From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Fri Feb  3 12:14:43 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach@wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2006 14:14:43 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fw from p6-lang: something between "state" and "my"
Message-ID: <OFC6F02F86.A81D59E9-ON8625710A.006EC5D6-8625710A.006F3134@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

Hey.

Anybody have a simple exegesis on the 'temp', 'state' 'env' modifiers and, 
perhaps the '+ twigil' ?

----- Forwarded by Andy Bach/WIWB/07/USCOURTS on 02/03/2006 02:09 PM -----

On Fri, Feb 03, 2006 at 06:45:23AM +0000, Luke Palmer wrote:
: On 2/3/06, Dave Whipp <dave at whipp.name> wrote:
: >    sub factorial(Int $x) {
: >        temp state Int $result = 1;
: >        $result *= $x;
: >        factorial $x-1 if $x > 2;
: >        return $result if want;
: >    }
: >    say factorial 6;
: 
: That's precisely what "env" variables are for.  The right way:
: 
:     sub factorial(Int $x) {
:         env $result = 1;
:         my sub fact(Int $x) {
:             $+result *= $x;
:             fact($x - 1) if $x > 2;
:             return $result;
:         }
:         fact($x);
:     }
: 
: Of course, you can view env variables as implicit parameters.  Given
: that, this function might be able to reduce to:
: 
:     sub factorial(Int $x) {
:         env $+result = 1;   # expecting $+result
:                             # param, default to 1
:         $+result *= $x;
:         fact($x - 1) if $x > 2;
:         return $result;
:     }

Hmm, that won't work in my current mental model, where an "env" is
used only in the outermost dynamic scope to declare the existence of
that outermost scope, and within that scope it behaves exactly like a
"my" variable.  But that means that the assignment happens every time,
not as some kind of default.

If you don't have an outermost scope declarator, you've just basically
reinvented a less efficient version of globals and "temp", since "env
$+result" would always have to assume there was an outer dynamic scope
and scan outward to the root dynamic scope.

But that's just my current mental model, which history has shown
is subject to random tweakage.  And maybe "env $+result" could be a
special squinting construct that does create-unless-already-created.
Doesn't feel terribly clean to me though.  If we stick with the +
twigil always meaning at least one CALLER::, then clarity might be
better served by

    env $result := $+result // 1;

assuming that $+result merely returns undef in the outermost env context.

Larry


From lembark at wrkhors.com  Fri Feb  3 18:01:13 2006
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Fri, 03 Feb 2006 21:01:13 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] [Perl Jobs] perl Financial Systems Support Analyst
 (onsite), United States, IL, Chicago (fwd)
Message-ID: <474E4F3E90B18FB46F77C377@[192.168.1.9]>



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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 11:39:28 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 13:39:28 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Neet trick....
In-Reply-To: <1139337931.76304.10.camel@scotth.emsphone.com>
References: <1139337931.76304.10.camel@scotth.emsphone.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0602071139x49c70cd6o791d50f79d2a6575@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/7/06, Scott T. Hildreth <shildreth at allantgroup.com> wrote:

[ this came up in MJD's talk last night, so I figured the rest of
Chicago.pm might like to see it. It's a little trick to have a module
and a script at the same time. ]

> I like that 'run unless caller();', although I call my main loop/sub
> 'proc'.  :-)

I talk about it more in TPJ:
http://www.tpj.com/documents/s=9621/tpj0411e/0411e.html

It's also in Perlmonks: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=396759


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From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  7 16:16:53 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 16:16:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: URGENT REQUIREMENT - SENIOR PERL DEVELOPER -
	FULL TIME POSITION - NEW YORK CITY
Message-ID: <20060208001654.83456.qmail@web54711.mail.yahoo.com>



--- Leonard <leonard at amtexenterprises.com> wrote:

> Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 15:29:02 -0800
> From: Leonard <leonard at amtexenterprises.com>
> To: Leonard <leonard at amtexenterprises.com>
> Subject: URGENT REQUIREMENT - SENIOR PERL DEVELOPER
> - FULL TIME POSITION -
>  NEW YORK CITY
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi
> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> 
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> ________________________
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From adam at spatialsystems.org  Tue Feb  7 20:05:06 2006
From: adam at spatialsystems.org (Adam)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:05:06 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago Burbs Perl Training
References: <1139337931.76304.10.camel@scotth.emsphone.com>
	<2715accf0602071139x49c70cd6o791d50f79d2a6575@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00ff01c62c64$d8d901d0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR>

I'm looking for a 4 or 5 day Perl class outside the loop.

I found one place in Schaumburg (Learning Tree) that has a 4 day perl class. 
Has anyone had any experience there or reccomend any other Perl training 
places?

Thanks,
Adam 


From orders at siraim.com  Tue Feb  7 20:17:45 2006
From: orders at siraim.com (Orders Guy)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:17:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Chicago Burbs Perl Training
In-Reply-To: <00ff01c62c64$d8d901d0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR>
References: <1139337931.76304.10.camel@scotth.emsphone.com>	<2715accf0602071139x49c70cd6o791d50f79d2a6575@mail.gmail.com>
	<00ff01c62c64$d8d901d0$0200a8c0@PANASONIULSWMR>
Message-ID: <43E970E9.8070104@siraim.com>

Sun had a perl course they offered at their LaSalle street office. It 
was a few day course that covered everything you need to get started and 
become proficient.  I'm sure they still offer it from time to time.  
Check the education/training pages at sun.com

Sam

ps - not affiliated with Sun in any way, just enjoyed the instructor.

Adam wrote:
> I'm looking for a 4 or 5 day Perl class outside the loop.
>
> I found one place in Schaumburg (Learning Tree) that has a 4 day perl class. 
> Has anyone had any experience there or reccomend any other Perl training 
> places?
>
> Thanks,
> Adam 
>
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue Feb  7 20:46:32 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:46:32 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] HTML::Tree coverage in Phalanx
Message-ID: <C4919570-C6DB-45BD-BCD0-57BA92C584AF@petdance.com>


OK, HTML::Tree folks: Didn't you guys submit some tests for  
HTML::Tree?  Did I not fold them in?

