From walter at frii.com Fri Aug 23 10:32:47 2002 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] config modules? Message-ID: Hi, I'm needing to separate out some config information into a separate file, and traditionally I've always just done a Perlish thing like main.pl: require somefile; somefile: %owners = ( 'someresource' => 'somebody@mycompany', 'somethingelse' => 'someoneelse', ); but this time nonprogrammer types will be using it, so . . . There seem to ba about a half-zillion config modules out there now. Anyone have any favorites? I can dig around, but this list has been so quiet . . . I thought I'd poke it ;^) Walter From KSmith at netLibrary.com Fri Aug 23 11:21:24 2002 From: KSmith at netLibrary.com (Keanan Smith) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] config modules? Message-ID: <8B499C5ACCA965439B3F6712E7ADABBD0DD287@mailman.netlibrary.com> Well, personally, I don't like giving my non-programmer users the ability to edit their configuration in any way except through an Interface I give them, but I'm paranoid like that. *grin* Probably an XML would work the best for a config file of the sort you're talking about, Data::Dumper (freeze/thaw) should work quite nicely for storing some amount of data, but isn't particularly editable. Depends on how complicated you want to get, you could just have it be a plain old text file, and regexp all your configs out. -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Friday, August 23, 2002 9:33 AM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: [boulder.pm] config modules? Hi, I'm needing to separate out some config information into a separate file, and traditionally I've always just done a Perlish thing like main.pl: require somefile; somefile: %owners = ( 'someresource' => 'somebody@mycompany', 'somethingelse' => 'someoneelse', ); but this time nonprogrammer types will be using it, so . . . There seem to ba about a half-zillion config modules out there now. Anyone have any favorites? I can dig around, but this list has been so quiet . . . I thought I'd poke it ;^) Walter From nagler at bivio.biz Fri Aug 23 12:12:50 2002 From: nagler at bivio.biz (Rob Nagler) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] config modules? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15718.27922.515000.462626@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Walter Pienciak writes: > but this time nonprogrammer types will be using it, so . . . My approach to this has always been to write a simple validator, which can be as simple as: perl -w somefile Another thing I do is insert "use strict" when evaluating the file, e.g. my($config) = eval('use strict; ' . read_file('somefile')) || die($@); Finally, don't use local vars, e.g. %owners, make the entire file a hash reference, e.g. { owners => { someresource => 'somebody@mycompany', somethingelse => 'someoneelse', }, }; Then you can expand the check above with: die("syntax error") unless ref($config) eq 'HASH'; You can parse $@ to clean up the error messages, but I don't believe you will do any better by using a *.ini or any other format. Perl's parser is very good, and any other parser is going to be second-rate, because it doesn't get nearly the amount of (ab)use that "eval" does. Rob P.S. We use this approach at bivio with registered configuration. Visit http://petshop.bivio.biz/src?s=Bivio::IO::Config for the code and we structure it with: http://petshop.bivio.biz/src?s=Bivio::BConf recently added a "merge_dir" which searches /etc/bconf.d just like bash searches /etc/profile.d. From fibonaci at babylonia.flatirons.org Fri Aug 23 23:57:59 2002 From: fibonaci at babylonia.flatirons.org (Luke Palmer) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] config modules? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 23 Aug 2002, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Hi, > > I'm needing to separate out some config information into a separate > file, and traditionally I've always just done a Perlish thing like > > main.pl: > require somefile; > > somefile: > %owners = ( > 'someresource' => 'somebody@mycompany', > 'somethingelse' => 'someoneelse', > ); > > but this time nonprogrammer types will be using it, so . . . > > There seem to ba about a half-zillion config modules out there > now. Anyone have any favorites? I can dig around, but this list > has been so quiet . . . I thought I'd poke it ;^) YAML. It's beautiful. http://www.yaml.org > Walter > From walter at frii.com Thu Aug 29 11:47:17 2002 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: Hi, It's 2002, so I guess we ought to have a meeting. Any preferences for place/day/time? (We have used restaurants, the CU UMC, and SoftPro in the past.) Any offers to speak for 5+ minutes on a Perlish topic of your choice? I also received a small box of goodies from SAMS Publishing yesterday that I need to distribute (nothing amazing, but a few books, including the mod_perl Developer's Cookbook, for