From wallen at lug.boulder.co.us Fri Jan 10 16:42:19 2003 From: wallen at lug.boulder.co.us (J. Wayde Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] ISART 2003 Symposium Message-ID: ISART 2003 Symposium ======================== The International Symposium on Advanced Radio Technologies (ISART) will be held March 4 - 7, 2003 at the Department of Commerce Boulder Laboratories, 325 Broadway, Boulder, Colorado. The technical program is intended to serve the engineering and business communities, and will focus on issues dealing with the state of the art and future trends in radio technology, spectrum regulation, and policy. Specific Topics: - Spectrum: usage, policy, management, regulation, economics, sharing mechanisms. - Electromagnetics: propagation, antennas, RF-front ends. - Broadband Deployment: regulation, marketing, economics, wireless systems. - Wireless Networks: scaling to large networks, ad hoc networks, Internet over wireless, convergence of WLANs and 3G. - Telecommunications in Developing Countries: policy, economics, regulation, and technology. - Radios: software defined radios, RF software, spectrally efficient systems. - Public Safety: emergency response communications, wireless network security. Date: March 4 - 7, 2003 Information: http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/meetings/art/index.html Where: U.S. Department of Commerce Boulder Laboratories 325 Broadway, Boulder, CO Registration: http://www.its.bldrdoc.gov/meetings/art/registration.html Contacts: Wayde Allen, ITS e-mail: wallen@its.bldrdoc.gov Tel.: 303-497-5871 Dr. Timothy X Brown, University of Colorado Boulder e-mail: Timxb@Colorado.EDU Tel.: 303-492-1630 From davep at kinaole.org Thu Jan 16 08:24:11 2003 From: davep at kinaole.org (Dave Price) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] Spamassassin broke - File::Spec version Message-ID: <20030116072411.C7533@kinaole.org> oops! I did a debian security update, and it broke my spamassassin. Noew i get: [07:22:18][davep@dbx:~]$ spamassassin File::Spec version 0.8 required--this is only version 0.6 at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 66. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 66. - I tried rebuilding spamassassin (no errors) as well as going to cpan for a new File::Spec - no joy. Any ideas how to go about fixing this? aloha, dave From emgrasso at data-raptors.com Thu Jan 16 10:22:18 2003 From: emgrasso at data-raptors.com (Elyse Grasso) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] Spamassassin broke - File::Spec version In-Reply-To: <20030116072411.C7533@kinaole.org> References: <20030116072411.C7533@kinaole.org> Message-ID: <200301160922.18826.emgrasso@data-raptors.com> Try grabbing the correct version of the File::Spec perl module from CPAN. On Thursday 16 January 2003 07:24 am, Dave Price wrote: > oops! > > I did a debian security update, and it broke my spamassassin. > > Noew i get: > [07:22:18][davep@dbx:~]$ spamassassin > File::Spec version 0.8 required--this is only version 0.6 at > /usr/local/lib/site_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 66. > BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at > /usr/local/lib/site_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 66. > > - > I tried rebuilding spamassassin (no errors) as well as going to cpan for > a new File::Spec - no joy. > > Any ideas how to go about fixing this? > > aloha, > dave > > _______________________________________________ > Boulder-pm mailing list > Boulder-pm@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boulder-pm > > From charlesa at pobox.com Thu Jan 16 11:29:28 2003 From: charlesa at pobox.com (Charles Albrecht) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] Spamassassin broke - File::Spec version In-Reply-To: <20030116072411.C7533@kinaole.org> References: <20030116072411.C7533@kinaole.org> Message-ID: At 7:24 AM -0700 1/16/2003, Dave Price wrote: >oops! > >I did a debian security update, and it broke my spamassassin. > >Noew i get: >[07:22:18][davep@dbx:~]$ spamassassin >File::Spec version 0.8 required--this is only version 0.6 at >/usr/local/lib/site_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 66. >BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at >/usr/local/lib/site_perl/Mail/SpamAssassin.pm line 66. > >- >I tried rebuilding spamassassin (no errors) as well as going to cpan for >a new File::Spec - no joy. > >Any ideas how to go about fixing this? If you've installed the latest 0.82, it might be possible that the security update messed