I ran some coverage tests on HTML::Tree today, and found many  
functions that were never executed at all, which surprised me.

Did I miss something?


xoxo,
Andy

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From shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 20:51:19 2006
From: shawn.c.carroll at gmail.com (Shawn Carroll)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 22:51:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] HTML::Tree coverage in Phalanx
In-Reply-To: <C4919570-C6DB-45BD-BCD0-57BA92C584AF@petdance.com>
References: <C4919570-C6DB-45BD-BCD0-57BA92C584AF@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <c114984c0602072051v1db9dba0gd5f38a36939d7870@mail.gmail.com>

We did submit tests, I just think they ever got rolled in.

On 2/7/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> OK, HTML::Tree folks: Didn't you guys submit some tests for
> HTML::Tree?  Did I not fold them in?
>
> I ran some coverage tests on HTML::Tree today, and found many
> functions that were never executed at all, which surprised me.
>
> Did I miss something?
>
>
> xoxo,
> Andy
>
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
>
>
>
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From shild at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb  7 20:55:08 2006
From: shild at sbcglobal.net (Scott T. Hildreth)
Date: Tue, 07 Feb 2006 22:55:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interesting read
Message-ID: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>

I'm sure a lot of people on this list saw this, but if
not here is a link to an interesting discussion,


http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/28466

                         STH


-- 
Scott T. Hildreth <shild at sbcglobal.net>

From andy at petdance.com  Tue Feb  7 21:04:52 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:04:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interesting read
In-Reply-To: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
References: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>

>
>
> http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/28466

I talked to Curtis about this, and he's planning on looking for folks  
in PM groups all 'round.  He is definitely looking for people to do  
actual work on some PR-type stuff talking about Perl's perception in  
business.  Yes, that would be working with me, too.

xoa

--
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From andy at petdance.com  Tue Feb  7 21:04:52 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:04:52 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interesting read
In-Reply-To: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
References: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>

>
>
> http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/28466

I talked to Curtis about this, and he's planning on looking for folks  
in PM groups all 'round.  He is definitely looking for people to do  
actual work on some PR-type stuff talking about Perl's perception in  
business.  Yes, that would be working with me, too.

xoa

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance




From lembark at wrkhors.com  Tue Feb  7 21:27:35 2006
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interesting read
In-Reply-To: <5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>
References: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
	<5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <DABFA825CAA0A15B2DC88F84@[192.168.1.9]>



-- Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>

>> 
>> 
>> http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/28466
> 
> I talked to Curtis about this, and he's planning on looking for folks  
> in PM groups all 'round.  He is definitely looking for people to do  
> actual work on some PR-type stuff talking about Perl's perception in  
> business.  Yes, that would be working with me, too.

This is exactly what the advocacy group was supposed to 
help deal with. In typical perly fashion, noone was 
able to agree on answers for these sorts of things.

One other issue with Java is that there is a lot more
training out there for it. This means that Average Joe
Programmer types are more likely to have had exposure
to development with specific tools in the language.

With Perl most people just "pick it up". Aside from any
of us who can going out and teaching it at local public
college extension programs, what is there we can do? 

Of course, people calling up the local extension programs
and ASKING for Perl classes would help enormously...



-- 
Steven Lembark                                       85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                     1 888 359 3508

From lembark at wrkhors.com  Tue Feb  7 21:27:35 2006
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 00:27:35 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interesting read
In-Reply-To: <5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>
References: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
	<5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <DABFA825CAA0A15B2DC88F84@[192.168.1.9]>



-- Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com>

>> 
>> 
>> http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/28466
> 
> I talked to Curtis about this, and he's planning on looking for folks  
> in PM groups all 'round.  He is definitely looking for people to do  
> actual work on some PR-type stuff talking about Perl's perception in  
> business.  Yes, that would be working with me, too.

This is exactly what the advocacy group was supposed to 
help deal with. In typical perly fashion, noone was 
able to agree on answers for these sorts of things.

One other issue with Java is that there is a lot more
training out there for it. This means that Average Joe
Programmer types are more likely to have had exposure
to development with specific tools in the language.

With Perl most people just "pick it up". Aside from any
of us who can going out and teaching it at local public
college extension programs, what is there we can do? 

Of course, people calling up the local extension programs
and ASKING for Perl classes would help enormously...



-- 
Steven Lembark                                       85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                     1 888 359 3508

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Tue Feb  7 21:41:04 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:41:04 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interesting read
In-Reply-To: <DABFA825CAA0A15B2DC88F84@192.168.1.9>
References: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
	<5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>
	<DABFA825CAA0A15B2DC88F84@192.168.1.9>
Message-ID: <49d805d70602072141s1220a9fcgb09c19fcbad65f92@mail.gmail.com>

> With Perl most people just "pick it up". Aside from any
> of us who can going out and teaching it at local public
> college extension programs, what is there we can do?

Pull a M$ or Apple and try to teach Perl earlier than college-level by
getting into the school system.  Get them hooked early.  The payoff
will not be immediate, but it would still happen while I'm in the job
market :)

The interview that I just did with Chris Pine focused on a book that
he wrote about learning to program with Ruby as a first language.  He
uses it in his volunteer work with gifted kids.  It's good for him,
good for the kids, and good for Ruby.  Hmm, if we wanted to promote
Perl, this would be an interesting way to help do so.

From jason at multiply.org  Tue Feb  7 21:47:47 2006
From: jason at multiply.org (Jason Gessner)
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2006 23:47:47 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Interesting read
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70602072141s1220a9fcgb09c19fcbad65f92@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1139374508.71835.27.camel@fbsd1.dyndns.org>
	<5A4F5745-2AAF-4586-A60E-859C36326743@petdance.com>
	<DABFA825CAA0A15B2DC88F84@192.168.1.9>
	<49d805d70602072141s1220a9fcgb09c19fcbad65f92@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2E245535-CC5B-4B56-B65B-597277451CBC@multiply.org>


On Feb 7, 2006, at 11:41 PM, Joshua McAdams wrote:
>   Hmm, if we wanted to promote
> Perl, this would be an interesting way to help do so.

or a good way to be mean to children.  :)

in all earnestness, one thing that occurred to me after reading  
ovid's piece and after listening to josh's interview with chad fowler  
is that perl is not necessarily an end point.  People that love perl  
tend to have a certain skill set and a certain attitude (about  
programming and problem solving).  That can be good, but as a selling  
point, only knowing perl is not as much of an attraction as only  
knowing C++/java or having a lot of professional experience with perl  
or another dynamic language, but actual work done in several.

