From walter at frii.com Mon Aug 6 12:07:49 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:34 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] hi Message-ID: Hi, perlfolk, I feel . . . human again. I took a week of vacation, a week at the Perl conference in San Diego, and another week of vacation. Nobody at work contacted me with an "emergency" and I only had 1700 e-mails to deal with when I got back this morning. Nothing blew up while I was gone. Life is good. The main page for the conference is http://www.oreillynet.com/oscon2001/ and sooner or later a bunch of the presentations are going to be on-line at ftp://ftp.oreilly.com/pub/conference/os2001/ (there's a bunch there already). Anyone feel like stretching their legs? I'll suggest either 1) west ridge of Green Mt from Flagstaff Rd. parking to summit (easiest summity anywhere around here: trail is about .5 mile with only a couple hundred feet elevation gain) 2) driving up to Lost Gulch overlook (way up Flagstaff Rd.) and watching the sun set over the Divide (no hiking required) Day/time can be flexible if you have a tight schedule this week. I don't know about wireless access from either location ;^) Walter From walter at frii.com Mon Aug 6 13:51:08 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:34 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarded "nonmember" submission from Evelyn Message-ID: >From walter@frii.com Mon Aug 6 12:25:07 2001 Received: from tummy.com (IDENT:qmailr@secure.tummy.com [216.17.150.2]) by gocho.pm.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f76HP7C22790 for ; Mon, 6 Aug 2001 12:25:07 -0500 Received: (qmail 29168 invoked by uid 10); 6 Aug 2001 17:22:52 -0000 Received: (qmail 6751 invoked by uid 500); 6 Aug 2001 17:24:14 -0000 Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 11:24:14 -0600 From: Evelyn Mitchell To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] hi Message-ID: <20010806112414.B6638@tummy.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from walter@frii.com on Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:07:49AM -0600 On Mon, Aug 06, 2001 at 11:07:49AM -0600, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Hi, perlfolk, > Anyone feel like stretching their legs? I'll suggest either > > 1) west ridge of Green Mt from Flagstaff Rd. parking to summit > (easiest summity anywhere around here: trail is about .5 mile > with only a couple hundred feet elevation gain) > > 2) driving up to Lost Gulch overlook (way up Flagstaff Rd.) and watching > the sun set over the Divide (no hiking required) > > Day/time can be flexible if you have a tight schedule this week. I'd be up for either of these :) efm From rise at knavery.net Mon Aug 6 13:56:29 2001 From: rise at knavery.net (rise) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:34 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarded "nonmember" submission from Evelyn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Evelyn Mitchell wrote: > > Hi, perlfolk, > > Anyone feel like stretching their legs? I'll suggest either > > > > 1) west ridge of Green Mt from Flagstaff Rd. parking to summit > > (easiest summity anywhere around here: trail is about .5 mile > > with only a couple hundred feet elevation gain) > > > > 2) driving up to Lost Gulch overlook (way up Flagstaff Rd.) and watching > > the sun set over the Divide (no hiking required) > > > > Day/time can be flexible if you have a tight schedule this week. > > I'd be up for either of these :) Same here, though I think I'd prefer the hike. If I remember right that one _is_ pretty easy. -- Jonathan Conway The thing about Unix is that all the hoops are rise@knavery.net flaming, so at least you know where they are... From walter at frii.com Tue Aug 7 09:32:57 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] hiking or sunset viewing In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > Evelyn Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi, perlfolk, > > > Anyone feel like stretching their legs? I'll suggest either > > > > > > 1) west ridge of Green Mt from Flagstaff Rd. parking to summit > > > (easiest summity anywhere around here: trail is about .5 mile > > > with only a couple hundred feet elevation gain) > > > > > > 2) driving up to Lost Gulch overlook (way up Flagstaff Rd.) and watching > > > the sun set over the Divide (no hiking required) > > > > > > Day/time can be flexible if you have a tight schedule this week. > > > > I'd be up for either of these :) > > Same here, though I think I'd prefer the hike. If I remember right that > one _is_ pretty easy. Well, then, how about Wednesday or Thursday? I'm thinking that since Evelyn is up in Fort Collins, she ought to have more say in when would be a good time. (As I recall, you and I are both free from 3:30 on.) What say you, Evelyn? Hiking or sunset viewing? When? Walter From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Tue Aug 7 09:38:18 2001 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] hiking or sunset viewing Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B30130AB7FC6D@bdr-xcln.corp.matchlogic.com> Mongers, If it turns out you go Wed afternoon/evening, my wife and I might be able to