From walter at frii.com Wed Nov 1 13:18:17 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:25 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day Message-ID: So this group of people I write stuff for ask me to build them a web interface where people can submit files and information to them electronically. Lots of back and forth. What they want is an e-mail with the field submissions nicely formatted and any file uploads as attachments. I roll it out this morning. They play with it: fill in the fields, attach a few files, hit submit. They get the e-mail with the field submissions nicely formatted and their uploaded files as attachments. I get an e-mail back: "What are we supposed to do with the attached file?" I'm too polite to say "I don't know and I don't care -- why did you ask for it in the first place?" I also think that snarling "Shove it up your ass" would be insensitive and un-PC. I choke out something bland. And yesterday? I write/support an application being used in the N.J. office. Electronic upgrade to a previously all-paper process. "HELP!!!" screams the e-mail subject line I receive. Seems this woman doesn't trust the electrons, so she's been printing out copies of everything. And this new subsystem outputs ASCII .txt files, so she's *opening, cutting, and pasting* hundreds of files into Word, and then hitting print -- ONE AT A TIME. I tell her there's an easier way to do this, if she really, really needs paper copies, and that the network admin there can show her how to print ASCII .txt files without having to cut and paste each one individually into a blank Word template file. On-site, trained, several-years-experience admin *can't get it figured out*. A nice program we finished 2 months ago under heavy deadline *still* hasn't been linked to anywhere on the site. I don't think I'm going to last much longer with this company. I feel the burnout coming. Walter From SMSRussell at aol.com Wed Nov 1 14:08:06 2000 From: SMSRussell at aol.com (SMSRussell@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:25 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day Message-ID: <4d.2dda46b.2731d226@aol.com> Walter, Well, your day makes me glad to be out of the working world for awhile. Maybe you should send your material to Scott Adams--it would make a couple of good Dilbert strips! Here's hoping things will look up for you. Susan From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Wed Nov 1 14:26:15 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:25 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B301303D53406@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> Same kind of stories here. Marketing Acct Director issues a reporting-project request in mid-August. On 8/29 I deliver a prototype report. In early October, her boss rakes me over in project prioritization meeting for doing nothing (while she if off on vacation spraining her ankle and getting 5 days of medical on top of the vacation; I was unaware that setting on ones ass chatting on the phone taxed the ankle, but...). 10/6 I rebuild the prototype and reissue it because she has no idea a prototype was ever sent to her. Then she tells me this isn't a priority project and I should not be spending my precious time on this one. Yesterday, in the prioritization meeting, she has this project as #1 priority but still hasn't done anything with the prototype I sent (twice) because the project coordinator (who's last day at this company was 10/27) had mistakenly attached the comments from another project to this now #1 project and those comments indicated a database issue was open. She wants to know when is this ever going to get done?!!! ... I too choked our something bland. Would you like a job here? Management by chaos and confusion guaranteed. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 12:18 PM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day So this group of people I write stuff for ask me to build them a web interface where people can submit files and information to them electronically. Lots of back and forth. What they want is an e-mail with the field submissions nicely formatted and any file uploads as attachments. I roll it out this morning. They play with it: fill in the fields, attach a few files, hit submit. They get the e-mail with the field submissions nicely formatted and their uploaded files as attachments. I get an e-mail back: "What are we supposed to do with the attached file?" I'm too polite to say "I don't know and I don't care -- why did you ask for it in the first place?" I also think that snarling "Shove it up your ass" would be insensitive and un-PC. I choke out something bland. And yesterday? I write/support an application being used in the N.J. office. Electronic