Perl is one view of the world, despite some outward appearances.  In  
my experience both as a programmer and as someone who hires perl  
developers, perl + @other_languages can be a kick ass combination.   
$only_perl is a particular kind of thing that the market and the  
field is kind of leaving behind.

-jason

ps - it is late and that was rambly.  my apologies.

From me at heyjay.com  Tue Feb  7 22:02:01 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:02:01 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
Message-ID: <200602080002.01885.me@heyjay.com>

Hi,

Is there a function in Perl analygous to the Unix 'which', for saying where in 
the @INC it will find a package?

I do it like:

#!/usr/bin/perl

(my $module_name = shift) .=  ".pm";
$module_name =~ s/::/\//;

foreach (@INC) {
    my $full = "$_/$module_name";
    if (-e $full) {
        print $full;
        last;
    }
}

But thought there might be a built-in or some magic var I can check

Thanks
Jay

From andy at petdance.com  Tue Feb  7 22:25:38 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 00:25:38 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <200602080002.01885.me@heyjay.com>
References: <200602080002.01885.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <8F5882C2-BF6A-45FB-B382-E74A79CF45D7@petdance.com>

>
> Is there a function in Perl analygous to the Unix 'which', for  
> saying where in
> the @INC it will find a package?

Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But after it's loaded, yes,  
you look in %INC.

$ perl -MTest::More -le'while ( ($key,$val)=each %INC ) { print "$key  
-> $val" }'
Carp.pm -> /usr/share/perl/5.8/Carp.pm
warnings/register.pm -> /usr/share/perl/5.8/warnings/register.pm
Exporter/Heavy.pm -> /usr/share/perl/5.8/Exporter/Heavy.pm
Exporter.pm -> /usr/share/perl/5.8/Exporter.pm
vars.pm -> /usr/share/perl/5.8/vars.pm
strict.pm -> /usr/share/perl/5.8/strict.pm
Test/Builder/Module.pm -> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7/Test/Builder/ 
Module.pm
Test/Builder.pm -> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7/Test/Builder.pm
warnings.pm -> /usr/share/perl/5.8/warnings.pm
Config.pm -> /usr/lib/perl/5.8/Config.pm
Test/More.pm -> /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.7/Test/More.pm



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From me at heyjay.com  Wed Feb  8 06:24:57 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:24:57 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <8F5882C2-BF6A-45FB-B382-E74A79CF45D7@petdance.com>
References: <200602080002.01885.me@heyjay.com>
	<8F5882C2-BF6A-45FB-B382-E74A79CF45D7@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <200602080824.57422.me@heyjay.com>

On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester wrote:
> > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the Unix 'which', for
> > saying where in
> > the @INC it will find a package?
>
> Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But after it's loaded, yes,
> you look in %INC.
>

I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.  

Thanks
Jay

From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 06:35:50 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:35:50 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] HTML::Tree coverage in Phalanx
In-Reply-To: <C4919570-C6DB-45BD-BCD0-57BA92C584AF@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <20060208143550.9477.qmail@web54709.mail.yahoo.com>

When I worked for Citadel, my scripts triggered
deep-recursion warning when they used
HTML::TreeBuilder and called tree->delete for parsing
eBay listing pages. It did not happen for all but some
(1%?) of the pages. I reported this to the author of
this module.

Maybe someone who still works inCitadel can check the
version of the module. It happened in October and
November of 2005.


--- Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

> 
> OK, HTML::Tree folks: Didn't you guys submit some
> tests for  
> HTML::Tree?  Did I not fold them in?
> 
> I ran some coverage tests on HTML::Tree today, and
> found many  
> functions that were never executed at all, which
> surprised me.
> 
> Did I miss something?
> 
> 
> xoxo,
> Andy
> 
> --
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com
> => AIM:petdance
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> 


From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 06:46:45 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 06:46:45 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <200602080824.57422.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <20060208144645.85736.qmail@web54712.mail.yahoo.com>

I put an alias in my .profile or .kshrc.
It is from "Perl in a Nutshell". Piping its result to
grep or something else to get what you are looking
for.

alias lspm="find `perl -e 'print "@INC"'` -name '*.pm'
-print"


--- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester
> wrote:
> > > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
> Unix 'which', for
> > > saying where in
> > > the @INC it will find a package?
> >
> > Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
> after it's loaded, yes,
> > you look in %INC.
> >
> 
> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.  
> 
> Thanks
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 


From jbalint at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 07:02:41 2006
From: jbalint at gmail.com (Jess Balint)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:02:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <20060208144645.85736.qmail@web54712.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43ea0812.775ec1b6.304e.ffff9ab0@mx.gmail.com>

Here is my shell alias that does it:

perl -MFile::Find -e'sub a{ print $File::Find::name."\n" if(m/pm$/); }
find(\&a, @INC)'

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-talk-bounces at pm.org [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces at pm.org] On
Behalf Of tiger peng
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:47 AM
To: Chicago.pm chatter
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?

I put an alias in my .profile or .kshrc.
It is from "Perl in a Nutshell". Piping its result to
grep or something else to get what you are looking
for.

alias lspm="find `perl -e 'print "@INC"'` -name '*.pm'
-print"


--- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester
> wrote:
> > > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
> Unix 'which', for
> > > saying where in
> > > the @INC it will find a package?
> >
> > Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
> after it's loaded, yes,
> > you look in %INC.
> >
> 
> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.  
> 
> Thanks
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 

_______________________________________________
Chicago-talk mailing list
Chicago-talk at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From jbalint at gmail.com  Wed Feb  8 07:02:41 2006
From: jbalint at gmail.com (Jess Balint)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:02:41 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <20060208144645.85736.qmail@web54712.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <43ea0812.775ec1b6.304e.ffff9ab0@mx.gmail.com>

Here is my shell alias that does it:

perl -MFile::Find -e'sub a{ print $File::Find::name."\n" if(m/pm$/); }
find(\&a, @INC)'

-----Original Message-----
From: chicago-talk-bounces at pm.org [mailto:chicago-talk-bounces at pm.org] On
Behalf Of tiger peng
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 9:47 AM
To: Chicago.pm chatter
Subject: Re: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?

