From jepri at webone.com.au Wed Sep 25 18:03:27 2002 From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Staying up late Message-ID: <20020926090327.A6771@ghost> Wow. If you guys are in Australia, I bet you're really tired this morning. At least four people signed up after 1am. Do you guys keep hacker hours or was last night a special occasion? Jeremy From jepri at webone.com.au Thu Sep 26 00:47:22 2002 From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jeremy) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Now with added filller Message-ID: <3d929f6a.4966.0@webone.com.au> You guys must be mailing list pros, because I haven't seen a single 'test post' go by yet. I'll mail out the occasional hello message over the next few days, so do excuse me if you see the same style of message go by twice. If anyone actually has a post that's even vaguely related to perl, you should ask your question before I start a large debate on whether we should rename the list to the 'Lynne Minmei Appreciation Society'. Also, Paul Fenwick of Perl Training Australia (and Melbourne.pm) will be up here next week to give some training courses, and he has offered to give a talk at a Canberra.pm meeting. If we can find a meeting room for next Friday we could get to hear a pretty good perl talk. From michael at james.st Thu Sep 26 01:54:02 2002 From: michael at james.st (Michael James) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Best mail list system In-Reply-To: <3d929f6a.4966.0@webone.com.au> References: <3d929f6a.4966.0@webone.com.au> Message-ID: Hello world, might as well start off topic, Which is a better mail list system mailman or majordomo? I noticed as I subscribed that mailman said "powered by python", but it certainly had all the nice web account manipulation tools. michaelj -- A right not exercised is a privilege a privilege not exercised is illegal. Michael James michael@james.st 8 Brennan St Phone: +61 2 6247 2556 Hackett, ACT 2602 Mobile: +61 4 1747 4065 AUSTRALIA Fax: +61 2 6278 0011 From jepri at webone.com.au Thu Sep 26 08:47:39 2002 From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Stuff from CLUG Message-ID: <20020926234739.C1920@ghost> I had a lively perl discussion with a few people tonight, and I thought I'd give a few samples. Unfortunately I can only remember one of them. Feel free to ask more, sometimes the 'simple' ones can require quite a long answer. They are often hard to find in the perldocs, if they are there at all. The one I can remember is: - Can I get rid of the braces around the test in an if statement? In C you can write: if ( true ) do something; and C will only do something if true is true. In Perl, you always have to write: if ( $true ) { do something } It's a language design choice that irritates C programmers but stops people writing: if ( true ) do something; do something else; and then wondering what went wrong. You can however drop all brackets and braces for very simple if statements like this: print "True" if $true; I also wandered way off course and started babbling about closures, and I managed to confuse lexical closures with dynamic closures. My bad. From jepri at webone.com.au Thu Sep 26 08:51:14 2002 From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jepri) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Best mail list system Message-ID: <20020926235114.E1920@ghost> > Which is a better mail list system mailman or majordomo? As I recall, they are both pretty painful to set up, but mailman has it's own interface, you need to find another program to manage majordomo from a web interface (it might have changed). > I noticed as I subscribed that mailman said "powered by python", > but it certainly had all the nice web account manipulation tools. I'm sure the python people have a good chuckle that the perl groups use python. Well, whatever works :) From sjr at southsky.com.au Thu Sep 26 10:04:25 2002 From: sjr at southsky.com.au (James Ring) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Perl6 Message-ID: <3D9321F9.8050602@southsky.com.au> Hi Mongers, Just quickly I wanted to say 'Hi' to Perl people out there... I am a software engineering student at ANU. I am not particularly skilled in Perl, but I do like the language. This brings me to ask... Has anybody had concerns about Perl6? I haven't kept abreast of the changes that are likely to occur, but I'd like to get a general idea as to peoples' thoughts on the future of Perl. Thanks for your time, James From jepri at webone.com.au Thu Sep 26 18:58:30 2002 From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jeremy) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Re: Perl6 Message-ID: <3d939f26.334f.0@webone.com.au> >Just quickly I wanted to say 'Hi' to Perl people out there... I Hello and welcome. >This brings me to ask... Has anybody had concerns about Perl6? Only that I'll die before they ship it :) The plan is that Perl6 will be everything to everyone, everywhere. The way it's shaping up they just might get there. Did you have anything specific in mind? I can give a ra - ra summary if you're interested: Perl6 is meant to have the sophistication of lisp, but still be simpler than Perl5. It will run anywhere, on anything, and you will be able to compile almost any language to run in the Perl6 engine (Python, Java and C# are the first targets). There will be full support for almost all Perl5 