it up. I encourage everyone who can to come out to our June 6th lightning talks meeting for some socializing and possibly some volunteering signup :) Also, feel free to distribute our press release and posters. http://yapcchicago.org/press_release.pdf http://yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster.pdf http://yapcchicago.org/yapc_poster_white.pdf Thanks, Josh From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com Tue May 30 21:37:37 2006 From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams) Date: Tue, 30 May 2006 23:37:37 -0500 Subject: [Chicago-talk] Meetup.com Message-ID: <49d805d70605302137g317e101dq6babe0babdfe32e6@mail.gmail.com> There were a few people looking for Perl meetups on Meetup.com so I set up a meeting for our next Chicago.pm get-together. If it works out, I might keep it going for a while, but it seemed like a decent way to promote the group and YAPC for now. Feel free to sign up http://perl.meetup.com/104/