I put an alias in my .profile or .kshrc.
It is from "Perl in a Nutshell". Piping its result to
grep or something else to get what you are looking
for.

alias lspm="find `perl -e 'print "@INC"'` -name '*.pm'
-print"


--- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester
> wrote:
> > > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
> Unix 'which', for
> > > saying where in
> > > the @INC it will find a package?
> >
> > Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
> after it's loaded, yes,
> > you look in %INC.
> >
> 
> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.  
> 
> Thanks
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 

_______________________________________________
Chicago-talk mailing list
Chicago-talk at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From lembark at wrkhors.com  Wed Feb  8 07:30:04 2006
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 10:30:04 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <200602080824.57422.me@heyjay.com>
References: <200602080002.01885.me@heyjay.com>
	<8F5882C2-BF6A-45FB-B382-E74A79CF45D7@petdance.com>
	<200602080824.57422.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <A0BF036229581F4878520479@[192.168.1.9]>



-- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com>

> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester wrote:
>> > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the Unix 'which', for
>> > saying where in
>> > the @INC it will find a package?
>> 
>> Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But after it's loaded, yes,
>> you look in %INC.
>> 
> 
> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.  

For methods or derived modules the "can" operator 
returns a coderef that can be converted into the 
source module and line number:

    my $subref = __PACKAGE__->can( 'frobnicate' );

    my $subref = $pkg_name->can( $method );

    my $subref = $blessed->can( $name );

can all be traced back to the source module and line
number.


-- 
Steven Lembark                                       85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                     1 888 359 3508

From frag at ripco.com  Wed Feb  8 07:35:06 2006
From: frag at ripco.com (Mike Fragassi)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 09:35:06 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <8F5882C2-BF6A-45FB-B382-E74A79CF45D7@petdance.com>
References: <200602080002.01885.me@heyjay.com>
	<8F5882C2-BF6A-45FB-B382-E74A79CF45D7@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0602080916090.18169@shell2>


On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Andy Lester wrote:

> > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the Unix 'which', for
> > saying where in
> > the @INC it will find a package?
>
> Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But after it's loaded, yes,
> you look in %INC.

Better still: install Module::Info from CPAN.
It comes with the script module_info, which lets you do this:

  $> module_info DBI

  Name:        DBI
  Version:     1.42
  Directory:   /usr/local/foo/lib/i686-linux
  File:        /usr/local/foo/lib/i686-linux/DBI.pm
  Core module: no

-- Mike F.

From fire at dls.net  Wed Feb  8 07:42:50 2006
From: fire at dls.net (Bradley Slavik)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 09:42:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0602080916090.18169@shell2>
References: <200602080002.01885.me@heyjay.com>
	<8F5882C2-BF6A-45FB-B382-E74A79CF45D7@petdance.com>
	<Pine.GSO.4.58.0602080916090.18169@shell2>
Message-ID: <20060208154250.C19A7968556@demolition.dls.net>

> 
> On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Andy Lester wrote:
> 
> > > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the Unix 'which', for
> > > saying where in
> > > the @INC it will find a package?

Don't forget about perl wizards, like Merlyn (who lives at Stonehenge).

Bradley

From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 07:58:06 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 07:58:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <200602080824.57422.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <20060208155807.58426.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com>

I stole Andy's idea and add a functoin into my .kshrc.
function perlch {
  pm=$1
  dir=$(echo $pm | sed 's/::/\//g')
  perl -M$pm -le "print $pm, ' = ' ,\$INC{'$dir.pm'}"
}

Then I can perlch
$ perlch DBD::Oracle
DBD::Oracle =
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux-thread-multi/DBD/Oracle.pm

Thanks Andy,



--- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester
> wrote:
> > > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
> Unix 'which', for
> > > saying where in
> > > the @INC it will find a package?
> >
> > Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
> after it's loaded, yes,
> > you look in %INC.
> >
> 
> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.  
> 
> Thanks
> Jay
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 


From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 08:12:03 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:12:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <20060208155807.58426.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20060208161203.61720.qmail@web54708.mail.yahoo.com>

Sorry, forget to quote $pm
perl -M$pm -le "print '$pm', ' = ' ,\$INC{'$dir.pm'}"

--- tiger peng <tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> I stole Andy's idea and add a functoin into my
> .kshrc.
> function perlch {
>   pm=$1
>   dir=$(echo $pm | sed 's/::/\//g')
>   perl -M$pm -le "print $pm, ' = '
> ,\$INC{'$dir.pm'}"
> }
> 
> Then I can perlch
> $ perlch DBD::Oracle
> DBD::Oracle =
>
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux-thread-multi/DBD/Oracle.pm
> 
> Thanks Andy,
> 
> 
> 
> --- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy
> Lester
> > wrote:
> > > > Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
> > Unix 'which', for
> > > > saying where in
> > > > the @INC it will find a package?
> > >
> > > Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
> > after it's loaded, yes,
> > > you look in %INC.
> > >
> > 
> > I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.  
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Jay
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> > 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 


From jason at multiply.org  Wed Feb  8 08:30:05 2006
From: jason at multiply.org (Jason Gessner)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:30:05 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <20060208155807.58426.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060208155807.58426.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6AA27B3D-942D-43B3-B75C-FA529D168123@multiply.org>

you can also just do perldoc -l MODULENAME

i do this all the time:  vim `perldoc -l BLAHBLAH`

-jason

On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:58 AM, tiger peng wrote:

> I stole Andy's idea and add a functoin into my .kshrc.
> function perlch {
>   pm=$1
>   dir=$(echo $pm | sed 's/::/\//g')
>   perl -M$pm -le "print $pm, ' = ' ,\$INC{'$dir.pm'}"
> }
>
> Then I can perlch
> $ perlch DBD::Oracle
> DBD::Oracle =
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux-thread-multi/DBD/ 
> Oracle.pm
>
> Thanks Andy,
>
>
>
> --- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester
>> wrote:
>>>> Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
>> Unix 'which', for
>>>> saying where in
>>>> the @INC it will find a package?
>>>
>>> Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
>> after it's loaded, yes,
>>> you look in %INC.
>>>
>>
>> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Jay
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 08:39:47 2006
From: tigerpeng2001 at yahoo.com (tiger peng)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 08:39:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <6AA27B3D-942D-43B3-B75C-FA529D168123@multiply.org>
Message-ID: <20060208163947.66530.qmail@web54710.mail.yahoo.com>

That's simple! I have never tried the "-l"

--- Jason Gessner <jason at multiply.org> wrote:

> you can also just do perldoc -l MODULENAME
> 
> i do this all the time:  vim `perldoc -l BLAHBLAH`
> 
> -jason
> 
> On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:58 AM, tiger peng wrote:
> 
> > I stole Andy's idea and add a functoin into my
> .kshrc.
> > function perlch {
> >   pm=$1
> >   dir=$(echo $pm | sed 's/::/\//g')
> >   perl -M$pm -le "print $pm, ' = '
> ,\$INC{'$dir.pm'}"
> > }
> >
> > Then I can perlch
> > $ perlch DBD::Oracle
> > DBD::Oracle =
> >
>
/usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux-thread-multi/DBD/
> 
> > Oracle.pm
> >
> > Thanks Andy,
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy
> Lester
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
> >> Unix 'which', for
> >>>> saying where in
> >>>> the @INC it will find a package?
> >>>
> >>> Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
> >> after it's loaded, yes,
> >>> you look in %INC.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Jay
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago-talk mailing list
> >> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> 


From jason at multiply.org  Wed Feb  8 08:45:45 2006
From: jason at multiply.org (Jason Gessner)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 10:45:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <20060208163947.66530.qmail@web54710.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20060208163947.66530.qmail@web54710.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C7D5BA5-AAC3-4019-B709-18433DD0459C@multiply.org>

yeah, that is cool.  I don't recall where i learned about that, but  
it is really handy.

-jason

On Feb 8, 2006, at 10:39 AM, tiger peng wrote:

> That's simple! I have never tried the "-l"
>
> --- Jason Gessner <jason at multiply.org> wrote:
>
>> you can also just do perldoc -l MODULENAME
>>
>> i do this all the time:  vim `perldoc -l BLAHBLAH`
>>
>> -jason
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:58 AM, tiger peng wrote:
>>
>>> I stole Andy's idea and add a functoin into my
>> .kshrc.
>>> function perlch {
>>>   pm=$1
>>>   dir=$(echo $pm | sed 's/::/\//g')
>>>   perl -M$pm -le "print $pm, ' = '
>> ,\$INC{'$dir.pm'}"
>>> }
>>>
>>> Then I can perlch
>>> $ perlch DBD::Oracle
>>> DBD::Oracle =
>>>
>>
> /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux-thread-multi/DBD/
>>
>>> Oracle.pm
>>>
>>> Thanks Andy,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy
>> Lester
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
>>>> Unix 'which', for
>>>>>> saying where in
>>>>>> the @INC it will find a package?
>>>>>
>>>>> Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
>>>> after it's loaded, yes,
>>>>> you look in %INC.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Jay
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>>>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Chicago-talk mailing list
>> Chicago-talk at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk


From lembark at wrkhors.com  Wed Feb  8 12:00:14 2006
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2006 15:00:14 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <4C7D5BA5-AAC3-4019-B709-18433DD0459C@multiply.org>
References: <20060208163947.66530.qmail@web54710.mail.yahoo.com>
	<4C7D5BA5-AAC3-4019-B709-18433DD0459C@multiply.org>
Message-ID: <C7956193B1BE8AA1E3C6AE5C@[192.168.1.9]>



-- Jason Gessner <jason at multiply.org>

> yeah, that is cool.  I don't recall where i learned about that, but  
> it is really handy.

There is always more than one way to be lazy.


-- 
Steven Lembark                                       85-09 90th Street
Workhorse Computing                                Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                     1 888 359 3508

From shijialeee at yahoo.com  Wed Feb  8 20:31:33 2006
From: shijialeee at yahoo.com (James.Q.L)
Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2006 20:31:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <6AA27B3D-942D-43B3-B75C-FA529D168123@multiply.org>
Message-ID: <20060209043133.46801.qmail@web50407.mail.yahoo.com>

--- Jason Gessner <jason at multiply.org> wrote:

> you can also just do perldoc -l MODULENAME

very nice! I would have thought `perl -l MODULENAME` does that.
 
> i do this all the time:  vim `perldoc -l BLAHBLAH`
> 
> -jason

James.

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From me at heyjay.com  Thu Feb  9 08:42:59 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2006 10:42:59 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] is there a perl which?
In-Reply-To: <6AA27B3D-942D-43B3-B75C-FA529D168123@multiply.org>
References: <20060208155807.58426.qmail@web54702.mail.yahoo.com>
	<6AA27B3D-942D-43B3-B75C-FA529D168123@multiply.org>
Message-ID: <aabc51b60602090842t1372b860hf655ece0d2f98189@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Jason,

I like this suggestion.