programs, and some people are already joking about writing in support for Perl 1,2,3 and 4. It will get your clothes whiter than white, remind you when you leave your car's lights on and remind you of your anniversary. From jepri at webone.com.au Thu Sep 26 22:49:52 2002 From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jeremy) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Starting meetings Message-ID: <3d93d560.608f.0@webone.com.au> Now that there are a good number of people joined up (I declare 10 to be a 'good' number) I'd like to planning some meetings. I've got some ideas on what to do, but I'd really like to get other peoples ideas first. So I've got some questions for everybody: * Would you come to a meeting at all? Lurking on the list might be taking enough of your time already... * What kind of meeting? Some .pm groups alternate social and technical meetings (e.g. pub one month, coding groups the next). * What would you be interested in seeing on the mailing list? I can pass around tips, tricks, perl news, notice of events... or we can make the list a traditional Q&A resource. * Which bits of perl are you interested in? Do you just want to get a bit more familiar with perl? Become an elite coder? Responses to the list or my address are fine. From jepri at webone.com.au Sun Sep 29 21:36:41 2002 From: jepri at webone.com.au (Jeremy) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Working holiday in Brisbane Message-ID: <3d97b8b9.6385.0@webone.com.au> This came in through the SAGE-AU jobs list. I have to admit, I'm really tempted. Spring in Brissie would be lovely... POSITION: PERL PROGRAMMER (UG / Graduate's OK) LOCATION: Nathan, Brisbane, Australia. PAYRATE: $22.76 / hr DETAILS: Section of Griffith University, Nathan Campus is seeking a Perl programmer to work on a project of approximately 1 month in length. The work is of strategic importance to the University. You would be manipulating data, generating reports, and involved in system development ( in Perl ). Full time availability preferred but hours can be negotiated around study for the right candidate. Immediate start. APPLICATION PROCEDURES: Please email your cover letter and resume to Karl Turnbull at K.turnbull@mailbox.gu.edu.au David. P.S. If you can write reasonable perl (you don't need to be a guru!), and you are in prisbane, this one's for you. We're not really fussy, as we need "immediate start", but you must know perl. Did I mention PERL.? P.P.S You can contact me directly for more technical info (see below), or send resume/CV to my supervisor at the above email address. From pa_bryan at yahoo.co.uk Mon Sep 30 22:40:03 2002 From: pa_bryan at yahoo.co.uk (Paul Bryan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:26:21 2004 Subject: [Canberra-pm] Starting meetings In-Reply-To: <3d93d560.608f.0@webone.com.au> References: <3d93d560.608f.0@webone.com.au> Message-ID: <200210010339.g913dgM24448@babel.cit.act.edu.au> Firstly, a quick intro My name is Paul Bryan and I've been knocking about the CLUG lists/meetings since the start of this year. I work at CIT in the web section - mostly as a sys admin type role. I'm also studing IT/Engineering at ANU but have deferred this semester for various reasons. Ive only been using perl for a few months, though I'm reasonably proficient in c, bash, php and others. Now to the responses: On Friday 27 September 2002 13:49, Jeremy wrote: > Now that there are a good number of people joined up (I declare 10 to be a > 'good' number) I'd like to planning some meetings. I've got some ideas on > what to do, but I'd really like to get other peoples ideas first. So I've > got some questions for everybody: > > * Would you come to a meeting at all? Yes > > Lurking on the list might be taking enough of your time already... > > * What kind of meeting? > > Some .pm groups alternate social and technical meetings (e.g. pub one > month, coding groups the next). If you don't want to do the pub thing I might go have a beer by myself every week anyway! I think alternating social and tech meetings sounds pretty good to me. I'd try and make it to both. Monthly is probably a pretty good frequency. Not too taxing :) > * What would you be interested in seeing on the mailing list? > > I can pass around tips, tricks, perl news, notice of events... or we can > make the list a traditional Q&A resource. I'd like to see a bit of all those things really. I'll be posting some questions shortly me thinks, but some generals tips from more experienced users would be greatly appreciated - gotcha's and the like, that people have come accross in their travels. What news and events would be posted? General perl stuff, specific canberra-pm stuff or a mix of both? I'd be interested in the general stuff possibly but if it's just duplicating what can be easily found elsewhere there's probably not much point. > * Which bits of perl are you interested in? > > Do you just want to get a bit more familiar with perl? Become an elite > coder? > For me, the more perl the better at the moment. I'm really starting to enjoy using perl so I'm going to take it as far as I can (or as far as practical when I resume studying at ANU next year). > > Responses to the list or my address are fine. > > > _______________________________________________ > Canberra-pm mailing list > Canberra-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/canberra-pm Cheers, Paul.