reading/review). Walter From KSmith at netLibrary.com Thu Aug 29 12:16:01 2002 From: KSmith at netLibrary.com (Keanan Smith) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: <8B499C5ACCA965439B3F6712E7ADABBD5BCF96@mailman.netlibrary.com> Hmm, preferably (for me) on a wednesday or friday afternoon, resturaunt would probably be the best choice, I guess ;) -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:47 AM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Hi, It's 2002, so I guess we ought to have a meeting. Any preferences for place/day/time? (We have used restaurants, the CU UMC, and SoftPro in the past.) Any offers to speak for 5+ minutes on a Perlish topic of your choice? I also received a small box of goodies from SAMS Publishing yesterday that I need to distribute (nothing amazing, but a few books, including the mod_perl Developer's Cookbook, for reading/review). Walter From donald.g.lewis at lmco.com Thu Aug 29 13:12:10 2002 From: donald.g.lewis at lmco.com (Lewis, Donald G) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BBF@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> How many are in the group and how many do you expect to attend a meeting? - Don Lewis | From walter at frii.com Thu Aug 29 13:24:32 2002 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BBF@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Lewis, Donald G wrote: > How many are in the group and how many do you expect to attend a meeting? - > Don Lewis We have 65 addresses on the list, and how many would show up? Dunno. We'll have to wait for some replies to know for sure. If I had to guess, I'd say 5-15. Walter From fibonaci at babylonia.flatirons.org Thu Aug 29 13:29:55 2002 From: fibonaci at babylonia.flatirons.org (Luke Palmer) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: <8B499C5ACCA965439B3F6712E7ADABBD5BCF96@mailman.netlibrary.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Keanan Smith wrote: > Hmm, preferably (for me) on a wednesday or friday afternoon, resturaunt > would probably be the best choice, I guess ;) Those times would be good for me too. > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:47 AM > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? > > > Hi, > > It's 2002, so I guess we ought to have a meeting. > > Any preferences for place/day/time? (We have used restaurants, the > CU UMC, and SoftPro in the past.) > > Any offers to speak for 5+ minutes on a Perlish topic of your choice? Yep. I'll talk on dynamic NFAs and how they can be used to implement backrefrencing regexes in polynomial time, and the implications that has on other areas of pattern matching. I'll be publishing a paper on that soon, too :). I'll need adequate preparation time: at least two weeks. I don't think anyone was planning any time sooner than that anyway. Or if enough people had no idea what that first paragraph meant, I'll figure out something else to talk about. Intro to Perl 6? Or do too _many_ people already know that? > I also received a small box of goodies from SAMS Publishing yesterday > that I need to distribute (nothing amazing, but a few books, including > the mod_perl Developer's Cookbook, for reading/review). Luke From jason_van_slyke at hotmail.com Thu Aug 29 14:01:13 2002 From: jason_van_slyke at hotmail.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: hhhhmmmm! a 4 o'clock'ish mtg might work for me, but I can't promise to make it. New job, lots of work, got classes Mon and Wed and other commitments Tue and Thu. Life is busy! Jason >From: Keanan Smith >Reply-To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >To: "'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'" > >Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] meeting? >Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2002 11:16:01 -0600 > >Hmm, preferably (for me) on a wednesday or friday afternoon, resturaunt >would probably be the best choice, I guess ;) > >-----Original Message----- >From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:47 AM >To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org >Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? > > >Hi, > >It's 2002, so I guess we ought to have a meeting. > >Any preferences for place/day/time? (We have used restaurants, the >CU UMC, and SoftPro in the past.) > >Any offers to speak for 5+ minutes on a Perlish topic of your choice? > >I also received a small box of goodies from SAMS Publishing yesterday >that I need to distribute (nothing amazing, but a few books, including >the mod_perl Developer's Cookbook, for reading/review). > >Walter _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From lynnd at techangle.com Thu Aug 29 14:29:42 2002 From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? References: Message-ID: <3D6E7626.90307@techangle.com> Walter Pienciak wrote: > > It's 2002, so I guess we ought to have a meeting. > > Any preferences for place/day/time? (We have used restaurants, the > CU UMC, and SoftPro