Thanks
Jay

On 2/8/06, Jason Gessner <jason at multiply.org> wrote:
>
> you can also just do perldoc -l MODULENAME
>
> i do this all the time:  vim `perldoc -l BLAHBLAH`
>
> -jason
>
> On Feb 8, 2006, at 9:58 AM, tiger peng wrote:
>
> > I stole Andy's idea and add a functoin into my .kshrc.
> > function perlch {
> >   pm=$1
> >   dir=$(echo $pm | sed 's/::/\//g')
> >   perl -M$pm -le "print $pm, ' = ' ,\$INC{'$dir.pm'}"
> > }
> >
> > Then I can perlch
> > $ perlch DBD::Oracle
> > DBD::Oracle =
> > /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/i686-linux-thread-multi/DBD/
> > Oracle.pm
> >
> > Thanks Andy,
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday 08 February 2006 12:25 am, Andy Lester
> >> wrote:
> >>>> Is there a function in Perl analygous to the
> >> Unix 'which', for
> >>>> saying where in
> >>>> the @INC it will find a package?
> >>>
> >>> Before it finds it?  Not that I know of.  But
> >> after it's loaded, yes,
> >>> you look in %INC.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I like your way better.  I forgot about %INC.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Jay
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Chicago-talk mailing list
> >> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
> >>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Chicago-talk mailing list
> > Chicago-talk at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
>
> _______________________________________________
> Chicago-talk mailing list
> Chicago-talk at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago-talk
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From andy at petdance.com  Thu Feb 16 09:03:30 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 11:03:30 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Fwd: New Ubuntu and Perl books available from
	O'Reilly Rough Cuts
References: <LYRIS-5882990-28463-2006.02.16-08.36.03--andy#petdance.com@newsletter.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <35CF1A93-D365-4B37-9B88-DDE412E8BBB5@petdance.com>


> From: Marsee Henon <marsee at oreilly.com>
> Date: February 16, 2006 10:36:02 AM CST
> To: andy at petdance.com
> Subject: New Ubuntu and Perl books available from O'Reilly Rough Cuts
>
> Hello,
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From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu  Thu Feb 16 13:36:09 2006
From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:36:09 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] UNIX Position
Message-ID: <490F3E9EEF01B04598860AAB71777B4E2BF80A@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>

If anyone here is seeking employment or knows anyone that is, we're
looking for another UNIX admin.

http://jobs.careerbuilder.com/JobSeeker/Jobs/JobDetails.aspx?IPath=ILK&j
ob_did=J8B4VW5XF0HSB75W42Q&dv=dv&jrdid=&lpage=1&strcrit=QID%3dA665318426
2589%3bst%3dA%3buse%3dALL%3brawWords%3dgsb%3bCID%3dUS%3bSID%3d%3f%3bTID%
3d0%3bENR%3dNO%3bDTP%3dDR3%3bYDI%3dYES%3bIND%3dALL%3bPDQ%3dAll%3bJN%3dAl
l%3bPAYL%3d0%3bPAYH%3dGT120%3bPOY%3dNO%3bETD%3dALL%3bRE%3dALL%3bMGT%3dDC
%3bSUP%3dDC%3bFRE%3d30%3bCHL%3dAL%3bQS%3dSID_UNKNOWN%3bSS%3dNO%3bTITL%3d
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9&sname=

Darren Young
Senior UNIX Admin
University of Chicago
Graduate School of Business

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Thu Feb 16 13:54:29 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 16 Feb 2006 13:54:29 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] UNIX Position
In-Reply-To: <490F3E9EEF01B04598860AAB71777B4E2BF80A@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <490F3E9EEF01B04598860AAB71777B4E2BF80A@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <86lkwbx94a.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Young," == Young, Darren <Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu> writes:

Young,> If anyone here is seeking employment or knows anyone that is, we're
Young,> looking for another UNIX admin.

You might also be looking for metamark.net. :)


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From Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu  Thu Feb 16 13:57:41 2006
From: Darren.Young at ChicagoGSB.edu (Young, Darren)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 15:57:41 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] UNIX Position
Message-ID: <490F3E9EEF01B04598860AAB71777B4E2BF810@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>


> 
> You might also be looking for metamark.net. :)
> 

Funny.. Smart #$!.

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 14:12:45 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:12:45 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free books (I'm moving).
Message-ID: <2715accf0602161412j6824f195l7330e4be01413045@mail.gmail.com>

Well, Chicago folks, now I'm stuck here. My wife and I bought a condo
in Chicago, so that pretty much means we aren't moving back to NewYork
any time soon. :)

Now it's time to dig thought the piles of stuff I've acculumated and
decide what I'm keeping. Here are some of the book that didn't make
the cut and I'm giving out for free (or for the price of postage,
mostly $2.07 for US Media Mail). I'm in Chicago through the weekend,
so maybe I should have a book give-away party. Just think of my house
as eBay, and everything for sale (with some reserve prices).

Spidering Hacks (2 copies)
AppleScript: The Definitive Guide (Panther edition)
AppleScript in a Nutshell
Essential System Administration, 2nd Edition
Mac OS X: The Missing Manual, 2nd Edition
Programming Jabber
MySQL & mSQL
Web Security and Commerce, 1st Edition
DNS and BIND, Third Edition
Regular Expression Recipes
The Debian System
eBay Hacks
Excel Hacks
The Best Software Writing, vol. 1

I'll probably have a lot more to add to that list once piles moves and
I can see other piles.

--
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http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From andy at petdance.com  Thu Feb 16 14:22:00 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:22:00 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free books (I'm moving).
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0602161412j6824f195l7330e4be01413045@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2715accf0602161412j6824f195l7330e4be01413045@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C487F637-E941-4A9F-88CE-6678940A873D@petdance.com>


On Feb 16, 2006, at 4:12 PM, brian d foy wrote:

> Spidering Hacks (2 copies)

What?  The greatest book of all time!?!?!?

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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Thu Feb 16 14:57:50 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Thu, 16 Feb 2006 16:57:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free books (I'm moving).
In-Reply-To: <C487F637-E941-4A9F-88CE-6678940A873D@petdance.com>
References: <2715accf0602161412j6824f195l7330e4be01413045@mail.gmail.com>
	<C487F637-E941-4A9F-88CE-6678940A873D@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0602161457q41bbd1yfc51f2a519848837@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/16/06, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:

> Spidering Hacks (2 copies)
>
> What?  The greatest book of all time!?!?!?