make it. We have a busy schedule this week (worse than usual) but I think Wed evening is still open. Please keep me posted. thx, jvs Jason Van Slyke, Production Support Engineer MatchLogic Inc (303) 222-7434 alpha pager: pagejvanslyk@matchlogic.com -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 8:33 AM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: [boulder.pm] hiking or sunset viewing On Mon, 6 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > Evelyn Mitchell wrote: > > > Hi, perlfolk, > > > Anyone feel like stretching their legs? I'll suggest either > > > > > > 1) west ridge of Green Mt from Flagstaff Rd. parking to summit > > > (easiest summity anywhere around here: trail is about .5 mile > > > with only a couple hundred feet elevation gain) > > > > > > 2) driving up to Lost Gulch overlook (way up Flagstaff Rd.) and watching > > > the sun set over the Divide (no hiking required) > > > > > > Day/time can be flexible if you have a tight schedule this week. > > > > I'd be up for either of these :) > > Same here, though I think I'd prefer the hike. If I remember right that > one _is_ pretty easy. Well, then, how about Wednesday or Thursday? I'm thinking that since Evelyn is up in Fort Collins, she ought to have more say in when would be a good time. (As I recall, you and I are both free from 3:30 on.) What say you, Evelyn? Hiking or sunset viewing? When? Walter From walter at frii.com Tue Aug 7 09:59:02 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evelyn Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:53:00 -0500 From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org To: boulder-pm-list-approval@pm.org Subject: BOUNCE boulder-pm-list@pm.org: Non-member submission from [Evelyn Mitchell ] >From walter@frii.com Tue Aug 7 09:52:59 2001 Received: from tummy.com (IDENT:qmailr@secure.tummy.com [216.17.150.2]) by gocho.pm.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id f77EqxC31130 for ; Tue, 7 Aug 2001 09:52:59 -0500 Received: (qmail 15749 invoked by uid 10); 7 Aug 2001 14:50:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 10404 invoked by uid 500); 7 Aug 2001 14:51:59 -0000 Date: Tue, 7 Aug 2001 08:51:59 -0600 From: Evelyn Mitchell To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] hiking or sunset viewing Message-ID: <20010807085159.A10391@tummy.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from walter@frii.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:32:57AM -0600 On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:32:57AM -0600, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > Same here, though I think I'd prefer the hike. If I remember right that > > one _is_ pretty easy. > > Well, then, how about Wednesday or Thursday? I'm thinking that since > Evelyn is up in Fort Collins, she ought to have more say in when would > be a good time. (As I recall, you and I are both free from 3:30 on.) > > What say you, Evelyn? Hiking or sunset viewing? When? Thanks Walter! Hiking on Wednesday. Tuesday and Thursday are busy for me. When shall we start? Evelyn From walter at frii.com Tue Aug 7 10:02:33 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evelyn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 08:32:57AM -0600, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > > Same here, though I think I'd prefer the hike. If I remember right that > > > one _is_ pretty easy. > > > > Well, then, how about Wednesday or Thursday? I'm thinking that since > > Evelyn is up in Fort Collins, she ought to have more say in when would > > be a good time. (As I recall, you and I are both free from 3:30 on.) > > > > What say you, Evelyn? Hiking or sunset viewing? When? > > Thanks Walter! > > Hiking on Wednesday. Tuesday and Thursday are busy for me. > When shall we start? > > Evelyn Friday is okay with me. But you still get to pick when. Can I get you to subscribe as efm@tummy.com, which is where you're sending your mail from? You're currently on as efm-boulderpm@tummy.com, and the majordomo software at the PM hosting site is set to bounce all nonmember submissions, and they've made it a nonchangeable parameter for the different lists. Walter From walter at frii.com Tue Aug 7 10:09:20 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evelyn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > Can I get you to subscribe as efm@tummy.com, which is where you're > sending your mail from? You're currently on as efm-boulderpm@tummy.com, > and the majordomo software at the PM hosting site is set to bounce > all nonmember submissions, and they've made it a nonchangeable > parameter for the different lists. Whoa. Belay that. I just checked again and they changed things. Let's see if it can work as I just reconfigured things. Walter From rise at knavery.net Tue Aug 7 13:08:25 2001 From: rise at knavery.net (rise) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evelyn In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Friday is okay with me. But you still get to pick when. Friday works okay for me, Wednesday would be better. Since that works for everyone who's expressed and opinion shall we try and set a time & meeting place? -- Jonathan Conway The thing about Unix is