upgrade to a previously all-paper process. "HELP!!!" screams the e-mail subject line I receive. Seems this woman doesn't trust the electrons, so she's been printing out copies of everything. And this new subsystem outputs ASCII .txt files, so she's *opening, cutting, and pasting* hundreds of files into Word, and then hitting print -- ONE AT A TIME. I tell her there's an easier way to do this, if she really, really needs paper copies, and that the network admin there can show her how to print ASCII .txt files without having to cut and paste each one individually into a blank Word template file. On-site, trained, several-years-experience admin *can't get it figured out*. A nice program we finished 2 months ago under heavy deadline *still* hasn't been linked to anywhere on the site. I don't think I'm going to last much longer with this company. I feel the burnout coming. Walter From rise at ipopros.com Wed Nov 1 15:44:01 2000 From: rise at ipopros.com (rise) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:25 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote: > I get an e-mail back: "What are we supposed to do with the attached > file?" I'm too polite to say "I don't know and I don't care -- why > did you ask for it in the first place?" I also think that snarling > "Shove it up your ass" would be insensitive and un-PC. I choke out > something bland. Urgh. It's people like this that disprove the all too frequent claim that good requirements are all you need. Might I suggest perl -MCPAN -e "install Psychic::Reqs" use Psychic::Reqs qw(:compensate_for_idiots); for all future projects involving these people? [snip] > this, if she really, really needs paper copies, and that the network > admin there can show her how to print ASCII .txt files without having to > cut and paste each one individually into a blank Word template file. > > On-site, trained, several-years-experience admin *can't get it > figured out*. It really should be possible to get someone fired for demonstrated incompetence, but somehow in American business it never seems to happen. We're still dealing with the person at our parent company who thinks quote system that produces XML with embedded control characters isn't a problem because he "can't see them in IE" and the woman who forgot to pay our phones and T1 for 6 months. > A nice program we finished 2 months ago under heavy deadline *still* > hasn't been linked to anywhere on the site. Clearly you need to propose a team building exercise: hiking the Beartooth Highway in November! Whoever makes it back alive is still on your team. The rest can be considered 'attrition' and their budgets reallocated. > I don't think I'm going to last much longer with this company. > I feel the burnout coming. I hate to say it, but leaving may be the best thing to do at this point. Moving out here and telecommuting staved it off, but it sounds like you're still caught in the mire of other people's ineffectiveness. On a more positive (cathartic?) note, re our snowshoeing discussion here are some prices: Crystal Ski Shop 3216 Arapahoe Avenue Boulder, CO 80303-1043 (303) 449-7669 $10/day, + $8 per additional day, may go up later in the season The Boulder Mountaineer 1335 Broadway Boulder, CO 80302-6201 (303) 442-8355 $10/day, $15/3 days, + $5 per additional day Is anyone up for a Boulder.pm (and other riffraff) snowshoe day after the next snowfall? Jonathan Conway Senior DBA ipoPros.com/TheStreet.com From zilla at ns1.uscreativetypes.com Wed Nov 1 15:33:53 2000 From: zilla at ns1.uscreativetypes.com (zillameister the digital warrior) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:25 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] LDAP work Message-ID: Hi, I've been lirking this list for a few weeks. There's not alot of trafic so I guess this is appropriate. Does anyone have any good LDAP "connectors" or perls that can convert data (CSV or otherwise) to LDIF? I have been working with it for a while and would like to compare notes. That's it - From walter at frii.com Wed Nov 1 16:30:43 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:25 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > On a more positive (cathartic?) note, re our snowshoeing discussion here > are some prices: > > Crystal Ski Shop > 3216 Arapahoe Avenue > Boulder, CO 80303-1043 > (303) 449-7669 > > $10/day, + $8 per additional day, may go up later in the season > > The Boulder Mountaineer > 1335 Broadway > Boulder, CO 80302-6201 > (303) 442-8355 > > $10/day, $15/3 days, + $5 per additional day > > Is anyone up for a Boulder.pm (and other riffraff) snowshoe day after the > next snowfall? Absolutely. I'm in. You just holler when. As for my crummy days (the main office is on a real rip here), and your