with @INC and you're not seeing your site_perl early enough. A quick test would be to pull the 0.6 version and see whether spamassassin is happier, but if it's problems with @INC, it's naturally better to fix them if you generally leave the original modules in place when you upgrade into site_perl. -Charles charlesa@pobox.com From davep at kinaole.org Thu Jan 16 15:31:05 2003 From: davep at kinaole.org (Dave Price) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] solved: Spamassassin broke - File::Spec version In-Reply-To: ; from charlesa@pobox.com on Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:29:28AM -0700 References: <20030116072411.C7533@kinaole.org> Message-ID: <20030116143105.A12866@kinaole.org> On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 10:29:28AM -0700, Charles Albrecht wrote: > At 7:24 AM -0700 1/16/2003, Dave Price wrote: > >oops! > > I reinstalled File::Spec 0.80 by hand, and saw the error messages about duplicate versions. make install UNINST=1 fixed everything just fine. Not sure what apt-get upgrade did to my install tho. aloha, dave From walter at frii.com Thu Jan 16 18:52:24 2003 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] text editor wars Message-ID: <20030116174838.D30622@io.frii.com> It was bound to happen. My daughter wants emacs. Her CU professor wants the class to use emacs. Well, as the saying goes, "There is only one emacs, and its name is emacs." No, wait a minute, there are several emacses. I moved away from emacs years ago, and have no real familiarity with the schism within the realm. Opinions on the best emacs that money can['t] buy, so I can install it for my l'il darling? Walter From jkominek at miranda.org Thu Jan 16 19:35:59 2003 From: jkominek at miranda.org (Jay F Kominek) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] text editor wars In-Reply-To: <20030116174838.D30622@io.frii.com> References: <20030116174838.D30622@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <20030117013559.GJ23490@miranda.org> On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:52:24PM -0700, Walter Pienciak wrote: > It was bound to happen. > > My daughter wants emacs. Her CU professor wants the class > to use emacs. CSCI1300? Thats pretty standard. As I understand it, the profs for that course have enough trouble helping people figure out how to use UNIX/C/etc that they don't want to have to deal with a variety of editors, as well. > Well, as the saying goes, "There is only one emacs, and its > name is emacs." No, wait a minute, there are several emacses. gnu emacs, and xemacs are the only ones that aren't just clones, of which I'm aware. There are other things like JEmacs, which is some scheme/java monster with emacs key bindings, but that doesn't count in my book. > Opinions on the best emacs that money can['t] buy, so I can > install it for my l'il darling? Last I heard, they were telling students to install GNU Emacs. Which seems to have a smaller footprint (both disk and memory) to me. I'm not aware of anything xemacs does that a beginner would have much reason to use. Of the small emacs clones, I prefer jove. It has all the common key bindings, but you can't use it as your MUA/news reader/web broswer/gaming platform. Also: http://wiw.org/~unslider/perllinux/aced/ :) -- Jay Kominek Don't worry, Things have an annoying tendency to work out. From rise at knavery.net Thu Jan 16 21:48:27 2003 From: rise at knavery.net (rise) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] text editor wars In-Reply-To: <20030116174838.D30622@io.frii.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Well, as the saying goes, "There is only one emacs, and its name is > emacs." No, wait a minute, there are several emacses. That's Emacsen I believe. > I moved away from emacs years ago, and have no real familiarity with > the schism within the realm. > > Opinions on the best emacs that money can['t] buy, so I can install > it for my l'il darling? I'm very happy with GNU Emacs, I tried both a while back and found I preferred the GNU version mainly for taste reasons. The old reasons to choose XEmacs were mainly the X support and more recently font locking (== syntax highlighting) in text terminals and both have fallen by the wayside. As far as features they're close to identical as of GNU Emacs 21 and most packages run fine under either version. There are a lot of out of date comparisons of recent versions of XEmacs to old versions of GNU Emacs that talk about various X features that are now common to both. My impression