that all the hoops are rise@knavery.net flaming, so at least you know where they are... From walter at frii.com Tue Aug 7 13:37:23 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > > Friday is okay with me. But you still get to pick when. > > Friday works okay for me, Wednesday would be better. Since that works for > everyone who's expressed and opinion shall we try and set a time & meeting > place? Evelyn sez after 5:30 is good. We definitely want to carpool up the hill, so where to park, hmmm . . . Maybe some people use public transportation around town, hmmm . . . How about meeting at 5:30-5:45 in front of the Wild Oats in the strip mall at the corner of Baseline and Broadway? Anyone not there at 5:45, if they haven't RSVP'd, gets left. Walter From efm at tummy.com Tue Aug 7 13:51:32 2001 From: efm at tummy.com (Evelyn Mitchell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely In-Reply-To: ; from walter@frii.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 12:37:23PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010807125132.A1274@tummy.com> > How about meeting at 5:30-5:45 in front of the Wild Oats in the strip > mall at the corner of Baseline and Broadway? Anyone not there at 5:45, > if they haven't RSVP'd, gets left. Sounds great! efm From rise at knavery.net Tue Aug 7 13:57:18 2001 From: rise at knavery.net (rise) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Evelyn sez after 5:30 is good. We definitely want to carpool up the > hill, so where to park, hmmm . . . Maybe some people use public > transportation around town, hmmm . . . Definitly a consideration. Doing the Gregory Canyon hike & then Green Mountain would maybe be a little more than I was planning on. > How about meeting at 5:30-5:45 in front of the Wild Oats in the strip > mall at the corner of Baseline and Broadway? Anyone not there at 5:45, > if they haven't RSVP'd, gets left. Sounds good to me. Remember to bring raingear (or a least a shell) if you don't like getting rained on. Given recent weather we'll probably roast, but it might get damp. -- Jonathan Conway The thing about Unix is that all the hoops are rise@knavery.net flaming, so at least you know where they are... From george_umia1 at yahoo.com Tue Aug 7 21:58:50 2001 From: george_umia1 at yahoo.com (George Umia) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL Message-ID: <200108071908.f77J8QC00767@gocho.pm.org> URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL This letter may come to you as a surprise since it is coming from someone you have not met before. 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Please when replying to my e-mail kindly include your telephone, fax number and mobile telephone numbers preferably extremely private numbers where we can reach you any time of the day. Please be aware that a high level of confidentiality and trust is required in this business. You can reach me on my confidential telephone number 234 1 7754093 and my fax number 234 9 2720239. Best Regards, George Umia. Tel No.: 234 1 7754093 Fax No.:234 9 2720239 Email:drgeorgeumia@eudoramail.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From gfa at idiom.com Tue Aug 7 14:16:04 2001 From: gfa at idiom.com (Glenn Ashton) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL In-Reply-To: <200108071908.f77J8QC00767@gocho.pm.org> Message-ID: Warning- Spam rant Yes, a high level of confidentiality is almost always preserved by sending unencrypted email to people you don't even know... ;-) -Glenn Ashton From boulder-pm at jim-baker.com Tue Aug 7 14:27:25 2001 From: boulder-pm at jim-baker.com (Jim Baker) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL In-Reply-To: <200108071908.f77J8QC00767@gocho.pm.org> Message-ID: Generally the best answer to spam is... silence. Also, as I'm sure we're all aware, this is one of the more vigorously promoted fraudulent letters out there, having morphed readily from bulk mailings from Nigeria to now bulk emailing to our beloved Mongers' list. Yet if you feel like reading it, the email also carefully caters to the Aristotelian character of the incontinent (see the "D'Oh of the Simpsons" for more on this). And it's a bit more interesting than most spam because of the element of Nigerian organized crime is apparently quite involved. See for example, http://www.africaservice.com/fraud/419.html. - Jim -----Original Message----- From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of George Umia Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2001 10:59 PM Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL URGENT BUSINESS PROPOSAL This letter may come to you as a surprise since it is coming from someone you have not met before. However, we decided to contact you based on a satisfactory information we had about your business person as regard business information concerning your country and the safety of our funds in a steady economy such as that of your country compared to our country Nigeria Africa. I am a civil adviser currently working with the monitoring committee overseeing the winding up of the petroleum trust fund(PTF).Myself and my close and trusted colleagues need your assistance in the transfer of US$25 million into any