comments, I'm putting them aside for a day or so. I don't take many sick days, but tomorrow is definitely going to be a "sick of work" day. Call it preventive medicine. Walter From walter at frii.com Wed Nov 1 16:37:40 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:25 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] list trivia Message-ID: The pm.org folks have locked down all the lists so that only mail coming from a subscriber's e-mail address is accepted; all the rest gets bounced. Some legit traffic is bouncing. Do you want me to change the config so that feature is disabled? Walter From rise at ipopros.com Wed Nov 1 16:54:03 2000 From: rise at ipopros.com (rise) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] list trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > The pm.org folks have locked down all the lists so that only mail > coming from a subscriber's e-mail address is accepted; all the rest > gets bounced. > > Some legit traffic is bouncing. > > Do you want me to change the config so that feature is disabled? My vote would be to disable it unless we start getting spammed. Any idea if that was the proximate cause of the change? Jonathan Conway Senior DBA ipoPros.com/TheStreet.com From walter at frii.com Wed Nov 1 16:58:35 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] list trivia In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, rise wrote: > > The pm.org folks have locked down all the lists so that only mail > > coming from a subscriber's e-mail address is accepted; all the rest > > gets bounced. > > > > Some legit traffic is bouncing. > > > > Do you want me to change the config so that feature is disabled? > > My vote would be to disable it unless we start getting spammed. Any idea > if that was the proximate cause of the change? That was the reason given, though I don't recall any abuse of this list. I'm inclined to open it up, and then, if we get hammered, shut it down and reconsider. But that's a personal opinion and not a group consensus. Walter From petek at bsod.net Wed Nov 1 16:54:59 2000 From: petek at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2000 12:18:17 -0700 (MST) From: Walter Pienciak Subject: [boulder.pm] My Lovely Day }I don't think I'm going to last much longer with this company. }I feel the burnout coming. The company I work for has a few openings doing Perl development, if you're interested... -Pete K -- Pete Krawczyk petek at bsod dot net or pkrawczy at uiuc dot edu http://www.uiuc.edu/ph/www/pkrawczy/ Finger pkrawczy at uiuc dot edu for PGP public key From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Wed Nov 1 17:33:17 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] list trivia Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B301303D5340E@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> I'm with you two. I've listened to this list for months. The traffic is minimal 95% of the time. But I remember that someone sent out a job hunter on the list several months ago and one of the members went nuclear over the whole thing. I've never found clicking the delete key that much trouble... Jason -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2000 3:59 PM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] list trivia On Wed, 1 Nov 2000, rise wrote: > > The pm.org folks have locked down all the lists so that only mail > > coming from a subscriber's e-mail address is accepted; all the rest > > gets bounced. > > > > Some legit traffic is bouncing. > > > > Do you want me to change the config so that feature is disabled? > > My vote would be to disable it unless we start getting spammed. Any idea > if that was the proximate cause of the change? That was the reason given, though I don't recall any abuse of this list. I'm inclined to open it up, and then, if we get hammered, shut it down and reconsider. But that's a personal opinion and not a group consensus. Walter From rise at frii.com Tue Nov 7 18:29:43 2000 From: rise at frii.com (Jonathan Conway) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book Message-ID: So it looks like we've got some snow in the mountains, anyone up for a Boulder.pm & assorted riffraf (TCLers included ;) snowshoe? One day rental is going to run around $10 though we could conceivably swing a group discount since we're some kind of semi-official organization. Saturday and Sunday both work for me. If no-one has any other suggestions Brainard Lake / Sourdough Trail is usually pretty nice once you get beyond the hordes near the parking areas. -- Jonathan Conway Senior DBA ipoPros.com/TheStreet.com From walter at frii.com Wed Nov 8 10:50:22 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Nov 2000, Jonathan Conway wrote: > So it looks like we've got some snow