is that GNU Emacs development is now slightly more active than XEmacs (especially in internationalization), but either will do the job just fine. As far as books go there are more that cover GNU Emacs, but that gap is closing as well. Disclaimer: I actually like running the CVS HEAD version of GNU Emacs, so I'm clearly mildly deranged on this topic. -- Jonathan Conway From ljp at llornkcor.com Thu Jan 16 20:18:17 2003 From: ljp at llornkcor.com (ljp) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] text editor wars In-Reply-To: <20030117013559.GJ23490@miranda.org> Message-ID: I use uemacs on my zaurus. :) Tiny, very tiny. No lisp 1/16/2003 6:35:59 PM, Jay F Kominek wrote: >On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:52:24PM -0700, Walter Pienciak wrote: >> It was bound to happen. >> >> My daughter wants emacs. Her CU professor wants the class >> to use emacs. > >CSCI1300? Thats pretty standard. As I understand it, the profs >for that course have enough trouble helping people figure out >how to use UNIX/C/etc that they don't want to have to deal with >a variety of editors, as well. > >> Well, as the saying goes, "There is only one emacs, and its >> name is emacs." No, wait a minute, there are several emacses. > >gnu emacs, and xemacs are the only ones that aren't just clones, >of which I'm aware. There are other things like JEmacs, which >is some scheme/java monster with emacs key bindings, but that >doesn't count in my book. > >> Opinions on the best emacs that money can['t] buy, so I can >> install it for my l'il darling? > >Last I heard, they were telling students to install GNU Emacs. >Which seems to have a smaller footprint (both disk and memory) >to me. I'm not aware of anything xemacs does that a beginner >would have much reason to use. > >Of the small emacs clones, I prefer jove. It has all the common key >bindings, but you can't use it as your MUA/news reader/web >broswer/gaming platform. > >Also: http://wiw.org/~unslider/perllinux/aced/ :) > >-- >Jay Kominek >Don't worry, >Things have an annoying tendency to work out. >_______________________________________________ >Boulder-pm mailing list >Boulder-pm@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/boulder-pm > From nagler at bivio.biz Fri Jan 17 10:35:31 2003 From: nagler at bivio.biz (Rob Nagler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] text editor wars In-Reply-To: References: <20030116174838.D30622@io.frii.com> Message-ID: <15912.12499.765000.472885@gargle.gargle.HOWL> rise writes: > preferred the GNU version mainly for taste reasons. How do you like your GNU, medium or rare? I've never tried it, but I've heard it takes just like pork. Rob P.S. If you need a recipe, I recommend starting with the JoC Armadillo as a base: "ARMADILLO Under its shell this small scaly creature has a light meat, porklike in flavor. Draw and cut free from the shell: 1 armadillo Discard fat and all but the back meat. Wash thoroughly in cold water and soak overnight refrigerated in cold water. Drain and dry. To cook, cut into pieces. Brush well with: Butter or vegetable oil Broil until the meat is a rich brown. Season to taste and serve at once." -- Joy of Cooking, Irma Rombauer et al, 1985, p. 516. From walter at frii.com Fri Jan 17 12:08:44 2003 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:25:48 2004 Subject: [Boulder.pm] text editor wars In-Reply-To: <20030117013559.GJ23490@miranda.org> References: <20030116174838.D30622@io.frii.com> <20030117013559.GJ23490@miranda.org> Message-ID: <20030117110248.P48799@io.frii.com> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Jay F Kominek wrote: > On Thu, Jan 16, 2003 at 05:52:24PM -0700, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > It was bound to happen. > > > > My daughter wants emacs. Her CU professor wants the class > > to use emacs. > > CSCI1300? Thats pretty standard. As I understand it, the profs > for that course have enough trouble helping people figure out > how to use UNIX/C/etc that they don't want to have to deal with > a variety of editors, as well. Could be. It's an intro programming course in C++, and what you say is as I suspected. It's a reasonable position that the prof has too, my own lack of enthusiasm for Bach organ fugues and the grand chords of Stallman's beast notwithstanding. The consensus is overwhelmingly for GNU (as opposed to X/Lucid), with one vote for armadillo. Rob is coming over for lunch, and if he's still being silly I may have to force some bourbon down his throat to settle him down. Walter