reliable Account you may nominate overseas. This fund was generated from over-invoicing of contracts executed by the PTF under the administration of the past military government. These were discovered while we were reviewing the PTF accounts. From our discoveries, these contracts have been executed and the contractors in question were all paid. The difference of US$25,000,000 being the over-invoiced amount is the funds, we want your corporate entity to help us receive. What we want from you is a good and reliable company or personal Account into which we shall transfer this fund. Details should include the following: 1. Name of Bank 2. Address of Bank with Fax & Tel. 3. Account Number 4. Beneficiary/Signatory to Account (Account Name) Upon the Successful crediting of your account. The fund will be shared as follows: 1. 20% for you and your assistance 2. 75% for myself & my Colleagues 3. 5% for contingency expenses Please after your first reply through e-mail I will want us to continue further communication by fax and telephone for confidential purpose. We wish to assure you that your involvement should you decide to assist us, will be well protected, and also, this business, proposal is 100% risk free as we have put a whole lot into it. Thank you for your anticipated cooperation while we look forward to a mutually benefiting business relationship with you. Please when replying to my e-mail kindly include your telephone, fax number and mobile telephone numbers preferably extremely private numbers where we can reach you any time of the day. Please be aware that a high level of confidentiality and trust is required in this business. You can reach me on my confidential telephone number 234 1 7754093 and my fax number 234 9 2720239. Best Regards, George Umia. Tel No.: 234 1 7754093 Fax No.:234 9 2720239 Email:drgeorgeumia@eudoramail.com _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From walter at frii.com Tue Aug 7 14:55:22 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well, That didn't take long ;^( I try opening up the list to accept e-mail from anyone, not just list members, and wham. Should I shut it back down, or is this at the moment amusing and/or educational? Walter From efm at tummy.com Tue Aug 7 15:11:42 2001 From: efm at tummy.com (Evelyn Mitchell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL In-Reply-To: ; from walter@frii.com on Tue, Aug 07, 2001 at 01:55:22PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010807141142.B1481@tummy.com> Shut it back down, I've switched my address. efm > > Should I shut it back down, or is this at the moment > amusing and/or educational? > > Walter > From susansrussell at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 16:27:42 2001 From: susansrussell at hotmail.com (Susan Russell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL Message-ID: I agree the best answer is silence. ...but it would be pretty funny if someone spammed them back with a million random fake accounts from a million random fake emails! That would keep them busy trying to find if there are any real fools who sent them legit info... ----Original Message Follows---- Generally the best answer to spam is... silence... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From susansrussell at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 16:34:02 2001 From: susansrussell at hotmail.com (Susan Russell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL Message-ID: The US Treasury has info about this scam at http://www.treas.gov/usss/index.htm?alert419.htm&1 They say "If you have received a letter, but have not lost any monies to this scheme, please fax a copy of that letter to (202) 406-5031." Want to fax them Walter? (Oh the pain of being our leader!) Susan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From susansrussell at hotmail.com Tue Aug 7 16:41:45 2001 From: susansrussell at hotmail.com (Susan Russell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely Message-ID: So it's FRIDAY, right??? I think I can make it! Susan ----Original Message Follows---- On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > > Friday is okay with me. But you still get to pick when. > > Friday works okay for me, Wednesday would be better. Since that works for > everyone who's expressed and opinion shall we try and set a time & meeting > place? Evelyn sez after 5:30 is good. We definitely want to carpool up the hill, so where to park, hmmm . . . Maybe some people use public transportation around town, hmmm . . . How about meeting at 5:30-5:45 in front of the Wild Oats in the strip mall at the corner of Baseline and Broadway? Anyone not there at 5:45, if they haven't RSVP'd, gets left. Walter _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From walter at frii.com Tue Aug 7 17:23:04 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Susan Russell wrote: > The US Treasury has info about this scam at > http://www.treas.gov/usss/index.htm?alert419.htm&1 > They say "If you have received a letter, but have not lost any monies to > this scheme, please fax a copy of that letter to (202) 406-5031." Want to > fax them Walter? (Oh the pain of being our leader!) > Susan I don't own a fax