in the mountains, anyone up for a > Boulder.pm & assorted riffraf (TCLers included ;) snowshoe? One day rental > is going to run around $10 though we could conceivably swing a group > discount since we're some kind of semi-official organization. Saturday and > Sunday both work for me. If no-one has any other suggestions Brainard Lake > / Sourdough Trail is usually pretty nice once you get beyond the hordes > near the parking areas. This weekend, Sunday works better for me. Brainard/Sourdough sounds good. But do tell us about that "awful Perl book" . . . Walter From rise at frii.com Wed Nov 8 12:12:48 2000 From: rise at frii.com (Jonathan Conway) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote: > This weekend, Sunday works better for me. Brainard/Sourdough sounds good. Ok. Do you want to meet at the snowshoe rental place? BTW, if anyone decides they want to go at the last minute my cell number is 303-664-1639 and I don't lose all signal until around Ward. > But do tell us about that "awful Perl book" . . . That was the ObPerlReference that I then forgot to write... "Debugging Perl - Troubleshooting for Programmers" Martin Brown McGraw Hill Publishing [pad] 0-07-212676-0 Sample chapters are available at: http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk/computing/pdfsample.jhtml "Debugging Perl shows you, step-by-step, how to fix buggy code and prevent errors from ever slipping into your programs. All the details you need to know are here--from avoiding syntax, logic, and variable problems as you program to troubleshooting with the Perl debugger, profiler, and compiler. Plus, you'll get design tips,..." Fine in concept - an in depth guide to writing less buggy perl and tracing and fixing the ones that have slipped in - but it fails in execution. There's some pretty decent material, but it's submerged in a mass of typographical errors and misstatements that a halfway decent editor could have caught and one familiar with perl couldn't have overlooked. At one point the construct "$hash{key}" is referred to as a key. Anyone reasonably familiar with perl would know what was intended, but given that it's in a section on basics that's aimed rather squarely at someone new to the language it's a little less forgivable. In other places mistakes like "$hash{[0]" (from memory, but a close approximation) appear in discussions of references. My second problem with the book is that the organization is decidely iffy. The second chapter is a nice little discussion of perl's internals and the functioning of the lexer/parser that belongs somewhere near the midpoint or the end, not as the first technical material the reader hits. It's relevant and does help frame some of the concepts (though once again with notable errors), but I really don't think it needs to come before coverage of references and operators. Part of this is the book's split personality: it's simultaneously trying to be a ground up introduction to both good perl style and debugging and a technical guide to the same for experienced programmers and it never quite manages to paper over the split. Good points: coverage of the debugger, profiling, and basic debugging techniques. Bad points: riddled with minor (and occasionally major) errors, bad organization, statements that make one doubt the author's basic competency* Jonathan Conway Senior DBA ipoPros.com/TheStreet.com * "Most modern editors will match parentheses and help you indent your code to make it more readable. Emacs, probably the most popular programmer's editor, does this automatically and almost enforces the option for scripts that it identifies as Perl based[1]. More advanced editors[2], such as BBEdit (for Mac), EditPlus (for Windows), and the modified xemacs (for Unix), can also color[3] the code according the individual elements. " [1] Apparently Mr. Brown had some trouble with the fact that emacs by default starts perl-mode for certain extensions, a basic customization that's rather trivial to extend, disable, or adjust after skimming the info pages. [2] I must admit I've never heard the complaint that emacs isn't advanced enough. Overgrown, stupifyingly complex, arcane, and near-AI levels of counter-intuitive interface I've heard, but never insufficiently advanced. When was the last time _you_ saw an editor with dynamic in-buffer tab completion based on the contents of other buffers (my current favorite gee-whiz feature). [3] Apparently Mr. Brown doesn't read FAQs or the manual or the info pages or use apropos or check deja or flip through any of the printed books. I haven't been able to locate the introduction of font-lock-mode (the current method of syntax hilighting) but it was significantly revised in 1997 and was a mature feature at that point. As far as I