in the past.) I'd like to show up if I can make it. Softpro's a great place and Shane tells me that he has up to 16 chairs. The store officially closes at 7:00 p.m.. He's willing to keep the store open for us. We could have the place to ourselves for an hour or two after closing. He asks only that we verify the date with him . Lynn From donald.g.lewis at lmco.com Thu Aug 29 14:23:33 2002 From: donald.g.lewis at lmco.com (Lewis, Donald G) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BC0@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> Do you think it would make a difference if we had an interesting speaker and a location conducive to that type of meeting? - Don Lewis | -----Original Message----- | From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] | Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:25 PM | To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' | Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] meeting? | | | On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Lewis, Donald G wrote: | | > How many are in the group and how many do you expect to | attend a meeting? - | > Don Lewis | | We have 65 addresses on the list, and how many would show | up? Dunno. | We'll have to wait for some replies to know for sure. If I | had to guess, | I'd say 5-15. | | Walter | From walter at frii.com Thu Aug 29 14:55:11 2002 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BC0@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Lewis, Donald G wrote: > Do you think it would make a difference if we had an interesting speaker and > a location conducive to that type of meeting? > - Don Lewis Yes, in fact it'd be hard to settle on a meeting place until we knew if anyone had a "formal" presentation/talk. Do you have a suggestion? Walter From davep at kinaole.org Thu Aug 29 15:25:42 2002 From: davep at kinaole.org (Dave Price) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: ; from walter@frii.com on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 12:24:32PM -0600 References: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BBF@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <20020829142542.K18655@kinaole.org> I would like to attend if it is near Denver - softpro in the tech center is ideal. Boulder is a bit far. aloha, dave From KSmith at netLibrary.com Thu Aug 29 15:40:37 2002 From: KSmith at netLibrary.com (Keanan Smith) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: <8B499C5ACCA965439B3F6712E7ADABBD5BCF9F@mailman.netlibrary.com> You'll note the name of this mailing list is 'boulder-pm-list' Personally, I don't own a car, and am not interested in going to denver for such a meeting. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Price [mailto:davep@kinaole.org] Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 2:26 PM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] meeting? I would like to attend if it is near Denver - softpro in the tech center is ideal. Boulder is a bit far. aloha, dave From fibonaci at babylonia.flatirons.org Thu Aug 29 16:14:30 2002 From: fibonaci at babylonia.flatirons.org (Luke Palmer) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Walter Pienciak wrote: > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Lewis, Donald G wrote: > > > Do you think it would make a difference if we had an interesting speaker and > > a location conducive to that type of meeting? > > - Don Lewis > > Yes, in fact it'd be hard to settle on a meeting place until we knew > if anyone had a "formal" presentation/talk. Do you have a suggestion? Define "formal." I'd need a projector of some sort (just can't do it without slides). Softpro sounded nice :) Luke From lynnd at techangle.com Thu Aug 29 17:18:17 2002 From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? References: Message-ID: <3D6E9DA9.1010806@techangle.com> Luke Palmer wrote: > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Walter Pienciak wrote: >>Yes, in fact it'd be hard to settle on a meeting place until we knew >>if anyone had a "formal" presentation/talk. Do you have a suggestion? >> > > Define "formal." I'd need a projector of some sort (just can't do it > without slides). Softpro sounded nice :) I might be able to get my hands on a projector. I can't guarantee it would do higher than SVGA resolution. Would we need a projection screen too? I can't remember if the walls at Softpro might work OK or not. Lynn From donald.g.lewis at lmco.com Thu Aug 29 18:25:39 2002 From: donald.g.lewis at lmco.com (Lewis, Donald G) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BC4@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> I have access to a VGA projector, a overhead projector and large screen. Boulder would be a more interesting location to me. Places like NIST, NOAA, allow these kinds of presentations. IBM and CU are other possibilities. Boulder has lots of small meeting locations. - Don Lewis | -----Original Message----- | From: Luke Palmer [mailto:fibonaci@babylonia.flatirons.org] | Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:15 PM | To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' | Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] meeting? | | | On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Walter Pienciak wrote: | | > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Lewis, Donald G wrote: | > | > > Do you think it would make a difference if we had an | interesting speaker and | > > a location conducive to that type of meeting? | > > - Don Lewis | > | > Yes, in fact it'd be hard to settle on a meeting place | until we knew | > if anyone had a "formal" presentation/talk. Do you have | a suggestion? | | Define "formal." I'd need a projector of some sort (just | can't do it | without slides). Softpro sounded nice :) | | Luke | From lynnd at techangle.com Thu Aug 29 19:23:54 2002 From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? References: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BC4@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: <3D6EBB1A.5090905@techangle.com> Lewis, Donald G wrote: > I have access to a VGA projector, a overhead projector and large screen. > Boulder would be a more interesting location to me. Places like NIST, NOAA, > allow these kinds of presentations. Is NIST allowing user group presentations again? The Boulder LUG got kicked out of NIST after last September 11th. I understood that all goverment buildings were closed to public use at that time. Are you sure that's changed? Lynn From walter at frii.com Thu Aug 29 19:57:16 2002 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BC3@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Lewis, Donald G wrote: > Does the talk have to be about perl? Sometimes we can get a very interesting > talk in the area of general science, mathmetics, other software related > areas. Though I do understand the bent of the group is around perl if there > is general interest the perl stuff would probably be worked over in a more > informal way. Just trying to get a feel for what the boundries are. > > - Don Lewis Hi, Two things, to cover a few folks' comments: The meeting will be in Boulder somewhere, not in Denver or the Tech Center. We haven't had a meeting in a while, but some of us see each other from time to time elsewhere, and I can say confidently that this is an eclectic bunch of people. Perl is the specific common ground here, but I daresay people would be open to an interesting talk on about anything. When we have met in the past, topics have wandered all over the place. No matter what we talk about, Perl will worm its way into the meeting. Hell, at the Open Source conference, two of the keynotes were about bioinformatics -- this to a bunch of Linux/Perl geeks. Now, that's quite an opening, so fire away. Here are some topics. Anyone want to choose one? What Does Microsoft Spend All That Money On? (It Ain't QC) Extreme Programming is the Way Comprehensive Software Engineering Methodologies Kick Ass How Not To Manage Software Projects The End Is Coming Why Procedural Programming Is For Dinosaurs Why Object-Oriented Programming Is For Ivory Tower Pinheads Perl 6 Is From the Devil $YOUR_BEER Sucks -- $MY_BEER rules What Is Wrong With $CLPMer Anyway? Walter From nagler at bivio.biz Thu Aug 29 21:11:37 2002 From: nagler at bivio.biz (Rob Nagler) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <15726.54361.573000.253787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> > Any offers to speak for 5+ minutes on a Perlish topic of your choice? Meeting sounds like fun. I get bored losing to Walter in disc golf. :-( I could introduce Extreme Programming as it applies to Perl. Alternatively, I could talk about creating little languages using AUTOLOAD. Depends on the audience. Rob From zeb at utalk.org Thu Aug 29 21:18:53 2002 From: zeb at utalk.org (lz) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? The End Is Coming In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1209274976.20020829201853@utalk.org> Hello Walter, Sent this to a philosophy list, what is pearl's view? >From another list; G wrote: > I have access to a VGA projector, a overhead projector and large screen. > Boulder would be a more interesting location to me. Places like NIST, NOAA, > allow these kinds of presentations. A reply; Is NIST allowing user group presentations again? The Boulder UG got kicked out of NIST after last September 11th. I understood that all government buildings were closed to public use at that time. Are you sure that's changed? Historians believe that on Thursday, August 29, 2002 Walter Pienciak wrote and made these points on the subject of "[boulder.pm] meeting?": > On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, Lewis, Donald G wrote: >> Does the talk have to be about perl? Sometimes we can get a very interesting >> talk in the area of general science, mathmetics, other software related >> areas. Though I do understand the