machine, and I declined my employer's offer to buy one for me. (hee hee hee) Walter From rise at knavery.net Wed Aug 8 14:44:54 2001 From: rise at knavery.net (rise) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Susan Russell wrote: > > So it's FRIDAY, right??? I think I can make it! > Susan Sorry, my phrasing was a bit confused. I meant that everyone (including Jason) had said that Wednesday was fine, but that if Friday was better I could do that. Corrections? Jonathan > ----Original Message Follows---- > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > > > > Friday is okay with me. But you still get to pick when. > > > > Friday works okay for me, Wednesday would be better. Since that works > > for everyone who's expressed and opinion shall we try and set a time & > > meeting place? From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Wed Aug 8 14:53:10 2001 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B30130AB7FC97@bdr-xcln.corp.matchlogic.com> hi, it's Jason just had a server lock up an ODBC driver. better count me out today. maybe next time. jvs Jason Van Slyke, Production Support Engineer MatchLogic Inc (303) 222-7434 alpha pager: pagejvanslyk@matchlogic.com -----Original Message----- From: rise [mailto:rise@knavery.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 1:45 PM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Susan Russell wrote: > > So it's FRIDAY, right??? I think I can make it! > Susan Sorry, my phrasing was a bit confused. I meant that everyone (including Jason) had said that Wednesday was fine, but that if Friday was better I could do that. Corrections? Jonathan > ----Original Message Follows---- > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > > > > Friday is okay with me. But you still get to pick when. > > > > Friday works okay for me, Wednesday would be better. Since that works > > for everyone who's expressed and opinion shall we try and set a time & > > meeting place? From rise at knavery.net Wed Aug 8 15:08:42 2001 From: rise at knavery.net (rise) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely In-Reply-To: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B30130AB7FC97@bdr-xcln.corp.matchlogic.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Jason Van Slyke wrote: > hi, it's Jason > just had a server lock up an ODBC driver. > better count me out today. > maybe next time. > jvs Sorry to hear that. So, Wednesday or some other day? Evelyn? Walter? Susan? Bueller? Bueller? -- Jonathan Conway The thing about Unix is that all the hoops are rise@knavery.net flaming, so at least you know where they are... From walter at frii.com Wed Aug 8 17:02:41 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Jason Van Slyke wrote: > > > hi, it's Jason > > just had a server lock up an ODBC driver. > > better count me out today. > > maybe next time. > > jvs > > Sorry to hear that. > > So, Wednesday or some other day? > Evelyn? > Walter? > Susan? > Bueller? > Bueller? Waogh. Sorry. I've been out at a meeting. I think the plan is to meet at 5:30 -5:45 on Friday, at Wild Oats. That said, I'll also show up there today in case anyone else does. Plus, I could use the exercise. ;^) Walter From susansrussell at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 17:06:49 2001 From: susansrussell at hotmail.com (Susan Russell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] forwarding for Evely Message-ID: Oops, being the only person who misunderstood the original message, i'm not sure now! i just paged my husband to see if he can be home in time to look after the munchkins today and will let you know... susan ----Original Message Follows---- On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Jason Van Slyke wrote: > hi, it's Jason > just had a server lock up an ODBC driver. > better count me out today. > maybe next time. > jvs Sorry to hear that. So, Wednesday or some other day? Evelyn? Walter? Susan? Bueller? Bueller? -- Jonathan Conway The thing about Unix is that all the hoops are rise@knavery.net flaming, so at least you know where they are... _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From walter at frii.com Wed Aug 8 17:35:47 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] VENTURE CAPITAL In-Reply-To: <20010807141142.B1481@tummy.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Evelyn Mitchell wrote: > Shut it back down, I've switched my address. > > efm > > > > > Should I shut it back down, or is this at the moment > > amusing and/or educational? > > > > Walter Done. Walter From susansrussell at hotmail.com Wed Aug 8 17:39:31 2001 From: susansrussell at hotmail.com (Susan Russell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Wed?? Fri?? Message-ID: I will still be able to make it Friday (assuming Friday is still on?) But not today. Sorry! Susan _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp From walter at frii.com Wed Aug 8 17:55:51 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Wed?? Fri?