can tell it's had the feature since before there was an EditPlus. From walter at frii.com Wed Nov 8 13:08:01 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Jonathan Conway wrote: > On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote: > > > This weekend, Sunday works better for me. Brainard/Sourdough sounds good. > > Ok. Do you want to meet at the snowshoe rental place? > BTW, if anyone decides they want to go at the last minute my cell number > is 303-664-1639 and I don't lose all signal until around Ward. Yup. Just let me know when and where. > > But do tell us about that "awful Perl book" . . . > > That was the ObPerlReference that I then forgot to write... > [why the book sucks snipped] Ouch. > > &emacs_rules; > Well . . . I'm a vi guy, and think *that's* pretty advanced. My "other" editor is "cat >filename". (I do play with xemacs when I'm in a GUI mood, but not enough to remember any of the Meta-Ctrl-Alt bells-and-whistles keystroke chords.) Walter From rise at frii.com Wed Nov 8 14:01:13 2000 From: rise at frii.com (Jonathan Conway) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote: > [why the book sucks snipped] > > Ouch. The most painful thing is that it could have been (and maybe still can be) a decent book. Like so many books on Perl it fails on the little things. > > > > &emacs_rules; > > I like emacs, but I'm certainly not convinced it rules. I just got sucked in and then discovered that switching to anything else is painful. Kind of like crack. My main point was that significant verbiage throughout the book is devoted to the author's credentials as a Real Programmer(tm) but he can't figure out how to turn on a basic feature in emacs. Now if he'd kept himself to 'advanced editors can colorize your code' he'd have been fine, but instead he puts down emacs for his own inability. I'll admit that it's not a sign of incompetence per se, but you'd think that after mentioning that emacs is incredibly popular he'd stop to wonder if maybe someone _had_ added the feature. Another knock against the editors comment is that he doesn't even mention vi (which in quite a few surveys is more popular than emacs) and which has several versions with syntax coloring. I think he'd have been better off just saying 'Og think color and indentation good'. > Well . . . I'm a vi guy, and think *that's* pretty advanced. vi is reasonably advanced, most of it just doesn't show on the surface. ed on the other hand... > My "other" editor is "cat >filename". Have you tried the perl debugger? It's a little slow typing all those print & seek statements, but it's certainly... different. > (I do play with xemacs when I'm in a GUI mood, but not enough to > remember any of the Meta-Ctrl-Alt bells-and-whistles keystroke > chords.) It's odd given that they're theoretically very similar, but I find Xemacs much harder to learn key-bindings for. I even started with it but switched to GNU Emacs after a couple of days. I'm still picking up new stuff, but that's one of the things I like about it. I think the biggest reason that I prefer it to vi is that chords are easier for me to get into muscle memory than sequences. The bells and whistles are largely irrelavant until I suddenly discover I miss the lack of one in another editor. Jonathan From hank.turowski at firstworld.net Wed Nov 8 14:07:35 2000 From: hank.turowski at firstworld.net (Hank Turowski) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4.3.2.20001108130436.01eb9f08@pop.firstworld.net> At 11:12 11/8/2000 -0700, you wrote: >Sample chapters are available at: >http://www.alphabetstreet.infront.co.uk/computing/pdfsample.jhtml This is great! Heres a line right out of the page you reference: Sample chapters in FDF format at alphabetstreet FDF Format? Looks like they need an editor to look at their web site too. Hank Turowski From rise at frii.com Wed Nov 8 14:58:42 2000 From: rise at frii.com (Jonathan Conway) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book In-Reply-To: <4.3.2.20001108130436.01eb9f08@pop.firstworld.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Hank Turowski wrote: > This is great! Heres a line right out of the page you reference: > Sample chapters in FDF format at alphabetstreet > > FDF Format? Looks like they need an editor to look at their web site too. Maybe Adobe renamed it 'Finicky Document Format' in honor of all the annoyance Walter was having a few months ago? Jonathan From kmoore at trustamerica.com Wed Nov 8 15:17:51 2000 From: kmoore at trustamerica.com (Kyle Moore) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book References: Message-ID: <3A09C2FF.C211E4EE@trustamerica.com> Actually, Adobe does have a FDF format. It stands for Forms Data Format and is used when submitting form data to a