bent of the group is around perl if there >> is general interest the perl stuff would probably be worked over in a more >> informal way. Just trying to get a feel for what the boundries are. >> >> - Don Lewis > Hi, > Two things, to cover a few folks' comments: > The meeting will be in Boulder somewhere, not in Denver or the Tech Center. > We haven't had a meeting in a while, but some of us see each other from > time to time elsewhere, and I can say confidently that this is an eclectic > bunch of people. Perl is the specific common ground here, but I daresay > people would be open to an interesting talk on about anything. When we > have met in the past, topics have wandered all over the place. No matter > what we talk about, Perl will worm its way into the meeting. Hell, at > the Open Source conference, two of the keynotes were about bioinformatics > -- this to a bunch of Linux/Perl geeks. > Now, that's quite an opening, so fire away. > Here are some topics. Anyone want to choose one? > What Does Microsoft Spend All That Money On? (It Ain't QC) > Extreme Programming is the Way > Comprehensive Software Engineering Methodologies Kick Ass > How Not To Manage Software Projects > The End Is Coming > Why Procedural Programming Is For Dinosaurs > Why Object-Oriented Programming Is For Ivory Tower Pinheads > Perl 6 Is From the Devil > $YOUR_BEER Sucks -- $MY_BEER rules > What Is Wrong With $CLPMer Anyway? > Walter -- Best regards, Lamar mailto:zeb@utalk.org "You are richer today if you have laughed, given or forgiven." From davep at kinaole.org Thu Aug 29 22:18:34 2002 From: davep at kinaole.org (Dave Price) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? (frisbee golf) In-Reply-To: <15726.54361.573000.253787@gargle.gargle.HOWL>; from nagler@bivio.biz on Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 08:11:37PM -0600 References: <15726.54361.573000.253787@gargle.gargle.HOWL> Message-ID: <20020829211834.R18655@kinaole.org> On Thu, Aug 29, 2002 at 08:11:37PM -0600, Rob Nagler wrote: > > Meeting sounds like fun. I get bored losing to Walter in disc > golf. :-( > disc golf!!! now there's a reason to go to boulder. aloha, dave From jsimoni at totalsite.com Thu Aug 29 22:26:44 2002 From: jsimoni at totalsite.com (Justin Simoni) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > and I can say confidently that this is an eclectic > bunch of people. Some of us: http://www.justinsimoni.com/photos/the_misfit_leprechan.jpg http://www.justinsimoni.com/photos/nerd2002.jpg http://www.justinsimoni.com/photos/blackflag.jpg Are eclectic all by ourselves :) js # shopping carts are fun! if ( $C{PRODUCT_FIELD_TYPES}->{$f}->{-type} eq 'list' ){ my @l = split(',', $product->{$f}); foreach(@l){ $_ = trim($_) } $product->{$f} = \@l; } } From walter at frii.com Thu Aug 29 23:53:41 2002 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? The End Is Coming In-Reply-To: <1209274976.20020829201853@utalk.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Aug 2002, lz wrote: > Hello Walter, > > Sent this to a philosophy list, what is pearl's view? Pearl's view is that nothing is the case that would make it false for me to say that your e-mail looks like a reply to me, though I do not mean to imply that I or anyone else is or might be inclined to deny that, or doubt whether it is a reply. Epistemologically yours, Walter From donald.g.lewis at lmco.com Fri Aug 30 09:00:10 2002 From: donald.g.lewis at lmco.com (Lewis, Donald G) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? Message-ID: <6D5BFD6B8FB1D31192F90008C74B68170C729BC5@emss02m03.ems.lmco.com> I checked and they still are not allowing public use - guess my memory of the past did not include things since 9/11. - DonL | -----Original Message----- | From: Lynn Danielson [mailto:lynnd@techangle.com] | Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 6:24 PM | To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org | Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] meeting? | | | Lewis, Donald G wrote: | > I have access to a VGA projector, a overhead projector | and large screen. | > Boulder would be a more interesting location to me. | Places like NIST, NOAA, | > allow these kinds of presentations. | | Is NIST allowing user group presentations again? The | Boulder LUG got | kicked out of NIST after last September 11th. I understood that all | goverment buildings were closed to public use at that time. Are you | sure that's changed? | | Lynn | From lynnd at techangle.com Fri Aug 30 11:16:21 2002 From: lynnd at techangle.com (Lynn Danielson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:45 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] meeting? References: Message-ID: <3D6F9A55.4010900@techangle.com> Walter Pienciak wrote: > Here are some topics. Anyone want to choose one? > > $YOUR_BEER Sucks -- $MY_BEER rules It takes a bitter man to enjoy my beer. If you're not a bitter man yet, perhaps you will be by the end of this meeting. %-^) Lynn