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Aug 2001, Susan Russell wrote: > I will still be able to make it Friday (assuming Friday is still on?) But > not today. Sorry! > Susan Friday is still on. Walter From walter at frii.com Fri Aug 10 13:51:19 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] tonight's activity Message-ID: I can imagine, based on the cloud cover, that it may rain. I can also imagine that it might clear up entirely. I'm going off-line now for the afternoon, so here's the answer in advance: ;^) Yes, it's still on. Rain or shine, I'll be outside the Wild Oats at Baseline and Broadway at 5:30 tonight. Depending on the weather and peoples' inclinations, we can change our plans, if necessary, to just sitting and talking somewhere. Walter From efm at tummy.com Fri Aug 10 16:54:05 2001 From: efm at tummy.com (Evelyn Mitchell) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] tonight's activity In-Reply-To: ; from walter@frii.com on Fri, Aug 10, 2001 at 12:51:19PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20010810155405.B3039@tummy.com> Hi All, It's raining cats and dogs here in Fort Fun, so I think I'll take a pass on the trip to Boulder. I'll be at the next one. :) Evelyn From walter at frii.com Fri Aug 10 16:56:51 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] tonight's activity In-Reply-To: <20010810155405.B3039@tummy.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001, Evelyn Mitchell wrote: > Hi All, > > It's raining cats and dogs here in Fort Fun, so I think I'll > take a pass on the trip to Boulder. > > I'll be at the next one. :) > > Evelyn See you next time (I lied about being off-line. it seems). It's sunny here --- I'm on my way to the pool with my daughter. Walter From boulder-pm at jim-baker.com Fri Aug 10 22:54:28 2001 From: boulder-pm at jim-baker.com (Jim Baker) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Staff Scientist Position Message-ID: Fellow mongers, I'm looking to hire a person for a full-time position as Staff Scientist (or a similar title of your liking). The position is located in Boulder and reports to me. Candidate qualifications: a.. Excellent communication skills. You should be very comfortable with professional communications, including the authoring of status reports, design and architecture documents, white papers, and possibly journal articles. b.. Excellent understanding of the basic paradigms of computer science, especially including relational databases and AI (especially inference models). You should already have a good sense of what it takes to implement these paradigms (the mapping of SQL queries to a physical plan), or can rapidly assimilate (as when the paradigms are reasonably abstract/obscure, like Prolog/logic programming and WAM). c.. Mathematical maturity. You should be very comfortable with the abstract manipulation of numbers, as well as their visualization and statistics. d.. Perl. We prototype in Perl. Perl is also used on production side where it makes sense (it usually does, if not always - we're quite pragmatic). You should be familiar with DBI and other handy modules. Other useful languages to know: Prolog, C, Java. e.. Independence. You can take the work and run with it. f.. Experience with working with large volumes of data (data warehouse environments) is very useful, but less critical. Relationship to the rest of the company: I co-founded Empact Solutions, a NYC-based firm 2 years ago as founding CTO. Last month, Empact completed an institutional round of venture capital financing from MC Ventures, a Boston-based VC. This is a significant milestone, given the current state of the VC market. Now as Chief Scientist, my group is responsible for prototyping all key elements of our technology. Your role as Staff Scientist is a high visibility position! Briefly, but without really saying too much of anything, our company focuses on data analysis (shall we say analytics?) of certain data that exists in the relationships between companies ;). My group is also engaged in a long-term data mining project in collaboration with the Colorado School of Mines :) *** No solicitors, no recruiters, no spammers. *** But referrals to great candidates are very welcome. - Jim Jim Baker Chief Scientist Empact Solutions work: +1 720 565 8344 cell: +1 201 966 7917 jbaker@empactsolutions.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/boulder-pm/attachments/20010810/ebd83019/attachment.htm From walter at frii.com Wed Aug 15 15:09:24 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Mail::Audit Message-ID: I have this unhealthy dependence on procmail, which at times works wonders and at times can ba a major pain in the a*. So I'm fiddling around with Mail::Audit. It's simple, but seems promising. Maybe. Has anyone messed with this module? One feature that I depend on HEAVILY in procmail is the ability to rewrite header lines before delivery to my mailbox (mail sent to axkit-users@axkit.org get '[AX] ' prepended to the subject line, for example). Mail::Audit doesn't seem to suppy a straightforward way to do it. Anyone have any experience or thoughts on that? Walter From longmore at foresightwx.com Wed Aug 15 16:33:14 2001 From: longmore at foresightwx.com (Scott Longmore) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Staff Scientist Position References: Message-ID: <3B7AEA9A.4008FF4E@foresightwx.