server, receiving the response and incorporating it into the form. I have personal experience in how much the FDF toolkit sucks. I ended up writing the stuff myself rather than using the toolkit. Jonathan Conway wrote: > > > FDF Format? Looks like they need an editor to look at their web site too. > > Maybe Adobe renamed it 'Finicky Document Format' in honor of all the > annoyance Walter was having a few months ago? > > Jonathan -- ---- Kyle Moore UNIX Systems Administrator ---------------------------------------------------- Trust Company of America / Gemisys 7103 South Revere Parkway Englewood, CO 80112 ---------------------------------------------------- Email: kmoore@trustamerica.com Voice: 303-705-6212 Pager: 303-656-1131 Fax: 303-705-6171 Web Site: http://www.trustamerica.com ---------------------------------------------------- From rise at frii.com Wed Nov 8 16:17:21 2000 From: rise at frii.com (Jonathan Conway) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Snowshoe outing/awful Perl book In-Reply-To: <3A09C2FF.C211E4EE@trustamerica.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 8 Nov 2000, Kyle Moore wrote: > Actually, Adobe does have a FDF format. It stands for Forms Data Format > and is used when submitting form data to a server, receiving the > response and incorporating it into the form. I have personal experience > in how much the FDF toolkit sucks. I ended up writing the stuff myself > rather than using the toolkit. That information was actually buried somewhere in the back of my head. Amusing tidbit: when I hit Adobe's search page it couldn't find anything about it, so I searched for Acrobat too. Nada. Methinks their search capability could use some work. Having looked at some of the supporting docs I can say better you than me quite wholeheartedly. Is Adobe capable of creating a lean product these days? Jonathan From walter at frii.com Thu Nov 9 14:48:44 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] CSV, LDIF, majordomo, etc. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 9 Nov 2000, zillatron the digital warrior wrote: > > Hello - I have been lirking this list for a while. There not much > > traffic. Anyhow, I have been working with LDAP (Iplanet directory server) > > for about a year now and was looking for anyone who has good examples of > > "connector" programs or LDIF converters. Something that would take > > data (CVS or otherwise) and convert it to LDIF format. I have worked > > written some using PerLDAP - if anyone is interested, I would like to > > compare note. > > > > Thanks > > > > Flint Adkins > > Navidec Systems Engineer [This post originally bounced as part of that tight nonmember nonposting policy set up by pm.org. So I'm replying to the list so y'all can see it. Also, unless I hear a loud outcry, I'm going to open up the posting policy to avoid this kind of thing. If we start getting spam, we can revisit the decision.] Yeah, We have a large proportion of determined lurkers on this list. I haven't had to work with this stuff myself, but I did do some poking around when you posted your question. As I recall, there was a not-very- informative Usenet thread or two retrievable via deja.com; and search.cpan.org turned up a few items regarding CSV and LDIF. A more obscure site I sometimes find stuff at is developer.netscape.com (I know Netscape always favored LDAP for enterprise stuff.) Poking around I see a pile of LDAP resources at http://developer.netscape.com/tech/directory/index.html It sounds like you're probably as far ahead at this as anyone. Good luck. Walter Walter From walter at frii.com Mon Nov 13 13:45:58 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Adventures in Meatspace Message-ID: Jon, Suzie, and I went snowshoeing up at Brainard yesterday. The trailhead had plenty of cars parked when we got there (we'd agreed on a lazy 11 AM start), but we didn't really see many people all day. All in all, it was a great day, and I got home before dark. I also don't seem to be sore anywhere. Jon had some pretty fine gouda cheese. We yabbered about a bunch of things, and Jon brought up the Inline module (http://search.cpan.org/doc/INGY/Inline-0.26/lib/Inline.pod), which allows the use of other languages inside Perl programs. I couldn't really discuss it, as I've never used it. Anyone have comments on this? Walter From walter at frii.com Tue Nov 28 14:19:23 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:26 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] New Orleans next week Message-ID: Is anyone going down to the USENIX LISA conference next week? A couple people on the co-sage list will be there, but how about anyone else here? Walter p.s. -- majordomo admin requests for the list will be disgracefully ignored next week.