I'm only getting rid of 2 copies. I'm keeping the third. :)

--
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From richard at rushlogistics.com  Fri Feb 17 06:01:13 2006
From: richard at rushlogistics.com (Richard Reina)
Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 06:01:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Free books (I'm moving).
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0602161412j6824f195l7330e4be01413045@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060217140113.12489.qmail@web408.biz.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Brian,
 
 Congratulations to you and your wife on your new condo.  One of these days I've got to make it to the Opera to see her perform.

brian d foy <brian.d.foy at gmail.com> wrote: Well, Chicago folks, now I'm stuck here. My wife and I bought a condo
in Chicago, so that pretty much means we aren't moving back to NewYork
any time soon. :)

Now it's time to dig thought the piles of stuff I've acculumated and
decide what I'm keeping. Here are some of the book that didn't make
the cut and I'm giving out for free (or for the price of postage,
mostly $2.07 for US Media Mail). I'm in Chicago through the weekend,
so maybe I should have a book give-away party. Just think of my house
as eBay, and everything for sale (with some reserve prices).

Spidering Hacks (2 copies)
AppleScript: The Definitive Guide (Panther edition)
AppleScript in a Nutshell
Essential System Administration, 2nd Edition
Mac OS X: The Missing Manual, 2nd Edition
Programming Jabber
MySQL & mSQL
Web Security and Commerce, 1st Edition
DNS and BIND, Third Edition
Regular Expression Recipes
The Debian System
eBay Hacks
Excel Hacks
The Best Software Writing, vol. 1

I'll probably have a lot more to add to that list once piles moves and
I can see other piles.

--
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From me at heyjay.com  Mon Feb 20 09:46:27 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:46:27 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
Message-ID: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>

Hi,

I have a module:

Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract

When a user creates a:

my $tws = Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS->new();

is there a way I could provide a shortcut, in 
Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS, for the user to create a contract, without 
having to build a sub like

sub new_Contract {
    my $self = shift;
    return 
Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract->new(@_);
}

within Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS?

I was thinking something along the lines of:

my $contract = $tws->contract->new();

Maybe by employing AUTOLOAD, or some other means?  I've been messing with 
AUTOLOAD but I can't get it to work.  The above obviously wants the 
$tws->contract to return an object, that can be new'd, whereas I'd like to 
get "new" as a parameter to AUTOLOAD and I could do logic for the proper 
dispatch.

I know I could do $tws->contract('new'), but that doesn't seem OO proper.

Thanks
Jay

From jac at natura.di.uminho.pt  Mon Feb 20 09:57:33 2006
From: jac at natura.di.uminho.pt (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Castro)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:57:33 +0000
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <20060220175733.GA19666@natura.di.uminho.pt>

* Jay Strauss (me at heyjay.com) wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have a module:
> 
> Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract
> 
> When a user creates a:
> 
> my $tws = Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS->new();
> 
> is there a way I could provide a shortcut, in 

Yes.

http://search.cpan.org/~ovid/aliased-0.20/


> Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS, for the user to create a contract, without 
> having to build a sub like
> 
> sub new_Contract {
>     my $self = shift;
>     return 
> Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract->new(@_);
> }
> 
> within Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS?
> 
> I was thinking something along the lines of:
> 
> my $contract = $tws->contract->new();
> 
> Maybe by employing AUTOLOAD, or some other means?  I've been messing with 
> AUTOLOAD but I can't get it to work.  The above obviously wants the 
> $tws->contract to return an object, that can be new'd, whereas I'd like to 
> get "new" as a parameter to AUTOLOAD and I could do logic for the proper 
> dispatch.
> 
> I know I could do $tws->contract('new'), but that doesn't seem OO proper.
> 
> Thanks
> Jay
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From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 12:31:19 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 14:31:19 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/20/06, Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:

> is there a way I could provide a shortcut, in
> Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS, for the user to create a contract, without
> having to build a sub like
>
> sub new_Contract {
>     my $self = shift;
>     return
> Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract->new(@_);
> }

Why don't you want to do it that way? It's easy to understand, doesn't
require any magic, and the user doesn't have to see it. :)

You can make a contract part of the TWS object (whatever that is)
using a has-a relationship.  In Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS, you
have a contract() method that returns the contract object. That then
allows you to do the method chaining that you want.


--
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http://www.pair.com/~comdog/

From me at heyjay.com  Mon Feb 20 14:50:55 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:50:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <20060220175733.GA19666@natura.di.uminho.pt>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
	<20060220175733.GA19666@natura.di.uminho.pt>
Message-ID: <200602201650.55731.me@heyjay.com>

On Monday 20 February 2006 11:57 am, Jos? Castro wrote:
> * Jay Strauss (me at heyjay.com) wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have a module:
> >
> > Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract
> >
> > When a user creates a:
> >
> > my $tws = Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS->new();
> >
> > is there a way I could provide a shortcut, in
>
> Yes.
>
> http://search.cpan.org/~ovid/aliased-0.20/

Thanks, 

I'd prefer not to introduce another prerequisite/dependency in my code.  I'm 
going to look at the source and see if maybe there is a portion I can cut and 
paste without using the whole thing

Jay

From me at heyjay.com  Mon Feb 20 14:54:55 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:54:55 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
	<2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200602201654.55723.me@heyjay.com>


> Why don't you want to do it that way? It's easy to understand, doesn't
> require any magic, and the user doesn't have to see it. :)

The syntax seems non-standard, and I'm just worried about having to 
continually add new stubs as the vendor rolls out new functionality.

> You can make a contract part of the TWS object (whatever that is)
> using a has-a relationship.  In Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS, you
> have a contract() method that returns the contract object. That then
> allows you to do the method chaining that you want.

I don't think I follow you here.  The main thing the user needs to do is ->new 
these objects.  Are you saying somehow return the class that can be new'd?  
If so will you show me a code example?

Thanks
Jay

From me at heyjay.com  Mon Feb 20 15:17:46 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 17:17:46 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
	<2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200602201717.46400.me@heyjay.com>


> You can make a contract part of the TWS object (whatever that is)
> using a has-a relationship.  In Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS, you
> have a contract() method that returns the contract object. That then
> allows you to do the method chaining that you want.