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: resume.080301.doc Type: application/msword Size: 14336 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/boulder-pm/attachments/20010815/42a8de38/resume.080301.doc -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Walter From longmore at foresightwx.com Wed Aug 15 17:24:22 2001 From: longmore at foresightwx.com (Scott Longmore) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Staff Scientist Position References: <3B7AEA9A.4008FF4E@foresightwx.com> Message-ID: <3B7AF696.FAF14E53@foresightwx.com> Dohhh!!!...sorry about that gang...sometimes the Reply key is toooo convienent. Cheers Scott -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~ Scott Longmore - Meteorologist/Programmer \\\\\\\\\\\\ | ~ ~ Foresight Weather, LLC \\\\\\\\\ - * - ~ ~ 3380 Mitchell Lane ~\__n__\ | ~ ~ Boulder, Colorado 80301 USA \\\\\\\ ~ ~ E-mail: longmore@foresightwx.com \MMMM\ ~ ~ URL: http://www.foresightwx.com/~longmore \\\\\ ~ ~ Phone: 303.415.9701 x236 Fax: 303.415.9702 \\\\Dust\Devil/~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ dont let your mind do all your walkn, boy youll stumble every time -sixteen horsepower- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From walter at frii.com Thu Aug 16 10:15:49 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, rise wrote: > On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > > Well, putting this in my program works: =8^0 > > > > sub Mail::Audit::delete_header { $_[0]->{obj}->head->delete($_[1],$_[2]); } > > > > and then I just do a put_header('Subject', $new_subject) > > Mail::Audit 1.11 has a replace_header method that should make that > slightly cleaner (and gain you a few strokes :). Thanks. My CPAN module output had been telling me I was up to date with Mail::Audit. I wasn't . . . Maybe it's time to update CPAN.pm ;^) I'm liking Mail::Audit so far, even if just for the familiar syntax (procmail users will nod here). One issue is that get($header) retrieves the entire string. So get('To') can return something like "'Wilbur Poot'" , which is one big string. This is a feature or a bug, depending on the current task. For example, I build hashes like my %taggable_To = ( # Any item here that appears in the To line # will have the key value added to the beginning # of the Subject line. 'misc@openbsd.org' => '[OBSD]', 'perl-qa@perl.org' => '[QA]', 'bugtraq@securityfocus.com' => '[BT]', ); my %bounceable_From = ( # Mail from any of the keys here will be bounced # to the sender as undeliverable. The value, if # present, will be returned as bounce text. 'bitch@hell.org' => 'I can't hear you! LA-LA-LA-LA-LA', 'Jane Doe' => '', ); But since $to can be that big string above, the programming can't be as simple as if (defined($taggable_To{$to})) { # tag it } On the other hand, it does make it easy to match on things like 'Jane Doe' in %bounceable_From. YMMV HTH OTOH RTFM Walter From walter at frii.com Thu Aug 16 10:24:28 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] good book In-Reply-To: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B30130AB7F839@bdr-xcln.corp.matchlogic.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 18 Jun 2001, Jason Van Slyke wrote: > Just got my hands on a copy of "Debugging Perl" by Martin Brown. Read over > 200 pages this weekend (I wasn't feeling well and was pretty much house > bound, sssoooo :| . Some 1st ed "bugs" in the book, but good form and > informative in my opinion. > > Has anyone gotten into the "Perl Debugged" book yet? > > jvs Hi, Jason, I have a copy, but haven't gotten to it yet. It sounds like nobody else has, either. I still owe a review for Meltzer's and Michalski's 'Writing CGI Applications with Perl'. I really like this book. It has clear examples of *good* code and covers a lot of material in a sane order and level of detail. This is the best book I've seen so far for learning CGI stuff. Highly recommended. The examples aren't contrived, but are examples of things you actually have to do in the real world. And they're nice people. (This wasn't the review; I'll actually finish that sometime and post it.) Walter From walter at frii.com Sun Aug 19 13:27:08 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] bounced e-mail from Rob Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:57:01 -0500 From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org To: boulder-pm-list-approval@pm.org Subject: BOUNCE boulder-pm-list@pm.org: Non-member submission from [Rob Mohr ] >From walter@frii.com Sat Aug 18 19:57:01 2001 Received: from earthnet.net (ns1.earthnet.net [199.45.146.15]) by gocho.pm.org (8.11.3/8.11.3) with ESMTP id f7J0utS32099 for ; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 19:57:00 -0500 Received: (from robmohr@localhost) by earthnet.net (8.10.1/8.10.1) id f7J0tua20643 for boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org; Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:55:56 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 18:55:56 -0600 (MDT) From: Rob Mohr Message-Id: <200108190055.f7J0tua20643@earthnet.net> Content-Type: text Hola! pm list, I have a slow moving project to self study on perl. I am now at the point to use perl for cgi purposes. The text is a bit unclear in that it tells me to put the html Hello World perl script into the proper ISP directory, change it to executable, and add a cgi "wrapper." The text then pointly states to contact the ISP admin for site specific directions. I contacted my ISP last Monday, Earthnet. All my sys op did was to create a directory under my /public_html of cgi-bin , then move my script into it with a .cgi file extension. He then said "done." Well, I get a 403 permission denied error. And on an unanswered follow up post, my sys op did not explain any thing regarding wrapper calls. What is the the proper file extension for cgi scripts? *.cgi? What is the proper permission? How do I run the cgi script? use a url file name convention? (book hinted this.) Please note, I did a google search on cgi wraps and received info to mark the file as executable, then http://isp.com/seo-bin/chmod (wait for user name-password prompt.) I tried this with my isp and got a no file found message. Thanks list guys-gals. Rob Mohr Boulder-Iowa City eof #!/usr/bin/perl -w print "Content-type text/html\n"; print "\n"; print "Hello WORLD!

\n"; print "It Works!\n; From walter at frii.com Sun Aug 19 13:55:45 2001 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:35 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] bounced e-mail from Rob In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > I contacted my ISP last Monday, Earthnet. All my sys op did was to create > a directory under my /public_html of cgi-bin , then move my script into > it with a .cgi file extension. He then said "done." Well, I get a 403 > permission denied error. And on an unanswered follow up post, my sys op > did not explain any thing regarding wrapper calls. > > What is the the proper file extension for cgi scripts? *.cgi? > What is the proper permission? > How do I run the cgi script? use a url file name convention? (book hinted > this.) > > Please note, I did a google search on cgi wraps and received info to mark > the file as executable, then http://isp.com/seo-bin/chmod (wait for user > name-password prompt.) I tried this with my isp and got a no file found > message. Hi, Rob, Helpful sysadmin, eh? There is no "correct" filename extension that denotes a file to be run as a CGI script rather than having its contents pushed out as straight text. That said, .cgi is fairly standard. The apache server, for example, cna be configured to either (1) treat everything in a particular directory, no matter what its filename extension, as a CGI program, or (2) treat anything with a particular filename extension, no matter where it's located, as a CGI program. You need to find and read your server's config files to figure out all the options you may have at your disposal, if the sysadmin is being unhelpful or clueless. Your problem sounds like one of file or directory permissions. The CGI file *and the path to it* must be readable by the username that the webserver is running under (typically a low-permissions account such as 'nobody'). So if your setup is something like ~robmohr/public_html/cgi-bin/hello_world.cgi but ~robmohr, public_html, or cgi-bin aren't world-readable, you'll get that 403 Forbidden message. In Unix lingo (I don't know the system or server software you're dealing with), those directories would need to be drwxr-xr-x and the script -rwxr-xr-x. How to run the CGI script. The obvious way to run it is via the browser and a URL. But if you're using Lincoln Steins CGI.pm module, it's also simple to run it from the command line. If you're depending on environment variables that get passed in with the request, this becomes more effort, and ultimately unworkable for all practical purposes as the script gets complicated, but it can be fun to play with when you're bored. Basically, I include that to be a pedant; I do all my developing via the browser. Make a change, save file, hit reload, look at the output (or ;^) at the window where I have a tail -f of the error_log going). It's pretty efficient. How to debug the CGI script. As you develop, you'll get a bunch of 500 Internal Server Error messages. All that means is that your script sent something unexpected (i.e., not valid HTTP stuff) to the server. You can: (1) Look in the server's error log for enlightenment, because that's where the meaningful output is, (2) Put use CGI::Carp qw(fatalsToBrowser); in your program. (Take it out when you're done debugging; otherwise sensitive info can get out to the world.) (3) If the admin is really an idiot, you may not have access to the error log. Oops. But since the webserver does (it writes to it, hey?), just write a CGI program that reads it! One last comment. If you're going to play with CGI, NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER write a real, for-public-access script without the -T switch to turn taint checking on. In fact, when I write one, it ALWAYS starts like so: #!/usr/bin/perl -wT use strict; CGI scripts on a public server basically have to handle arbitrary input (not just what you expect) from bored and/or malicious people worldwide, and the mechanisms behind -T will save you much grief. Have fun. There are a lot of genuinely cool and fun things to be done via CGI. Walter