Maybe you meant:

sub contract {
    return "Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract";
}

and then later

$tws->contract->new();

which works, I didn't know you could do it like that

Jay

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 20 16:15:12 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2006 18:15:12 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <200602201654.55723.me@heyjay.com>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
	<2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200602201654.55723.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <2715accf0602201615i5d1b37d2ga751af25e8ff0ab6@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/20/06, Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:

> > You can make a contract part of the TWS object (whatever that is)
> > using a has-a relationship.  In Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS, you
> > have a contract() method that returns the contract object. That then
> > allows you to do the method chaining that you want.
>
> I don't think I follow you here.  The main thing the user needs to do is ->new
> these objects.  Are you saying somehow return the class that can be new'd?
> If so will you show me a code example?

Basically, you use Finance::Interactive::TWS as a controller object.
It keeps track of everything and the user interacts with everything
through it. Behind the scenes you can have plug-ins, dispatchers,
delegates, or whatever you need to get the right objects to do the
right thing. Some CPAN modules handle this sort of thing for you, but
in general they are as much wrok as doing it yourself.

In your Finance::Interactive::TWS constructor, you set up everything.
Your object contains the contract object.

   sub new
      {
      my( $class, @args ) = @_;

      my $self = {}; # or whatever;
      bless $self, $class;

      $self->{_contract} =
Finance::Interactive::TWS::blah::blah:blah->new( @args );

      $self;
      }

Then, to get the contract object, you have a simple accessor (how ever
you want to make that).

   sub contract { my $self = shift; return $self->{_contract} }

In your user script,

   use Finance::Interactive::TWS;

   my $money = Finance::Interactive::TWS->new( ... );

    # this gets the contract object and calls a method on it
   my $whatever = $money->contract->method_name();




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From lembark at wrkhors.com  Mon Feb 27 10:05:55 2006
From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 13:05:55 -0500
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <200602201717.46400.me@heyjay.com>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
	<2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200602201717.46400.me@heyjay.com>
Message-ID: <ABE807D1C5A42757E5C88B1D@[192.168.1.9]>


> Maybe you meant:
> 
> sub contract {
>     return "Finance::InteractiveBrokers::TWS::com::ib::client::Contract";
> }
> 
> and then later
> 
> $tws->contract->new();
> 
> which works, I didn't know you could do it like that

What about just using a variable to store the class in 
a variable?

    my $class =
'Some::Very::Long::Pacakge::Class::You::Want::To::Use::Here';

    my $obj = $class->constructor( @argz );




-- 
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Workhorse Computing                                Woodhaven, NY 11421
lembark at wrkhors.com                                     1 888 359 3508

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Mon Feb 27 11:24:23 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 27 Feb 2006 11:24:23 -0800
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Shortening a module name
In-Reply-To: <ABE807D1C5A42757E5C88B1D@[192.168.1.9]>
References: <200602201146.27932.me@heyjay.com>
	<2715accf0602201231g6c7eaaa2q5771e839f2bb578f@mail.gmail.com>
	<200602201717.46400.me@heyjay.com>
	<ABE807D1C5A42757E5C88B1D@[192.168.1.9]>
Message-ID: <86zmkcy594.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Steven" == Steven Lembark <lembark at wrkhors.com> writes:

Steven> What about just using a variable to store the class in 
Steven> a variable?

Steven>     my $class =
Steven> 'Some::Very::Long::Pacakge::Class::You::Want::To::Use::Here';

Steven>     my $obj = $class->constructor( @argz );

that's a step in the wrong direction.   If you make it a method, you can
override it in a subclass, which is a Good Thing.

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From NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com  Mon Feb 27 12:06:08 2006
From: NStowe at ThorntonTomasetti.com (Stowe, Nola)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 14:06:08 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] CitConf - Continuous Integration and Testing
	Conference (its fre	e)
Message-ID: <A8DB527335656742B82AA4CB101C96FD022AE5E4@mail.windows.thettgroup.com>

http://www.citconf.com/

Overview

Jeffrey Fredrick and Paul Julius are cohosting an event that will focus on
the topics of Continuous Integration and Testing.

The event will use OpenSpaces to structure conversation, understanding and
innovation.

    * What: OpenSpace event discussing all aspects of CI and Testing,
together
    * Where: Chicago, IL
    * When: April 7 & 8, 2006
    * Who: Everyone interested in CI and Testing
    * Cost: Free

People from all manner of projects and places are invited. Pass an
invitation along to anyone that you think will be interested.

In order to finalize the details of time and place we need to get a feel for
how many people are likely to attend. If you are interested in attending
please join the CITCON mailing list.

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From me at heyjay.com  Mon Feb 27 18:31:48 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:31:48 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why do I need "use"
Message-ID: <200602272031.48502.me@heyjay.com>

Hi,

there was a message on the DBI user list, where the guy wanted to know how to 
solve:

Can't locate object method "connect" via package "DBI" (perhaps you
forgot to load "DBI"?) at...

My question is: Why do you have to use "use"?  Perl is so forgiving in many 
cases, and you can load modules at runtime.  Why doesn't Perl just 
automatically load modules it discovers in the source?

Jay

From brian.d.foy at gmail.com  Mon Feb 27 18:49:50 2006
From: brian.d.foy at gmail.com (brian d foy)
Date: Mon, 27 Feb 2006 20:49:50 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why do I need "use"
In-Reply-To: <200602272031.48502.me@heyjay.com>
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On 2/27/06, Jay Strauss <me at heyjay.com> wrote:

> My question is: Why do you have to use "use"?  Perl is so forgiving in many
> cases, and you can load modules at runtime.  Why doesn't Perl just
> automatically load modules it discovers in the source?

There is Class:Autouse if you want that sort of behavior.  Otherwise,
Larry's answer to these sorts of things has been "Because." :)


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From me at heyjay.com  Tue Feb 28 05:52:13 2006
From: me at heyjay.com (Jay Strauss)
Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2006 07:52:13 -0600
Subject: [Chicago-talk] Why do I need "use"
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> There is Class:Autouse if you want that sort of behavior.  Otherwise,
> Larry's answer to these sorts of things has been "Because." :)

seems reasonable :)

Jay